Last year I was happy that Osama Bin Laden was killed. At the time, I had thought capturing Bin Laden along with a Nuremberg style trial would have been the best case, but seeing how the 9/11 masterminds are being tried maybe it was for the best that he died. Its been over a decade of searching for the man with so many people involved at all levels. There were times when it seemed hopeless, but we pressed on. It was very important to bring some type of justice even if that justice was by way of bullet to the head. I am certainly happy he did not escape.

In the past when there were such victories, the President oftentimes gave all the credit to the troops and the many people involved in such maneuvers. Lincoln oftentimes congratulated the troops never once mentioning himself in speeches, but when there were defeats he would take the blame. FDR, in that same manner, had a pension for giving full credit to the troop never once taking responsibility for their successes, but taking blame when there were defeats.

I am not just proud of the SEALS, but I am proud of every member of the military who has served since 9/11. I am proud of the families and civilian workers. I am proud of the intelligence units such as the CIA and the NSA. I am proud of anyone who has been even remotely part of this operation. There is not any one man or group who can take responsibility for the death of Osama Bin Laden. Its really been a collective effort and many have given their lives for this moment.

The only thing I am not proud of is seeing Obama take full credit for the death of Bin Laden. Every President of the United States in the past has given the troops full credit. No President has ever used such matters as the subject of a campaign.

I wish Obama would have given a speech thanking all of the people involved these last 10 years credit, but instead what we got was a campaign speech saying how he did it. Most certainly, Obama wasnt on the ground these last 10 years with a rifle getting shot at or blown up. I am curious to hear the reasoning why Obama believes he cannot thank the troops. Why does he believe that he is owed full credit? What about past leadership like George W. Bush? Was he not even remotely responsible for this day?

The death of Osama Bin Laden was truly a great day, but the politicing which came afterward with the troops not given credit for the kill was a horrible day. Now they will have a movie about it. What a shame. Book deals, movies, campaign events with all these non-involved people making money off of it while the veterans walk away unemployed with PTSD. Im ashamed. This is not what victory looks like.

Pulease.

Too much regurgitating what you hear on Fox News.

My rebuttal:

http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/tue-may-1-2012/victory-lapse---the-anniversary-of-osama-bin-laden-s-death

Best quote:

"Look, Republicans, yeah, the Obama ad, kinda shitty, a little bit of a cheap shot, but the only reason you're pissed is that you didn’t get to run it, because let's face it, if bin Laden had been killed on Bush's watch, this would have been the ad you're running with."

Your "thanks" issue is addressed there as well. But no need to let facts get in the way of a good Fox News talking point regurgitation.

Here is another gem on Ed Gillespie's hypocrisy on this whole issue:

http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/tue-may-1-2012/victory-lapse

Best quote from the second video:

"So let me get this straight. Republicans, you are annoyed by the arrogance and braggadocio of a wartime president’s political ad? You think he is divisively and unfairly belittling his opponents. I see. Have a question. Are you on crack? Were you alive lo these past ten years? It seems unseemly for the president to spike the football. Bush landed on a fucking aircraft carrier with a football stuffed codpiece, he spiked the football before the game had even started!"


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Politicizing something?

Remember Dick Cheney saying we would get hit again if we elected John Kerry?

"If we make the wrong choice, then the danger is that we'll get hit again -- that we'll be hit in a way that will be devastating from the standpoint of the United States," Cheney said.

http://articles.cnn.com/2004-09-07/politics/cheney.terror_1_dick-cheney-edwards-of-north-carolina-kerry-administration?_s=PM:ALLPOLITICS


(Message edited by xenono on May 06, 2012)

I seem to remember the Republicans making a HUGE political statement about 9/11 and using it as an opportunity to start another war. A war that took our eyes off the real target.

Re: chasing Waldo, errr, Osama for 10 years, Bush outsourced kidnapping/torture of "terror suspects" (rendition) --

Why wouldn't they outsource getting Osama to the Mossad? Would have saved a useless and still ongoing trillion dollar war in Afghanistan, and would have taken, what 6 months, tops?

Why does anybody still respond to this moron after all the crap he has regurgitated from Faux News.

If no one answered perhaps he would get lonely and just go away. Then again I'm sure he is used to talking to himself.

George W. Bush did capture, try and execute Hussein, but he didnt run on that. He congratulated the troops first and foremost. He never created a Youtube video or any kind of advertisement taking credit. In fact, he always spoke as if he was uninvolved giving all the credit to the troops:

"The success of yesterday's mission is a tribute to our men and women now serving in Iraq. The operation was based on the superb work of intelligence analysts who found the dictator's footprints in a vast country. The operation was carried out with skill and precision by a brave fighting force. Our servicemen and women and our coalition allies have faced many dangers in the hunt for members of the fallen regime, and in their effort to bring hope and freedom to the Iraqi people. Their work continues, and so do the risks. Today, on behalf of the nation, I thank the members of our Armed Forces and I congratulate 'em.

I also have a message for all Americans: The capture of Saddam Hussein does not mean the end of violence in Iraq. We still face terrorists who would rather go on killing the innocent than accept the rise of liberty in the heart of the Middle East. Such men are a direct threat to the American people, and they will be defeated.

We've come to this moment through patience and resolve and focused action. And that is our strategy moving forward. The war on terror is a different kind of war, waged capture by capture, cell by cell, and victory by victory. Our security is assured by our perseverance and by our sure belief in the success of liberty. And the United States of America will not relent until this war is won.

May God bless the people of Iraq, and may God bless America."


So, nope, George W. Bush would never use the troops in a campaign and he would never take credit for anything that they did. However, he would take full responsibility if something went wrong. Obama is exactly the opposite pushing blame on others and taking credit in regards to any successes. What a selfish man.

Question, exactly what did Saddam Hussein do to the United States? (Other than piss off Bush's daddy?) Oh yeah, it was those weapons of mass destruction. Remind us how the hunt for those went under Bush the Evil's regime?

While your at it, how about the systematic removal of basic AMERICAN rights and fear-mongering that occurred under the last president? Care to tell us how that helped catch bin Laden?

Continuing on, would you like to discuss how the removal of basic government oversight in the banking and corporate worlds under Bush allowed the U.S. to focus on bin Laden instead of a collapsing economy?

And finally, explain Bush's coziness with Ken Lay. (Oil wasn't a contributing factor to the invasion of Iraq now was it?)

If you can do all of that without making me puke, I MIGHT be willing to listen to you cry about Obama. Good luck, you're going to need it.

EA

Capturing and killing Hussein was a true low point in American foreign policy. Here's how to interpret the act properly.

Bush was incapable of focusing on anything, so resources were spread all over the globe for his fucking "global was on terrorism." The lack of focus meant he couldn't find Waldo...errrrr, bin Laden. So what's a frustrated president to do? Find another guy with low public opinion ratings, trump up evidence that he's a bad guy out to hurt Americans, and kill him instead. Bush just copped the magician's standard distraction technique, and killed Hussein in hopes that we'd forget his failure to locate and take out the real target. The tactic worked on people like Portege and the Faux News crowd. Of course, the whole fucking ruse came at the expense of thousands of American lives and hundreds of thousands of Iraqi lives, but we shouldn't dwell on that, should we? Bush got Hussein.

As for Bush taking full credit for something that went wrong on his watch, I didn't hear him stepping up to the plate and owning the intelligence failures that let 9/11 happen.

Portege said:

The only thing I am not proud of is seeing Obama take full credit for the death of Bin Laden. Every President of the United States in the past has given the troops full credit. No President has ever used such matters as the subject of a campaign.

Obama said (from his speech announcing the death of bin Laden):

Over the last 10 years, thanks to the tireless and heroic work of our military and our counterterrorism professionals, we’ve made great strides in that effort. We’ve disrupted terrorist attacks and strengthened our homeland defense. In Afghanistan, we removed the Taliban government, which had given bin Laden and al Qaeda safe haven and support. And around the globe, we worked with our friends and allies to capture or kill scores of al Qaeda terrorists, including several who were a part of the 9/11 plot.

Today, at my direction, the United States launched a targeted operation against that compound in Abbottabad, Pakistan. A small team of Americans carried out the operation with extraordinary courage and capability. No Americans were harmed. They took care to avoid civilian casualties. After a firefight, they killed Osama bin Laden and took custody of his body.

Tonight, we give thanks to the countless intelligence and counterterrorism professionals who’ve worked tirelessly to achieve this outcome. The American people do not see their work, nor know their names. But tonight, they feel the satisfaction of their work and the result of their pursuit of justice.

We give thanks for the men who carried out this operation, for they exemplify the professionalism, patriotism, and unparalleled courage of those who serve our country. And they are part of a generation that has borne the heaviest share of the burden since that September day.

Finally, let me say to the families who lost loved ones on 9/11 that we have never forgotten your loss, nor wavered in our commitment to see that we do whatever it takes to prevent another attack on our shores.

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I almost feel like everyone is piling on poor little Portege. But I suppose it is fun.

Quoting Portege "This is not what victory feels like."

Of course, victory is killing Saddam Hussein on false pretenses. That's what victory feels like. Or maybe when Bush was on the aircraft carrier dressed all up in air force garb, with a huge Mission Accomplished sign behind him. That's what victory feels like. That's presidential.

The US did not try and execute Saddam. That was the Iraqi government.

How hard is it to say that Obama was wrong for not giving all the people involved top billing for the death of Bin Laden? How hard is it to say that it was wrong to leak the details of the operation the day after? I even found an interesting website with a collection of articles on this topic.

http://navysealsagainstobama.com/

It is sad to see you all support Obama no matter what he says or does. Im not sure why you take that position. I never supported the all of the actions of any past President no matter which political party they came from. I never supported the invasion of Iraq and feel that was a mistake on Bush's part.

I cant help but think the leaking of the operational details were a direct cause of this Chinook helicopter being shot down. Would this helicopter been shot down if the operational details kept secret and no one knew which unit was involved in the operation?

http://articles.latimes.com/2011/aug/06/world/la-fg-afghanistan-chopper-20110807

I know you guys are just playing around. A bunch of old guys having fun hiding behind keyboards, but these are serious issues to consider. 38 good men died in that helicopter and our President is making this a campaign moment. Even Ms. Huffington of the Huffington Post, a very liberal online publication, has admitted that Obama was wrong for doing this. So why not simply say he was wrong in how he handled this operation?

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How hard is it to say that Obama was wrong for not giving all the people involved top billing for the death of Bin Laden?

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I cant help but think the leaking of the operational details were a direct cause of this Chinook helicopter being shot down. Would this helicopter been shot down if the operational details kept secret and no one knew which unit was involved in the operation?

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Hehe, although I am not a mechanic nor have I ever designed a car or worked at a car dealership, I dont think it makes sense to pour sugar in the gas tank. Thats just common sense and not revealing the operational details until years later is also common sense. If you need some type of training or experience to realize that, then you are probably an idiot who shouldnt be in such decisions to decide.

Now the SEALS, their families and anyone in the Navy becomes a target for the Al Qaeda. Maybe the Al Qaeda shot down that Chinook killing 38 people to get back at the SEALS. Maybe they are targeting known SEAL installations like in Virginia or California.

You Democrats want to constantly interject Bush and Romney into any thread about Obama and his decisions. Look, neither Bush nor Romney sit in that Oval Office. Bush has done the right thing by keeping out of the limelight and Romney is just one of those politicians telling us what they might do if such and such situation happened. Most of the time, all of the politicians, Obama is no exception, do something different under actual circumstances.

This thread is about giving credit where its due and not taking advantage of those involved for personal gain. If Bush came out with a campaign ad in 2004 touting his success in capturing Saddam Hussein then I would have been against it. The credit for any victory or success should be given to the troops and anyone else involved. No one should take advantage of military victories to run a campaign. Kerry learned that the hard way although there was no victory in his military experience.

So my hand goes out to all those who have sacrificed since 9/11 in trying to capture Bin Laden and I dont think anyone should be making youtube campaign videos for personal gain.

Look at this video. Not once were the troops mentioned or anyone else. 3000+ people have died during this mission, countless others injured mentally or physically and countless families effected. There are a lot of folks out there who deserve credit. Do you honestly support this video which makes no mention of soldiers, sailors, Marines or their families who have waged this war?

http://youtu.be/BD75KOoNR9k

Obama deserves credit and here's why.

Under Bush the strategy for Bin Laden was to pump billions of dollars in aid to Pakistan in exchange for information. At the same time, the military wanted to of course cross the border and kill Bin Laden. Bush did not let them because he felt like diplomacy was the best option.

Obama comes in and changes it around. He still gives the Pakistan people their money but then he just goes in and kills the MF.

Portege, congratulations! You have become the number one Political Troll on this board. You have assumed Beachman's mantle.

You should feel honored. You've done this while offering nothing of substance; just a bunch of links to right wing websites totally lacking any credibility. "Navysealsagainstobama.com?" Are you fucking serious???

BTW, when's that next trip report coming? That's something else you and Beachman have in common: all politics, no pussy.

BD:

Here you go again on poor Portege.

With Portege's AA in Political Science from Lima City College or Cuzco City College, he just has that foreign background you can only dream of BD.

Cone on both of you, Portege and BD, why can't we all just get along?

MM

You guys represent the typical Democrats. Everyone else is wrong because they disagree with your opinion on the issues or they must be trolls. Honestly, how do you treat people you work with or family members when they have opinions which differ from your own.

Its been 4 years and what do we have to show? The only solutions offered are another big money print and the umpteenth bond sale to the Chinese. Im no financial expert, but I know I cant simply use my credit card to improve my financial situation.

Then comes along Osama Bin Laden where one of his trusted assistants accidentally makes a cell phone call. Oops. The SEALS get sent in, risk their lives and he is dead. Then it becomes a campaign moment and you guys are all for it. How about the 3000+ who gave their lives for this? Have they all now become a campaign moment?

I would never use such a moment for personal gain like Obama is doing or his cronies over in Hollywood are doing. The profits should go to those families and wounded veterans. All of the credit should go to the veterans. A parade would be great if nothing else.

Let me correct myself. After checking this website, it appears the number of dead Americans is closer to 7000 dead and 32000 wounded. Why cant they get all the credit?

http://icasualties.org/

Why can't you just go away? I find you disgusting!

Portege,

Most of the casualties are from Iraq after Bush declared "mission accomplish." A war in which Bush and his cronies mislead the US and its allies into invading Iraq instead of going after Bin Laden.

Two wars were fought that cost US taxpayers billions of dollars and the lost of too many lives. Bush and his cronies also drove the economy off a cliff.

Since President Obama has been in office, he's gotten us out of Iraq and we will soon be out of Afghanistan. As a Presidential candidate, Obama made it his top priority to get Bin Laden and after he got elected, he did it. As Commander in Chief, it was Obama's call to send US Special Forces into a foreign country to get Bin Laden. If it had failed, he would have taken the blame. No shaking of the Etch-A-Sketch by Romney will change the fact that he stated that going after Bin Laden was not a top priority to him. If Romney was President, I believe Bin Laden would still be alive since Romney wouldn't not have had the courage to make the decision.

Although Bush sent thousands of men and women into battle, his administration systematically closed or underfunded Veterans Hospitals and other veteran services/benefits. President Obama has made it his priority to restore and expand veteran funding and benefits.

It took Bush and his cronies eight years to drive the US economy into record debt and unemployment. In President Obama's first three years, he's been slowly dragging the bus back from the bottom of the cliff, but it's hard to undo eight years of mismanagement in three years.

This thread is nothing more than a ruse to waste perfectly good band space and increase post counts.

The point of this thread, though, is that no politician should be exploiting a military victory for personal gain. The credit should go to those who were actually in the operation and those who helped find him. Also, covert operations should remain covert. Did we really need to know which unit did it, how they did it and when it exactly took place? Those details could endanger the SEALS and make Navy installations prime targets for the Al Qaeda. Actually, a Chinook full of SEALS was shot down killing 39. Was that in retaliation?

I honestly believe details of these operations should be kept secret at least for several years, but I guess its more important to make it an election year topic then to safeguard Americans.

(Message edited by Portege on May 08, 2012)

So, Al Queda would not shoot down a regular Chinook if there are no SEALs on it? Damn you are just fucking stupid.

I will make the same offer to Hombre I made a few months ago. I will refund to Portege his ClubHombre fees if Hombre boots his ass. He's a non-entertaining, trannie-banging troll who has no useful purpose on this board.

Dr. Portege is right on the money again.

He knows it all, and the remainder of us are stupid.

Congratulations Portege!.

MM

Democrats who said Saddam had weapons of mass destruction. Spin this one you liberals!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i87cZ3Og6ts

So I assume that Jack25 is a secondary account for Portege/Beachman? Signed up 3 weeks ago, 4 posts so far, all bashing Obama and Democrats.

What about the video Catocony....the Democrats pretty much all agreed that Saddam had or was developing WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION! Hillary even said Saddam was haboring Al Qaeda.

What a bunch a self serving cowards who deserted Americans troops after authorizing to send them in. Then the Democrats claim that Bush lied about WMDs after the Democrats not only had claimed for years that Saddam was develping them or had them, but that he had already used them.

Let's hear your spin now!

Portege is the only login I have on this site. I believe new members must provide a credit card to get on and Hombre has access to all of the ip records. There are ways to spoof the IP address, but Hombre would know if they were being spoofed. I either use my home ip address off of a cable account, mobile accounts when I am not at home or the hotel account when I am abroad.

I have no idea what Jack25 or the Beachman use, but it would be apparent if they were trying to spoof the IP. For example, if you use the TOR network then there would be a different IP address each time they logged in. I only use one primary IP and the other IPs listed are when I am traveling like I am right now.

Jack25, Beachman, etc. have views which are contrary to yours and you are simply reasoning it out by saying its a bunch of trolls, its Fox news or just a bunch of "dipshits" trying to make you mad. Maybe its a bunch of guys with a contrary opinion and you have a problem with respecting other people's opinions.

That's a very long denial to a fairly simple question.

I think it's time to give Portege the Beachman treatment. After we all started ignoring Beachman's troll posts, he simply went away.

Let Portege post to his heart's content. But put him in "time out" and don't respond. It's not as though he's posting with an open mind towards the issues he posts on, so why respond?

I'll consider responding to a Portege post when it addresses some aspect of the central purpose of this board which, as I seem to recall, is not about politics.

Im not letting politics reach out into the trip reports, but you guys are letting it. I made an Obama comment in a fake trip report about the Secret Service, but how could you not make a comment about Obama in a fake trip report about his Secret Service.

I have made these posts in a forum which specifically states "Off topic - politics". You guys find them by clicking on the 1Day Search, 3Day Search, etc. You choose to read them then you choose to respond. No one is forcing you to go through them and there is no requirement to respond. However, you still do and act like this is being forced upon you.

Look, I know you want Obama re-elected because you dont want to see the first Black President fail. I mean, come on, thats just like saying you didnt want to see OJ Simpson convicted because he was Black. The best way to do things is to let someone go if they are not doing their job. Obama clearly doesnt deserve another term.

I am shocked at how you all are ignoring the original topic. Do you mean to tell me that you put Obama over Veterans? Thats simply wrong.

So now Obama is equated to a black murderer? Way to go, dipshit.

"...but how could you not make a comment about Obama in a fake trip report about his Secret Service."

You could just not make a comment. It's possible. Unless, as Cat says, you're a dipshit.

What's a condom?

What's a condom? - something worn at every conceivable occasion.......

"My behalf"

What narcissistic son-of-a bitch Obama is- it is all about him. Our Armed Forces are protecting this country for his "behalf" not for the citizens of the USA. How arrogant can you be! Do you think the media would have let Bush off easy with such a statement.

This is a president who occasionally does catch a case of the "me's." In his explanation for support of gay marriage to Robin Roberts, the president said: "When I think about members of my own staff who are in incredibly committed monogamous relationships, same-sex relationships, who are raising kids together; when I think about those soldiers or airmen or marines or sailors who are out there fighting on my behalf and yet feel constrained."

My behalf? Flag 5 yards, equipment violation...the uniform says USA, not "Obama."


http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/power-players-abc-news/obama-solo-flight-100921135.html

(Message edited by jack25 on May 11, 2012)

Many moons ago, when I was a young buck, I got a pretty interesting "job" when I graduated out of college. I hated the move to Washington DC, being a laid-back So. Cal guy by nature , but working for an intelligence agency, Now called the "National Geospatial Intelligence Agency" (a mouthful) was a pretty routine type of desk job, but sometimes filled with excruciating deadlines and occasional exhilerating episodes.

So it was a a mere 23 yo, I found myself appointed as an ADO (Area Desk Officer) in the Asia-Africa Division, when my boss went on an extended leave for cancer treatment. It was soon after the Hostages were taken in Iran, and we (the military and all the civilian employees) were tasked with getting them out safely. My Desk and my Section and those working under me were tasked with finding suitable land refueling and staging areas in the Iranian desert using only map, aerial and satellite imagery, some intelligence reports. and our sound judgement.

We had little idea what this task was for, but we could guess,. Unlike the Bin Laden raid, everybody, including the Iranians, knew we were coming and even where to we were going. A daunting task.
Nevertheless the President made a command decision to not only attempt a rescue, but attempt a rescue that would, as a result, wouls have fewer casualties but be exponentially more risky.

We know what happened, the mission failed when, the helicopter pilots, who were not trained to use night vision "monoculars" misjudged his takeoff and crashed into one of refueling C-130's, causing a horrible explosion that killed several brave soldiers.

It was a "COMMAND" decision by Jimmy Carter to go with two extra helicopters and refueling tankers, as the Embassy compound was to be gassed, rendering the hostages unable to evacuate on their own but needed extra troops (and the extra helicopters) to get them out safely and without a potential casualty rate of 50-60 percent for the hostages and potentially hundreds more Iranians killed.

As an indirect result of the failed raid, President Carter lost his Presidency.

In the end, the Hostages were released, but only after Ronald Reagan took office.

At the time Carter made the decision he was facing a declining popularity and was starting to fall behind in the Presidential race. He has conflicting opinions from his staff on the raid, but, as no negotiations were ongoing, nothing was being done and the American public were fast losing patience.

Many of these same factors were facing Obama. The manhunt for Bin Laden, it seems, was put on the backburner for so long many thought he would never be found, There was a Presidential electio looming and even Obabma's Nationla Security Advisor was against the Bin Laden raid.

In the End Obama made a COMMAND decision that leaders need to make, for good or ill, As Commander-in Chief, it was his call. And if the mission went sideways, people would be killed and the blame, like in Jimmy Carters case would lie at the top. It's where the BUCK stops.

And if anyone can take credit for his OWN decisions (not the operation itself, carried out with great success by the brave soldiers of the US Miltary,) IT has to be the President himself.

And it seems to me that the hue and cry from the right, over the President taking credit and admissions for his decisions would be questioned, It seems to be more of a matter of politics and sour grapes, than than of anything else.

What's a condom?

It's what Jack25's dad should have used.

It's entirely appropriate for Obama to say the soldiers are fighting on "my behalf." He's the Commander-in-Chief. He's acknowledging that he is, in the end, responsible for decisions that put them in harm's way. They fight on his behalf and on our behalf. So quit being such a whiny putz, Jack25.

Orgngrndr,

Points very well taken. Obama made the call, and would have taken the heat had the mission imploded. He certainly merits recognition for making a tough executive decision against the advice of his more politically-minded advisers. Portege and Jack25 can't stand the fact that Obama showed some testicular fortitude and accomplished something Bush failed to do.

(Message edited by Branquinho on May 11, 2012)

You mean to say I've been barebacking in SE Asia for over 10 years and I could have saved my cock by putting a bit of rubber over it.

Portege, how fucking stupid can you be?

Bush wore a flight suit with a stuffed cod piece, rode an airplane about five miles from San Diego and trumped up his failures on the deck of an aircraft carrier under a banner that said "Mission Accomplished".

That was not about the troops, that was all about Bush pretending he was a great commander in chief.

The only thing Romney will be is a "Commander of Thieves", we need to keep Barack Obama if the USA wants to survive and prosper.

Just as "Beachman" appeared to be a PAID OPERATIVE for the McCAIN campaign, I suspect that JACK25 is a PAID OPERATIVE for the ROMNEY campaign.

Since the CITIZENS UNITED TRAVESTY, we have no idea who is paying them, but we are sure to see a never ending stream of bullshit from them for the next few months.

PORTEGE seems to be speaking from his VERY SMALL HEART and repeats his INDOCTRINATION from FAUX NEWZ. Obviously too dumb to get paids by campaigns.

The OBAMA defenders on this board are mostly LONG TIME members with many mongering trips under our belts. Although, I am not very happy with the administrations attitudes towards our hobby, I think government oppression would only get worse if republicans took full control and imposed their SICK MORALITY..

I have no idea why Democrats constantly make excuses for Obama with what Bush did. Bush used Air Force One a lot so Obama has to use Air Force One a lot. Bush kicked up his legs on the desk so its ok for Obama to do the same...etc etc etc.

Lets get this straight. The majority of the American people, and myself included, have disagreements on some of the things that Bush did or didnt do. For example, most people would say that going into Iraq was a mistake. So its no ok to say since Bush did this its ok for Obama to do that. No! Totally and completely wrong and idiotic. The majority of people elected Obama so as he could walk a new path away from the things that Bush did. They did not elect Obama so he could do the same things as Bush.