My report here is about 2 years old, I had it on another site and I thought you might enjoy the reading. Keep in mind I am huge on the GFE and really dont get any pleasure from someone who I dont believe finds me appealing on some level. So the "stick it in and hurry up and finish attitude", no matter how beautiful, does nothing for me.

I will be going back to Angeles City next week, I plan on a full report (been 3 years since my last visit) so be sure to check under "Philippines" for more of my reports and pics.

TO START

Greetings all, I just got back from 4 days in Odessa and 4 more days in
Kiev...I spend a lot of time on your other posts for information and tips
for my trip...I will post here observations and information that I
experienced there...some funny, some not so funny and if you will bear with
me also some insights on things there in general.

LUGGAGE

I arrived in Odessa Monday the 21st at about 1:00..One of my 2 bags didn't
make it, they said it was coming in from Amsterdam in about 3 hours, may
have it tonight but in the morning for sure..(as far as clothes the suitcase
I have has 3 t-shirts, that's it).A man named "Tony" who has a small tour
company said he would help with my missing bag, I gave him 40.00 U.S.....My
"phone" in my apartment cannot call 800 numbers, or almost no other numbers
for that matter, so I put my interpreter on calling the airline, (more on
her later) tried about a dozen times always busy signal....Next morning I
call Tony , no bag, they will check the 1:00 and 3:00 flights, he says I
should wait there in case the bags show up....I'm only here 3 1/2 days and I
should wait all day in my apartment for my bag?????....Anyway no bags after
3:00, Tony now admits they have no idea where my bag is...I tell Tony (beg)
that without him I have no chance of getting my bag, I might not even have
it for Kiev, so please stay on them and I will take care of him Friday when
I get back in Kiev airport....Wednesday morning Tony called , my bag
arrived...they are delivering at 11:00 with other luggage, should be there
between 11:30 and 1:00 so wait on them...At 1:30 I call my interpreter ( who
has cell phone of delivery person who doesn't speak English) she says they
had a lot of bags should be there by 3:00...(should?)...at 4:30 my bag shows
up, I think I was the last delivery and the driver was drunk....Later when I
met with my interpreter ( who is studying business management and relations)
I gave her a business lesson 101...I am her client not the cab driver, don't
let anybody else control the destiny of your client, knowing my situation
and when you learned my bag is in Odessa at 11:00 you ask how many
deliveries, if there are several you weigh the options of a payment (if
reliable) for first delivery or to have them leave them at the airport so we
can pick them up ourselves...I told her situations come up like this all the
time in the business world and the people who get ahead are the ones that
make things happen without being told what to do.

ODESSA OUTDOOR CAFES

No surprise to anyone who has been there, the servers in these restaurants
have such a "I don't give a shit" attitude that it is amazing after a
while...I wont dwell on this too much, after all this is not a restaurant
review website. But at the Turkish cafe was especially rude, I ordered a pizza and a coke, a lot
of beverages there are not all that cold so I asked for a glass of ice also,
she brought a glass with 3 ice cubes in it (not big cubes ether) I politely
asked with a smile for some more ice, she said (never smiling of course) no,
no more ice.

UKRAINE GIRLS....ARE THEY BETTER LOOKING?

A lot of hoopla has been written about the beauty of the girls of the
Ukraine, I paid close attention to this in Odessa and also in Kiev, and in a
nutshell here is what I have concluded in my opinion...they are no more good
looking than any other American or white European nation but here's why they
may appear more beautiful...Keep in mind only my opinion...

1. There fashion.. They dress every day like it's Saturday night, they like
there sexy clothes, designer handbags shoes and sunglasses...showing lots of
skin and cleavage even on a Tuesday afternoon..Anybody who dresses up in
sexy clothes will always turn more heads.

2. Not a lot of cars, and lets face it, the cars that are there have almost
all male drivers... more women walking... and any area that has more women
than men is a pleasant sight.

3. Streets are full of these women at night and in the cafes (more on this
in another heading) I talked to some people in Kiev what they do when they
go out and here is what I concluded.....The streets, the sidewalk cafes, the
street corners are there "nightclubs" a lot don't have money to go to the
discos and drink, and the places they live are no place to have a party, so
they walk the streets in front of designer shops ( hanging around expensive
shops full of shoes purses and dresses have the same effect on women that
strip clubs do for men) so it's no accident that a lot of women hang out
here at night...So when you first see them you think, here are pretty girls
walking down the street, must be going to a disco or a hot nightspot, and
when the street don't seem to thin out it must look like the whole city is
full of beautiful women heading to a party...But like I said there streets
are one big nightspot and they are just rotating around.

WHERE IS ALL THE P4P IN ODESSA

I found plenty..I made it my mission after my luggage bullshit at least on
this trip I will find out about the P4P in Odessa for my fellow
travelers...Here is how to find it and the do's and don'ts....

1. Now you walk by all these sidewalk cafes and you see 2 or 3 beautiful
girls sitting at the table nursing ice tea, water or some fruit drink and
not doing a lot of talking...this look strange because back home everytime
women are out for a evening together they are constantly talking..so this
looks funny to you, so you think, hookers waiting for a guy like me to say
hello...LOL....You are about to get shot down quicker than a turkey 3 days before
thanksgiving...Remember this is there nightclub, and they may be bored and
don't want to go to there pathetic place they live or maybe Ukraine women
don't chat with each other as much as American women do, but dont assume all are street girls,
Besides lets be real, every hooker in the
world will come to you or make pleasant (not shy) eye contact, if she
doesn't do ether she's not a hooker.

2. Do not sit on a table at the cafes if your looking for a escort...This is
only a guess but I think the cafes frown on girls coming to guys in the
cafe..anyway I spent hours trying it with no luck at all...Now here's what
you need to do.

3. Walk the streets...smile...keep your head up...look in shop
windows...look like a tourist...and this is important, walk alone...Now I
will tell you why you do all this..The escort girls by profession are
aggressive people but like all women they don't like rejection so you have
to look like a good prospect, a single girl may approach 2 guys but if the
guys aren't interested they may have fun teasing her and who wants that, or
if your married that could be your brother in law with you (in there mind)
or any number of other reasons...Anyway I walked down the streets and was
approached a minimum of 3 times every night.

4. If you are with a buddy walk a half block away or wander around with cell
phones, when one of you gets a good prospect, go get your buddy, there has
never been a escort in history that didn't have a friend.

5. Now the bad news...they were all in the 5 to 6 category.

SUSIE AND SASHA.....

Called Sasha (the blonde) 1st night there, very pretty girl, and nice as far as I can tell. While we were talking at a cafe Susie came over to say hello, couldn't stay though, had another appointment, but I said I wanted to hook up another night...Went back to my apartment, Her body is not as great as her face and age (19) would indicate, don't let that get back to her, don't want to hurt anyone's feelings...It was 70.00 for a session, I wont even say a hour because they don't allow me to do enough to entertain me for a hour..I'm not allowed to use my fingers anywhere and BJ is with a condom..I will go over this in more detail in the Kiev reports....Now this next part a lot of you will disagree with and I will explain myself in greater detail of my thinking in the River Palace section...Not 2 hours after my session with Sasha I was sitting in a cafe table on the outside perimeter by a corner, both girls came walking by and was no more than 20 feet away, I caught there eyes and gave them a big wave and smile...They looked right at me , turned and walked away...This bothered me, its not like I wanted to take there time for free, just a smile, wave or maybe a quick hello, I mean even on the remote chance that they didn't recognize me why would street walkers ignore a guy waving at them...If they did recognize me that insults me....The next day Susie calls me about 3 times asking what time she can come over...Stupid times like 3 and 4:30 in the afternoon, I said if they wanted to talk I would meet them at cafe 99 at 9:00...They met with me I bought 2 rounds of drinks, very friendly and pleasant conversations...Then with a smile I told them that unfortunately I can get no sexual satisfaction from any women who does not find me appealing on some level so I could not be with her tonight or any other night..She asked me if I was kidding..I stopped smiling and said I was not.....Later that night got a 25.00 hand job from a girl about 40 pounds overweight..I very politely turned her down the first time, but when I was walking down the other side of the street later I saw her waving at me...well...You know it was the best session I had in Odessa.

DINA.....

While walking the streets the next night 2 girls came up to me and asked where I was from, just small talk, I asked if they wanted a drink, the one girl (Dina) said sure, her other friend started talking to her in Russian and after about a 3 minute conversation her friend left...Of course I was waiting for the "price" but it never came..she didn't drink anything, just soft drinks...After I had a couple of beers I asked if she was hungry, she said yes is there a cafe close to my apartment?................I KNOW JUST THE PLACE....she had a fajita with water, I had a nacho and beer...She said before going to my place can we get some booze (????) sure, why not...We go to the small store she picks a small bottle of Baileys, a package of crab meat and I go to the counter to pay, she says something to the cashier in russian so she reaches behind her and gets a package of condoms, I briefly tried to say I have some already but..O what the hell...We go to my place and she acts surprised I don't have 2 beds (LOL) I said noooo I'm sleeping in the bed, she can sleep anywhere she likes but I'm in the bed...I get 2 small glasses for the baileys and open up the crab meat...She doesn't want any crab meat(?) and takes the smallest sip of baileys...Then its time for bed (bra and panties) we cuddle and kiss but she laughs and removes my hands from "funtown" about 3 times...At this point of my trip I really wasn't in the mood for a session of "slap and tickle are we going to hide the pickle?" so I kissed her and said good night and rolled over...now she is all over me to cuddle, I do this awhile then try one more time to go on the dark side..no luck...just more cuddling...Next morning she abruptly jumps out of bed and gets dressed, fluffs her hair, no words I'm just laying there watching her..she sits on the side of the bed and says "you call me, yes?" I say O.K. , then she grabs the Baileys and says "I take this O.K.?" I just laugh.........A Mexican dinner for two...14.00......A bottle of Baileys, crab meat and condoms.....22.00....A night of blue ball cuddling that keeps me awake all night....priceless.




ODESSA WOMEN OVERALL......

I'm 47 years old, I'm not bad looking, been with well over a hundred women
in my life (only started the P4P this year), make friends easy, a successful
business man, treat people good and have a positive outlook on things...But
in Odessa...I'm 47 years old...My point...If you can go to a disco or a
night spot where you are a stranger and pick up women that you feel are
attractive, then by all means give Odessa a shot if your that kind of
adventurer...But for my money Odessa is a waste of time and expense...Now
lets talk about Kiev.

KIEV......

I arrived in Kiev Friday afternoon with all my luggage, so it's already a good trip by comparison, I did not need a interpreter for Kiev I thought I knew enough by now to get by...I found Kiev to be much cleaner than Odessa...My mission for Kiev, to find people to tell me more on how they live and the reasons for there attitudes, try the Gia agency, and 4 nights at river palace.

STEVE...

After cleaning up I walked about 3/4 mile to TGI Fridays, met a guy by the name of Steve we got to talking and he was there 4 days already and found no women......I said your luck is about to change my friend...it was about 5:00 I said he should go take a nap and meet me back here at 10:00..Its going to be a long night....Here is the story about Steve, 47 years old, good looking man, married the last 16 years to a Polish women who in her early years was a beauty contest winner, they had no kids and he loved her, the past year she was very depressed about something and he did all he could to make her happy....come to find out her lover of the last 3 years dumped her, thats why she was depressed...they were divorced last March...I don't want to be Captain bringdown with the story, it's just I have been in the bar and restaurant business for 25 years and I can usually size up somebody's life by watching them drink and talk..I believe Steve was loyal to his wife and loved her very much, he drank like he just recently started drinking (more than socially)and I don't think he has dated since his divorce.

RIVER PALACE FRIDAY NIGHT.....

Even though it was my first time there the information on this site made me feel like a regular, saved me 25G just getting there by knowing how much a cab should be (60 my ass)...We got there about 11:30 had a few beers and talked making eye flirts with the stunners, Steve commented how long it's been and how good it feels to get long smiles and looks from gorgeous women...We move to the disco about 12:30, chat with a few girls, of course there still at 300.00 some drop to 200.00 right away, I told Steve that 150.00 should be the way to go (more on that later)...I meet a couple of nice guys from Turkey that spoke great English, they were there 3 days, no women, and just now heard of this place but didn't know how it worked, so I gave them the RP 101 class...We had a great time, we laughed till we cried...I didn't notice if the 2 guys from Turkey hooked up with women, I was busy dealing with "psycho girl" ( more on her later), but later in the evening (morning) they came over and shook my hand and said meeting me was the best part of the trip, they were flying out in the morning..About 3:00 Steve had a stunner on his arm and was leaving, he hugged me and said " Thanks" didn't need to say more I just smiled and waved as he left.

PSYCHO GIRL FRIDAY NIGHT...

Like I said even though it was my first time here I had information from this site, but I did not know about all the protocol...Here's what happened..I had this good looking redhead on me and wouldn't let go, she would hug me and caress, when we danced she would grind my leg, at the bar she would grab my crotch, I would also give her the 1 second crotch grab...But she would constantly grab my chin if I even glanced away any indicated with her hands (she spoke no English) that I should only look at her, then she would push me away (angry) and 5 seconds later pull me to her...Now I'm thinking this is normal procedure for this place (LOL) until security came over (looked like mafia) and said something to me in Russian...I don't know what they said but I'll bet it wasn't "Welcome to the River Palace"...Anyway it was about 3:30, the booze was catching up to me, I had a fantastic time, but a little too drunk for a game of "hide the weenie" so I gave psycho girl a long kiss and said hope to see her later and left.

RIVER PALACE SATURDAY NIGHT....

Got there about 11:00, started recognizing many girls from Friday (and again the next 2 nights) psycho girl showed up and many of the "regular girls " talked to her..now not to go into a long story here's is what I believe..Friday was here first try at this and what she did with me the girls told her that's not how it works..she had a cute blonde with her tonight who spoke English..her price is now 300.00...I said we can talk about that later...I felt a little out of sorts that night..bought a few drinks , flirted with a few girls but wasn't in the mood really...Had a GIA girl at 8:00 (130.00) service was O.K. but I'll explain later what is pissing me off about these girls....anyway left about 2:00.

BUYING DRINKS....

If your looking for just sex and there only to negotiate price then buying drinks is a waste of money, it will not get you a better deal...but if your like me you like the illusion of date (im big on GFE) or playin the game then a few extra dollars is no big deal..no girl except one asked me to buy a drink and every drink was no more than 3 or 4 dollars..EXCEPT the one girl who asked me to buy her a drink, it costs 15.00...so my advice if any girl asked you to buy a drink, be careful..I would suggest if your running a tab with a bartender or a waitress tell then right away if any girl orders a drink and it costs more than 5.00 to tell you first before making it.

RIVER PALACE SUNDAY NIGHT....

Tonight I fell like getting the girl...150.00 to 175.00...The evening starts out like normal but now I'm talking more price with the girls I like, have my eye on 6 girls, at 12:00 all but 1 is at 300.00 the other at 200.00...now my thinking is if I treat them like a car dealer in negotiations it might insult them and I might not get 150.00 or less on principal alone..so I smile politely and say I really was hoping for 125.00, maybe we can talk later?...of course while talking to them I say how much I like her shoes or her purse ( like I really give a shit) and how nice she looks tonight...3 of the girls gave me really deadpan looks so there off the list, 1 left with someone...down to 2..I told both I was in at 150.00...The one I really wanted said 200.00..the other one about a hour ago was at 250.00...she has been at a table with 2 guys during that time....it is now 3:00 and thinning out...The 250.00 girl came up to the bar and I politely said "are you still here?" I was trying to come off like I cant believe a beautiful girl like you hasn't left yet...Anyway she laid into me saying yes she was still here and why wont I go 250.00 when she knows I can afford it (honeymoons over) I guess the last hour with the 2 guys didn't generate the profit she was expecting..anyway I just raised my hands in a surrender fashion, rolled my eyes and walked away....I ordered one more beer and watched the 200.00 girl sitting alone at a table watching the dance floor..if I was in a better mood at this time I would break down and go 200.00 but instead I just thought about this...I have to think anybody really wanting some tonight has already got it..she is not going to get 200.00 tonight, she knows I'm in for 150.00...but it seems she would rather go home with nothing than take the 150.00 same thing goes for the 250.00 girl...The GIA girls are good looking girls they go for 100.00 to 200.00 for the top girls and you know the agency gets a healthy cut of that...I really didn't understand the girls thinking on this one...after my beer I smiled and waved goodbye to 200.00 girl and left.

RIVER PALACE MONDAY NIGHT......

This is my last night in Kiev, a car will pick me up at my apartment at 4:30 so I cant stay later than 2:30...2:00 if for some reason I get lucky..You see after the attitude of the girls last night it really put me off the mood, but nowhere else to go so here I am..If psycho girl would show I would go the quick 150.00 and leave but she wasn't there...I didn't expect anything just a few beers before going back home but I still had one curiosity..I had been friendly and open with all the girls I met there, they do talk to each other and so they know I'm in at 150.00..so I spent the evening smiling and waving at the girls I recognized but I did not approach any of them, I wanted to see who approached me...none did.

TGI FRIDAYS.....

Before I sum up my trip I want to tell you about the people I met at Fridays...absolutely wonderful people working at the restaurant..I learned quite a bit about Ukraine people which will be my next subject, they were very interested about America and asked a lot of questions...But I want to relay a story about one girl there...Not a stunner like we talk about here, about a 5 I would say but a very sweet girl...when I came in for lunch Saturday she sat down at my table with a huge smile to take my order ( 1st time I saw anybody in the Ukraine smile) she came over to check on me quite a bit, didn't think much of it, other than a very friendly optimistic girl, but then she asked if I was coming back later, and this was before she knew how I tip when I meet someone like her (12.00 meal..25.00 keep the change) I went to Fridays every lunch for a hour then back at 8:00 till 10:30 before going to RP...I went back that night to the bar, she waved at me when I showed up and came over to the bar to talk when she could between her other duties...Now here's is my situation..I'm 47 she's 20 she's not a escort just a nice girl..I'm not sure of her intentions or how I should pursue it...If you 47 years old and not a celebrity I don't care how good you look, you cannot expect a 20 year old girl to come on to you without knowing anything about you...The last thing I need is to get that "look" if I treat this as a normal boy meets girl situation and ask her out on a date...But of course I have to do something...I tested the waters with statements like days off, what do you like to do, etc..So Saturday I'm flirting and talking and at one point I give her shoulder a light squeeze and a rub..she giggles and walks off...that of course could mean 2 different things...Sunday lunch (remember I leave very early the morning of Tuesday) I ask her what is her schedule..she works all day today (Sunday) but she doesn't work until 5:00 Monday..I asked what she is doing after work tonight..just going with friends to the square for a beer or 2..I say that sounds like fun if her friends are as nice as her I would love to meet them (trying for the invite) ...wasn't invited..( of course I'm not sure how well she understood English so she might have not understood my loose suggestion)..Sunday night the first thing I do when I arrive is tell her if there is anything at all she would like to do Monday afternoon I would love to show her a good time (lunch, movie, etc.), she just smiled and nodded but didn't say anything about it all night...I came in Monday at 6:00 for dinner..by this time the whole staff would smile and greet me and we would talk about things..Anyway about 10:00 she came over and said she has Wednesday off and wanted to spend the day with me to practice her English.. I took her hand and said I thought she understood that I leave in 8 hours, she looked very disappointed and asked when will I be back....I said I don't know.

ATTITUDE......

Older people I talked to and younger people who know there parents and families opinion all say the same thing...They liked the Ukraine better when it was the USSR...they weren't hungry then and knew there future, now it collapsed and the government took everything..then outside countries and business people bought all the profitable ventures and paying the people like 3rd world countries..sexual harassment is very common, almost expected for the good jobs and the men have no money cant leave the country to make money so they know they will never make a good living...I honestly see no solution for there problems until a government comes in and reforms the employee rights and lets these people leave there country if they want to...I really cannot blame them for having a bad attitude and being untrusting of people.

IN CLOSING......

Guys we have to stop putting up with some of the bedroom bullshit these girls are trying...Lets start with the condom blowjob, what the fuck is that about???? I am supposed to find great pleasure in this??? Oh I am so honored that you will actually allow my dick in your mouth!!! If a girl paid a very handsome gigolo for sex and he covered her pussy with a sheet of saran wrap before going down on her, do you think she would have a problem with this??????? And how about this shit about my fingers in your pussy? you don't like that ether???? Since when did it become more of what you want and less about what I want??? Anyway I was in Angeles City last May...Wanting to try Rio after Christmas ..and cant wait till next April so I can go back to the Philippines and be with my little brown fucking machines again...

Thanks for reading everybody.

Thanks man. Always like hearing about the baltic states. Great trip. Those girlies need to lighten up!

Uhh, not to nit pick, but Ukraine is on the Black Sea, not the Baltic.

As for me, I am in Moscow at the moment getting my brains screwed out by a 45 Kg blond spinner from Siberia. Again, the trifecta - divorced, single Mom from a small town in the provinces who has not had regular sex for a long time. (Provincialka)

Almost bit my dick off Saturday night when Russia scored the final goal in extra time to win over Netherlands.

Report to follow soon.

(Message edited by riojake on June 24, 2008)

"Almost bit my dick off Saturday night when Russia scored the final goal in extra time to win over Netherlands."

Riojake - sex has both its risks and rewards. I'm glad to see the word 'almost' though ... regards. =)

Thursday night was even better - when Russia got trounced by Spain, she needed consolation sex. She's been with me a week now and is starting to become your typical demanding Russian woman. Probably either time to kick her out or start laying down the law.

I've noticed that once I start getting pissy and snapping back at her, her attitude changes quite quickly. Interesting study in human behavior. Like my old pal used to say, "Treat 'em mean - keep 'em keen".

Three days left in Moscow - I am tempted to throw this one back in favor of some variety, but damn - the sex is fabulous and there's no sign of it letting up.

been to Ukraine, he's telling the truth. That little shithole has nothing to offer. Forget going there if you're after a hooker, a wife, or even a friend. They all just try to scam you.