By Nagafen on Thursday, August 22, 2002 - 08:15 am: Edit |
Since no one has posted anything about Africa. I'll cough up some of my experiences there. I worked in Ethiopia a few years back. I've been in many places in the world but Ethiopian women must be included in the list of both the most beautiful and sweetest. You get a real girlfriend experience with them that lingers with you for a long time.
Physically, they have big beautiful eyes. Their features are more similar to caucasian people with fine noses and lips. They are thin and very elegant.
Girls are very easy to pick up in Addis Ababa, the capital. Just go to the lounge at the Hilton hotel and you'll find a few beauties hanging around. There are also discos where any girl is available but I don't remember their names.
Ethiopian women are a little on the shy side when it comes to sex and not very familiar with the concept of oral sex. Some of my girlfriends (not pros) would tell me how wonderful it was to feel what it was like to have a man go down on them for the first time in their lives.
But I had no problem getting oral from them if I requested it.
I had one particular experience I'll never forget. I parked my Jeep at the parking lot of a restaurant where they would bring food to you. I was with two girls and they were both quite gorgeous. One of them, the shorter one, was too sexy for words. She had a face worthy of magazine cover and a nice round ass that would stick out a bit.
It was nighttime and there was a full moon. There was no other light source at our spot. The two girls started kissing me at the same time. Then one of them started sucking me while the other continued french-kissing me. They were quite skillful and it wasn't long before they had me cumming. But that was only the start of a long night of fucking.
I'd recommend Ethiopia anytime to anyone who's adventurous and would like to encounter a culture which is very different from anything we're familiar with.
By Rastaman on Thursday, August 22, 2002 - 11:51 am: Edit |
Great post! Thanks! - Rasta
By Tight_Fit on Thursday, August 22, 2002 - 11:23 pm: Edit |
The only thing I have tried from this country is the food which is fantastic. The one person from Ethiopia that I have ever met was a cocktail waitress at the Peppermill in Reno. Granted that the Peppermill only hires pretty faces this waitress was dead on concerning your description of the women. Gorgeous large eyes on a face that looked more caucasian, but jet black, than the features one typically sees in this country with afro americans. She sort of moved in a silky way in the semi dark bar area. A real class act.
By Bingo on Tuesday, December 10, 2002 - 09:12 pm: Edit |
Thanks for the post, I've noticed that on the website "foreign ladies" that the Ethiopian women are really attractive and it just so happens that quite a significant percent are hired at the local well known electronics store here, mostly as cashiers. Ethiopian women apprear to me to be elegant women, with nice features, very unlike most American Black women; I'd say they much more graceful, happier and self-assured.
By Tight_Fit on Thursday, December 12, 2002 - 04:05 pm: Edit |
"Ethiopian women apprear to me to be elegant women, with nice features, very unlike most American Black women: I'd say they much more graceful, happier and self-assured."
Now if some US Congressman were to say this......
Bingo, most of the black people that we see in this country are a mixture of multiple blood lines including that of their former plantation owners. As to the character issue it's not hard to see why they wouldn't have stronger personalities. They probably don't listen to rap in Ethiopia. They also know that their society reaches a long ways back with a rich cultural history.
By book_guy on Saturday, December 14, 2002 - 04:04 pm: Edit |
What (little) I know about American black heritages is, that most come from the Western part of the continent, from a different gene pool than the Ethiopians. I, too, find Ethiopian and Kenyan women gorgeous -- high cheekbones, lithe supple bodies, those almond eyes, yowZA!!
From the Western "hump" of Africa, Senegalese and Ghanaian people have wider, rounder faces and slightly lighter skin, and very flat noses, for example. The men were, generally, selected for athletic traits that would make them appear (to the slave capturers) to be good work hands. The women were selected for docility and even, in some cases, slowness of foot ... cutting down on their risk of escape and general trouble; but also increasing (in the 18th and 19th C's view of science) their likelihood to bear healthy children.
Also, in some areas near the "crook" of Africa, a proto-hominid trait associated with fertility remains in some female genes, called steatopygiasis. "Steatopygia" is basically a fancy scientific word for "huge-assed." It works like this: Whereas most humans can add fat cells to their bodies only for a limited time during infancy, childhood, and pregnancy, these women continue to add cells to their backsides throughout life. Humans can always fill or empty the standing number of cells that they have, but only the select steatopygic group can actually increase that number outside of the specific periods most other humans are limited to. Evidently big asses were a highly selected FOR characteristic and therefore a genetically proadaptive trait in the Palaeolithic cultures in that area. (So, don't go fucking too many fat-assed black chicks, you might create a mutation!)
Another point. There's generally much greater genetic diversity in any given African genetic unit (tribe, clan, country, whatever) than in any similar unit from elsewhere on the planet. This arises from the simple fact that humans have been in Africa longer. Consequently, across the range of human abilities and features, Africans will have both higher highs and lower lows, although their average will be about the same as any other race's average. So, we have more pro athletes who are black, for example ... higher highs. If there were a world-wide competition for who's klutziest, blacks would win (lose?) that one as well ... lower lows. There's an excellent article on this subject by the New Yorker columnist Malcolm Gladwell, himself a black man and a fairly successful high school track athlete.
If you combine all those factors -- steatopygia, round faces, flat noses, fat slow women but strong athletic men, greater genetic diversity -- you get a picture of some factors that contributed to the stereotypical misapprehensions. And also some factors that led to the "typical" American black woman, as distinguished from the East-African beauties.
By Rasdashon on Saturday, December 14, 2002 - 04:56 pm: Edit |
It really breaks me up at all the white boys on this board who think they are experts on Africans & Afro-Americans...You don't know jack!!!
The fact of the matter is that the Caucasians have done more damage to the world as a whole than any other race...that is the main reason why Westerners are so despised throughout the developing world today....
By Innocent on Sunday, December 15, 2002 - 09:57 am: Edit |
Rasdashon,
Don't start....
By Bingo on Sunday, December 15, 2002 - 01:22 pm: Edit |
book_guy, you're absolutlely right about the greater diversity of of the gene pool in Africans. I learned this because of the "out of Africa" theory. It's been proven to be true, scientifically too. I agree the Ethopians look different than the Ghanaese who are on the opposite coast of Africa. Innocent, there is no doubt Caucausians have committed many wrongs but you have to remember that even the Africans were regularly enslaving nearby tribes. It's nearly always been the case that the stronger group of people has exploited those that were not and this is true in any region of the world at and at any time period, including Africa.
By Rasdashon on Sunday, December 15, 2002 - 01:39 pm: Edit |
Innocent,
I already have....
By Tight_Fit on Sunday, December 15, 2002 - 07:57 pm: Edit |
Steatopygia.
Book Guy to the rescue once again. So in other words, Oprah is always going to have a fat ass and a big mouth.
Even if it offends the politically correct it's nice to see something that explains both history and current reality. I guess the reason why so many top notch runners are Kenyan is included in the genetic makeup of East Africans. And that probably goes back to the open physical environment of the area compared to the dense jungles of Western and Central Africa.
Do similar physical distinctions also exist among Native Americans?
By Rasdashon on Monday, December 16, 2002 - 04:45 am: Edit |
Tight Fit,
I would rather have Oprah's bank account than your poor peckerwood ass bank account any day....
By Romeu4ever on Monday, December 16, 2002 - 10:29 am: Edit |
gentlemen,
let's stick to posting on how to fuck beautiful women (in this case Ethiopian chicks) and abstain from socio-anthropolgical digressions that take away from the usefulness of the site.
cheers
By Tight_Fit on Monday, December 16, 2002 - 09:59 pm: Edit |
Rasdashon, my bank account isn't a perkerwood but it is ass poor. Why don't we split Oprah's account and both head over to check out Ethiopia?
By book_guy on Tuesday, December 17, 2002 - 03:09 pm: Edit |
Yes, Oprah will always have a fat ass, unless she undergoes regular liposuction I guess. Rasdashon, my knowledge of Black genetics comes largely from a Black source, Malcolm Gladwell. That's why I cited him -- to limit flaming such as yours. Africans, as a whole, historically have committed more genocidal pogroms and slave-trade on average than any other group, and continue to perform ritual clitorectomies, so be careful which group you think you're gonna assert allegiance to. "It's a civilization thing, you wouldn't understand." LOL. The rest of y'all: I prefer the Ethiopian "look" over any other African "look," and I think it makes sense because those are bodies which are geared towards today's beauty standards: longer, leaner, more supple, more like a long distance runner. Once I saw a National Geographic on the Huutuu (or maybe the Zulu? Tutsi? I remember the name had a double-syllable, like Muumuu or Booboo or something) traditional coming-of-age ritual for young women -- they oil 'em up, get 'em drunk, and tie 'em between two stakes in a huge circle and have 'em gyrate to show off their bodies to all eligible men. Wahoo! I wanna be a member of THAT tribe!
By Rasdashon on Wednesday, December 18, 2002 - 05:27 am: Edit |
Bookguy,
Oprah's fat ass has more money than you can count to....
By Kojak on Wednesday, December 18, 2002 - 07:06 am: Edit |
Rasdashon - Just because one is white don't mean he doesn't know about blacks and just because one is black sure don't make him an expert on blacks. I'm oriental and wouldn't care if someone tell a little history of china.
Why is it so hard to post some information here without getting stupid comments. I don't think anyone said anything offensive here till your little post blaming the world problems on the anglos! Some people always like to blame others for their problems but take credit for their success.
If you such an expert then tell us what book_guy said that wasn't accurate?
By Rasdashon on Wednesday, December 18, 2002 - 11:17 am: Edit |
Kojak,
It is safe to say that I know more about Afro-Americans & Africans than 99.999% of the posters in this forum...nuff said.....
By book_guy on Wednesday, December 18, 2002 - 01:49 pm: Edit |
LOL. You BET it's "safe" for you to say that, rathre than to address Kojak's request in specific. It's ALWAYS "safe" to CLAIM superiority without having to try to PROVE it ...
By Kojak on Thursday, December 19, 2002 - 09:54 am: Edit |
Rasdashon - Again "What did book_guy said that wasn't accurate?" Answer please!
So your only qualification is that you're an Afro-American right! That my friend doesn't make you an expert - it just makes you a Black. May be you saw the Roots re-runs. Or may be we all should just assume that you ARE the expert and the keeper of "the universal truth". As I said earlier that I am Chinese and I wouldn't not consider myself a expert on Chinese or China - just Chinese. And wouldn't get my underwear in a bunch when someone gives a little background info on China or any other country. I know that a lot of people know a lot more than I do. The more you learn, the more you will know just how much more there is to learned. In addition, just because it is a negative comment doesn't mean it can't be truth. There are negative things about people, places, and things that are true.
I come here to learn info on places I have been or might like to go. Not political views. Take you bullshit to some other site and let's get back to the topic at hand.
By book_guy on Thursday, December 19, 2002 - 12:01 pm: Edit |
My question really is, where is there a negative comment? I see R getting his 'underwear in a bunch' but I don't even see WHY, unless it bugs him simply that black humans are talked about AT ALL. There's nothing generally NEGATIVE in ANY of my statements. Geez. I can't even figure out WHY he'd be offended, much less whether or not he SHOULD be offended by something, much much less whether he actually KNOWS what he's talking about. Flame-bait, is all it was, as far as I can tell. I guess I'm guilty of responding ... blargh ...
By Kojak on Thursday, December 19, 2002 - 12:55 pm: Edit |
book_guy - I didn't see any negative comments in your post either. Just general information.
Guys like that is what sucks on these website. They use it for non-sense crap like that! They don't need a reason to jump on their little soapbox and start saying stupid things. There is no logic here to figure out. You're not Afro-American, therefore you know zero about Afro-American. That is his logic! And that he is smarter than 99.9% of poster here!
By Kidcisco on Thursday, December 19, 2002 - 03:26 pm: Edit |
Book Guy and Kojak here's it goes I really didn't want to enter this but, I had to.
I can't speak for Rasdashon BUT I can see why he could be offended when you went on and on about "WHAT TODAY'S beauty standards are longer,leaner, etc. long distance runner bodies etc.
The bottom line is that "NO ONE" can make or set the standards of beauty in this world, I had seen and went to body builder contests around the world also I been to many swimsuit contest also along with MISS FITNESS contest as well, as you can see there are many different types of WAYS TO JUDGE BEAUTY theres is "NO STANDARD" as you writing Book guy as what todays standards are, I been around the world many times in the US NAVY and I have lived around the world also due to my job, and there are MANY different types of beauty.
I have many black/white/asains/ latino's as friends they all have different taste.
And for you (KOJAK) I have one questions since you ask Rasdashon a question, you said that you was Chinese early do you have a problem with anyone stating how asains women are:
1. Short
2. Have Flat faces
3. They have FLAT asses or a NEAGTIVE ass
4. They have FLAT chest or NO tits
I have seen asians girls with ALL the above and I have seen many that are tall or had round face or had a round ass or had breast, the point is you can't but people in groups they are many different types, (DON'T START GUYS WITH THE E-MAILS) there are many that don't have tits,or ass, or have a flat face or are short, but not all.
Kojak like you said, neagtive comments sometimes can be true, but it doesn't mean one would have to like them.
But, this is why everyone can pick what they like in a women There are (no standard) this could be why there is a Miss Black American contest because maybe there were people like Book Guy that judge what they thought was the (Today's Beauty Standards) any never voted for a black queen there had been a few black ladies that have been winners hopefully the world will never have a standard for picking or judging beauty but keep a open mind.
A few years back at the Miss World contest there were the 1st (Black) MISS ITLAY winner that wear the crown for the county.
The point that I am making is without calling names but, I know many guys that love a lady that have a (ASS), I like a women with a ass as well, that's why I love going to (RIO") there in BRAZIL I will find more with a round nice ass then one's without a nice ass.
I know some guys that could careless if a girl have a ASS as long as she have a BREAST size of 40DDDDDDD and she could have skinny legs and no ass OR FLAT ASS. look at Pam Anderson.
But, Book Guy at one time what American meant have thought was in your words TODAY'S standard take a look at how many ladies are going to lunch to get SHOTS in their lips at one time no one wanted so called (BIG LIPS) NOW you have ladies mostly white American one's paying $$$$$ to get their lips larger.
Now, look at J LO (ASS), she is the TOP sex symbol of our age she is known meanly for her (ASS), there are reports of her insuring her ass for millions.
I was reading Playboy this month and they wrote about how todays hip-hop lyrics and music videos songs are about the BUTT = (Da Butt, Rump Shaker,Baby got Back,Back that Azz Up, etc.) look at the top selling videos of (THE ADVENTURES OF BUTTMAN), so there are many guys at there that love the so called (Oprah's fat ass) I like more of the SHAKIRA,or the Jennifer Lopez types or the Toni Braxton or Halle Berry type of ass.
But, don't get me wrong there are some nice white girls that make mine list like Britney Spears, or Anna Kournikova or Denise Richards THE bottom LINE is I like that ass nice and round.
What make this world a great place is that there are MANY different types of ladies that guys can travel to met or go to the local bars or malls or anywhere to met girls that they like and pick the ones with the types of bodies they like.
I don't like the word standard, what a person sees around his or hers trailor park or the local waffle house could be what he thinks is the world standards they will have a very limit amount of girls to make a view on or someone that travels the world is going to have a larger and more open view of different types of (people,foods,and BUTTS etc.etc,) and there want be a standard they will form a more of a openness of what the world have to offer.
But, Kojak I am sure you beening chinese you hear certain things all the time of putting trying to but groups of people from (Japan,Indonesia,Korea,Philippines,Singapore,Taiwan,Thailand,Vietnam, INTO ONE GROUP) that they all eat dogs etc, etc, I been to each of these places from my many years in the US Navy and I know that some of the Dumb ASS Sailors that went there thought that they KNEW everything about BEFORE they went to these places until they went there and saw things with their own eyes and NOT what someone of wrote in a (BOOK).
This is my view it doesn't make it right or wrong it just mine view you can have yours Book guy and you can have yours Kojak as well as Rasdashon can have his.
Guys, out there get a passport and see the world and not just read from a book or spend all your time on the internet sometimes you most see things on your own.
I have had talks on this subject with many guys that spoke just like Rasdashon and I can see why he feels the way he does, and I have had talks over the years with others that spoke just like Book Guy and they would always wonder (WHAT DID I SAY WRONG??? OR WHY DID HE OR SHE GOT MAD ABOUT WHAT I SAID) just ask TRENT LOTT I am sure he is asking the same question??
KidCisco
By Tight_Fit on Thursday, December 19, 2002 - 09:10 pm: Edit |
KidCisco, your posts are getting easier to read. There was an article on Yahoo tonight that you might enjoy. Some group did a study on Playboy magazine from the first issue right up to today. They found that over time the typical playmate has lost her curves and become more androgynous. I don't look at the magazine anymore but I thought that silicon ruled. Maybe not. However, we all know that Playboy set the standards for a generation on what was pretty.
As far beauty being in the eye of the horney guy doing the looking is a no brainer. Maybe the hassle here is not over what was said but how it was said. Attitude is always important and not just when picking a woman for fun. Personally, I tune out people who shove themselves in my face. Maybe they're right or maybe not but their message gets lost in their confrontational and arrogant style.
By Thumper on Friday, December 20, 2002 - 04:13 am: Edit |
By traveling and being a member of diferent websites I have learned more about what white guys find attractive. I always thought it was only us brothas who knew how a nice ass was like a slice of heaven. All the white guys I went to high shool and college with loved the big tittied, flat booty girls. Pamela Anderson, Heather Locklear.
Now I read posts all the time about all the fellas liking the big round booties of Brasil. BLEW ME AWAY!! I guess America's standard of beauty has slowly changed in the last 10 years. I never thought I would see the day when a white guy would like the big booty girls as much as I do:-)
Kidcisco they may have had a black woman representing Italy for the first time in history, but that poor girl caught hell! Even though most italian guys love dark skin women, they were furious that a black girl was representing their country. I was in Italy when she was competing and you should have read some of the things that was written in the newspapers, plus the radio and tv programs. They were pissed!! Just because the judges voted for her doesn't mean the general population felt the same way.
By Kidcisco on Friday, December 20, 2002 - 08:50 am: Edit |
Thumper, you are very right about the young lady from Itlay, the people in her country treated her like shit but I was very proud of the way she kept her head up and move forward and didn't show them the "HATERS" that they got to her, beside from what I have seen when I was over there she looked outstanding compare to some of the other girls that I saw when I was over there, but I felt very sad for her to had to go threw something like that in this day in times, but some things will never change.
I to spent time over in Itlay I was station on the USS JFK CV-67 a Aircraft Carrier, I had some great times when we pull into port over there, some of the best looking girls was the ones that were mixed or had some Black blood in them reach put out some hot young ladies with pretty tan skin/ long hair and extra nice round asses.
Thumper, I am glad to see that this is one issue we seem to agree on (BUTTS) over the years I have seen views change over the years on what people thought was pretty mostly (Americans) due to the media machine that we have here in the USA most of the world have a different view on what they think is beauty and many of my latino friends have always loved the round ASS.
Just think about this when was the last time a Miss America won a Miss World contest when she had to go up against the world? as you can see the rest of the world don't care or is OBESS with the BIG TITS the blonde hair or the blue eyes like most Americans are.
I seen more mixed race girls and people and just more couple holding hands and dating around the world from my years of travels compare to what I have seen here in the US of course some states here are more open to different races dating then other.
Just go to any strip malls and count how many TANNING SALONS you see there are more and more popping up everywhere, there are more and more people that are getting tans and spending their $$$ to get ASS IMPLANTS or taking the cheap route by buying underware with inserts in them to make their ass look LARGER AND ROUNDER and going to health clubs and working out for hours trying to work on getting their FLAT asses more rounder.
I have notice that like you said Thumper, about the guys in Itlay or just about any place in the world just read this website or any other and you will see how many white Americans and others that LOVE them some DARKED meat and they will travel half way around the world and spend hours on the airplane to find them some nice round black ass.
This is so funny to me but, to be really honest about this, how many guys out there would bring a black lady from Brazil or Panama or DR or even the US home to meet their parents or to marry one??? you see things haven't really change that much have it??
But, I have been reading different post on here for a long time now, and I really feel that there are some guys on here that would answer that question WITH a YES that they would marry a black lady but, I also know from reading other post on here with comments like (I couldn't believe this one BLACK girl from HELP disco in RIO she wanted me to pay her $100.00 to fuck her or I went to Help and there were to many black girls in there all 5's in 6's, so I went down to BARRBARELLA and pick up cute blonde she was a "10" and I paid her $200.00) or how many times have you read damn, I went to HELP in RIO and all I saw was BLACK girls with BIG ASSES etc. etc.).
I never could understand post like that IF you don't like BIG ASS or Black girls what in the HELL are you doing going to rio? maybe you should try going to Argentina or Chile or Germany or the United Kingdom or the Netherlands were you can find more of the types of girls that you are looking for.
Please stay away from Rio and leave all the BIG ASS girl to me and Thumper and Ceenotes and I am sure many other guys that love that nice round ass.
Maybe there is Hope TRENT LOTT JUST STEP DOWN!!!
KidCisco
By Thumper on Friday, December 20, 2002 - 09:33 am: Edit |
KidCisco you made me spit my orange juice out on my pants with your comments. I have joked many times with my friends about some of the guys who go to Rio to get some "brown sugar". It seems like some of the fellas get off the plane and run straight to the darkest skinned, big booty girl they can find. I remember saying "Now you know damn well he would get kicked out of the Elks club if his fellow members were to see him walking around with that sista!!" HAHAHA
Now before the whole board starts to flame me, I poke fun at myself too. There is no way in the world I would walk around in the streets of NYC holding hands with a prostitute, so just like every one else, I go to other countries to do my dirt.
On a serious note, I'm glad to see all of my monger brothers (black, white, spanish, whatever) having a ball in Rio. Nothing better than kicking back and sharing some of the wild stories between the fellas
By Kojak on Friday, December 20, 2002 - 11:21 am: Edit |
Kidcisco - I don't make negative comments on other people's preference in ladies or what ever. I know everyone have their idea of beauty. And many post here on their experiences in Thailand, Korea, China, and other Oriental country are useful information here.
Most people tend to generalize about things and people. I believe that is how people deal with information they gather. When someone said something as stupid as "(Japan, Indonesia, Korea, Philippines, Singapore, Taiwan, Thailand, Vietnam, INTO ONE GROUP) that they all eat dogs". It just tell me they don't know what they talking about. Koreans and some Chinese eat dogs. Of course I not positive being that I have never been there. And it is true that Oriental ladies tend to be small breast and have little curves. It is a true generalization. It doesn't bother me a bit when someone makes a true statement or even a false statement. But to take a post as an intended insult is just BS. I don't think that book_guy's or most of the poster's intention.
As for Trent Lott, public opinion are always changing. And as a politician he should know better. But this is not a political forum and people here should be more lay back.
The thing that get me going is small narrow minded people who thinks that if you're not a certain race than you can't know anything about the people or country and should not be allow to make any comments about it. You're right when you say get out there and learn for yourself. We could never learn too much!
By MrBill on Friday, December 20, 2002 - 11:25 am: Edit |
I would like to add my voice to the fray in support of BOO TAY!!! The only thing I don't like about Mexico is there are hardly any black chics. Sheesh, try to find one in Arizona for that matter Me and Roberto have been moaning about this forever (we're Nogales mongers).
The media has been forcing the bleach-blonde-implante-bimbo look down our throats for too long. And now we're supposed to like quasi-anorexics like Kate Moss?? YUCK!!
Me, I will be at home with my "Big Ass Black Girls" DVD until I go to Nogales tomorrow on my hunt for the biggest, roundest, most bootyliscious BUTT I can find. We gonna smoke an ounce to dat...
MrBill
By book_guy on Saturday, December 21, 2002 - 02:21 pm: Edit |
Kidcisco: excellent point about that one statement of mine, "today's beauty standards." Thank you for clarifying where I could have gone wrong.
I indeed should have written more carefully, to explain the point that I was only speaking about a subjective standard as "enforced" by American cultural export and exploitation, and that I was not presuming to believe that the women who happen to fit that one standard are therefore necessarily intrinsically more beautiful in an objective way. I had not meant to DEFEND the standard, merely DESCRIBE the fact that it existed and matches certain gene pools.
It IS out there, that subjective standard. I personally like it. That doesn't make me a bigot. But my statements could (if you were REALLY REALLY peeking VERY HARD with an INCREDIBLY negative attitude) be misconstrued that way (by someone who wasn't reading very charitably). I should have been more careful to remember that this subject does, indeed, bring the least charity out of many readers.
PC strikes again. Geez, we can't even DISCUSS black gene pools without someone taking offense.
In fact, re-reading my original post, I see that it's pretty clear that my tone is descriptive and not imperialist, so I think R should have relaxed. But since it IS a thread about international looks and international women, maybe I should have been a bit more definite about "internationalizing" my commentary.
Anyway, I don't apologize for my attitude or my opinions, as long as they're well-defended and rational. I do apologize for my half of a miscommunication, IF that's what happened. I thank K for informing me of that potential interpretation of the whole shebang. Frankly, I find it suspicious -- I think R was looking for a fight simply because the word "Africa" appeared somewhere in the subject header.
Heck, he doesn't even ASK whether I'm white or not. He just assumes I must be. It'd be a great surprise to R if he saw my real skin color ...