I mainly wrote this part as a reference for me for future trips.

I didn’t realize many of these things as they were discovered while I was mongering by myself. Perhaps sharing these things with you will force me to come up with new material to use later on.

It can get a little lonely if you don’t have a wing and this was the case with me for a many days this trip. I didn’t want to be one of these guys at the terma sitting by himself and just looking at the girls. It had dawned on me that I was one of these guys on the first day when girl came up to me and asked why I appeared “serio?” (Which means serious). I wasn’t being serious and realized that external appearances can be very deceiving and may actually turn some garotas away from approaching me.

I decided then that it was time for a little different approach. I wanted to have as much fun as possible even if I didn’t have a wing. As selfish as it sounds, I wanted all the garotas in the place to know me and come by even if it was to chit chat. Garotas get tired too and sometimes they just need somewhere to “park” – why not park near me?

What I needed was to befriend as many garotas as possible even if it didn’t mean I was going to session with them. I found that if garotas know that you are there to have a good time, they would naturally gravitate near or close to me. They would tell other garotas about me and before I knew it, I was never lonely for long.

The goal for me most of the time was to get them to laugh and have some fun conversations. It also helped weed out girls who were not fun to be around. The last thing I wanted to do was to session with a girl who was unenthusiastic or not fun.

Doing these things, although not in any order or combination, enabled me to have a lot more fun since I was going places mainly by myself due to lack of a wing. I hope it helps some of you out there.

There is room for a lot of variation and creativity. Most of this stuff I used to get a laugh. Please enjoy and always remember to smile:

1) Ask a girl to buy you a drink – She of course will ask for you keys. Tell her that you want her to buy you a drink because you are thirsty. This works well especially if there are a group of girls. You’ll notice that they tend to stay in groups.

To my surprise, a trio of girls at Solarium actually got my wing and I drinks!!

a. Variations –

i. Go up to a girl and take the drink out of her hand and drink it.

ii. Point to her drink and ask to drink her drink.

iii. If you are sitting with a girl you’ll notice that her friend periodically come by to talk and share drinks. Ask or take the drink from her - both will be very surprised.

2) Approach a group of women sitting by themselves. Ask/do:

a. Why are all sitting here? The clients are over there (and point).

b. Ask, “Quem namoro hoje?” Which means who sessioned today? Then you can ask about all the sordid details. She’ll be surprised that you asking because no guy ever does this!!!

c. Ask one of the girls to dance for you. She may:

i. Get up and dance for you as you check out all her assets. And you can choose your reaction to get her to laugh.

ii. Ask why? To which you may respond in one many ways. Here’s a suggestion:
1. “Porque eu quero ver teu rebolada”

d. A soon as you get into the boate, go to a group of women sitting together and sit right in the middle of them. I probably did this the most.

3) Girls are constantly primping.

a. Offer to help…..or not help by undoing her top. I remember one instance where the girl turned her back to me so that I could help her tie it. I asked her to turn facing me while I reach around with my arms pulled her toward me and started kissing.

b. Go up to some girl and adjust her outfit even if it doesn’t need adjusting just do it! It could any part of her!! I got a few girls that showed me their tits this way. It was a good way to weed out girls that had huge aeriolas which I am not a fan of.

c. After she finishes primping, react in a way that gets her to laugh. I usually say something stupid. Remember to smile 


That’s it for now. If anyone has anything to contribute, please do so.


There are a few things that I have held back on because they work extremely well and really stand out. The last thing I want is for every hombre to be saying the same thing. I may share with those of you that I know personally and under a few conditions. SORRY!!

Nice Report Tonyels. Great meeting up with you.

Dude, WTF? You make it seem like you need "to bring your game" the room. It's a fucking whore house man. You can seriously leave your pimping tactics back in NYC.

Girls are there to fuck, it is the only way they make money. There are 2 main things on their mind--1) Is the guy clean and 2) How hard she has to work in the room. Whatever else happens or is said is complete acting. When a girl grabs your cock, she doesn't like you she is checking out your size in case she needs to do anal to seal the deal.

If you want a drink, get your drink or call over someone whose job that is. Handing your key over to garota for a drink, means she has now claimed you as a client. Remember that your time is more available than hers. It is your decision to claim her, not the other way around.

If you watch the brasilians, they like to hang too with garotas and maximize their fun. If you watch, most have a bottle with their name on it -- gringos can do it too if you are regular. It is like 100R for a bottle of vodka. That bottle can last over a few visits.

It is my personal opinion to effectively separate yourself from the stereotypical "chump" gringo. This means no excessive bar tabs, garotas choosing the chump, and doing effective yet efficient interviewing. Rotate the girls in and out. Kiss them, grope them, as many as you want as long as they know you actually looking for the right girl to come by.

And why let the girls pimp the other girls. Fuck 'em, ask the other regular guys who is good or not. Guys are guys, they don't usually lead another fellow man down the wrong path. Girls are cunts. Why do you think the Centarus bitches want to push the "2-girls"? --- to get their ugly friend some money while they only have to work 1/2 the time.

Anyway, I am just saying you don't need to buy a bunch a drinks to befriend a bunch of whores to have a good time solo in a termas. Instead, tell the girls you and your buddy could have a great talking together without paying the entrance of a termas. That you are "safado" and there to fuck girls not your buddy. They prefer the Safado guy over the Chump.

They weren't gravitating to you because you were there to have a good time, they gravitated to you because they wanted a program and you're sitting in the bar with an unoccupied key. Nothing more, nothing less. Do you think they give a shit about making friends with a gringo in town for a week or so? I can't even count how many times a guy has picked up his "special garota" in a termas and done lots of programs, had her over after hours, all the usual shit, and they leave thinking she's hot for them and that they're special. You see the garota the next day and ask where the guy is and the answer is always "he went home, maybe he'll come back and spend more money on me" and they're off to the next string of guys. They really don't give a shit about one of us versus another. We're just a sea of customers and potential customers.

I understand that some - or a lot - of guys want the illusion when they're with a garota that they've gotten to know a bit that they're special to the garota, there's a bond, that they're hanging with you for reasons other than money. Generally speaking, for them, it's just about the money. Oh, they may like certain guys and dislike others, but the equivalent for us is liking certain waitresses/waiters at a particular restaurant. It's just a vehicle, for them a way to make money, in my example a way for us to have a good dining experience.

Now, if you live down there or do down very regularly, speak pretty good Portuguese, have a rep for not wasting time with garotas and are a steady programmer, then yeah, you're on to the next level with some of them. But that level is still a long fucking way from her being your bestest buddy.

As far as the rest, especially your extra golden nuggets of knowledge that you don't want us all to copy, again, creating an illusion for yourself is ok, just don't become delusional. You have money in your pocket and are going to a whorehouse, nothing more, nothing less.

Outstanding report but no photos?

Really great report! I happen to agree with you to keep it light and fun, makes it seem a lot less like a business transaction. Sounds like an awesome time. Looking forward to the next one.

Thanks for the report buddy!

Sounds like you had a good time indeed. As long as you are having a good time do whatever rocks your boat...

You guys are harsh on the guy for wanting to have a laugh or two with some ho's...

They're right, it is business for the girls. But I've sat down at the Del Rey here in CR for a while with girls I've taken before and had a drink and a laugh. It's fun sometimes.

But seriously, get some pics next time....

Jonesie

Tony
I enjoyed the couple of days that our trips overlapped and we were finally able to make those terma runs together.
FYI, I'll be back 4/2-10 if not also sooner. Any chance you'll be breaking away again around that time. Glad you had such a great time.
My biggest surprise this trip was how strong that talent and energy at Solarium had returned to.....like 5 or 6 years ago when it was by far my favorite. kmp'd

"Friends" is a strong word in relationship with GDP's. As Catacony mentioned, friendship will almost always be one dimensional. Money is the driving bond. Even when they are not working, there is always a little hussle going on.

No need to spend money, buy bottles, drinks (especially whiskey and Red Bull) to befriend them.

Younger Brazilian's are famous for trying to get as far with a GDP as they can for as little as they can. Keep in mind the majority of them do not have two nickels to rub together (at least a few of my Brazilian friends and my main wingman :-) I have, however, seen some old guys - and I mean old - buy bottles and share them with the girls. I don't see any benefit to this at all - the program stays the program, even if you drop R$200 in drinks.

I know quite a few girls and almost always along the way they mention "family problems", or whatever other fucking problems, and the need to "borrow money". My universal answer is always 'No' - they get a little pissed, but in the end we stay friendly (not friends).

just a quick questions...when you kiss a GDP in the termas do you then know that they have washed their mouth in the most alcoholic vodka there is... I mean come on...rimjob and BBBJ and so on....

D

Do they know that we've brushed our teeth after eating a garota out?

Come on guy, you're not talking about a street whore in Mexico or somewhere who wipes her pussy with a wad of toilet paper after a fuck and that's the extent of their hygiene. Of course the garotas brush their teeth and rinse with mouthwash and shower after a program, at least in the main termas we all go to.

Tony thanks for the trip report and your perspective on dealing with the girls.

I do agree with you to a certain extent, yes as others point out, the girls are hookers, and putas will always be putas, and the relationship is going to be based on money no matter what.

But also, if you can entertain the girl, andmaker her feel a little happier, odds are that she's going to have a better time, and that will translate into a better time for you. Not in every circumstance, but in a majority of them I would guess.

To me, it boils down to the simple fact, I've got a limited time in these locations, if I put a little effort into making a girl laugh/smile first, and I get a better session out of it, I think that's wholly worth it.

Sounds like you had a lot of fun. Isn't that what it's all about?
Great report. Thanks for the intel!

To Cat and Cincoleche-

Hold your comments on Tonyels. I hung out with Tonyels. He speaks Portuguese almost fluently. He is young and good looking. He is not the typical board member - like me he has a different perspective - he does not hang out in termas or places that are loaded with girls he can easily fuck for free on the first night in a regular bar.

Furthermore, when you are good looking, young, and funny (otherwise desirable in general), a programa for a gdp becomes less of a job and more fun, so the drinking and joking is relevant. The reality that some members tend to forget is that just because they are gdp's, that does not mean they would not prefer to have sex with someone who is truly sexy. Lets be honest, sucking a young, in shape, good looking guys cock is a much better gig than sucking an undesirable guy's cock.

On top of that, cock grabbing, while it may be a way to determine size, it is more of a tactic to hard sell and reduce your groping time.

So lets keep in mind that no amount of drinking and joking is going to make some members more desirable and enhance their experience. Everyone can have fun in Rio, that is the beauty. However, if you are a pimp in your day job/real life, your Rio experience is just different and you have a different perspective.

Copa, those things may be of value if you're in a non-putaria club in Lapa or somewhere on a Friday night. In a termas, those traits get you the same as a 65-year old guy with a credit card - into a cabine for R$200-285 (or $390-410 for you high roller super-stud types over at Centaurus). It's just a bunch of guys in robes and flip-flops with money to spend.

Listen Cat-

There is going to be an enthusiasm difference for a good looking guy and a bad looking guy...a guy like Tonyels will get a much different reaction from gdp's both in the boite and in the cama than some members...lets not go there.

I hear about how they don't want to fuck this guy or that guy behind closed doors...lets not go there...just because we are paying them does not mean that they are not human in that way...

They do treat people differently in the boite based upon appearance, it is foolish not to think so.

(Message edited by copabrasil1 on January 11, 2009)

Cat, they don't get Tonyels the same thing. He had more fun playing and flirting with the girls in the boate than just sitting there trying to decide which to do. I'm sure some of the girls enjoyed interacting with him, and I'm sure you would too because you know how fucking boring it can get for them. He's not saying he thinks any of them fell in love with him. He's saying he had more fun doing these things given the response of the girls, and that it was part of his interview process as he was looking for a fun attitude at the top of his list.

If all you want to do is fuck the girl of your choice, sure, you don't need to do a damn thing that he suggests. You're clearly happy with your terma experiences, and he is happy with his. What's the problem?

And my experience is that a girl who is laughing and energetic and is more attractive for a program. Yes? I mean, man, when I see the girls slumped in a corner frowning or just staring at their knees I don't have interest in them. He's helping the girls sell themselves, if anything, even if he's not buying.

Remember to smile!

Copabrasil1, I don't think it's necessary to dwell on issues of age or appearance, even if you've been good not to name names. Some people enjoy flirting more than others, and some do it better than others. Having fun can be infectious and that attitude can help anyone get a friendlier response in almost any situation meeting new people. Old ugly guys without a dime can make girls laugh, too. And people who don't care about making the girls laugh don't have to follow the advice here. There are certainly days when I just want to go in and make a choice and get out happy in the end.

Understood, and that hasn't been my point. My point is - In a TERMAS, the goal for any GdP is to have as many programs a day as she can. Her number one goal is not to be in the boite at all. Bia, in her heyday, it was rare for her to even sit down in the bar. They want to get the easiest, fastest program they can. The newbie with a key who, after 20 seconds of having his knee rubs, hands over his key, and then five minutes after hitting the cabine, busts a nut and relaxes for a half hour. That's who they really want.

Short of that, they'll work the room, but the bottom line is, they want to be with the guy who they think is most likely to hand over a key in the fastest amount of time.

Now, they have to do good some amount of advertising and spade work to get programs - unless they're like Bia, who again, didn't really even hang out in the bar. Unless a guy hands them a key as soon as they walk in the door, they have to work - at least a bit - to land a customer. Business 101.

Now Copa, will they tell you the would prefer to fuck you vs. someone - ANYONE - else? Of course they do. How many garotas do you know who have said they don't do black guys or asian guys or brasileros and a half hour later they're going up with a black guy? Well, they probably mentioned to the black guy how they prefer blacks and don't like to program with white guys and Italians and latinos. Tell the customer what they want to hear, as long as you can deliver the goods. Business 101.

If there was a competition to see who could land a patricinha civilian garota in Melt or some club in Lapa, then yeah, looks and language ability and cultural understanding go a long way. But in a putaria, in the end, I don't think it matters worth a shit. Brad Pitt could be doing magic tricks while standing at the bar in L, but if he's not giving up his key, then an old fart in the corner nursing a drink will get the garota as soon as the key is presented.

Broman, I agree, having fun in the bar is important, or should be, for anyone going to a termas. If not, just save the cash and go to a fast-sex place where you pick a girl and get right to it.

Cat-

I'm just tired of another member above ripping a guy who took the time to post his report telling him he was wrong...especially when I was chilling with the guy doing the same thing.

If I know a girl outside of the termas, during a rest period I'll buy her a drink or something to eat...we'll sit and bullshit and I won't even program with that garota...she'll tell me shit about this garota or that garota or whatever...I'll practice my language skills and it is good fun. I'm not a sucker for doing it...I know exactly what I'm doing.

I just don't like guys posting shit like Centaurus sucks (I like the type of girls they hire) or you should not buy girls drinks (when there are other guys at the mall or western union).

That's my rant.

As far as not liking the criticism that I and others on here make about a termas you like to visit, well, tough shit, that's why the board is here. The general consensus of about 90%+ of the guys I've met in 6 years of going to Brasil is that Centaurus is a clip joint and not worth the effort, but that's not the point here, is it? Feel free to give the place a thumbs up, since it's good to hear all opinions. Still, you don't hear many requests for a Centaurus run when the gang is deciding what termas to head out to.

Here's something else - as guys, in a termas, most of us don't give a shit how good someone thinks they look, how rich they think they are, how smooth with the ladies they think they've been, etc. Termas are a fixed-price whorehouse, plain and simple. Everyone should be there for the women, not to try and impress the other guys. We all pay the same and, as much as you like to believe, we're all treated pretty much the same, because we are all a source of money. It's a job for them, and the goal of that job is to make money, as quickly and as easily as they possibly can. Part of that - at least with the smart ones - is that if they provide good service and the guys walk out with a smile, there's a good chance there will be a repeat session in the future. Which means more money for them.

My evidence of this? Well, from opinions, reviews and comments from others, generally speaking, a bad lay for one is a bad lay every time. A garota with good service tends to be great for everyone. It's weird but, from my experience with termas and escort garotas, and even with girls I've seen from reviews on GPGiua and other brasilian boards, there simply doesn't seem to be a wide variation in results.

They have more than enough 20-year old guys wherever they live that they can hang out if they want the company of fuck buddy studs, right? They're not looking for that at work, at work, they're looking for money.

Interesting report and great post-commentary. One thing I'm surprised nobody's mentioned is how can anyone do termas for a whole trip and completely skip Help? For me at least, the termas lost some of their luster this past trip in late-October/early-November, with talent down almost across the board. And as Cat says - bottom line is they're a "fixed price whorehouse." The girls are essentially a "captive audience" with one principle goal - knock off as many sessions as possible in the allotted time. Whereas at Help, when you hook up you generally spend several hours with the girl dancing/making out, and then she's there with you for the rest of the night and well into the next day. All generally for a lower price than what you would typically pay for a termas visit (I never paid more than R250 last trip, and more often R200). Bottom line - if I had to choose between doing Rio without Help or without the termas, it would be an easy decision.

Hahahaha, Copa's got a point. I agree that at the end of the day, it's still business. But it is funny taking shit for buying a drink from guys who camp out at western union...

Generally speaking, its better to be young and good looking than to be fat, old and ugly. Fortunately, places like Rio dramatically reduce this natural advantage and the termas reduce it to almost nothing. They certainly work for this middle aged, balding man!

A young waitress will probably prefer to serve a pleasant, smiling young man over a bloated, cynical old man but both are going to get their pancakes and eggs the way they want them.

I agree it may not get you much more service wise to treat the garotas with a little more kindness and a little more like they were "real" women, but it isnt going to hurt and it will make their job and your time there a little more enjoyable. Their lives are tragic and they are, after all, young women.

Unless someone is saying something that is clearly wrong or detrimental we ought to lighten up on the criticism. There is no need to tear down each others experiences.

I enjoy hearing about other peoples trips even more so when they are completely different than mine. It probably is a good idea to mention your approximate age when you give a report.

Tonyels, thanks for the report. Wish I had more time to hang out.

Cat, you make some good points (in your usual charming way) about the girls just wanting to program with as many guys as possible. I have seen girls making out with 80 year old guys like they were the hottest guy in the place. At the same time, I have also seen girls avoid guys they do not like.

I do believe guys have differing experiences with some (I said some) girls based on attraction. GDP's are great at the illusion, but there are some things you just cant fake.

Although these girls are not your typical girls, they like to have fun just like all girls do. "girls just want to have fun" (Cyndi Lauper 1983)

I digress...the bottom line is Tonyels made his experience in Rio more fun for the girls and in turn, made it more fun for himself. For me, that is what it is all about.

Having nothing to do with mongering, my guess is that Tonyels pulls hot girls in regular US clubs without too much trouble. How many of us can do that these days? I cant, can you Cat?

There are no absolutes in life. That said, I have to pretty much side with Cat, here. There is more to being attractive to women than being young and good looking. That's a good start (and it might not be bad if some guys thought of it as a prerequisite to keep them from getting into too much trouble), but it's not the whole ballgame.

As I understand it from the girls, it is pretty rare that they actually have a "special" time with someone in the cabine. She MIGHT enjoy sex with one guy more than another, but they almost universally say that it happens extremely infrequently, and is not at all likely to result in anything "real." The Client-Hooker dynamic preempts any sort of actual, if fleeting, connection. If you have sex with her in the terma, you get put into the "Client" pile, and there you stay. Are there exceptions? Yes. Are they common. Not at all.

Most of the orgasms you think you're getting are totally fucking fake, I don't care how you look. On the other hand, she might cum with you, even if you're old and ugly as shit. Girls tell me, "I hate it when an ugly guy makes me cum. You almost want to hit them. 'Whyyyyy did you have to make me cummmm?'"

I knew one very good looking and very popular girl who had a thing for old guys. When she was young, her grandfather molested her, and old guys get her off now, and she's totally fucking worried that there's a connection between the two. She doesn't LIKE they guys. They just get her off.

There are no absolutes.

Women's sexuality is fucked up. Read My Secret Garden by Nancy Friday.

There are guys who go into the termas and act like pimps, grab girls drinks and drink them, do shit that they would not do in a regular bar in the U.S. They take advantage of the fact that they're paying clients, that the girls are looking for programs, and they run this King Shit attitude and do shit that they wouldn't normally do. Girls talk to me all the time about how this or that guy was a nice guy the first time he came to Rio, now he acts like he's the man and his shit doesn't stink. It's not fooling anybody. Look, hey, it's your trip, as long as everyone's having fun, go for it. But if you're looking to be the mack daddy, go do it in a regular fucking club. Then go and pay the working girls for a little sexual release, but don't get confused about what it means.

What I have learned is that you can't say that she actually liked the young attractive guy, you can't say that she didn't get off with the old ass guy, or the ugly guy. What you CAN say, with at least 99.9% accuracy is that either way, the guy was just another program, orgasm or no, and doesn't ultimately mean a damn thing more to her than any other client there.

My 2 cents.

Amen GP. But there is nothing wrong with trying to stand out and having a gimmick. As long as you are not making an ass out of yourself like some mackdaddy and blowing wads of cash. Tonyels came up with something that worked for him and more power to him. May not be my thing nor most of the guys that responded but so what. To each his own. Good report dude and don't let all the negativity discourage you. I personally like the reports that spark debates like this as long as we don't start with personal attacks and be respectful of differing opinions.

I agree with GP, don't get it twisted and think that you are the man (not directed at Tonyels).This is a business and a means to an end for these garotas. Their job is to get as much money while pleasuring us and ours is to get as much pleasure for our money. No need for game, looks, language skills, etc. Especially at a termas. Being young, in shape and speaking decent Port generally will not make much of a difference with these garotas. I thought it would but as time went on I realised the older, heavier and zero or bad port guys were getting just as much action or more. The garotas will tell you whatever you want to hear, as long as we don't lose site of that fact, then no harm no foul cuz it's all a fantasy in the end.

When I read Tonyels report, honestly, it put a big smile on my face. It was very well written, and he did a great job relating his view point and perspective. The reason it put a smile on my face was that it reminded me of my second trip to Rio. Yes, those were the days.

My main conclusion that I made from his report (regardless of age, income, attractiveness, etc) was that he was hooked. Probably one day, I would run into him at one of our favorite establishments.

To be honest, the rest of this conversation is unnecessary and unfruitful. It seems like a conversation/competition on which of us understand the female psychology better than the others. And of course, if you do not, then you are naive and being taken advantage of. It seems pointless to me, particularly in light of the fact that this guy wrote a nice trip report and it is clear he had a great time.

I think the reason he wrote the report was to share his enthusiasm. He also wanted to share what he learned. He certainly was not trying to imply that he is more knowledgeable than many of the more longstanding members of the board.

Can we have peace? It is amazing to me. Rio is one of the most fantastic places in the whole world. The contrast with the United States is stark, and it enables many people (including myself) to view their selves and the world in a different light. That's the point behind this board. To share these experiences, not denigrate those of others.

Peace in 2009.

Interesting subject.....In most cases it does not matter what the guy looks like or how old a guy is in a terma.....

With that being said, i have taken a guy to rio who is pushing 500 lbs; he has been a great friend and we also have a great business relationship...

in some cases he has been ok, but it was not until we were back in the states, when he told me that he did a dupla at one terma and all he got was a hand job...... if he told me this when we were at the terma i would have resolved the situation.....

with that being said....what would a gdp prefer?????

was it a conflict between the two girls in a dupla situation????

i do not know, i was not in the cabine...

the bottom line is be clean, shower and wash everywhere, with soap......

on this board....you read about the guy that was in the cabine and the girl was sucking his balls and cock at the same time....licking his ass....and then later you see the gdp eating a sandwich with a napkin....

CopaBrasil.

If your outward appearance is so important to you, then may I suggest you wearing your varsity letterman jacket and bringing your BMW keychain to Termas 400 in Barra. There you don't dress into a robe, and every single garota will simply gravitate towards your sexy hunk of man flesh.
Can you please inform all the CH members you are doing so....we don't want to pay the taxi out there knowing your are receiving double the pleasure for the same price we are paying.

When you show up, just flash your golden-boy good-looks and wink to the reception lady.....she'll let you bypass the 50R fee for entrance. Since you are such a fucking stud, the waiters there will pass you free drinks just to learn "your secrets of getting laid in a termas".
And when you exit that place, don't bother paying....

CopaBrasil said -- "Lets be honest, sucking a young, in shape, good looking guys cock is a much better gig". Since you obviously have experience in this area, then that really clean-cut beefy guy outside looking for the receipt. Just smile and slap him on the ass. It will give you a good opportunity to see how pleasurable sucking cock is in exchange for money.

This conversation is taking a turn for the worse. There is no need to bicker about this silly shit...

I think a CUSTOM robe with a very large $ sign on the back, and a smaller one on the left front serving as a logo is just the ticket

On the chat side the following post; Do you think we should have to give a truthful background on ourselves? AND THE RESPONSES it rec'd pretty well sums it all up. Besides burying the hatchet lets bury the egos..........

(Message edited by copperfieldkid on January 12, 2009)

Ego's need to be checked at the door upon entering....


CFK, just give the girl your key and order pringles.....cheaper than a condo.....

cinco...are you sure you are not cat's alter ego or other brother darryl????

cat...well your just cat and we know what to expect......

copa....well you can always be a spray boy....for the gdp's....

hemp.....just flash that smile and a wad of money and you pretend you are hef for the night.....

i know....what about the guy (no names mentioned) that would take cindy to the sultan suite and talk with her for the hour...just to keep her from fucking someone else....

NOSSA

Diversity, he always took Cindy up for at least 90 minutes, usually longer.

And CFK, the robe has to be dark colored, certainly not white, and you have to bring your own slippers or keep your tennis shoes on with the robe.

Ken, if what you are saying is true (I would never doubt an expert),the girls that were lousy in the cabine with me, are lousy with everyone. That makes me feel better. : )

CFK, I think we all have a very large $ sign on our backs in Brasil, we just cant see it.

Seriously though, I do think that speaking the language makes for a better trip. You may not get laid any better in the cabine than the next guy, but for the guys that speak portuguese it seems like they have a better time between sessions. Which is why I probably have more fun with spanish speaking girls.

Azguy,

I agree, and for years have thought about having t-shirts made with the large dollar sign ($) on the reverse and logo size on the front and selling at cost or just plain giving them to all the guys I see. I think Jag and I should go in together on this, Project'09 Don and Ken could handle distribution as the guys flow in/out of Copa, thus insuring all would obtain one within the year. Heavy beefy T's would be used, no cheap crap. Wear it proudly

CFK

Put a picture of an ATM machine on a t-shirt, that would be better. Or just a credit card.

CFK,
There is a sign on a telephone pole right out front of my business. It says "I buy houses" you want wear it? Im sure that will get you laid.
By the way where is CFK??? No one has actually seen him in the flesh for over half a year. Has he met his demise?? Is someone keeping him active on the board so they can continue to collect his ss checks? I demand an investigation.

Some new polls have arisen over this discussion.

Additionally, I was thinking about submitting one over to PreguntaPuta.com.br for the garotas:

"If given 150R, what foreign object would you like to have thrusted repeatedly into one or more of your orifices for 40 minutes?"

(Message edited by cincoleche on January 12, 2009)

CFK (if that is really you), you could even get one shirt done in pink for Jag. I like the idea.

I have been using my 4x4 robe here at home. Very nice, although the atmosphere isnt quite the same.

Lot of interesting points on both sides of the issue. I thought Tonyels report was good for the most part, and honest like when he mentioned how certain jokes or lines with the GdPs didn't work or fell flat because they didn't translate well into Brazilian language/culture. . . like the one where he gave the girl reasons why she wouldn't like him, smelly breath and feet, the chica took it seriously!

My two cents:
While it's true the girls are ultimately in it just for the money, I'm pretty sure your average GdP would prefer the work to be as pleasant or fun as possible.

Tony's report reminded me of a guy I hung out with in Bogota and Medellin who was a "life of the party" type. He had to be the center of attention and make the hookers laugh. I noticed many of them WANTED to session with him and probably wouldn't mind getting paid a bit less for it! ;)

Yes, it's true that in a terma, a GdP get's paid the same whether she fucks a "young stud" or an "old fart" but let's not forget women are competitive creatures, and irrational too. Brasileiras are especially NOT rational, lol!

So a GdP who sessions with a friendly guy who makes the girls laugh gets a bit more status than the one who gets fucked by the dour looking guy who sulks in the corner the whole night.

While I remain somewhat skeptical about "free sex" and extras with hookers who dig you, being funny and/or developing rapport with the GdP should usually help in having a more fun session for BOTH sides. That's just basic human psychology. And anyway, isn't the whole boate atmosphere, and the process that takes place in it, about having fun, about getting both you and the girl relaxed and horny. . . and then it's off to the races, or rather, the cabine. :0)

Otherwise, like someone else said, you might as well order in, or go to a massage place or straight-up brothel.

Phunlove, exactly! Women will always gravitate towards the alpha male. One who carries himself well and is the life of the party.

Alpha male, sure. Carries himself well, and is the life of the party, I agree with you. But one of the best definitions of the alpha male I've heard is that they bring out the best in others around them. So I would offer that, if you're joking and playing in a way that is fun and brings out the best in others, you might find girls gravitating toward you. If you're just jackin' around because you like to fuck with the girls or like the attention, you might be fooling yourself about what they're after.

Fuck, I never knew it was so hard to get laid in a termas.

You didn't see Mexidan in the termas last night...

Put an acorn in front of a squirrel and he eats it, put a Gringo with cash in a terma and.............

If he's staying at that youth hostel again, I'll pay him to pull a garota out of Help just to see the reaction on her face when he says where they're headed.

Hahahaha, You can tell by the manner of the comments who's older and out of shape and who's not...

Money is the great equalizer. Money can make some of you guys just as handsome as your younger, fitter brethren. But you shouldn't blame them, when you should be resentful at father time, your diet, and your training regiment, or lack thereof instead...

All you guys have hijacked this poor fellows report arguing about irrelevant shit. We're all paying for ass for different reasons. Get over it...

Money is the glue that keeps it all together. Always was, always will be. All this other stuff is just a way to get a little bit better service.
If you think the girls go for you because you are young, handsome and buff....think again boys.. take the glue away and you will get real ugly in no time.

Let me take the time to post something about this because I have read enough bullshit. There are too many guys on this website that just want to beat someone over the head, which is why I stopped posting on here.

For the original poster, if it worked for him, it's his experience, it's his reality. It may not be yours, but it doesn't make his untrue or naive, or stupid or whatever. Seems to me, some of you are just professional arguers.

Also...

"Lets be honest, sucking a young, in shape, good looking guys cock is a much better gig..."

While I would have elaborated on this statement a bit more to specify it in regards to how a woman would feel in general, I must say, when everything is said and done, there is nothing wrong, or untrue about this statement, and for those of you that want to go off on rants about how whores just want money and they don't care, etc, etc, it seems to me that you are a bit defensive and denying the basic instincts of attraction.

I have sat and watched girls move away from guys as soon as they have entered the room. If it's all about money and programs, why are they doing that? I was sitting with a girl once and this old guy comes in with shorts and black socks on, and we both sort of snickered, so I thought about it, then I asked the girl, so what do you do if some guy is trying to talk to you and you don't want to go with him, and she said that she will tell him she has to go to the bathroom or do something, and never come back. (So if that happens to you guys, well...)

So this is basically a silly discussion. Reverse the situation. Imagine all of us as men working in these places as straight male whores. Women come in and want to pay us to fuck them. We are poor and we want money, so we do what we have to do. Now I ask you, do you want to fuck the 25 yr old cute girl that comes in, or the 300 lb, 55 year old woman with the hairy bush, who by the way, wants you to eat her pussy and tongue her asshole? It's just a program right?

Yes, they flip a switch. They turn it off, they are machines, and programs are just programs after a while. It's just about the money and they will do any guy most of the time (within reason), but you are high if you think these girls wouldn't rather be getting paid by a guy they are actually attracted to.

Arellius, thanks for clearing that all up.

It is unfortunate you were tuned away from CH because people's opinions differed and there were arguers. It is not such a silly discussion at all in my opinion if so many people made valid arguments from both sides. What would be the point of a discussion at all.

There are those who truly believe that a garota would want some maverick hot stud fucking her silly for 60 minutes straight...and she will enjoy that. That a garota will naturally be more attracted to 25 over a 50 year because younger is always more likeable, sexier, etc. And that physical attraction is the main driving force for a woman much the same way it is for a man.

And then others think a different way -- get pounded by a hot stud you don't know or like might not be that enjoyable and actually could make you lose money because you are sore. Women still think Sean Connery is sexy -- he is 78 years old. A lot of girls who see good-looking guys all buff with hair gels and skin cremes actually think are gay or don't work and don't have any money for important things in life.

I do however know that Brasilians take public social behavior importantly. That is why a garota could do ass-to-mouth, but in public she will use a napkin on that piece of pizza. That being said, how does brasiliera look when some visiting gringo comes up to her, grabs her drink without asking and drinks it. I think a lot of people would think that would be rude, imagine the perception in Brazil. (But in a putaria, things have to be "perceived" differently).

Arellius makes a very good point: flip the switch.

This kind of discussion happens periodically in different parts of the boards. I think we all agree that YES is about money, otherwise us and them would not be there. Duh.

You rather hang around an fat/slobbery/smelly/pimp/nasty 'tude dude or someone who is clearly having fun and yes...he has a key too?

I have gotten shit before when remarking how the pros and semipros appeared to enjoy it more when you dressed nice and were having fun. I have been in places in the world where the pros will generally not approach the clients first(for cultural reasons...that is the rule...who knows?) where they come asking me to please take them (no they were not skanks and yes I was going to pay). I have seen plenty of dudes (younger, older, with more money) being blown off or hearing them complaining about the service when others report magnificent service from the same provider.

Ultimately is about how the dude is spending his money and having his fun. Let it go. Maybe someone else using the same technique would have nothing to show for (better performance, cash rebate lol)...whatever...or maybe it will pay off. That is for the individual user to decide and implement.

Finally, I do not see how in a discussion, see Cinco's comment to Copa above re "sucking"; is polite, productive or conducive to anything positive at all

I rarely post on this board (for a number of reasons), but I felt compelled to chime in on this topic b/c of the tired hater bullshit that has hijacked this thread!

What Tonyels pointed out in his report (and as several commenters have echoed) is that no matter how much you think you know about 'working girls', you have to remember that there are still HUMAN BEINGS who experience the same emotions as 'regular women' (and men for that matter). Note: I'm using quotes here b/c my mongering experience has shown me how false of a distinction that pro/semi-pro/non-pro really is.

I have mongered extensively in several countries for 5+ years and I actually still get surprised at how much better my experience is trip after trip b/c the girls find me attractive and charming. Whether it's a freelancer or a brothel girl, if they like you, you tend to get better company and better service for a better price (w/ a freelancer that is).

Anyone who challenges this basic truth is unfortunately most likely a guy who program girls tend to not find attractive and/or charming.

I know that this post may elicit some heated responses, but for those who still want to argue against this fundamental point, try hanging out with a monger who you think falls into the attractive and charming category. If you're not looking through jaded eyes, you'll see that the programs girls react to this guy differently, period.

Finally, my sense of an 'enhanced experience' is not based on what these girls tell me. As many have said here, they are working for a living and they'll tell you anything to bank as much as possible. However, it's the look in the girl's eyes and the way her demeanor changes that shows if she's into you or not. Come to think of it, isn't this the way it works with all women?

I truly feel sorry for those mongers who do not or cannot understand what I'm talking about. I have not had a more enjoyable experience in life than sessioning with a hot program girl who's into me as much (or even more) than I'm into her.

Alas, as they say opinions are like assholes ...

Here's another look. I agree that money is at the center of all things. But in today's world, money plays a role in everything anyway. So I want to throw out two theories that I have been developing.

1. All GDP's are not the same. Some are smart, some are dumb. Some are just in it for the money, some are trying to help their families (for real). Some lie, some are honest. Some enjoy their jobs, others can't wait to get out. etc.

2. All Mongers are not the same. Some just want to bang as many girls as possible. Others want to get to know the girls as people. Some pinch every penny, and some are generous to a fault. Some like the termas as much for the social side as the sex side, and on and on. Some guys go to termas to hang out with the guys as much as the girls.

Personally, I have never liked it when people try to put me in a box, so I try to not do that to other people. Take the time to get to know someone before you paint them in a box. That goes for mongers as well as GDP's in both directions.

Sensible points, BT. The worlds of GdPs and Mongers is not as black-and-white as painted by many.

Hell, my motivations sometimes change from day to day. One day I'm only interested in racking up numbers and getting as nasty as possible; the next day I'm looking for some high quality GFE time with one girl who's willing to act like my girlfriend. As I proceed through the day I might change directions a couple of times.

Wow...what a shit storm I caused. The bottom line is, sometimes (err, Cincoleche) you should listen to what others have to say, especially when they probably know Brazilian women better than you and speak better Portuguese than you. You don't have to agree but then again your not really in a position to dispute them.

One thing I've learned in this post is that there are some really pissed off people out there!

BT, you make some excellent points.

The question isnt whether good looking guys who speak the language are attractive to hookers...that's a given. Of course guys that look good can get amazing service, especially if they speak the language. They are just going to get a lot more attention than older and less attractive monger...especially if that good looking dude is a white guy as Latinas and Asian girls go nuts for Hollywood looking types.

The question is WHY a good looking dude would bother to pay for sex when he can obviously get it for free and without having to travel.

Blazers; The answer to your question is, the emotional baggage that goes along with free sex.

Sorry, but the idea that emotional baggage comes with free sex is complete horseshit. Women love to hook up just as much as guys do, and in fact the more you subtly communicate that you are not looking for anything long term, the more excited she will get about hooking up with you.

And while we're on the subject of communication, how about we mention the fact that speaking perfect portuguese won't do you a damn bit of good if you haven't got anything interesting to say.

Uh...Blazers: cuz you can lock, load, shoot and run? Without having the deal with the pre-sex courtship and the afterwards expectations?

Giblet, that's easy, they can talk about themselves

Blazers-When you pay, there are no strings attached and no loose ends (they won't tell your wife or significant other)...also, if you have limited time...also, how many parties have you been to where you can openly fuck three different girls (you find really hot) on the same night without leaving the party.

Gib, I have to be interesting? fuck

Gibletpie,
Com certeza! I've seen several guys who are fluent who bore the shit out of the girls. Combine language skills with one part sensitivity and two parts humor and you have a winning combination.

Sensitive and funny now? fuck. I have changed my mind. can I just pay?

Azguy-
That's the most wonderful part of p4p: you can just pay! And they'll leave when you're done.

As someone who has a live-in girlfriend at the moment, the grass is looking very green on the P4P side. Every situation has pros and cons. Enjoy the pros, downplay the cons!

Broman, wow, that didnt take long to get a live-in. Hope you are having fun down there.

Bwana, and it makes for a less complicated life.

and as they say, free pussy is always the most expensive pussy.

Azguy, no it didn't! I sort of wish it had...but I am having fun. Wish fluency came faster.

One way to work on fluency is to insist that your live-in only speak português, except to correct your mistakes or teach you new words.

Are you still taking a class at UFRGS? BTW, they also have good classes for foreigners at PUC-RS, and you can usually find grad students who will provide private lessons for very reasonable prices.

I've got a private tutor, 3 hours a week.

The GF throws in a lot of spanish, and mixes the English and Portuguese up on me. I do tell her to speak Portuguese and she claims she doesn't like Portuguese...sigh. She loves it when I talk dirty in English, which is a nice thing after years of seeing the reverse stereotype in the US.

LOL, they do speak a lot of "Portenhol" down in RS!