Reinforcement of Veteran advice, observances and personal thoughts:

I will start my trip report off with personal observations and information I learned along the way, including reconfirmation of Veteran monger advice from this website and any personal advice I feel is necessary. Remember, these are mostly my thoughts and any replies that are meant to help are always welcome. This will also be done in bullet form to keep things simple, short, and to the point.

*Angeles is an adult male Disney world. Any fantasy you can think of can be achieved there if you find the correct "path" to get there.

·Threesomes or more-somes can be had but as a member mentioned before it is all in the approach. I however, would advise Newbies on their Cherry trip to concentrate on one-on-one encounters. It may take a few days to get a feel for the place. Once you do you will be better prepared to concentrate on what you want.

*Whoever said love cannot be found there was wrong. As stated before, you can find what you want if you dig hard enough. I was looking for little drama, a little romance, a vaguely potential mate, and a lot of fun. I got all of it but ended up with quite a bit more than what I thought I could handle. The romance and drama I got in spades but more on that later.

*The traffic in Manila and Angeles is horrendous. Its like they took the traffic laws and tossed them out the window. Road markings and traffic signs are worthless to the natives. Tailgating is a must. They only driver courtesy they show is “just don’t hit me!” . It seems the only law they do obey is the stoplight. But at the same time you can get on the expressway and the traffic is very light. Go figure.

*If you are standing in a line for something be sure that you practically hug the ass of the person in front of you. The locals will cut in front of you if you do not move up quickly when the line moves especially, since you’re a foreigner.

*Someone on this site asked a question about the white powder make-up the chicks in Angeles like to wear. I started to wonder why they would wear it myself. To answer that question a BF and I were watching TV one day and we stumbled upon a commercial about a skin whitening cream. I asked her why the heck would you want to whiten your skin here. She replied, “ At lot of Filipino men and white men like white women”. Huh?! But isn’t one of the reasons why we come here is for something different? Well I told her don’t change a thing because you are beautiful as you are. She said she won’t because she likes how looks. I then showed her how much I liked how she looked. ;)

*The girls here seem to be drawn to men ( my opinion) with added spice/ variety/ flair. It is a great conversation starter for them and a nice break from the normal routine of silly questions and dance acts. Here is an example of what I did: Chicks from my high school days always wanted to listen to my music when I had a walkman (yes I know what it is). Since videoke is big here I brought some of my big headphones and an mp3 player with me. I also brought chocolate wafer straws with me to make it seem as though I was smoking a big stooge cigar as I walked the streets. I slapped on the big headphones, cut on the music and a stuck a wafer straw in my mouth. To them it seemed as though I was in my own little world when I walked down the street, doing my own special thing. They viewed it as a change from what their were used to and will not believe how many chics stopped me for a bite of my straw (which always ended in a full-on kiss) and to listen to my headphones. That trick netted me lot of extra attention and they fought hard to get mine.

*Cherry boys be aware that the girls can smell you a mile a way. They will notice you do not have the same look experienced mongers exhibit. Experienced mongers won’t bat an eye at every bar they walk by even when the girls call out to them. They know exactly where they want to go. I am very polite but could never make it to my intended destination because I would look at them and speak. Next thing you know I am in their bar. Then they will play on your generosity (if you have any that is) by trying to get you to do things you don’t want to do like buying them and their buddies drinks. They will make it especially hard for you to leave their bar and will put up an even greater fight if they really are attracted to you. Perimeter road and Santos st. bars are super aggressive. Do your best to stay focused on your goal for that night. You have been warned.

*Angeles city withdrawal ( the yearning for your next Angeles trip) symptoms are really Cherry boys. It is a sucky feeling to leave paradise. Be prepared.

*Someone on this site mentioned treating bar hopping like a real date. Smelling good with good preparation have a tremendous effect. I practically had to beat the girls off of me.
As all the Veteran mongers here have mentioned, begging is still a problem there. Stop to look and say a word to a beggar and you may be attacked by an onslaught of them, especially kids. My friend ShyRay99 taught me to duck in a bar or quick say no with out looking and keep moving. By the third day I was brushing them off like a pro. I still had a stubborn little kid though that would appear out of the blue like Freddie Krueger. “ CJ don’t forget your promise to me! You promised me CJ! You buy now CJ!” UUUUUGH! She was the most annoying little #@$%^ I ever met there.

*It is still true that you should negotiate the price before you get in a Trike. I did this the entire time and never had a problem out them. I even got them to give me change when asked.
There are still cops with guns at the MacArthur ATM so you are safe during the day there.
For your cherry trip try to get at least two weeks worth of vacation time when you go. I started to get into the swing of things by the 3rd day and wished I had more than just a week. YMMV.

*Do not, I repeat, Do not, make good love to these girls unless you are looking for a girlfriend, especially early on. They will file you in the love category when you do this making butter-flying very hard. I got in some pretty stick situations and had to think quick to get out of them. More on that later. Be very careful. FFF

*These girls have do have hearts contrary to what has been said, if you dig deep enough. Some do some don’t. The default idea ( I believe) has been that they don’t. The younger and prettier they are the more this appears to be true. Remember, it is not as easy for women to separate love from sex. But then again it may depend on your approach to them. Treat them like gold and you may find treasure. Treat them like crap and you may find a lump of coal in your stocking.

*Be aware that that there is an Airport terminal fee when leaving the Philippines. Currently it is 750 pesos total or you can pay $17.10 U.S. Have this on hand before you leave.
I will take an extra moment to explain the emotions I observed in the girls of Angeles City. I found the emotions to be varied there just like anyplace in the U.S. Contrary to what is commonly thought (I believe) these girls feelings can get hurt. I found this to be especially true of girls that find you very attractive, that do not get a lot of attention for various reasons, or girls that many men may find fat or ugly. Yes, for some of the girls the jealousy and pouting is an act but it fairly easy to figure them out. But for others it is not. Lets think about this a moment. How would you feel if you were in a line-up of lets say 10 men, on stage for display, in front of 200 women. Now lets say that the men are to be chosen as mates for re-population of the earth ( silly I know. Just play along). With 200 women to choose from 10 men the odds would be good for getting laid, right? Now imagine you see 5 women you really want to do in the crowd. How would you feel if all 5 of them pick someone else. Better yet, how would you feel if none of the girls (out of 200) picked you. Now imagine this situation happening on daily basis with a different crowd of women. Do you see my point? Some of you would not give a flying fig if no one picked you because your self-esteem is astronomical. But I now there are others like me that would take a hit to the heart department. I will say this again, many women have an even harder time separating there emotions from sex than we do.

*Someone here mentioned letting the girls pick you instead of you picking them. I wholeheartedly agree with this. The sex is just better when the girl wants you bad. You can chose the ones that don’t necessarily approach you but YMMV. I picked the prettiest girl in one of bars since she looked at me and turned red when I looked at her. I called her over and found that she was very shy about approaching men since most of them approach her. She turned out to be the best lay I had there. Definitely more on her later. The rest either came back for free, did it in the beginning for free, or begged for more time with me, but they all locked on to me at first sight. A few girls I approached myself for a bar fine turned out to be stupid bitches that where a waste of a ladies drink. They did not pay enough attention to me at first or they showed no interest in having me bar fine them. A chick must put up some kind of effort to prove to me she is worthy of a Bar Fine. If a chick wanted me, she would quickly express this desire. Bottom line: If the girl wants you she will she will let you know through shy, direct or indirect ( like grabbing your hair while you are not looking) means. Keep what I mentioned in mind and look for the signs.

*More quick notes on the girls:

- 90% of the bar girls there have children. The chicks I met that did not, felt they were too ugly, way too sexy or FOB.

- of the girls the girls that did have children all of them worked in the bar to take care of them because they had no help.

- 95 % of the bar girls I meet only worked there because they needed the money. None of these actually wanted to work there.

- 100% of the Bar girls had no clear idea of where their life would be in 5 years nor were they sure on how to get out of the bar life.

- The most common routine questions for me were “ where you from?” and “what is your name?”

- 80% of the girls I met love videoke.

- Only 2 of the girls I met truly loved to dance.

· Not all the girls are dumb as a box of rocks. Some of them are very observant, articulate and have their on original thoughts and opinions.

· If you plan to do quite a bit of “butterflying” be sure to avoid carrying any distinguishing marks on you. Now, I know I mentioned earlier how the girls loved added flair in men but couple this with deep passionate sex and it could lead to disaster. Example: I have my nickname tattooed on my neck and my favorite action cartoon on my right bicep. It wasn’t long before even vendors where calling my name from across the street.

· This country is very “Americanized”. They stay current on a lot of our music, movies and celebrities. McDonalds is here and even has freakin’ delivery service! Caterpillar, KFC, Pizza Hut are there also. The new malls are just as modern as anything here. Hip-hop fashion is here. I even found articles in the newspaper on the political battle between Obama and Clinton. They state U.S. exchange rates first on about everything and a lot of the girls dress just like any girl in Europe or the U.S. I hope I do not offend anyone when I say this but…. I now see why the U.S. fights so hard to maintain its image throughout the world. Not just for oil or “protection of self interest”. We wield quite a bit of influence in other countries. I now know why many selfish people are willing to the risk lives of others in order to protect our level of influence in the world. It does not mean I think everything we do is right but I understand better the motive behind some of it now. Remember, this is just my opinion. Please no evil or hateful comments. I am too depressed about leaving Angeles to defend my self. ;)

· I did not see one American car there, however.


· Not all the prices in the Philippines are low by American standards. I went to SM to by souvenirs and found some Nintendo Wiis ,which are scarce here. I was going to buy one for PHP 23,000 but, after proper conversion I found that it cost more than it did here! The price of comparable electronics and jewelry was either equivalent to or higher than the U.S. price. I also noticed payment plans for stuff that cost more than a couple hundred bucks. Food by far is cheaper. Overall the Philippines is pretty cheap for mongers but don’t think you are going to get a modern laptop for next to nothing.

· The food here is neither bad nor great in my opinion. I mostly ate at MO’s and the Royal Amsterdam. I live alone and do not cook a lot. I am a microwave dinner guy so most stuff taste better than what I make at home anyway. I am not big on food but I found my dishes to be slightly above average. Never could get a really good salad though. I never got sick but did get a small bit of diarrhea on my last day there. Maybe it was that Chicken Cordon Bleu I had in Subic bay. Just make sure that everything is cooked well done and you will be fine.

· I noticed some of the girls complaining about Cialis and Viagra. I did not use any at all but when a few saw me taking my daily chromium picolinate pills (metabolic boosters that promote lean muscle) they thought it was sexual enhancement pills. These girls do not like the idea that your hard-on does not come from them. Silly I know, but once agian, women can not always separate emotions from sex like most of us can. Be aware of this if you care that the girl enjoys sex with you like I do. Otherwise keep on truckin’

· Have you always wanted to be a true “Playa” but could never make it to the big leagues? Well, step on up to Angeles City. This a great place to practice being a Playboy. Even if you never intended to play a bunch of games with women you will find it is a must there. All you have to do is have a strong desire to mate with as many women as possible. Then you can step up a few levels, taking what you learned in Angeles and applying it to the selfish women in your own country. Then again, good luck with that.

*Be aware cherry guys that although many bar girls are nice, there are still scammers amongst them. Many of the Veteran mongers preach this. Yes, I got scammed but I lost about $50. One member said don’t sweat the small stuff and 50 bucks is not going to kill me. Hell, you can lose more on those dumb Asian cam girls. I do believe though what goes comes around and the cherry girl will get hers. I will delve more into this situation later. You can avoid this kind of thing if you are very stingy or very cold and business like. It is still true that the girls tend to play on our generosity but I have found ( in my opinion ) that this a linear graph of beauty versus age. The younger and prettier they are the more likely they think they can get what they want out of you. So, I think it is not a bad thing to go with the older chicks that have maintained most of their youthful beauty. This only applies to cherry guys but once you have experience you can easily pick out the bola bola bitches.

*At the age of 30 a girl is considered an old maid in the Philippines but at the same time that is when women start to enter their sexual peak. Society can be so silly sometimes.

*Most of the girls have memories like elephants. Make a promise to them and they will (try to) hold you to it. If they find something interesting about you it will be seared in their minds. If you care what they think never make promises you know you will not keep. Otherwise, if you care not, then by all means keep the party going.


*It is harder to grab girls out of the mall than I thought it was. I did nail 2 really hot kiosk girls during a short return trip to SM mall but I only managed to get phone numbers from 4 girls when I bought a few huge ass teddy bears out of Blue Magic for a my top lays there. Damn. One week is just not enough time.

*The girls walking down the street in Angeles City have started to get camera shy. They will hide or block their faces if they know you are taking a pic of them. Random street shoots of girls should be taken covertly.



*Fields avenue and Perimeter road gets quite busy starting around 1:00 p.m. Remember, this if you want to run errands, monger or jog in peace down the road.

Interesting thoughts. Would like to here more.

MM

Thanks! I am trying to pack as much information in my report as possible without putting people to sleep. More to come.

Great observations but I think your observations will change as you have more trips.

I disagree about girls attitudes and performance getting better as you go down the looks scale. Filipinas are sweet in general and even stuners have a good attitude for the most part.

Do you still own a walkman?

Why would you care if the girls see you with other girls?

I didnt really understand your statements but it sounds like you said you were constantly getting free sex?

My stats on the girls seem way different than yours...For instance, of the 12 girls I was with on my recent trip, only one has a child. Then again, I rarely barfine waitress' and wont bf girls with even a hint of a stretch mark or deflated tits.

It amazes me that someone would spend so much time and effort to impress someone that just wants your money. Save your walkman and fake cigars and just use cash.
When I was there in February it was my cherry trip. I didn't have to use gimmicks to get the lady's, just cash.
Thanks to this board and the people on it, I didn't get the cherry boy rip off either. I knew the prices going in.

As funny as it sounds, I think the woman grabbing your dick in the bar is the true sign of them wanting you. I cant think of a more bolder expresson of desire.

good report. very interesting observations. interesting stats. more to this than i went here and did that. thank you. i plan to make my cherry trip to the Philippines this summer. i've only been mongering once to Thailand! ahh the land of smiles! but i actually have Filipino blood somewhere mixed in me. do you think, the asian mans experience would be different than yours?

Thanks for the report. I agree with a lot of it. The memories of the ladies is shocking. You can walk back in a bar months later and they know your name - and where you're from.

Music. Yes! I sincerly love the ladies singing to me and make them feel important. Their zest and excitment for music is raw. Loading up their MP3 players with mp3's or buying them CD's goes a long way. But watching them sing Kareyyokee [Wake Me Up Inside - Evervesance - was a favorite] and head bang with them - Priceless. And they feed off of your energy.

Shit - this gets me excited to go back....

Great report, thanks!

Blazers, I am honored and humbled that you decided to comment on my report. Yes, I know for a fact my observation will change after my next trip. You see, on this trip I decided to take a different approach than I will next time I go. I will explain this later in my Introduction and Background section.

Yes, I still have a sony walkman with mega bass. It is broke though and I will need to fabricate a new spring for the eject button and buy a new read head. I probably will never get around to repairing it.

You are right about the stunners when looking at it from a different end. I talked to quite a few stunner dancers. They were really nice to have a good conversation with. Feeling and tonguing them down was fun. But as I said before a girl must put in some work in order for me to bar fine them. The prettier the stunner the less she made an effort. She gets 5 minutes to express how bad she wants to fuck me. If she fails that I am already looking around the room for the next girl. Even so, it does not mean I could not have barfine them. They always said yes when I lied and said I would come back later to bar fine them. I could have Bar fined a lot of stunners I met from club Tropix, Dollhouse and Club Atlantis if I said so. But in each one the waitresses and door girls made this really difficult since they locked on to me fast and some found ways to keep the dancers away from me if I gave them a little attention. I made the girls do some crazy stuff at times to prove to me they wanted me to fuck them. My nature is also to be friendly to those friendly to me. This was one way I was made a love target which I will also explain later.

So yes, Filipinas are sweet but 2/3's of the reason for this trip was to get laid. In my opinion we are in the male Disneyland and women should be tripping over themselves to fuck us. Not the other way around. I am not going to waste a bunch of lady's drinks on the same girls just for good looks and good conversation. Hell, the 2 girls I fucked at SM Mall for free gave the top girls in Angeles a run for their money but it took too much effort on my part to bone them. I should not have to put in any work for the broads in PI let alone a bar girl that believe she is too pretty to do certain things. Not my idea of fun on a trip where time is of the essence.

My sliding scale was based on a few things:
1. How deep, expressive and genuine the girls desire to be with me was.
2. How far they would go to prove their desire of me.
3. How natural the conversation flowwed. Robotic bullshit would cause them to lose points.

The stunners were almost just as good as the lower level girls at #3 but failed quite a bit at #1 and #2 in comparison to the lower level honies. There may be some gems amongst the stunners but I was not willing to waste money finding out which ones had beautiful bodies and a huge hidden desire to do me. I will over look this flaw on my next trip and focus more on beauty rather than attitude.

As for performance, every girl I had, performed smashingly well with the exception of one which you will understand the reason why later in the report. Good sexual performance for me is based on how far she is willing to go to please me and especially how much she enjoys it herself. I am not happy if she does not enjoy it. I gave out prizes to the top 4 girls. More on that later.

The reason I care about the girls seeing me with others is because I was trying my best not to hurt their feelings. Trust me, I know all too well how emotional women can get and I truly believe most of these girls cannot work in a bar without some emotional damage and loss to their hearts. I am a considerate person. I try to treat all people with respect and decency. I know we are in Angeles but that does not mean they deserve any less basic respect.

Here is a few snippettes to give you an idea of what I went through in one week:

- I had 4 girls total arguing in tagolog over who saw me first and who was going to go with me for a bar fine. One of them knock over other's the ladies drink and another stormed out of the door with a mamasan chasing after her.

- I had 2 girls that I kept promising to bar fine later get pretty angry with me when they saw me going from bar to bar. One shoved me, punched at my nuts and cursed at me when she caught me coming out of club Camelot. Another followed me when her bar closed. She made me promise to come back with her for videoke when I was done visitng an earlier bar fine. She wanted to go back to my room for sex. I lied and said okay. But she still walked with to me to the bar to make sure I was going where I said I was. I came out an hour later and she was gone. I thought I was home free until i got back to the Amsterdam. She threw a cup at me, called me a butterfly and I assume cursed in Tagolog all the way down the street. I ducked through Mo's when ever I passed her bar after that.

- 2 girls at one of the bars got in a fight over me. The short girl shoved the talk girl and the talk girl slapped the short one and it was on after that. The fight lasted for about 20 seconds after they grappled, when the mamasan broke them up. She calmed them down and they were cool ( for a while) after that. It was nothing super serious but they were actually good friends before all this started.

- 2 girls bawled like babies when I said I had to go back to the USA. The tears were real. One them even dropped to her knees and kept crying in the corner as I walked out of her bar. I ened up staying longer just to calm her down. Hard to fake something like this.

More on all of this later.

Unfortunately, for them I am also a horn dog so I can not be commited to just one. As Portege once mentioned you would think they would understand this but, alas, women are emotional creatures and can not. I am just trying to lessen my contribution to their emotional damage because I would want the same thing done to me if the roles were reversed. What goes around may come around, even for the bar girls in my opinion.

Only a little over 1/2 the sex I had there was free.

As for babies I guess you are right. Of the dancers I chatted with, only 2 had children. Another looked like she had a kid when I noticed she had a scar near her bikini line. She continually denied it though. Most of the dancers I talked to where 22 or younger and worked at their bar 3 months or less ( supposedly). The door girls and waitresses were a different story. All of them had aleast one child with the exception of the cherry girls. My observation came from the fact that after I saw a slight scar on on of the dancers I factored in that 50% of the dancers I talked to may have lied. They have an image to uphold right? But as I said before quite few waitresses and door girls latched onto me as soon as they saw me. I even had one not even on shift yet at Dollhouse, just walking through the door, begging me to bar fine her A.S.A.P. after a little small talk. A particular dancer I oogled on stage turned beat red and started dancing off key (well more so than normal) when she noticed my special attention on her was diverted elsewhere.

Out of all the girls I did ( I guess I need to do a tally) 5 did not have kids. The rest did.

Sorry about the long reply Blazers but I felt you needed a bit more detailed information for now. There is more to come later in my report.

RT here.

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My sliding scale was based on a few things:
1. How deep, expressive and genuine the girls desire to be with me was.

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I had 4 girls total arguing in tagolog over who saw me first and who was going to go with me for a bar fine. One of them knock over other's the ladies drink and another stormed out of the door with a mamasan chasing after her.

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I had 2 girls that I kept promising to bar fine later get pretty angry with me when they saw me going from bar to bar. One shoved me, punched at my nuts and cursed at me when she caught me coming out of club Camelot. Another followed me when her bar closed. She made me promise to come back with her for videoke when I was done visitng an earlier bar fine. She wanted to go back to my room for sex. I lied and said okay. But she still walked with to me to the bar to make sure I was going where I said I was. I came out an hour later and she was gone. I thought I was home free until i got back to the Amsterdam. She threw a cup at me, called me a butterfly and I assume cursed in Tagolog all the way down the street. I ducked through Mo's when ever I passed her bar after that.

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"I made the girls do some crazy stuff at times to prove to me they wanted me to fuck them"

My friend, the discrepancy betweent the stunners and the waitresses is not how much they want you to fuck them, but how badly they need to try to snag you to make a barfine that night.
The stunners know if you dont barfine them, the next guy will. The waitresses dont want you inside them so badly, it's just that they need the money more and are putting out extra effort (and probably cockblocking the others) to get it. It's the economy, stupid (not your huge cock).

Trekker-

Trust me not all of them want just your money. Later in my report you will find that 2 girls told me flat out they did not need the money. There were quite a few that after a ,deep analytical, approach expressed their desire to leave PI and be happily married. But they thought it was unobtainable since people knew they worked in a bar. So what do they do? They continue working in a bar until they find a guy who may actually accept them or they find something better for the time being (school, a better job, a moneyko). None of them had clear cut goals just the need to make it day to day with the exception of the two mentioned earlier. This again by the way is part of my nature (or maybe engineering technique) to dig deep into their heart to uncover what truly make them tick. For me its about by befriending them and wiping away the bullshit layers. This opens the doors for freebies and other extra bonuses after sex in my opinion. And it also boost their sexual effort (my opinon again). As I will explain later this trip was meant to be more than just a sexfest. I was going to live my fantasy and be the suave playboy I had always dreamed myself of being. The one in which I had women hopping over trash cans and anything else to get to me. LOL!

So, ultimately yes, all of us can get the ladies. Hell, I saw a guy that looked like a stoned bum off a New York street walk in a bar like he was a regular. 4 girls flocked to him to play with his nips like they knew what he liked. But capturing the bar birls minds and hearts as well as their bodies is a different story in my opinion. It is great practice, enetertaining, opens the doors for more rewards and gives the girls hope that there is a glimmer of a chance that their life may not end in gloom and doom. I do not mind giving them an opportunity for a chance at a happy life if I uncover a diamond in the rough for myself.

Portege-
Thank you for your reply. Your trip report inspired me a great deal!
While I agree that the dick grab is one of the great "fuck me" signs I later got bored with it when trying to rip my pants off became frequent. I was getting to the point I needed more proof. I was not going to put this in my trip report later due to editing but I guess I will mention it here.

Shyray99 took me to a bar on perimeter road which I will have to ask him the name of where the girls tried to free me of my pants in the bar. Well, the next day i went back on my way to thi-hi. One of the aggressive girls from the prior day locked onto me again. This time she dropped her price to buying her lunch if I would please fuck her and cum on her face. I told her I was looking for a real freak. I she said she was but I did not believe her. ;) So she said she would prove it by doing whatever I wanted. I had just come from SM with souvenirs and one of them was a kind of special mini flashlight. I asked to show me what she would do to me with the flaslight I had. She pulled down her pants shoved it in and cut the light on. The girls on stage started laughing except the one too busy talking to one of the waitresses. She pulled it out and was going to lick it but I stop her and asked her to shove it in the cunt of the talkative bar girl for fun. She ran over to her grabbed her bikini bottom and flicked it in. The dancer was shocked and a little pissed but the aggressive girl came back with the light, shoved it in her pussy and then pulled it out for a final lick. Man, was she mad as hell when i still said I had to think about it as I walked out. She was a 5 on the beauty scale and I really was not interested in fucking her but she ended up giving me a BBBJTC on my last stop in. All I gave her was my email address. For me this kind of thing is fun because I believe all women like a challenge and they honestly believe they can make you change your mind if they give you what you want in the beginning. Just ask my ex-wife. ;)

Glad you had a great and memorable trip. But it sounds like you are starting to believe your own clippings a little too much.

Can the pinays fake everything you have described? Yes they absolutely can, when you have more experience you will see how transparent everything you decribe is.

When you REALLY scrape away the layers of BS, you will see that almost uniformly these girls come from desparately poor situations. Furthermore you will see that their true greatest priority is to help their families and then their local husband/boyfriend. If there is a shabu habit (much much more prevelant than you would believe) that will also be in that set of highest priorities.

These girls don't have the social networks nor the access to education to create a better life for themselves other than to extract money from lonely foreigners. Desparate to satisfy her obligations she will develop the skills to tell you what you want to hear and treat you the way you want to be treated in order to close the deal. Then she will minimize the efforts she needs to keep your pesos flowing to her. Obviously lying is usually the path of least resistance.

Don't underestimate how significantly large those lady drink commissions, barfine commissions, daily salaries, and shopping sprees are to the girls. While a $3-5 for a LD doesn't seem like a lot to you, that commission is like a day's wage for her boyfriend and half her daily wage in the bar. These small amounts are worth fighting violently over for the girls, especially the second or lower tier ones. And a girl who was her husband and family sms'ing constantly about the latest imepending financial disaster or need at home, she will pretty much degrade herself to the point of sticking flashlights up her twat and sucking and fucking in the bar for a couple of bucks. She will even mislead lonely middle age foreigners into beleiving she desparately loves them. Some are even smart enough to resist grabbing a reward today to try and set someone up for a much bigger reward down th road.

Sure many girls dream of marrying a foreigner and moving overseas. But that dream isn't to live out her days attending to the sexual needs of her much older (and getting older all the time) foreigner who really has no idea of her values. Her dream is too provide financial security to her family at home, and then to bring her husband, uh ummm I mean brother/cousin, to the new homeland to enjoy her riches.

Many experienced mongers like to say "Don't tell me your bargirl is different, unless she has three tits." There probably should be another saying that no monger is different except for how thick his bankroll is and what he demands from the girls in exhange for some his bankroll. Basically the result of these two assertions is what you are getting from any girl is pretty much what every other guy is getting from her. Also, you are not seeing anymore of what lies in her heart tha what she is showing other CUSTOMERS. And if you are provinding any kind of compensation either through money or gifts you are a CUSTOMER, and that is what she is calling you to everyone else including other CUSTOMERS.

Oh I gotta agree with Blazers in that once it's time to deliver on services, there is really no correlation between looks and performance. However, I understand that some guys deep down lack a certain self confidence that leaves them intimdated by the stunners and makes it easier for them to be uninhibited and to enjoy the date more with a lesser attractive girl. In my experiences, especially as of late the pushy aggressive bar girls in AC are very likely to be pulling a bait and switch and don't deliver in the room as well as there in bar antics suggested.

Gooch-
Contrary to what you may think this guide was not meant for people like you. I am here for newbies and as an entertaining read for the Vets here. I do recall some of the Vet finding it entertaining seeing things through the eyes of a new guy.
My point still stands that woman can not separate emotion from sex. It has nothing to do with how much meat you pack. These women are just like women in jobs, school, and homes across the USA. Alot of them want love but are in fucked up situations. Yes, there are some that only want money but why the fuck would they put so much effort into getting a barfine with one guy when all they need to do is approach every guy in the bar? Somebody will say yes if the price is right and they are persistent from open to close. Besides a little over half of the sex for me there was free. You tell me if they still wanted my money after that. You can't compare a fucking chocolate eclair to the heart of a woman. So no, they are not dying to be with just me but certain ones are dying to be with someone they find attractive, that treats them more like a woman and less like a fucking eclair.

My motive was to search through all the bitches and find the ones that really wanted to fuck even if the Bar fine was not involved. Yours may be different than mine. Yes they sell sex and most anyone (but not everyone) can get their bodies. I wanted to see if I could get more. How the hell do you think pimps get hookers to do dumb shit? It certainly is not because they pay them a lot of money. The pimps are the one taking it from them! Pimps have a way of attacking their minds that makes them do do what ever they ask and even accept getting beat. Once again, I need to know what makes these chicks tick and who really wants to fuck.
Oh by the way I am smart enough to tell the difference when fights are fake!

I also never said I was proud of my actions. I had mentioned that I got more than I bargained for. Based on what was said here on CH I honsetly thought alot of the hookers put on an act for your enjoyment. But now I see that it is different for some of them.I can give you the names of atleast 10 girls that I have contact with even now, that want to know when I will come back. Why the hell should they keep contact with me when there are still plenty of men there. Could it be that they actually had a good time hanging out, chatting and screwwing? According to you no but I sure as hell am not paying them to wring my phone, text and email me to death here in the usa.

So, I am sorry, but I still believe that some ( not all) of the girls in Angeles are not true "hookers" at heart and that some (not all) are really attracted to the men they sleep with. And if a little decent treatment puts a smile on their face and makes the sex better for me so be it. Most of them are still real women and their hearts do not change just because they work at a bar. If I wanted to just do business i would have taken the advice of the guys here and gone to Thailand. I believe half of the really young girls in Angeles are generally dumb enough to see us as only cash cows. So then you would be right. But I do not believe a woman will work over a decade in a bar and not feel a thing emotionally.


Up until this point everyone posted heplful comments. Yours on the other hand was meant as a direct strike at me. How the hell can you tell me not to defend myself but then post half your comments as questions? You want me to say nothing?

I am not here to argue with anyone. I only asked for help from Vets that can help improve my report for Newbies from a newbie perspective.

Zuperfly-

In a sense you are right but not every bar girl will go back with a guy just because she needs money. On my next trip I will simply walk into a bar pick the dancer with the biggests boobs, nicest body over all and walk right out. No fucking ladies drinks or the whole 9.

Remember this trip was different. I wanted to live like a Playboy with the girls coming after me and to see if there were any girls with diamond hearts. I know there are newbie guys out there that want live like this also which prompted the approach for this trip. In order to do this I had to weed out the ones only looking for a guy to Bar Fine them for the night. I know that there are many mongers here that have met women in the bars that were genarally great fun to be with and knew that the girl would screw them even if the circumstances were different. I was just concentrating on that my first time there.
Please keep this in mind when reading my report.

However, I am not stupid. I know that even when I am gone the girls will still be in the bars fucking unless I take them out of the bar. And I sure as hell will not pay for something like that. Even then they still may go back and work like the girl I met in Champange. Fuck being a Moneyko.

Money makes all of us do stuff we don't necessarily want to do. I work at a steel company as an electro-mechanic but I have a degree in Computer Engineering Technology. The job offer I got in New York when I graduated was crap in comparison with the cost of living there. I work at the steel company because the money is good not because I love what I am doing. Many of the girls are no different. However, no Bar Girl is gonna jump through a bunch of freakin' hoops just to get you to Bar Fine them. They still get a weekly salary as I was told by a papasan even if they get no bar fine. They will only go above and beyond the call of duty if they think you are worth the effort. I tried to get the waitress at Champange to sneak out with me after closing for 1000 pesos and she still refused even though she had no ladies drinks that night. Unbeleivable, considering the fact that she looked better than half the girls on stage! I am sure all you Vet mongers know that most of the girls have the right to refuse your bar fine or will lie and say they are on Mens or they are cherry if they really don't want to go with you. Alot of the girls told me this a what they do when they don't want you. So again money is a motivating factor for them but even some of them have standards they will not go beyond. But there still is somebody for everybody

Thank you for the commments!

If you only wanted to sleep with girls who are interested and seeking you out and not doing it for the money why are you going to one of the hardest hard core hooker scenes in Asia? Wouldn't going to normal clubs or venues in Manila, Boracay, Cebu, or etc. where you can pick-up non P4P girls? Certainly this would provide more assurances that the girls are really into you not what you can provide financially?

Mongerx-

Once again I am glad to receive sage advice from the experts. With very little time left I will say that I agree with you whole heartedly. Quite a few of the girls there are freakin' liars. I tried my best to wittle down the picks to the ones that really were attracted to me and those that had more to offer. Many of the girls were very easy to see right through. Others were a little tougher but I was getting better after advice from shyray99. I have been told that if you marry a pinay you marry here family and after talking to the girls I could not agree with them more.

Everything you say has proven true and I will explain more about my first day and a half later. But as the week progressed it seemed like things got easier for me.

Rememeber the name of the game for me was who was going to go above beyond the other girls for me. If a dancer did not even give me eye contact she was not even considered. I was looking for who would do me for free if given the chance. Free to me means "I really like you". If your telling me that freebies are still a set up for more repeat bar fines or ladies drinks then I guess I am the one that made off like a bandit because I never went back for the free ones. In fact, my favorite piece of pussy was a bargirl I bar fined twice. She help bust an eight month nut! The girls before her except one did pretty good but were not marathon runners.

Please don't think I am in love with any of them. I like them a great deal and love to make new friends to hang out with. I believe if I play my cards right I can bang more of them under the table. Even so if one claims she can not be with out me cool, whatever. I will not take all of what they say to heart. The more they prove to me the more I will believe. This something that will take a while to develop but I would not have it any other way.

I know they will go to great lengths to get my money but I am a tight wad (as I am told) and I wanna know who will still screw me even if there is no chance for extra money.

As for stunners I could never gauge any of their performances since I never bar fined the girls on the stage of tropix, dollhouse and atlantis. But as for bar fine effort I can honestly say they are not good as others. That's a waste of time for me on this trip.

So yes it may seem to some that I am mistaking their desire for my money as their desire for me but there must be some type of decent effort made to get it. If they cannot do even that then whats the point? How much effort do you think a door girl will make after seeing the same guy walk past her bar a dozen times in two days and of those dozen times he continually say no thanks to bar fining her even if she gets really pushy. I think after the first no she would stop and move on. And many did. But for a few of them this was not the case. And then why me in particular? I said no dozens of times and nothing has changed. Is there more to this continually aggressive girl than meets the eye? Maybe there is but the only way to find out is to investigate her futher. Never waist effort on someone who does not want you is what I say.

Thank you Mongerx for the humbling comments! More tomorrow.

The OP is a little confused and will learn in due time. Better just to let him figure it out on his own. I know many of us vets may come across as jaded so the newbies will ignore us. The girls arent all hardcore hookers nor are they the innocent lambs the OP makes them out to be. They are somewhere in the middle.

As for newbies reading this report. Go there with open eyes but please dont be so naive as the OP. These girls are more desperate than you realize and dishonesty/duplicity is the norm in the Phils. Many gems amongst the piles of turds but you wont know it on your first couple encounters. Takes time to peel the layers off the banana.

I still dont understand why guys go to AC just to try to get freebies and sneakouts.

I also use my ipod while walking down the street but use it to ignore vendors and barking door girls during the afternoon. Maybe the girls wanted to see the OP's Walkman as a casette tape may be as foreign to them as a flying saucer.

Mongerx-
I am confused. I thought Angeles was the easiest of the mongering sites? Was I wrong? Even so I also wanted a gurantee just in case my little fantasy went wrong. I think it means more if you can get a hooker to go against the grain by letting her heart get into. If I could do that then PI will be the place to go for just regular girls also. I did mention though that getting girls in SM mall was harder than I thought and I am glad I did not waste a ton of time on the women there. Next time I will try the clubs in Manila since I always know I can go back to the bar if I get frustrated. I just need to get my first nut off so I can think with a clear head(s). ;)

I guess it is his dime and he can think what he wants. After all if his fantasy is to be a playboy and AC fulfills that fantasy, then it's money well spent. Just don't come here and share that bullshit with us. We want to hear about the woman, how they fucked and a few pictures would be nice also.

AC is definitely one of the easiest monger venues for Westerners in Asia. English is not a real barrier. The venue is self evindent are relatively enclosed from the community at large. The girls are relativiely more used to foreigners. Also they are more equipped to serve the GFE fantasy of western guys. In turn it is the place that will definitely house the most cunning and hardcore hookers. Granted I wasn't there with you, but what you are describing just sounds like the standard MO of the AC bargirl. And that MO seems to work extremely well as so many guys really do seem to lap up their "I love you and have such meaningful feelings for you depsite barely knowing you" acts.

Yep it yours fantasy and AC is probably the best place to serve it out. However if what you want is a sincere mahal experience then really pursuing non-working girls would be a much more productive venue. That is why I suggested that.

Blazers-
You may be right but I wanted to see if I could pull off what I said I would. I will see how long this contact will last with the chicks I left behind. Only time will tell what kind of effect my run through had. I do not disregard what you guys have said but I had to see if it can be done. If not then atleast somebody tried and we can honsetly say many of the girls are non-redeemable. So I guess I will take one for the team of guys looking to do things like me.

Yes dishonesty is big there but I wanted to see if I could trick the tricksters. I failed on some attempts but came out winning on others. Rememeber, I had to go in a different direction to see if it could be done. A lot of girls there expect to be treated like garbage or a plaything. That's the way many of them are treated. I needed to see it from a different angle to see if all of them were actual garbage. I found not all were.

I do not beleive they are all innocent I mean they work in a bar for goodness sake. But I had to probe these women to see if there was more there. There are plenty of girls working at the malls and I even saw a posting there for a job fair. So there are alternatives available. Again, are all of them really just hookers or is there a woman still left inside? I tried to see if I could pull it out of them and so far found that a real woman still exist in some of them. Can I live like a Playboy for real? Again only time will tell if the emotions were real but bitches fighting and crying are hard to fake. Love ,yes! Crying real tears ,no. But I will be sure to update you more as I keep contact with the friends I made.

At this point I must Thank Shyray99. Without his help I may not have made it as far as I did.

LOL! Blazer I had a MP3 player with me not a walkman. The walkman is broke.

The draw for freebies and sneakouts for me is because it is not what they are supposed to do. Once again if you can get them to do it then you are not the norm. I never really wanted to be just the norm.

Look at it this way, girls in the USA while I grew up, thought they were the shit if they got a man with a ton of money and power. But in their minds a woman feels she is more than a woman if she can not only get a man with money and power but also "steal" him from another woman. Her self-esteem is really high if she can take more than one in the same time frame. Freebies and sneakout kind of fall in the same line. Do you have what it takes to pull it off? That is the question I asked my self.

Thanks again Blazers

Trekker-
I am sorry you feel that way. Once agian I am not writing this for guys like you. It is for guys like me and Vets that can offer advice wise advice. If a new guy is sitting on the fence about going then this one is for him. If the new guy wants to now what to expect as a new guy and what is possilbe from a newbie stand point then this buds for him. But if you want to know which position I flipped her in how I fucked her snooty doggy dog style then you have the wrong one pal. There will be pics later of the girls but nothing nude due to my inexperience in photgraphy and inexperience in coaxing nude shots out of them after sex. I know now I must do it before. Live and learn.

twoweekslate-
You will be fine if freakin' bums are getting pussy. You have to be dead with no money in order not to fuck there. Dead with money may still be possible though. ;)

Mongerx-
Thank you I will keep that in mind. In fact I turned a real Mahal experience with a girl in Cebu because I was having too much fun in Angeles. She is furious with me but I was not going to go all they way out there and then make sure was at home by 10 p.m. I mean she was 25 years old for crying out loud. I needed guranteed pussy. Angeles fulfilled that and more. I will not line up girls ever again before I go.

thanks for taking the time to share. It echoes a lot of what FOB mongers experience (myself included) in AC. Listen to Blazers, MX, Gooch-- they speak words of wisdom and you would be wise to listen. Pretty simple arithmetic in front of us all-- regardless of perception.

Enjoy trip #2!

Contrary to what you may think this guide was not meant for people like you. I am here for newbies and as an entertaining read for the Vets here. I do recall some of the Vet finding it entertaining seeing things through the eyes of a new guy.

Thanks for your observations. However, in keeping in the general vein of some of the other posters in this thread, I'm not sure that a newbie to ANY location should write a "guide" for other newbies. You are definitely seeing some things through rose-colored glasses. But then again, that's what newbies do.

Overall though I found your report to be an interesting if somewhat naive summation of Angeles. Thanks for taking the time to write this up.

EA

Hope you report on more adventures Thesineater.

MM

Well, thanks for providing some reading material.

The guys can be rough here for damn good reasons. I am not always in complete agreement, but respect the input. Been over the coals myself.

Really kinda lost on what to comment on so I will throw one thing out... most around here seek to avoid and minimize drama while you seem to relish it, at least at this time. Keep in mind that going off the reservation and gunning for non-pros and even off duty girls you are losing a thin layer of protection and security. You are in a shitty edge of the third world country. More dangerous if you are not a seasoned traveller. Price for the extra thrill can be far more than a few dollars.

If it were me and I wanted non pros, I would go on a singles cruise and not to a monger destination.

That's the great thing about mongering...you can fullfill your fantasy at the various Adult Disneyland destinations.

Thes', glad you put things in perspective and you are not in love with them. Generally, when one doesn't pay now, the P4P girls are probably cooking up a plan for a bigger pay day later.

Just hope that when they find out your true motives, that they don't turn out to be a vindictive bitch. That would not be good, especially when you're not on your home turf.

IMHO Newbies should be aware that they may reap what they sow.

Enjoy the life hombres.

"I did not see one American car there, however."
- so where did all those Jeeps come from then?
Thanks for the report anyway. Always good to see AC though another person's eyes.

"My point still stands that woman can not separate emotion from sex"

Obviously you've never met a GDP.

Your approaching this from a very dangerous angle which can lead not only to minor ridicule but potentially serious issues. Based on over 20 yrs off mongering around the world I'll tell you with 100% certainty that 90%+ of the women you will meet have absolutely no emotional involvement with you....regardless of what you think.

That doesnt mean that they arent nice, or that they dont ever have a good time....but at best they are enjoying their job. what you need to remember is that there is a fine fine line here. The gals that "emote" the best find they can often get much much more (for doing much less). Every single long time monger has 1st hand experience with guys going over the deep end and losing money, careers and family over a gal.

Who then boots him as soon as the well runs dry. I dont blame the gals at all, the level of abject poverty most of them come from is amazing.

The simple truth is that the "cherry" monger is much more overwhelmed with emotion then the gal is. Trust me , "she" knows exactly why she is there...most of us dont at that point. I have yet to meet any new monger who doesnt fall head over heels for multiple gals the 1st few trips...

I agree MacMac

I gotta feel that when it comes to mongering...next to the emotion of lust, comes hope...hope that the p4p girl is "different" than the rest.

Thesineater,

I've enjoyed your back-and-forth with the various factions. While I may not agree or even understand every opinion expressed, that's when this board is interesting.

I think you're lucky to have so many CH uncles trying to help you along. I also think that we're all inevitably children in this game, and have to make our own mistakes.

The big appeal (beyond the obvious) of places like AC is that everyone can experience what it feels like to be a rock star. By the way, it's no more of an illusion, either.

It's your money. Go for what you want, and what you want to learn about yourself and others. That's what we're here for. Maybe.

It's your time. Write what you want. Can't please everybody.


Minor points of information:

1. A bargirl's weekly salary is less than her share of two barfines. A waitress' weekly salary is about what she'd make from one.

2. Working girls regularly employ email to cultivate their customer base.

2. Claiming to treat girls with respect while baiting them to publicly debase themselves can induce cognitive dissonance.

glad you enjoyed it is fun to play games with the girls. i like watching them struggle with english. Treat them as you want they react differently to every guy. The drama is something i definitely want to avoid if i want the drama i get a real GF. I am upfront with the girl and am there for the moment nothing more. Most of the girls i'm with respect that and enjoy the moment too.


one thing i want to bring up is why the hotels keep asking for a US or foreign passport?

Indy13,

Because you don't have a local driver license.

Thesineater

My internet's been down for 10 days and this is my first look at the board in over a week. I'll see about adding my .02 and backing up my bros (Blazers, MX, DM, Tujunga) and the other voices chiming in here.

I'm sorry I didn't read your report. I started it but I've read a hundred "*insert handle here*'s first trip to AC" and just don't have the heart for it. Besides, usually the responses to the TR are more fun then the TRs themselves

My point still stands that woman can not separate emotion from sex.

That must be one of the funniest lines I've read in a long time. This must be your first trip off American soil. As you travel more you will understand this world and why so many here are having fun at your expense.

I was hanging out with Blazers a couple of months ago and he reminded me of a post I made in one of his trip reports a while back. It was something to the effect of: Filipinas don't speak Tagalog, they speak BOLA. While they seem as dumb as a box of rocks (and many are) they are cunning. Think of a wolf out in the forest - it won't score high on an IQ test, but at the end of the day it's there to EAT. These crafty, brown sirens bring their arsenal of weapons to bear every time a poreigner walks in the door. They think, eat, sleep and shit lies. This is their job. They are whores.

As for drama - we reap what we sow. Early in my voyages across the sea, I found myself enjoying and encouraging it. As I spent more time abroad I realized what a fantastic waste of time and energy it was. Now, I'm the teflon monger - no bola sticks to me. That's one (of the many) reasons I've not stepped foot back in the PI for the last three years. I don't want a whore that acts like a girlfriend, I want a whore that acts like a whore.

I hope all the comments here do not discourage you from continue to chronicle your adventures on CH. Without something to grouse about us old vets really don't speak up much anymore. I've hobbied with more then a few here and can say they do know what they're talking about. If something's being said it means it's worth responding to. Trust me, there's nothing worse then writing a TR that gets NO responses - I know this from experience lol

E

(Message edited by epimetheus on May 10, 2008)

good attitude and approach!i found when traveling for poon if you see a girl you like,show slight interest but with kind of a i could give a fuck attitude.it makes them want you even more!!if you look confident and exude the "im the man"attitude without being too cocky.your only problem is choosing who the next victim will be!!and remember if she brags how good she is in bed,it means she sucks!!move on!

Keeper-

Thanks for the comment. I do not disregard any of their advice. I went there expecting a lot of things based on this site and found much of it to be true but other stuff that was hardly mentioned. I believe that I made many assumptions about the average Joe here on CH and probably should have said so during my report.

1.) I believed that most people here are to some degree researchers and have invested time gathering information. If there are some here that do not then mongering maybe like walking into a war zone without protection. You should always obtain as much info. about an unknown as possible.

2.) I believed most people here had common sense. For example, if you are a 6 foot 600 lbs. guy it will be hard to convince a 98 lbs. 18 year old girl that you are the man of her dreams even in PI. I have made my report based on the use of common sense and realistic expectations. ANYTHING may still be possible in the human realm but I am not a betting man and people with common sense should know that some realities are truly hard to swallow even in a developing country like PI.

3.) I also believed that many people here understood the life of a city and the problems in it. I have lived in a city all my life. It, for me I guess, is a given to never trust everyone and never be places you know nothing of. Women lie, cheat and steal everywhere and PI is no different. Poverty makes people do outrageous things for money. Everyone is not your friend and many people care nothing about you but instead care about what you can do for them. Many see a kind person as a first class fool. These are a few of the givens in my book and they always sit in the back of my mind. I thought alot of people here do not need "how to survive in a city" 101.

4.) I also believe there are guys like me here that are not looking to follow the mongering norm. If everyone goes one direction I may try a different direction just to see if there is benefit in doing so. If not then atleast I am able to share my experience on why not to help others. I take advice, use it, but then may add a twist just to see the difference. That is who I am and maybe others here are like that. This is for them.

For me it is good to hear about FOB experiences because it is current and I always look for information that is new to add to the exsisting. Experienced guys look at mongering as an art to perfect and not a springboard to different possiblities. There is not a lot that is off limits to me in my mind.

El apodo-

I would normally agree with your assupmtion however, after reading many trip reports and guides here, I started to feel as if the experts were starting to get bored with providing information. A lot of it felt as if they assumed that no further explanation of their experiences was needed because the information never changed from past reports. I was hoping for a fresh and recent perspective that did not follow the mold of some of the others. In my experience to make a through analysis of a problem or result you must "attack" it from many different angles. A constant is meaningless if there are no variables to compare it to. And to sometimes to get it right you have to get it wrong. I only wanted to present a different perspective with a varied approach to help others make a better assessment of Angeles City. But this is based on my belief that the men on this site are very intelligent individuals that do not need everything spelled out for them. Remember, I am trying to touch on old information from a different perspective or present information never/hardly mentioned on CH no matter how naive it may seem to some. Thanks for the input.

Solid808-
You are right, payback can be a bitch. But, that is a bridge I will deal with as it comes. Meanwhile my next trip there will be based on what the more experienced mongers have done.

Icarus-
If the jeeps were american then they must have taken the American names off of them and put on japanese labels. Even heading out to Subic bay on the new expressway, not a one. Every driver I had drove a japanese car. Nothing wrong with that but in a country that appears to be heavily influenced by foreign culture I would be proud to see some American cars there. I hope to atleast find one on my next trip. Who makes the Jeepneys?

Macmac-
The seperation of emotion period from sex? No. It is hard for them to do. The seperation of emotional involvement with an individual? Yes. Women in the friggin' USA do that. Nothing new. They can be emotionally detacted from many men but ever so often one comes along that may be seen as more than a client. But for women this is not always dependedant upon the sex. It could be the converstion you have with them or the soft touch you gave after a trying day before the sex. Most women want to be held, loved, kissed and desired at some point in their lives. Feelings for them do not switch off like a faucet.

I do not expect prostitues to want a relationship after sex. But also I did not expect them to came back for seconds, nor did I expect them to get angry, cry or fight either. I expected no drama even though I was going to see what would happen if I tried certain things. I truly expected a business-like-experience with an added smile, like McDonalds. That is what you get from most of the money hungry bitches in the USA. The girls of Angeles know why we are there yet some of them (not all) still get jealous, angry, dissapointed, and upset. Why? Is this just an act for more money? I would hardly think so because it never gets them anywhere (at least with me). I personally, crack a smile and enjoy sitting back pondering the reason why they get emotional in the first place. Emotional behavior does not wrench money from my pockets. If others lose money behind this I can not understand why. My point is that it is easy for them to disconnect emotionally when they move from client to client. But the fact that they still express their emotions from time to time even in a whore-mongering spot like Angeles is interesting, since there is no reward in them doing so. This can only be attributed to the fact that they are still women and problems controlling their emotions especiallly when they find you appealing for whatever reason (including sex) is their department.

Some of the emotion is real but most is a front to an interior motive. It appears many mongers think that because a whore knows she is selling her body that she can switch off her attraction (emotion) or attachement (emotion) to certain clients. Some can but not all. You also have to get beyond the belief that these women fuck everything for cash. They do not. Many of them do have a level they will not go beyond even for money. They go back to with you to your hotel room because they can ,at minimum, tolerate having you pump away at them. To some degree they must feel attraction or tolerance for you.

The fun for me was analyzing the girls who faked emotions. I never expected real emotion. For some of them giving up their bodies does take a toll on their souls and they can't help but to express that sometimes even in the bedroom. You just need to be good at figuring out the phonies versus the real ones.

I loved the pussy there and never the girl. Really like? Yes! Love? no. But I do agree I need to be more careful about my approach.

Tujunga-
Thank you. Normally, I am quiet and I do not say a thing when reading forums where many of the chatters show no consideration of what is said to others. That is not the case here. I have been fortunate enough to learn so much from the great people here I felt compelled to do my part and provide input even at the risk of ridicule (which I still do not understand the joy of making other look or feel stupid) . For me, this is a big deal. I truly wanted to give back to help those that may have felt like I did when I first entered this site. I probably will never say a thing after this report ever again but will be proud to atleast contribute.

As for the respect thing. I always treated them nice. The crazy stuff they did started as a light request to get them to prove to me they wanted me in particular to bar fine them. But the situations would get out hand because of the persistence to convince me they really wanted to fuck me after I said their prior attempt was not convincing. If they kept going after that then I was not going to stop them. Unfortunately, part of me enjoyed this since I had been the one on the proving end in the USA. Later it became the more sluttier the girl the nastier my proof needed to be. Afterward, if she won my attention then she was treated sweet. If not, I just got up and left the bar. But I felt it was necessary as part one to weed out the bola bola girls. I let them know this later and some would say the famous "See how you are". But they would be glad that they passed the test.

Epimetheus-

Thanks

One thing I guess I failed to point is that lust and attraction are still emotions in my book. If you truly are a whore (like crackhead whores in the USA) you will let people do ANY and everything to you. They feel nothing, value nothing except one need and are the epitome of stupid. They will let you talk about them while sitting there with you and then will smile and grin like an idiot after you have said everything in the world to make them feel lower than an earthworm. I personally, never say stuff like this to anyone but I saw much of this first hand in New Jersey, Virginia, Atlanta and New York. PI girls are not true whores. No point treating them as such in my book. Later, I will talk about 2 girls that refused to go back with me. Real whores do not choose. They have to feel tolerance or attraction minimum to screw you. That does not mean they will not take your money though.

As for lying, it is expected. I also enjoyed playing detective picking apart what the chic says just to firgure out if she is a liar and in turn use it against her. The cherry girl from my threesome was the only one to make it by with a lie but the 2 other girls with her made it worth the initial risk I felt. Figuring who wants to fuck bad and who really does not is fun for right now.

As I said earlier, my approach will be different next time. Not because I necessarily want to but just to see it from a different end.

Mightymalts-

Good stuff! That's what I am talking about! I will doing exatly what you said in Dollhouse next time! Those chics seem to be very confident about their looks (with the exception of the dancer and waitress I met there). I can't wait to see how this works there. Party on!

Lol, you could have made all your responses in one post. I guess the real determination of your approach will be analyzed once we see your photos. One thing you have to realize is that you are analyzing this hobby way too much. This isnt a doctoral dissertation on how cognitive dissonance affects relationships with bargirls...its pretty simple actually. I can tell by the way you write that you are a type A personality or at least split between Type A and the opposite. This will affect how people perceive your writing.

Lastly, as said before, you cannot have a strong assessment of a destination based on one trip...no matter how much you think your controlled experiment was properly analyzed and scrutinized.

There....now you see what it looks like when you read your report and responses.

You know, I guess I never really thought of making a strong assessment. I wanted to help new guys like me and give guys like you a FOB read. I also treat this like a lab experience because my mindset is more logical. I am not a true social creature and can't bring my self to understand some of the silly points of society (like Starbucks coffee). But I do LOVE women and think of each one as a new world to explore. A true experiment involves controls and variables to tweak. I guess I am too excited in sharing my studied experience with others that I felt I had to write a report pronto. Well, I will see this through to the end but later I will make a disclaimer saying that I am not expert! Thank you again for responding Blazers!

Haha. I think you guys THINK too much.

Just go, have a beer and get laid. Its nothing more then one big fraternity party back at the house with every night landing back in the room with a different woman.

Dont be introspective, dont be analytical, dont worry about getting it wrong, just get laid.

Grab a chick, any chick, even if she is a bit questionable. Go back to the room and get it done. When its done, its time for another round.

Good luck to all!!!

I only have one thing to add. I have not been to the philippines yet, but it has been my long experience everywhere else that it is DEFINITELY NOT a goof idea to let the girls pick you instead of you picking them. They do this either because they are desperate for money (because they they are a bad lay) or they are scammers and are trying to steal your money. AT best you will have a bad quality time, and at worst you will additionally get ripped off.

Maybe this culture is a bit different, but I have been in dozens of others and it seems a universal truisim,,. if they come after you and hang all over you, sound the warning bells and get the h..ll out of there!

If you are on the street and you see one you are interested in just make eye contact, and smile, and if they smile back the that is all that is needed.

Most of you don't remember me. Old handle was IndySeattle, but couldn't get the system to let me use it when I rejoined.

My two cents on this are to encourage the OP to make another trip there for two weeks, then see if his assessments on the girls are the same.

Just a few words from someone who actually lives in the Angeles area. While I have great respect for the vets here in terms of their knowledge of the bars and the mongering system, I don't necessarily agree with their take on the culture or the girls' motives for being there. The number one reason the girls are in the business is to support themselves and their KIDS (and the rest of their family) in a desperate economic situation. To a lesser extent, some of them may also work for a year or two to pay for their university education. A small percentage work to support their Filipono boyfriend/husband but those are quite rare. The great majority DO have kids. Girls (especially Asians) that have kids in their teens - which many many Filipinas do - will not have stretch marks or deflated tits (especially if they don't breastfeed, which most Filipinas don't). Most of the hot young, non-stretch-marked, non-deflated girls that tell you they have no kids are lying. My Filipina wife is 32 and still has the boobs of an 18 year old and no stretch marks - despite 2 kids, which she had at age 16 and 18. By the way, if you want the best-looking ladies in the PI, go to Pasay Road karaoke lounges like Upstage, Sachi or Shuriwase. You'll have to waste some money the first time, but if you're nice, clean, and reasonably attractive, you can be having free sex with a real model-class beauty. And never mind walkmans and chocolate straws - the quickest way to grab any Filipina's interest is to sing. If you have a good voice, you will beating hotties off you - that is a guarantee.

Another reason many girls get into the business is in the hope of finding and marrying a foreigner. This is not only because of the obvious economic benefits, but because of the increased social status that comes of having a foreign husband. So it's not entirely fair to paint the girls as all business with no emotion. Many girls in AC really do fall in love with their customers and most of you would be very suprised at the number of bar girls who actually get exported as fiancees from AC to the US, Canada, Germany etc.



Unrelated PS: you mentioned people cutting in front of you in line. That is also one of my pet peeves in the PI. The solution is simple: just call them on it. Say "Excuse me, I was here first, please get in line". 50% will mumble an apology and go to the back of the line, 49% will be utterly embarrassed and just leave, but 1% will pretend not to hear you and just stay there. If that happens, just step back in front of them. Other people in the line will back you up and scold the offenders. One exception: if the person cutting in front of you is an elderly woman/man, just say "sige na po ate/kuya" and let them go ahead. Respect and privilege for the old is a big part of Filipino culture. Same goes for pregnant ladies.

While teenage Filipinas do bounce back from pregnancy amazingly well most gain a lot of weight and I can always see some sort of difference in their stomach and tits. I have not met your wife but I can guarantee you that I could point her out in a lineup of girls who havent had kids and would notice. I dont go by what they tell me(as honesty not so important in Phils)..I go by what I see.

I think that most of the girls working in AC have the intent on using all the money to support their family but the barnacles from Samar and Leyte come out of the woodwork, including lazy boyfriends and coworkers. Those people will bleed a successful bargirl dry and the family gets the crumbs. The other caveat to that is that many girls have live in husbands and boyfriends with whom they have a kid with...a kid they had after becoming a bargirl. In other cases, the pamily from Visaya will end up moving in with the bargirl and her new child. The possibilities are endless. They support the bf and the pamily.

I'll just agree to disagree with you about picking the moms out of a lineup, as I'm not about to post pics of my wife on this site! The only difference I can see between her and her younger friends/relatives with no kids is that my wife has much tighter abs from all the daily running and Swiss ball workouts. Not many Filipinas are into working out, so it's not that hard for a mom to whip herself into better shape than the non-moms.

Anyway, my point about kids is this, and I will say it til I'm blue in the face coz I know it for a fact. The single most common reason Filipinas end up working a bar is because their deadbeat Pinoy bf/husband knocked her up and left her, so she needs money to support her kid(s). Any mamasan will tell you the same thing (if she knows you well enough to be honest with you). In the higher-end bars that employ the real stunners, the persentage of single moms is definitely going to lower. So as a connoiseur of Pinay flesh, someone like Blazers is going to run into fewer mummies. But in the PI as a whole, no question - supporting the kid is the number one reason for working a bar.

Blazers, you hit the nail on the head with the lazy coworkers comment. Seems like every bar in the PI has a "top 3" or "top 5" list of girls that really bring in the cash, and many of the others do fuck-all except "borrow" money from their better-looking and/or harder-working friends. In the PI, "can I borrow" means "please give me even though you know damn well you'll never see it again".

Wheeww! I cannot believe I read most of this thread...

I think is great that he enjoyed himself, awesome that some people felt to contribute their views, laughable that some felt to criticize the man's vacation, puzzled by some of the desdain and aggro attitude I thought I noticed on some of the comments.

Is a personal trip report for god's sake! His dime, his time, his opinions.

As another one above said is simple: he went there, he partied, he experienced thru this personal filter what is like there and he wrote about it from his point of view.

I am ready for by next trip and hope to have a good time on my own or whomever else is around.

Thank you for your report!

I am about to make my cherry trip to PI and I want to thank thesineater for a very informative report. I also enjoyed reading the comments from the experienced mongers. All this knowledge, I am sure, will be of great help to me. Thanks