Admin: Topic originally titled "All of the polls in regards to Obama indicate that something is wrong..."

I have read your statements in support of Obama. I can understand why you want to support him such as:

1) He is the first Black President, you want to see him succeed and so you give him more chances then past Presidents.

2) You are a pure bread Democrat and do not want to be disloyal to your party. You are sticking with Obama and giving him the benefit of the doubt. You accept his excuses at face value out of loyalty to the party.

3) You voted for Obama and do not want to openly admit that you are wrong. You try to find every reason to support your 2008 decision and your pride refuses to let you go against the man.

4) You prioritize hot bed issues such as gays in the military, healthcare, etc. to the top and dont mind if unemployment is still at 2-3 times what it would be normally.

Well, I could go on and on why you might support Obama and I do make sincere attempts to understand your reasoning. The fact is the majority of Americans are not comfortable with Obama. All of the polls seem to indicate that something is wrong. Do I have to post links to Gallup or Rasmussen or sites like RealClearPolitics? You have access to the internet like I do and you can plainly see that something is not working out with the administration.

My question to you is don't you recognize that something is wrong or could be wrong? Why do you continue to fly the Obama flag so high?

Porturd dropped:

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You are a pure bread Democrat

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Imagine a McCain/Palin White House, then ask anyone if they think they voted the wrong way in 2008.

Haha. How could McCain/Palin be any worse then Obama/Biden? Lets focus on the facts:

- Unemployment climbs and lingers under Obama to levels not seen in 30 years

- Many big-name supporters, like Jaime Dimon of JPMorgan, have completed turned against Obama. Also throw in negative statements by Alan Greenspan and Bernanke. Most economists and business leaders seem to agree that Obama isnt making good fiscal decisions and blame the slow hiring squarely on Obama. Are these "experts" wrong?

- European and Middle-Eastern countries rioting and out of control. Countries like Greece constantly on strike and riots occurring nearly daily.

- Unpopular questionable debatable policies such as Obamacare.

- Increased regulation across most industries. Oil drilling industry, which employs hundreds of thousands of Americans, a BIG TARGET for the Obama administration.

I could keep going if you like...

One thing is for certain. Under McCain there would have been no Obamacare, there would have been more friendly business and energy policies, there would have been relaxed regulation, etc...

No more matter how you slice it and dice it, unemployment is key in any scenario. Obama is the only President who seems to encourage unemployment through his unfriendly business policies. Corruption, division, and polarization are also widespread in the Obama administration...almost like the Nixon administration.

So I think McCain would have been a better choice at least for the 20 million Americans out there who remain unemployed...

(Message edited by Portege on July 08, 2011)

"You are a pure bread Democrat."

No, I try to stay low-carb and wouldn't support anything that is pure bread.

But more seriously, I take Portege's statement for what it is: a desperate attempt to support his claim in another one of his inane political threads that he is not well educated.

By the way Portege, given the faith you apparently place in polls I'm surprised you didn't cite the CBS News poll of about a week ago that showed that more than three times as many Americans blame George Bush for the bad economy as Barrack Obama.

I would not consider myself "well educated". I do not have a medical or law degree. Im just an average Joe on the street and I make no claim to any graduate level of education. I served in the military (drafted), owned a construction/oil related business for 25 years until I sold it and now am forming a second business venture. My name has appeared on the front-side of payroll checks and the largest number of people on my payroll was about 250 at any given time. You might see me disappear from this forum every now and then which is because I am busy growing my current venture. Sometimes I dont have time to give to these forums.

Im not knocking education, it is a great thing, but its not the path I chose to follow. Actually, I was mandated to follow certain paths such as joining the military. I was not a volunteer in that respect, but it did pave the way to my current ventures. In any event, I have no regrets and wouldnt change anything. Im proud of what I have accomplished and feel the greatest achievement an American can attain is to sign the front-side of a payroll check. It made me feel good knowing that I was key to helping someone else out support their family. I always felt like I was doing the right thing by hiring someone.

My strength is not in essay writing or public speaking, but managing, creating and getting the job done. So you might see some grammatical errors in my posts from time to time or see me trailing off, but that in no way should reflect what I have accomplished in life. When I need something correctly written or argued then I hire a person to do that.

As for George Bush, he is long gone and I dont play that "blame game". There are recessions every 5 or so years and I have lived through quite a few of them. I can tell you about the recessions of the 70s, 80s and 90s because I was there slogging through them first hand. There is nothing Bush could have done to prevent a recession. Recessions happen and no President, no world leader, can do anything to stop them. George is certainly no exception in that regard. There is also nothing George could have done to stop the housing bubble. Bubbles in all assets happen and there is nothing anyone can do to stop them. Sure, they could slow them down, but you can't stop people from bidding prices up to the sky.

In any event, I don't judge Obama on what George Bush did or didnt do, but I judge Obama on how the economy is being handled right now. Has unemployment moved up or down? Do business leaders and economists feel confident and publicly stating so? Does the average American feel confident? The truth is the economy sucks and unemployment seems to be a chronic problem. Business leaders are not confident. While the stock market seems to be picking up, the overall economy doesnt seem to have that same traction. So what is Obama doing to improve things? Certainly, a lot of this legislation and regulation (i.e. Obamacare) is not helping us out on the employment or economic front.

Blaming Bush is a weak excuse and a distraction away from the current issues. I ask the question what is Obama doing now...right now to help the economy. Certainly, Obama has been great for gays in the military and some other causes, but he has not gone to bat for the 20+ million unemployed or the homeowners who are underwater with their loans.

You call me a liar, but I am not lieing. I am stating my opinion on these issues and how I see it. I dont feel these excuses are acceptable and feel we need to give someone else a chance at the Presidency. Make fun of Sarah Palin all you want, but at least she did have some executive experience. Obama never held down a real job in the real economy. He is a career politician and, prior to the Presidency, he lacked executive or managerial experience. At least Romney has that executive experience and knows what its like to sign the front of a payroll check. While its an honor to sign the front, its certainly not an easy task...I would place my bets on Romney over Obama. What we need now is someone who is going to lead the economy and not try to break it or hold it back with legislation or regulation.