This is my last night here in AC, been here over 2 weeks with 4 nights in Subic Bay. The previous 2 times here was good experiences and no reason why this trip would be any different. But some things bothered me on this trip, no real fault with the people here, just my attitude on this trip.

Its about 5:00 in the afternoon, so I will spend a little time here to tell about my observations and experiences for hitting my final night out.

If you check my report from last July you will see a report on a girl from Roadhouse I call "shy girl" (real name Colleen)You will want to look over that report before continuing...I ran into her again and she immediately recognized me and seemed very excited to see me. Well I go into my usual routine and a friend of her latches on and indicates a threesome. Well of course I barfine both, have many drinks, go see other friends, buy more drinks, at about 11:00 I suggest something to eat before hotel, I start towards that little deli next to the Roadhouse, they suggest eating at the Roadhouse and having the deli deliver...sure why not...I order a sandwich, I don't know what the girls ordered. When it arrived the bill was 2300 pesos...The girls (which to be fair was the latch on girl, not my favorite)had ordered a feast for 6 of there co-workers. Well no sense saying anything at this point, what is done is done and I don't let on how insulting that was. After the feast we head to the hotel (Wild Orchid) half way there the latch on says she is not feeling well can she go home. Again what good would it do to say anything. so I pretend its perfectly fine and look forward to a good repeat performance with shy girl...Didn't happen, her performance was way off from my last visit, and let me stress again I made no indications of disappointment that would lead to a awkward moment in bed, if anything I was more charming this time around..

Summary..

At one point in bed I asked shy girl how long she had worked, It seems when I met her in July she had only worked 2 weeks and I was one of her first barfines, hence why then she acted more like a horny young girlfriend and not a hardened
bargirl.

Buying the food for the girls is the kind of thing that I would do on my own sometimes but boy do you feel like a chump when it goes down like this.

I have read other reports that stress problems with the 3rd joiner, I may have a solution...Buy the prospective 3rd drinks of course but make it clear that when you pay the barfine we will all be heading straight to the hotel, this may eliminate in her mind more food/drinks and then a possible bow out.

Another night I hooked up with a featured performer at Blue Nile (FYI..I will post pictures as a link to this report in about a week) I barfined her but she had 2 shows under obligation so couldn't leave til 11:00. A freak of a girl heavy on attention, we went barhopping and everywhere we went she would go on stage, steal the show and over half the time managers would ask her to come work for them, she was that good. problem was when we got to the hotel she all but passed out, dead to the world for 8 hours. and in the morning, under the morning sober stage from a tying on the night before, mechanical sex at best. Even with that being the kind of guy I am I invite her to lunch, she has a rehearsal at 1:00, but she can come back at 2:00.....Sure why not...Well of course a friend shows up with her, friends gotta eat too right? This time I have the menu and ask what they want, they both want hot wings. So I order a sandwich and get them a large platter to share. When it came out she was disappointed, I got the impression they both were going to get bigger platters with lots of doggie bags.

Summary....

There is no guarantee of a girls performance once your back in the room. But I dont believe you will ever get great performance (at least by my standards) unless you wine and dine to some extent, and spending time and money to get a dead dog, or worse, to be made into a chump, is exhausting.

Well I have much more to report but its time to hit the shower and see if love is in the air.

Bye for now.

Last years report is under "kemper"

That happend to me in Pattaya in 2007. I BF a very cute girl on walking street, then went to a street restaurant, she took a load of food $$. Then back to hotel she was on the rag and gave a shitty performance. Shit happens !
Because of these experiences i have resistance to BF hotties. But i still think i was just unlucky.

But I dont believe you will ever get great performance (at least by my standards) unless you wine and dine to some extent

I can't disagree more with this. Sexual Chemistry is sexual chemistry. More times than not dragging girls around getting 'em drunk and then stuffing them with food is gonna make them perform worse. I think the best strategy, especially in place like AC, make your expectation known up front. Then take them straight back to the room and get your groove on.

If it's a great fuck and there's good chemistry, then reward them with a barhop and food. Girls who latch on, ask them "where's their foreigner boyfriend to take em out?" And if you feel your are being taken advantage of, tell them how you feel and set them straight. That will get more respect and better sex than being the welcome mat.

If you didn't send money to your "shy girl" while you were away, then that might explain why she wasn't so enthused this time around.

As a wise man once said, "It's your vacation, it your money, you should be doing what you want, not what she wants"

The girls in AC can be a great value and show you a good time. But the only way signaling that you are a golden goose into better sex after your first trip is to lay golden western union eggs. Even if you send money, the girl will slack if you let her. But if you were a peso puker the first trip and then didn't lay any golden eggs, then in pretty much most of the girls' minds is to get as much for giving as little as possible.

After reading this rant, please remember being firm with your expectations and demanding they
be met should not be equated with being a jerk.

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BTW, can explain to me why you gotta take the girl to eat before you go to the boom boom phase? It's seems like it's obligatory in Thailand and getting there in AC. 90% of the time I am sex first, then eat -- and I am fast bastard. This seems to always work out well for me in China and Indo. I suspect the eat first thing is just a stall and hope to minimize the sex phase tactic by bar girls.

(Message edited by mongerx on February 16, 2009)

Interesting. Having just returned from AC, I had a very different experience. The food issue just didn't come up. I grabbed my girls, took 'em back to the room, and fucked them. None asked for dinner. I had snack foods in the room which we consumed. In two cases the girls stayed over night (I generally prefer to sleep alone) and in those instances we went out for breakfast in the morning. Two came over to my hotel to swim and I bought lunch, but that was pretty much it, and in all cases I offered the food and they didn't ask.

BTW, the quality of the sex was uniformly excellent. Only one so-so experience across 10 different girls. Only took two bar hopping, and in both cases only after we'd gone to my hotel for Round 1.

I don't think wining and dining are necessary. Treating the girls kindly and joking with them will get you a long ways. Puking pesos, as Mongerx put it, sends the wrong signal, I think. Those guys are the ones who the girls begin to treat like walking ATMs.

Since when is it a requirement to wine and dine a hooker, before we bang them? I have yet to do this in Pattaya like MX mentioned.

I had some of your problems in AC. I think the advice may be true. If you're too nice of a guy in the bar it brings out worse performance with a good number of girls. You're probably better off making it clear to them that you want to go back to the hotel for the first sex and will go back out for barhop after the sex. As to the take them to eat, you're always better off buying food at the hotel, especially room service. It eliminates some of the hangers on and allows for avoiding the buying of drinks for every ugly cousin before the boom2.

After all this is said these problems are less in Pattaya. The Thai girls are more interested in helping themselves then every ugly cousin friend in the bar. Also Thai girls are more worried about getting fat and will not order the three plates of food that AC girls order as a rule.

I've really come to believe that the your milage will vary rule applies more to AC than to LOS. I've also come to believe that the it's your money and your vacation rule needs to apply at all times, as hard as it may be at times to look at the girl and enforce it.

This happens to me on occasion when i let down my guard. It reminds me that theses are bar girls that may be searching for signs of weakness so they can extract the most while doing the least.

when you cater to all their wishes and do not object to things like 'ordering for her co-workers'...they'll label you as a chump and lose respect. happens all the time in T.J. mexico with overpayers. There is a finesse to spending money and being generous without being labeled a sucker. I'm still learning how to do this myself!

I'm also still learning.

If you are trying to impress them, fergetboutit. Only spend money to impress yourself and have enough left over from what you buy for yourself so your chosen guest(s) can partake, not their friends or co-workers.

Inevitably, if you do throw some money around for show or because you are just a generous guy, it just invites a dozen leaches pestering your for more. And then there is that whole "Respect" thing. Too tight and you are a "Cheap Charley", too loose and you are a fool to be fleeced.

Finesse is a good term.

"Too tight and you are a "Cheap Charley", too loose and you are a fool to be fleeced."

Completely right. One steady BF of mine was talking to me about his past WU sponsors and money throwers and i am telling you, they think your a fool and a looser !!

Working girls in Thailand that I have known and shagged don't expect to be fed as part of the deal. They're working, not going out on a prom date.

They will take as much ground as you give, but will not necessarily be more affectionate towards you for shelling out more cash. They may be more inclined to provide good service if they think you are likely to repeat the big-spending performance. You will be pegged as a big spender (read:sucker), and will probably be expected to maintain that cash expenditure to give them big face.

Whether they like you and find you attractive (and whether you know how to fuck and lick pussy) has more to do with the quality of sex than how much money you are paying, in my experience (which is now rather extensive).

Bingo !!
I would add a very important thing, the attitude of the guy. Smile, have fun, talk, joke, socialize with other guys.

In reference to the women, I believe its a simple matter of libido and the enjoyment of sex. I have found that in every part of the world(even in the United States), if the woman does not truly enjoy sex or have the libido then its going to make for an awful time in bed.

Whether a woman enjoys sex or not...has libido or not...they will still be more then happy to take your money. I wouldnt blame them, its just business and the buyer must beware. Its funny, in the United States, many women will waste your time and money on dates. Some women only have the intention of just talking, but will allow you to spend a few hundred on them. Women taking money from guys, but not providing any return is universal throughout the entire world.

I have a few tests of my own that I use to gauge the woman's libido. First, I look at the woman's smile. There is usually a devilish smile when the woman is truly thinking about sex. Second, I look at how she handles herself in the bar. What are the non-verbal cues? Does she grab your private parts? What statements did she make while she was with you? Grabbing a man's private parts and being vocal about intentions is a strong statement that is hard to fake. Is she rubbing up against you? Third, women get wet when they are truly turned on and there is chemistry. I'll leave it up to you to gauge this third factor.

In general, I would go with the woman who is displaying obvious signs that she is into sex, truly likes you and not just grinding away time. The thing I said about the smile is truly the indicator for all women everywhere. It has never failed me with prostitutes or non-prostitutes. If a woman cant smile in your direction, then chances are she is not down with getting naked and fucking...

One thing about Angeles is that I dont like to do repeats and try to make each trip a new adventure. Each trip to Angeles has a new group of women and that makes for better times. Its funny how I see many of the women from a few years ago who have aged and gained weight...its simply not the same experience with the experienced women.

Whether you are a little older, overweight or have a bad personality...it doesnt matter. Havent you fucked fat or older chicks in your life? Havent you fucked women with horrible personalities? Why did you fuck them if they were so horrible? Its because you had a high level of libido at the time and wanted to fuck. Its the same way with women. If they want to fuck bad enough, then they dont care about that little bit of grey, belly or baldness...they dont care if you said a few off things. Women that are horny are horny and they just care if you are just there and will deal with the imperfections.

However, Im not going back to Angeles for a long time. Its a nice place, but I have been there way too many times. Next time is either Thailand or Colombia...