Conclusion: Street girls still don't get it, and I blame the Mexican men for allowing these girls to set the rules. Why can't they be more accomodating like the street girls of Colombia. It is because we, the gringos and mexicans who are their clientele, allow it. If we all stopped taking them until they learned how to actually have sex, they would learn it. I had one experience with a real cutie that was almost comical. Everything she did was designed to shorten and ruin the experience, and she would not even discuss changing the rules. This girl would be gone in 60 seconds in Colombia.

But despite this fact...and because of Hong Kong Bar....I found TJ a place I am longing to go back to. Staying next door at Cascadas is a bit pricey but worth the proximity to the action.

Getting home. On the first of these two trips I was approaching the back of the line when a guy came up offering to get me to San Ysidro in a few minutes. He said it was $5 bucks so I paid him and he escorted me forward. I was thinking it was a van, but as soon as we got to the front of the line he motioned for me to cut in front of other people. He did this with such authority that others parted the way for me. So I did it, and got through in a few minutes.

The second time I was not so lucky. This time it was 7am on a Friday morning and the line was almost a mile long or so it seemed. The guy took me to the front and did the same and I got in. But we were stopped at the gate for about 5 minutes giving one local guy a chance to go to the gaurd and complain that I had cut in line. I could tell he was motioning to me. When I got up there, the guard told me there had been complaints that I had cut in line and I had to go back to the back of the line. I told him I understood and I began the long walk back. Then I spotted the van, got through the fence, and got in for another $5 bucks. They drove us up to the checkpoint and I got out and went back to my rental car.

I always park at the former World Parking, not called UETA and I paid $8 bucks a day. I have been there a bunch of times and never once had my car broken into. I was back at the airport in 30 more minutes.

Celeste is texting me everyday. I am getting addicted to her. I may have to find an excuse to go back to Tijuana and find her again. I am also concerned there will be drama between Belen and Celeste. I guess I have to go back to find out for sure! OMG please help me.

rm

Wow, great report! Brings back the old days of your classic RadioMan Medellin/AC posts. Too bad about their allergic reaction to photos. That's part of the joy of AC, photos AND vids no bitching. Not to mention no rubbers and no fucking clock watching.

Got a good friend I haven't seen in San Diego a long while. Your report makes me wanna check her out, then a side trip to TJ.

Thanks, RM!

You've got the wrong idea. The sgs aren't the way they are because of their mexican client, it's because of their overpaying american clients and the fact that they are heavily pimped and listen to whatever they are told. They are either way in love with their pimp or scared shitless by them....which is not conducive to good service/attitude/etc.

sgs in mde are typically not pimped. That's the significant difference.

Soc, what % of an SG's clients would you estimate to be gringos? I'd bet they're doing at least 80% Mexican customers. And apparently Mexican street girl customers are just fine with the top stays on, hop on, pump away, hop off when finished, with as little personal interaction with the girl as possible, like a live-action blow up doll.

Porker, I tend to agree with you. I saw only a handful of gringos on this trip. Maybe the economy is keeping them away. I saw a lot more Mexicans, and I agree with your 80% assessment.

Socrates, As for the girls doing what the pimps say, maybe they do. Does not change my point. If guys stopped allowing it and just said NO. And walked out...they would change.

I had the one girl Jacqueline in the room demanding money upfront. I told her no..I never pay up front. She said no...I never do it without the money up front. So i said...OK...I will just leave. I started to leave, and she stopped me and said...OK. Lets fuck now. I paid her later.

The point is, these clients allow these rules to be set. The girls do not get to call the shots, unless we allow them. We have the money. We set the rules...not them. If we stopped going to them without relaxing these stupid rules...we win.

I had street girls tell me 20 bucks for 20 minutes. I then offered 40 bucks for 40 minutes...and she said no...50. I then offered 60 bucks for an hour and she said no...cien. I said...do the math. It is 60. She said no..cien.

Somebody is allowing these girls to get away with this. It's us. And the Mexican clients that she mainly services. Thank God the colombianos know how to control their bitches.

rm

Pauly...any trip to San Diego is worth it to check out what I found. I would love to hear if you discovered the same thing.

One of my problems in TJ is what to do in the daytime before the action starts. That is why I always attempted to get a girl to hang with me for the day and was always rebuffed. I got the sense they did not want to be seen with me outside the zona. But this trip and the one before changed all that...and it made a real difference. I had some work to do on the laptop from my room, and then I would hang with a cute mexican girl all day doing stupid shit. It was fun and made the trip much more enjoyable.

But I did almost make a mistake of getting trapped with Belen. The second night I was with her I was watching the girl flesh go by and longing for something new and different. Part of the fun is looking for that new one...the newbie...fresh off the bus. I found a few and it was a great trip.

I could never spend more than about 2 days here...but if I can fuck 6-8 girls in two days, I am a happy man.

rm

If I could screw 6-8 girls in two days ANYWHERE, I would be a happy man.

Super kewl raw as a cherry girl- going bareback trip report. Brings back good memories. Funny - I always had good experiences with SG's. My green mango shake glass is raised to you!

I don't know what the estimate is, but I'd say during the day, it's primarily mexican clients but you're probably right about 80%. The mexican regulars I know that go with sgs get pretty good service from the girls at about 150p/pop. The standard they get is higher than what us foreigners get. The one thing is, which is big for me, is that the mexican friends I know don't really demand bjs. I think they are less demanding of them because the sgs strongly dislike them.

I'd have to disagree about the SG customer demographics. IMO, it was definitely true that most of the SG mongers were locals in my earliest years of going to TJ. I'd also say that the chicas were nowhere near as young and cute as they are now. Guess what, go on patrol in the bars and streets on a Wednesday or Thursday or Saturday afternoon in TJ, and you will find many more young adorables on the street than in the bars, including AB and HK. At night the Bar/SG hottie mix evens out or the bars take the edge.

So along with the upgrade in SG quality, seems to me that most of the guys I see picking up chicas in the alley and on Constitucion are gringos, which includes plenty of chicanos - white, black, asian, mexican american. Even in this age of severely reduced gabacho count in TJ, the SG subscribers cross. I also don't believe that there are all that many gringos wildly overpaying the SGs. I think most remain in the 200 to 300 peso range which is going rate for gringos - and yeah, almost every SG monger is using pesos and enjoying the 25%-30% discount.

It is true though that more and more SGs are being invited to extended sessions and TLNs outside the zona in nice hotels. That wasn't very common years ago and many of the padrotes didn't like the chica leaving her regular spot and hotel. But it is pretty common these days. Money is money and the padrotes have learned to appreciate that. The extended sessions bring higher payment, though not necessarily per minute, and they also bring better service. SGs doing short term are programmed to be always thinking about getting back to the spot and hauling another dick into the hotel. Get them in a nice hotel, get them in a nice hot shower or jacuzzi and scrub them to a fine shine, a bottle of Tequila or a cubeta of ice cold cerveza waiting to add further social lubrication, and knowing they've got what constitutes a good pay day for them without having to fish for more callejon codos, and don't they ever warm up.

Agreeing but still standing by what I said about most clients being mexican locals. They swarm the place in the am to afternoon hours and do all those chicas that most visitors bypass due to age, looks, etc. In the above statement, I should have put in an exception. Except for the top tier girls which attract foreigners...

As for the price range, I think there are quite a few mongers that quickly agree to 300-400p for everything with the hotties sgs

(Message edited by socrates69 on February 26, 2010)

Soc, I'll agree with that. Sometimes the girls who aren't attractive to a monger just get wiped off the the whole viewing screen and we forget they are part of the scene. So yeah, there are SG precincts where gringos don't participate in large numbers because either the area is a little dicier (i.e. Art. 123 and Ninos Heroes south of the alley - and of course west of the alley where a gender confused SG scene begins to unfold), or because the chicas are to put it as kind as I can, unlovely.

Radioman,

First of all, thanks for a very well-written report. It sounds as if you had a great time.

I would be leery of boldly proclaiming that "TJ is back" based upon the success rate that you reported in this piece. If my calculations are correct, you experienced a 33% success rate (2 out of 6) from the girls that you reported on. How does that compare to the success rate you have in AC or Medellin? Based on your past reports, I'd say it's MUCH lower.

It's good to know that there is at least one bar and a couple of girls in TJ that are trying to please the customer. (Based on a couple of other comments, it seems as if Tropical may be as well.) But as my old daddy is fond of telling me, "A blind squirrel can get an acorn every once in a while." You'll excuse me if I do not rush out to get a ticket to fly across Mexico to visit the most basic entry level course in International Mongering 101 - Tijuana.

Again, thanks for an awesome write up. I really enjoyed the read.

EA

EL A: I always appreciate your comments. Maybe you are right. Saying "TJ is back" is assuming it was ever there. I knew I was taking a risk writing a glowing trip report about a place that has been so frequently traveled by others on this board, and many times frequently trashed. Everybody who has been to TJ has an opinion, and most not so high.

YMMV certainly applies. This is all IMHO. I can only compare my experiences to what I found in the past at the same basic location. I found it getting better to the point that I visited the place 3 times in 2 months, and have already planned a 4th trip in April. Again, sin Hong Kong I would not be going again.

You are right about the success rates in AC and Medellin being much higher. I acknowledged that and would never have TJ above those places on my list of desired locations. However, TJ is easier to get to than both of them. I always combine business with my TJ trips. I can't really do that with Colombia and Philippines. It takes about 24 hours to get to AC...compared to 5 for SD. My last air fare to SD was $299, I got bumped to first class, slept the whole way. I took a morning flight and was inside some hot street meat by 2pm.

It does seem as I read these reports, I get more out of a location than others. I shoot for experiences above and beyond the usual "I came, I fucked, I went home." I think going for the extra mile is something that helps me have a better experience in ALL these locations, not just TJ.

There is alot about TJ that has not changed...and never will. The street girls will always give lousy sex until we stop giving them money to do it. The bitches in Adelitas Bar will always stand like a statue.

However, I have read others post on this report that other bars are starting to learn from Hong Kong. Right next door to Hong Kong they just spent a lot of money re-modeling the place. Tropical is supposedly doing more also. If more of these bars see the kind of business going in and out of Hong Kong they will get smart and do it too.

If the girls standing outside Hong Kong keep seeing the girls from this bar walking past them on the arm of a guy they tried to snare but lost...they may get the message.

This business is always about supply and demand. Always has been, and always will be. Hong Kong was packed, every time I was there. I never found it dead. From opening, till closing, the place was popping. The business they must be doing is enormous. If other TJ bars see this, maybe they will get the message.

I really don't want to see a bunch of drunk gringos with too much money pouring across the border to ruin this place. I do think it's useful information for others on this board. At least that was my intent.

One way I judge a place is the depression that sets in after I return. When I go to Medellin or AC I am depressed as soon as I set foot on USA soil and the only remedy is to buy another ticket back. Then I feel better. With TJ in the past I was depressed that I went there. I would sometimes wonder, what was I thinking? I had no real desire to go back.

Now, with 4 trips in 4 months, I am getting that feeling back. That never happened with Tijuana before. And I base this on a multitude of girls, not just one that caught my heart.

Just my opinion, but I always value yours and others.

RM

(Message edited by radioman on February 27, 2010)

RM...The fact that you speak decent Espanol has got to be a huge factor in your recent TJ success (not to mention your willingness to spread the wealth). I would hate for the monolingual monger to go there thinking he's going to get a lot of GFE going on. Sure, there are chicas who speak good English, but of course they are generally the hardened pros.

It is like I've always said, TJ may not be comparable to other destinations in terms of "hit ratio" - the chicas you come across will generally not be sure things. But with conversational spanish, and the experience and patience to separate the wheat from the chaff, you can find enough chicas to fill your bill for looks and performance and have as many que rico thrills as anywhere else.

TJ requires what some mongers look upon as "work" to get the exceptional hook-up. Others like myself who are not in a rush to get laid over and over again by different girls actually enjoy the process of the hunt along with the process of "marinating" a chica towards tender GFE when she may otherwise be programmed for robotic service. Ultra-veterans of TJ don't often get straddled with a bad chica if they take it slow and easy.

Discriminating world veterans such as Socrates, Blazers, and now Radioman know this is the case. I would agree with El apodo that Radioman's reports exude tremendous positive energy for one particular establishment and a few particular chicas rather than the TJ scene at large. I have always enjoyed his reports wherever he goes because I appreciate that he is the kind of guy who accentuates the positive and exudes enthusiasm. If he continues visiting TJ he is likely to find much more to like than just HK - especially with Pimsleur under his belt.

There are some well known TJ mongers who have a blast just coming in several days a week from San Diego and doing multiple short term quickies. In general though, the best of TJ can't be enjoyed unless one has more time at their disposal - at least one overnight preferably, and preferably at a decent hotel outside of the zona norte. Cultivate regulars and operate on an outdate format - again AWAY from the zona norte, and as long as you can avoid stepping into the PLM trap that most of the chicas will set for you, you will have as incredible time as any player can have with a working girl.

Having said this, I had the most sickening nightmarish session experience I have ever had in TJ - and it was my very last session on a trip 2 weekends ago. So yeah, even a cocky vet like me can get a 6th degree burn now and then. Actually I broke my pattern and with my no. 1 out of town, I decided to spend the weekend reacquainting myself with the zona and uncharacteristically doing nothing but short term sessions. I had one sure thing session with a SG fav who I've been repeating with for a year, so it was as good as it gets with an utterly beautiful 19 year old sweetheart of a spinner. But of the 4 fresh finds I sampled, 2 were just average but satisfactory for a 30 minute quickie, 1 was fantastic and memorable and excellent fodder for the future, and 1 was a nightmare of the type I have read and heard reports about since I first discovered TJ, but never experienced myself.

Erip: Thanks for adding your depth of wisdom which obviously makes this a better trip report because of your knowledge and experience.

Baxter, learning spanish was the smartest investment I ever made. I was spending an hour one way commuting to work, and wanted to spend the time wisely, so I bought Pimsluer Spanish I. 30 CD's of 30 minutes each. Simple. Listen and repeat. No writing down, no problem with commuting. After those 30 were done, I ordered Spanish II...same thing...another 30 lessons. Then I went for Spanish III...so in total I have had 90 lessons of 30 minutes each.

It took me about a year where I felt really comfortable speaking spanish. I do not think I am fluent. But I am conversational...and I have no trouble talking to the chicas.

My GFE's would not be possible in these latin countries without it.

But then...along comes Philippines where the girls speak english and ....whooooomp. There it is.

rm

Erip,

As a noted TJ report writer (and apologist) I respect what you have to say about Tijuana. However, I must repeat what I've said before: the best thing TJ has going for it is its proximity to the U.S. If you would put the TJ model in a location more distant from the U.S., it will only be serving the needs of locals (and probably doing very poorly at that.)

You have undermined the argument for going to TJ in your responses to this report alone. In one response, you claim to be getting as good or better services for similar prices in LA-area strip clubs. Why go to TJ if that is the case? (Rhetorical question – I know many reasons for going including legal issues in the U.S. or just the desire to get the hell out of town for a day or two.)

Above you say that in order to get good service in TJ you have to "work" for it. Most of us are in this particular hobby so we can AVOID working for it. If I wanted to work for pussy, I'd stay in the U.S. and hit on regular girls.

Additionally, I'll wager a lot of pesos that most of the "discerning veterans" you mention above use TJ as a stop-gap between trips to other locations because they are either located in SoCal or have business that brings them frequently to San Diego. If any of these guys are making special trips only to come to TJ, I would love to hear from them.

Let’s face the brutal facts – most service providers in Tijuana do a shitty job. They do not have the passion (or expertise) of girls in Brazil, the caring (or at least the appearance of caring) of girls in the PI nor the work ethic to at least fake these. (Hell, even Canadian hookers have a better work ethic than most TJ girls.) Of course, you CAN get these things in Tijuana. But, according to your own reporting, you need to “work” for it and drop a lot of coin. In the two locations I just listed, you have to do neither to receive those services.

I fully understand why people visit TJ. There a quite a number of people who cannot afford to take a week or two off to go to someplace like Brazil, the Philippines, Thailand or Indonesia. For them, a place like Tijuana or Monterrey is easily a no-brainer decision. For some people, Mexico is exotic enough of a locale for them. Other people cringe at the thought of a 14-hour trans-Pacific flight. For some, the associated costs with traveling farther than Mexico play a determining factor. I understand and accept that for those people. But claiming that Tijuana is a world-class destination for our hobby is just ludicrous.

Would I encourage people to avoid Tijuana? No. If you’re in the neighborhood, it can be quite an amusing time. Would I encourage people to make a special trip to Tijuana – absolutely not. Well with one exception – you’re a rookie international monger and need to have the comfort of being 5 minutes away from the U.S.

Radioman, sorry to hi-jack your thread. Again, I think this is a well-written report and thoroughly enjoyed reading about your exploits. If I get back to the SoCal region, I’ll definitely stop by and give HK a visit. Of course, I won’t be making a special trip there….

EA

I think some of the allure to Hong Kong Bar, as Radioman pointed out is the hard to find High Energy Flesh Fantasy Strip Show :

Hot, steamy, Musky, slut dressed Hedonistic Tramps wispering "I want you to finger my pussy" - in your ear - along with Metal/Rock music - a center stage with totally naked ladiez sliding back in forth down the stage in shaving cream eating eachother out. What a classy gig for the perverted afficianado!

Guys - this is arena entertainment in a way. The energy is high, the Beerz are being grabbed by the ladies on the stage and emptied on their tits. You can grab tits for a dollar - eat and poke pussy (that has just been washed by a beer) and lots of yelling - screaming - shouting - along with three levels of floors with a VIP room.

It's like being a slutty rockstar! You are in a back stage orgy - all the tricks are available for a fee.

I do miss it - but for actual GFE, I dunno... Now I am used to being treated like a king and never needing to watch the clock in AC PI.

El A...do not worry about hijacking the thread. I appreciate different opinions from people who know what they are talking about, and you always do. I don't think Erip was trying to say TJ is a world class mongering destination. Neither am I.

I agree with all your points about TJ and there are really two main reasons to go there. Close to the USA as you mention, and...the Hong Kong Bar. If not for this establishment, my report would not have been possible.

I agree with what Metal said above. This bar makes a trip there worthwhile. The pure debauchery of it all is worth seeing. I was lucky in that I pulled out 3 babes here that I could consider GFE material. I was not able to find a GFE at all in TJ before.

While I would never put AC or Colombia below TJ, I would say this about Hong Kong Bar. There is nothing like it in both of those places. AC has maybe 100 bars, all with the same basic layout and format. Atlantis is the only club that comes close in terms of design. I love the place, but even this club has the same basic idea. Put 75 to 100 girls on stage and have them dance to the same music. How many times can you hear "Dancing Queen" by Abba? The first time I heard all those cute filipinas singing along with that song word for word, it was hysterical. But now, I have heard it 100 times too many.

The problem with AC is that there is no real imagination. They COULD do something like Hong Kong, they just don't. This is why guys report here that they get bored in AC after a few days. I admit, I would get bored in TJ after a few days too, but I can hang in Hong Kong for about 2 days and not get tired if it, because everywhere you look somebody is doing somebody. I guess there is a little voyeuristic streak in me. I liked watching for awhile.

There is one bar in AC that might equal the debauchery, and maybe a few more I have not visited. Club Rio out on the perimeter. The difference is that the girls are really not that hot. In Hong Kong, there are some true 10's. In Club Rio, taking 3 or 4 girls into the back for an ice cube blow job for very little money is a kick. The fact that it is dark and you can't really see what the girls look like is also a plus. But Club Rio is a little dump. It is nothing like HK. There is nothing like HK in AC or anywhere, that I am aware of.

I have already made an excuse for another business trip to San Diego (Sorry El A, I may be the exception to your rule)...and I will let you know if it is just as good as I reported here. If Celeste is still there...that will influence my decision heavily. If I find Annie again, I may be a dead man.

rm

El Apodo absolutely hit the nail on the head with the points he made, most importantly is that the TJ model only works
because of it boarding to SoCal. As a frequent business traveler out to SD and Orange County, I would generally hit TJ "just for the hell of it". I was getting a business per diem and quite honestly I would feel bored out there on the weekends.
Don't get me wrong, if I really tried then I could get a good time. But as others have said, I had to work at it.

I would say a decent percentage of time I would find myself sitting in a bar and think -- "WTF am I doing here". I would sometimes go circle back and forth to Adelitas-CC-HK-etc. a half-dozen times, hoping (maybe praying) that I would find a chica that I would find attractive (both looks AND attitude).

For me personally, I am not paying a girl for sex unless at the bare minimum I am getting some skin-on-skin action. That does not mean bare-back sex, but some kissing, tongue action and naked bodies touching. My experience is that is really easy to get before even getting behind closed-doors in other locales. Those are warm-up tactics to get the guy to take her to the room.

Since I do not live in SoCal, I would never go there specifically for TJ chicas. When I was working in Orange County working, it was really even a 50/50 toss up wanting to go there when it was only a 90-minute drive.
I am certainly not flying across the country for TJ.

El apodo, my mention of experiences in SoCal and particularly the strip clubs were no more than a comparison to HK - not the TJ scene as a whole. I was surprised at RM's comments that HK was about the wildest scene he's observed in a strip club type operation, which were even backed up by Porker. So it becomes ironic that SoCal has clubs that offer what would amount to as much debauchery as one can find in the world in a public establishment.

I also mentioned that I don't partake in the Cali strip club VIPs because I don't enjoy the atmosphere as a good one to indulge in ultimate physical intimacy, and I don't believe the value is there. I contrasted that with MPs which are indeed comparable to value in TJ.

I don't have a need to visit TJ just to get laid - I have an array of outlets here at home, commercial and noncommercial. I go to TJ, and not so damned often anymore, for unique experiences that can't be duplicated in the U.S. on a commercial basis (it would be outrageously expensive). Just one of those is my enjoyment of hanging out in latino bars and dance halls - though ironically for me in the U.S., it does not feel safe nor do I feel particularly welcome. I don't feel these obstacles in TJ - the city that is supposed to be so incredibly dangerous.

I explicitly stated that I do TJ outside the zona in outdate format. I try to find time to drop into the zona and I enjoy it and I need to refresh my harem now and then, but my focused play and intense enjoyment of traveling to TJ comes from extended hours or days with chicas away from the red lights. City of Industry strip clubs won't supplant those great times, nor will a half hour to an hour in an MP.

I have never been an apologist for TJ - I just tell it like it is as I have in this thread. It is not for everybody, and successful chica cultivation I recognize to be undesired work for many. So happens to be fun for me most of the time and I'm not alone in that.

Btw, this site still has many members who cut their mongering teeth in TJ, and then left it behind when they discovered the attractions of Asia, S.A., et al., and they implored their TJ companeros to join them in overseas travel, and the element of TJ v. "The World" became a prevalent theme on the site years ago - but dwindles with time. However, the now dominant TJ site which has I believe around 10,000 or more members, few of whom go back to the early TJ sites including this one, includes many many members (including that site's owner) who regularly travel to other world destinations, but still embrace TJ when they return home. There are sections about the other destinations and plenty of photos on the other site. The other site is hardly a profoundly harmonious community, but the tension between TJ and the "World" is not to be found as a general rule...a bunch of hardcore TJ veterans who also travel the world and embrace it all. There are also a few vets of this site who even led some of the TJ bashing years ago, who have quietly re-immersed themselves in the TJ scene (while still continuing their world travels), but for reasons I don't understand, are reluctant to reveal their rediscovery of TJ's pleasures on this board.

I actually apologize for going on and on with this. But your posting opens up all the old lines of discussion and argument from earlier times on Club Hombre - discussions that I largely tuned out at the time (now they are so rare I can pay attention when they arise).

So it boils down to the simple indisputable idea that ultimate great times are there to be had in TJ for those of us who are constructed to enjoy the entire process. For those not so constructed, I completely understand why TJ is not a wise use of one's mongering resources.

I have never been an apologist for TJ

You would have had to emerge from your delusional state about TJ to apologize for it!

Spending hundreds of dollars (and countless hours) on a monthly basis on drinks romancing prostitutes is not a mongering model most in the world would choose.

Re: HK, the action is indeed blatantly raunchy in the manner Radioman eloquently described. It's not like things can't GET raunchy in other places, but rather it gets done behind a closed door. Again, most in the world prefer the latter...

Erip, you're not the only one I know addicted to Mexican GFE. I have a friend that I've mongered with in Asia a few times and he swears up and down that he likes Monterrey better. Of course he spends about $300 USD a day to get his version of GFE (and still only gets laid once, for the most part) and is usually hooking up with single moms who are close to a decade older than Filipina bar girls.

For world veterans that still have a good time in TJ, I understand the appeal, as El Apodo says, IF you are in the neighborhood. It's a lot easier to jump over the border than to take a week+ to head overseas.

Porker, if I had that kind of money to spend on fichas "romancing prostitutes", I'd be booking the Columbia trip I was certain would happen for me this spring - but the dinero is not there. I certainly have thrown some lucrative ficha parties on occasion over the years, but never to "romance" a prostitute, but only because it was a fucking great party and the booze swimming around my own head tells me not to sweat the expense. But unlike some other TJ mongers, that doesn't happen to me nearly enough.

My approach has long been to buy a target chica 1-2 drinks on 2 or 3 different occasions that may take place over months. If she tosses down the drinks AB style, she's no longer a candidate and we don't get to round 2. I evaluate the quality of her companionship over time - not in an instant when I can help it, and certainly almost never over a wide open voucher ficha party which I don't have the time or money for.

Once I've reeled in a chica, we go out and it costs me mas o menos what any non-commercial date would cost in L.A. (unfortunately TJs decent restaurants aren't less expensive than L.A.'s). But bar hopping and dance halls are sin ficha and plenty cheap enough. TLN cost is no more than many TJ mongers pay for an hour at AB or HK, or 2 crappy 30 minute sessions with BGs.

I haven't even raised the civilian front in this thread because most TJ mongers don't partake - despite the fact that the young chicas working farmacias, waitressing, factories and other unskilled labor in TJ are just about as easily available to a gringo of any age or waist measurement as a working girl. They would be insulted to be offered the TLN money, but they carry other burdens that working girls don't as we all know the "pay them to leave" concept, and they can be just as confounding in their behavioral patterns as the zona chicas. But I always disclose from the first that I will NEVER be novio or esposo and there is no green card hanging from my dick. I am a fun loving but genuinely caring amigo if they can hack it on that level.

Anyhow, this has been where I've mostly been playing the last couple of years, not by design, but because of unplanned happy circumstances. If you inhabit this city and speak spanish, the opportunities arise. I believe my last few widely spaced TRs focus on two chicas who had most of my time and energy in TJ going back to late 2008 - the first was a factory girl and a freaking VIRGIN until our 2nd date, and the second and still no. 1 chica is a chica who came to TJ last summer to be a hooker, but has not been able to date to put herself into the commercial stream, though still seems destined to be a pro. This one is a certifiable clinical nymphomaniac who while keeping me young, is also killing me slowly! I have faked snore filled deep sleep to be left alone for a few hours. The one zona pro I've featured during this time is comfortably in between these absurd extremes of enthusiastic virgin and out of control nympho.

These have been the times of my life amigo, even as I am broken down physically and don't have delusions to protect or endanger me.

P.S. Been multitasking - working, watching U.S. Canada hockey, and posting like a fool for the last few hours. Crosby just scored winning goal for Canada in OT! What a game!

I love tj and when I was going regularly, my travelling to asia and south america almost stopped completely. If I worked in sd, I'd live in tj and commute and would probably be satiated in TJ with very little desire to travel to other countries. It's really great there, but you have to work it a little and be able to speak spanish to a certain extent.

Socreates great idea but:

If I worked in sd, I'd live in tj and commute and would probably be satiated in TJ with very little desire to travel to other countries.

Would that mile long line make the commute a little crazy?

Erip says:

I have faked snore filled deep sleep to be left alone for a few hours. ... out of control nympho.

I admit I have faked an orgasm with a few of these hot babes, just because I ran out of leche. But I have never fake snored to keep her hands off me. That one I have to meet. She may not be working yet, but maybe a few guys here need her number. We could volunteer to work her into it gradually.

Whadya say?

rm

RM, when I first met her I became her first "trick" but she was reluctant. She was OK for going out, but not with a direct sex/money exchange. Told her I could not and would not enter into any kind of relationship, and I'd be the last guy to ever pressure her to sell herself if she didn't want to. It really is a cliche in TJ to break down the innocents this way though that was not my intent but I did know what would happen. Bottom line is as long as you let them feel they have control, and in my case I actually gave her control, then they very well might come around, and she did.

I assumed she'd become a pro, especially after sampling her talents and bottomless appetite. I knew that's why she came to TJ and her sister was already there for 2 years as a working girl. One night I invited her to tour the zona - go to where the gringos are, AB and HK. We ended up having an absolutely off the hook great time in both bars and she was seriously impressed and game. Talked to my fav HK mesero about working and he gave her all the info she needed. I assumed that the next trip to TJ, she'd be an HK chica. However, she couldn't do it - not yet anyway and 7 months or so have passed since that raucous night.

I am no longer surprised when she demonstrates certain nearly ingenious insights about me and also about herself. I suspect that she realizes that she would not be able to separate her actual sex drive from her work if she went hardcore pro, and that would not be a healthy thing - especially given her bottomless appetite. She is truly a clinical nymphomaniac - we all think we've met one in our lives as I did, but most of us haven't. You know the difference between a horny "sexual" girl with large appetites v. a clinical nympho when you are actually with one. It is NOT a good thing for the girl. It is a manifestation of something toxic inside of her - so I am worried about the source of this. She just tells me her ex-husband and her were wild sexually, and that continues to be her nature. But again, having no off button even after hours of apparent satisfaction, is not a healthy response. She reawakened me to the potential depths of my own libido which I have been too quick to quit on since I started accumulating middle age maladies and the daily pharma regimen to go with them - so she's sort of a savior to me. But as I say, she's surely killing me at the same time. I am thrilled when she arrives at my door, and I'm thrilled when she leaves a couple of days later, and I need our lengthy hiatuses when I stay away from TJ. So there's your yin and your yang.

UPDATE:

Celeste called me this morning at 7am. That's 4am TJ time. She was just getting home from working at Hong Kong. She was very sweet and told me how excited she is to see me when I make it back there in about a month. Her voice oozed sexuality, almost like phone sex.

She said something else in spanish that I did not understand. Something about my lenguista. She asked if I understood and I didn't so she repeated it slower. I still did not get it. I thought maybe she was asking me for money or something, but she said no, and repeated it again. I still did not understand, and asked her to send me a text message, so I could see the words. Here is what she sent:

"Yo gana de que tu me agas otra vez el amor. Me lanvas a la pusa con la Lengua."

Roughly translated it means: "I desire to be with you again my love. I want you to lick my pussy with your tongue."

It was very important to her that I understand what she was saying, and after I did she called me back and asked if I understood this time. I told her I would lick her pussy all night if that is what she wanted. She said it was.

Yes she is playing me for all it is worth. I am not stupid. But how can I turn down that invitation? I have already decided to go back for another "business trip" in a month, and will end up in her arms for several nights. Should be fun.

This kind of GFE did not happen to me before in Tijuana. I will let you know how it turns out.

rm

It might be possible that she was referring to your linguica' which is a Portuguese sausage. I have been referring to my unit as my linguica lately with girls in zona norte so maybe some of them are picking up on it and using it...stranger things have happened. I joke around with them that I am Portuguese and also have the Irish curse which they don't get.