I guess this one of those "flubbs" right? Come on for all those who have served or even have an ounce of respect for the military...was it right for Obama to get this wrong?

http://www.lvrj.com/opinion/the-president-s-horrifying-mistake-124935579.html

Apparently Portege has a new hero: right-wing smear hack Frederick Sherman.

http://mediamatters.org/research/201003220062

http://mediamatters.org/blog/201005020005

Boys...

When this shit's the best thing you have to do...

It's time to talk to your travel agent...

Well all I can say is sometime in the next week or so Portege will have an 18 or 20 hour window of time when he will be able to post political lies without fear that I will immediately correct them. That is unless the airplanes I am on have internet connections for the passengers.

Well LAGuy, I hope you have good luck at your interview in these other cities you are visiting. I know Obama has probably thrown you for a whirl. Might I suggest you try actually finding work besides hanging out on Clubhombre all day long?

You dont need to come on here to defend Obama. Obama is going to be just fine. Try helping yourself first. You know what I mean? ;)

Protege, what an incredible idiot you are.....your bullshit posting just never cease to amaze....do you ever even vet any of these lies? Basically you just take whatever is posted anywhere as a fact and re post it as a fact.....more like a parrot, versus a person with any sense of reason or intelligence.

It might be way to late for you, but you probably need to learn a little fact checking first...

Portege, So where you come from unless someone is working all day and night long on a Sunday (and therefore can't spare a few minutes to respond to your lies about Obama, posted on a Sunday) they must be unemployed, or not making money?

In any event, you are making a fool of yourself generally and with your need to start four political threads within about 24 hours on a monger board. THAT is pathological.

Mitt Romney misspeaks:

On Taliban: http://politicalwire.com/archives/2011/04/26/romney_misspeaks_in_an_op-ed.html

On Obama: http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,304417,00.html

On Libya: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0711/58322.html

Point here - EVERYONE, at some point misspeaks....to make that an issue at all is absurd!!!

Protege is an armchair news googler - accepts anything presented to him as facts, without any intelligence to properly filter.

I wouldn't be surprised if he is one of those white trash crazies building a bunker for the upcoming invasion of the US government on his property...

Protege - Do you already have your "mommy grizzly sarah palin" bumper stickers on your car? Afterall she could see Russia from Alaska....

I guess Portege wore his dick out whacking off to CH pics, so he's turned to loony tunes political web sites for entertainment.

Jonesie nailed it...

I find it humorous that all you guys keep responding to an obvious troll.

Rule number one on any message board is Do Not Feed the Trolls !!
Do not reply and let his ignorance stand alone for all to behold.

You have a point Khun Mor, and I go back and forth on it.

Rightly or wrongly though, I am rather sensitive to those who spread lies about politicians, particularly those I support. From the perspective of a Democrat, there is a history of Democrats losing elections owing to lies spread by the other side, arguably the most notable example being the Swift Boating of John Kerry. Kerry did to not want to dignify the lies by responding to them (until it was too late) and his campaign essentially derailed as a result. The power of the lie can be rather significant and I don't discount they also go in the other direction.

I guess the issue is whether one should be concerned with trolls such as Portege spreading lies about Obama or other politicians. When I first joined this board I would have said no, both because the board doesn't exactly have a huge political impact in the general scheme of things, and also because Portege is an obvious troll at least to most of our eyes.

My views about whether one should respond to political discussions on this board began changing a bit when I learned that one of our board members who resided in Florida voted (as a sort of joke I presume) for one of the Butthole Surfers for President in the Gore-Bush election. Given that the Gore-Bush election turned on so few votes in Florida (although some would say it turned on one vote in the Supreme Court) it did highlight the importance of each and every voter. And given the casual viewer of this website may not immediately realize that Portege (or Beachman for that matter) is essentially a troll, there is some chance some of his lies could affect some voters, particularly if the lies are not responded to.

Now this may come as a bit of a surprise given that I spend too much time responding to political nonsense posted on this board (and on rare occassions I have started political threads), but I would be in favor of banning political discussions on this board (perhaps with the exception of those that DIRECTLY impact our hobby, such as attempts by politicians to pass bills that would ban sex tourism). I don't think the political discussions contribute anything particularly useful, and instead hurt the "atmosphere" here.

Would a newbie visiting this board for the first time this weekend be impressed by the fact there were four political threads started by Portege within about 24 hours and all kinds of argument within them? And more posts in the political threads than anywhere else? Is this what "hombres" are looking for when they come to this board?

Although Hombre tends to have a hands-off policy regarding what is posted on this board (with a couple of notable exceptions) wouldn't it be better if general political discussions were banned (as they are in all sorts of discussion boards)?

Technically, I voted for my girlfriend for President and Gibby Haynes for Vice President.

"Although Hombre tends to have a hands-off policy regarding what is posted on this board (with a couple of notable exceptions) wouldn't it be better if general political discussions were banned (as they are in all sorts of discussion boards)?"

I couldn't agree more!

These topics are already buried in an obscure off topic discussion thread. It would get buried and forgotten quickly if no one responded to the trolls outrageous cut and paste assertions and obfuscations.
It is kept alive only by taking the bait and replying.

I'm not quite clear about what you mean by "an obscure off topic discussion thread." When one looks at the opening Discus page, the political threads are displayed as prominently as everything else in the same bold letters. This weekend, the most prominent thing that was visible on the Discus page was four political threads started by Portege with obnoxious thread headings. These would have been visible even had no one responded (although admittedly they would have disappeared sooner from the 1 day search page). One couldn't miss them without poking out one's eyeballs, something the thread headings got me close to doing (I know, I shouldn't have said that, it only encourages him).


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Come on Laguy...do you honestly believe that what I post here might somehow skew a Presidential election? Are you trying to tell me you are responding to my posts because what I post here on Clubhombre might somehow change someone's mind and skew the next election?

I will give credit where its do. Members like Khunmor and Blazers are actually educated adults with a wealth of life experiences. They do have advanced degrees and responsible positions in life. Neither you or I could pass the tests they have passed or graduated from the schools they graduated from. They will decide for themselves on Obama. I don't even think they would listen to me or anyone else in that regard. What Obama is doing is out there for all to see and they will form their opinion based on his record...

We all have access to the internet, google, cable television, newspapers, etc. Everything can be verified at will. So you dont need to come on here and try to play babysitter to guys who should be intelligent enough to figure out on their own who they want to vote for.

In regards to political discussion, this is the place to put this type of discussion. It is not off-topic for this area of the board.

No one is forcing you to come to this section of the board and respond to the threads. Some people think when they click on the search feature and find this thread that they must insert themselves into it and respond. That is not the case. You can simply choose to ignore the thread and move on. If you come here to respond, it is by your own free will. No one is telling you that you must read and respond to the postings in the political section.

"Neither you or I could pass the tests they have passed or graduated from the schools they graduated from."

ROTFL.
If you only knew asshole. But at least you are half right.

I've got to agree with Khun Mor. Let the political trolls have these threads to themselves. They are impervious to information inconsistent with their ideologies, so why bother "debating?"

Over and out

Hehe. Let me tell you my reasoning behind my previous statement. Look at how both Khunmor and Blazers have reacted to my political threads. Blazers hasnt responded at all and Khunmor came in with a helpful reminder on how to stop these threads from continuing. Basically, you have to stop replying to the thread then it becomes me talking to myself. There is no sense in debating with myself.

On the other hand, you come in and want to be the protectorate of everyone on this board or the spearhead to make sure no bad information leaks out about Obama because it might effect the next election. As I said, thats laughable because a thread like this isnt going to influence the vast majority on this board who hold advanced degrees and have that higher experience. All of the facts and data is out there plainly on the web, in the media, etc. for all to see. Lastly, Im not the only one out there spreading truthful and factual anti-Obama commentary. You are going to have to battle millions of people posting this stuff up every day.

So if you had that higher intelligence then you would know that replying back to me is utterly and totally useless and not at all moving forward your cause to stop us anti-Obamamites from influencing the next election...and in fact we are not trying unduly influence any election, but simply stating our opinion and exercising our right to free speech.

What you are saying Portege is you are a troll. You put up these threads only to annoy people without any intention of trying to influence anyone. To respond to anything you write is to respond to a troll.

What a loser.

Bwana: Often people respond to political posts not with the objective of influencing the person to whom they are responding. For example, I never would expect that responding to Portege by pointing out that his facts are actually lies would convince Portege of anything. My purpose in responding to Portege is so that other people on the board who might casually view some of Portege's posts come to see (if they don't already) that he is an habitual liar and troll whose views should be given no creedence.

Affect is a verb. Effect is a noun.

One of the funny things about Portege's recognition of Khun_Mor's & Blazers' higher education and his (Portege's) inability to "pass the tests they have passed or graduated from the schools they graduated from" is that Khun_Mor makes the observation that Portege is ignorant and a troll that posts "outrageous cut and paste assertions and obfuscations".

Another amusing thing is that Khun_Mor (and I believe Blazers) can validate Laguy's education and "higher experience". Portege's posts here are just additional examples of his lack of critical thinking and his faulty logic that have appeared in most of his political posts and a fair amount of his on-topic posts.

"Affect is a verb. Effect is a noun."

An effective response to a post from a guy who affects intelligence but is clearly a taco shy of a combination plate.

Laguy is dangerously over-educated. I can confirm this.

I have no trollish intentions. The only troll is yourself. You do not care to discuss the topic I posted seriously, but just want to name call and trash talk. You want to "protect" the "casual readers", but I must point out again, that is laughable.

We all have access to the internet and many different resources. We can come to our own conclusions about either political party without the need of adult supervision from Laguy.

The facts are right in front of you such as high unemployment, high government debt, etc. If the facts are not painfully clear to you by now then you must be living on the moon or in outer space. Come down to earth, welcome to planet earth and understand that not all is well in the Obama administration and the majority of Americans are uncomfortable with his leadership.

Only a troll would find it necessary to start six political threads on the same subject--dislike of Obama and ass-licking admiration for Romney--within one week. Interestingly, no one has come to Portege's defense here despite that the Club Hombre polls suggest at best only about half of the membership support Obama. The reason people are unwilling to write a word in support of Portege or what he writes is not because he is right-wing, it is because what he posts in his threads--beginning with the thread headings--is obnoxious and devoid of any insight.

Hey Portege, maybe you should go back to something you know how to do effectively (given that arguing politics is not one of them). How about posting some more ladyboy looking pictures of "women" you have had sex with?

At least we could then be entertained by some of the ludicrous statements you have made on THAT subject to justify your propensities, such as "There are no "tranny"s in the DR. Some of these women live in the jungle still." https://www.clubhombre.com/discus/messages/1718/102306.html?1286112671.

Interestingly, it was Blazers, who you referred to above as someone "educated . . . with a wealth of life experiences," who pointed out in that thread that at least one of your "sex buddies" looked like anything but a woman.

So Portege, I guess the question should be what would Romney think?

Have you guys noticed that most of the really stupid guys on this board tend to support Republican politicians? Beachman, Portege, the list goes on.

Catocony: I honestly believe you are going a bit too far. You can't really generalize from a couple of instances, as striking as those instances might be.

I never had sex with any "trannies" or "ladyboys". All the women you see in my pictures are women no matter what you think of the pictures. If you are trying to embarass me in that respect, its not working and thats a weak way at debating the political issues involved in these threads. Why not stay on topic and debate the political issues versus going off-topic and mocking someone for their choice in women? You can mock me on my choice of women, thats ok, but do it in a trip report. Throwing off a political thread with a topic on my choice of women is a poor way of debating a point and I can tell you it will not stop me from posting my opinions in this section...if that is what you are trying to do, stop me. In fact, it emboldens and hardens my resolve. That is why I call you ignorant, because you are trying to stop me from posting however your words only embolden and encourage me.

As for people "coming to my defense", what does that have to do with debating the political topics at hand? You accuse me of trolling, but the one who is trolling is you by throwing off the thread with unrelated banter about statements I made about trannies in the DR. Now how does that relate to Obama's poor handling of the economy and the unemployed? Its not related and you point these things out to distract us away from the REAL ISSUES.

>>I never had sex with any "trannies" or "ladyboys".<<

Didn't say you did.

>>If you are trying to embarass me in that respect, its not working and thats a weak way at debating the political issues involved in these threads.<<

No, I was trying to point out that you say the stupidest things--such as there are no trannies in the Dominican Republic--that are often indistinguishable from lies. This propensity knows no bounds and shows up not only in your political threads but elsewhere on this board. Remember when you were falsely accusing board veterans of lying about prices in Thailand . . . before you ever set foot there?? There are members of this board I know who detested you well before you got involved in polluting it with a complete excess of meaningless political threads. If you have something meaningful to say, you don't need to start six fucking idiotic political threads on the same subject in one week. One idiotic thread should be enough even for a moron like you.

>>As for people "coming to my defense", what does that have to do with debating the political topics at hand?<<

People who start threads with lies, such as your recent "Clinton Admires and Endorses Mitt Romney" thread/lie are not debating. You are deluding yourself if you believe you are debating or trying to debate political issues. You are an obnoxious liar, not a debater, and to expect people to engage in a civilized debate in threads with the titles you choose is absurd.

I've been around for a long time. I have found there are lots of folks out there that detest and hate me. Hehe. That doesnt really matter to me. Wherever you go, there will always be someone who hates you. I just tell it like it is and if you dont like it then I dont care. I am focused on my business, having fun and being me and if you dont like it, then tough. Im still going to be here and out in the real world in any event. I do not exist for all people to like. If you are trying to intimidate me then I laugh at that. Plenty of people have tried to intimidate me and plenty have failed. In operating a business for 30 years and now on my second business, I've had plenty of people intimidate and fight me in real life with real fists. I wasnt intimidated then and Im not intimidated now by your words.

I think we have had enough of the "off topic" conversation, personal insults and banter. Why dont we get back to discussing the topic? Obama got the name of the medal of honor winner wrong. Why not discuss the topic instead of focusing on what I said in some thread months back?

I was going to add that if you are so fixated on some odd sentence I typed months back that somehow threw you off then you need to get some help. Everyday in my life someone says something negative on the street and in business, but I don't fixate on it for months. Believe me, I will have plenty of other things to say that you will be fixated on. So I wouldnt fixate on the DR thread, but focus on the things I say going forward.

I dont want to see you go totally crazy when all these words and sentences build up in your mind. Im not sure if you have a family or co-workers, but I wouldnt want to see them get the brunt of it because all these things are caught up in your head.

Portege writes:

"I have found there are lots of folks out there that detest and hate me."

"I've had plenty of people intimidate and fight me in real life with real fists."

Why am I not surprised?

So are we going to discuss Obama getting the medal of honor winner wrong?

Hey if its any consolation Laguy, I will get you a job. You wont be sitting on the internet though and you would actually have to work, but it would be a job and an improvement on your current situation. Jus trying to help ya out.

Portege writes:

"I have found there are lots of folks out there that detest and hate me."

"I've had plenty of people intimidate and fight me in real life with real fists."

Is there anyone out there who finds this surprising? I doubt it.

OK. I am not a fan of Obama at this point for the very reason that Portege suggests. There is more that could have been done to improve the jobs outlook and he did not get it done. I disagree it is because of things that he has done. It is the things that have NOT been done suggest as reigning in the banks. Getting control of the Fed, etc.

Despite all of that, I believe that Obama gets reelected. There are two major reasons.
1. Killing Osama Bin Laden helps him a bunch and will swing some votes his way.

2. The Republican field is weak. Romney is their best hope but he is a Mormon, that voted into law socialized medicine, and is a corporate lackey.

Once Obama is reelected, things will not get much better, because Obama seems unable to tackle tough problems. Then it is almost a certainty that a Republican will win in 2016, even if it is Sarah Palin.

+1 for Khun Mor.

Great action thus far at the Tour!

Pain is pain is pain. One year is a long time and many things can happen. My long-term investments in my mutual fund accounts were looking pretty good in 2007. I felt like a porn star having put in a little money each year for many years. Then at the end of 2008, over a year later, I felt like I was going to throw up when I saw the accounts. My point? Things can change quickly.

If things keep going like they are with unemployment constantly moving up and inflation moving up, then Obama isnt going to get re-elected. If your life moves south enough and there is enough of that pain, then just about anyone looks like a better Presidential candidate. Look at Trump. He goes off the handle saying some very uncorrect mean spirited things and gets 30% of the vote in the polls.

All Romney has to do is remain calm and keep focusing on the #1 main issue which is the economy. Obama is a rich and powerful man. How can he explain to the voters that he needs more time and it could have been worse when the voters are losing both their homes and their jobs? The voters have run out of time and for them it cant get any worse.

"Is there anyone out there who finds this surprising? I doubt it."

Laguy, I live life on my own terms...I do not live life on your terms. Im not being paid to conform myself to your needs, wants and desires nor am I interested in ever getting paid to conform to your needs, wants and desires. So if you dont like what I have to say then thats tough...Im not going to conform my written speech so it makes you happy all the time. In any event, if you are so closely monitoring what I am writing and saying then you truly need to get yourself a life.