Roger and I went to the zona last night. We just stoped in the Nelson's restaurant for bite to eat. When all the sudden I saw Mari, I've been fucking for and her cusins, aunts, and other for at least 11 years. She works in the Diamonte. She was so supprised to see me. However, I'm not stupid that stuped. She gals just cruze the streets and look for clients and spark conversation for a few extra bucks. And sure enough after about 5 minutes of talking, she asked me for $5 bucks. She had the cuttest little daughter with her. She said her name was Mari too. Mari's mom wispers to me as her daughter was ordering taco's. Do you like my daughter. I said, YES! Is she cute, YES! I want rent her to you. I didn't find that out of the ordinary, children are tools for making money. Most don't have kids because their cute. Especailly the indians. But thats a diffrent story. She said your going to have to pay $100 for an hour. I said, Mari. I've know you forever and you know I don't pay over $10 for anybody. I wouldn't pay more than $10 for Janet Reno or Marlyn Allbright! Her little daughter came back, WOW! She was perfect! Big ass tits! The WHOLE package. Her daughter was one of the cutest gals you could ever see. Remember! TJ is like that Mercedes commerical, nothing is as it seems. Although everything looked great and any other monger would have fucked the daughter. Mari, just kept on saying $50 for an hour. Please I need the money! I said, I'm sorry. Roger said, Jose! Go fuck her. Are you stupid! Just give her $10 and do it for 30 minutes. She perfect, I'm bound to have a good time. But I stuck to my guns. If it's too good to be true then it is! Period! Roger said, what ever. The daughter left our table and started to talk to another client. So I just kept talking to Mari, then the daughter said, mom lets go I'm bored. Then all the sudden the guy that the daughter was talking too grabbed the daughter and said, you stold my wallet. The daughter just started running the guy grabbed her. Then a cop came and sure enough the daughter stold his wallet. Also, the daughter wansn't Mari's daughter. It's was a scam! Who know's what would have happen to me if I had gone alone to the hotel with the "Daughter".

The big indicator that tipped me off was the mothers statment of: "Please Jose, I need the money" I never fuck gals that NEED the money. I wan't them to want to fuck me and I'll give them a tip. And I knew from years of experience the DAUGHTER didn't want to fuck me. She wanted to FUCK me...

Westfargo...

WF - Too much..! LoL

WestFargo wrote:
"I never fuck gals that NEED the money. I wan't them to want to fuck me and I'll give them a tip."

You are the man WF, heck If I waited for a chica to WANT to fuck me I wouldn't have gotten laid in the last 5 years, hehe..
ag

WF - Right on! I wouldn't pay more than $10 for Janet Reno or Marlyn Allbright either! Arrrgh....
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Altgringo,
You don't wait for the whore to want to fuck you. You test her the way they test us. Wave $10 in front of them.

Sietemares,
I've got the most beautful young gal you can imagion in Riverside Ca. I go fuck her every other day or so. She's real booty call. I meet her for 30 or 40 minutes on my way to LA for work. We don't do nothing else but fuck and I leave. However, it's so exciting the only way I can keep from cumming too fast is to think of Marlyn Allbright. Have you seen her? She is so grose, She can't be a women!?!!???

Westfargo...

LOL....I'm joining your fan club :}

Hey Amous,

You gotta get a flashlight first

I dont believe this WF crap for a moment, if you want a hottie, ya have to pay her price. If you want a dog, then wave the can skippy in her face and let her barrrrrrrrk! When you can only make it down every couple of months, you have to make the best of your time. Im on the plane tomorrow, one my favorite things about Mexico are the varied smells that abound, some might call them putrid odors, but I find them pleasant. From rotting garbage to ocean mist, I truly know I'm in Mexico when I take a giant sniff and smell shit. I must be weird, I LOVE IT !!!!!!

Dirtbiker,
You forget one of the most profound rules in Mexico. Take all the logic you've learned through your life and through it out the door. This is Mexico, this aint Bass Lake! This is the "Love ride" Mexican style. And you have to play by their rules.

#1. If a gal likes you, you can fuck her for nothing. AB included!
#2. goto #1...


I'm going to be under the AB heater tonight and Sunday night too. If anybody wants a beautiful whore to fuck your brains out for next to nothing. Just ask! But please take notes, because I won't do it again!

Westfargo...

Redongdo Was that a fist-size flashlight or four fingers? Amous

Redongdo,
I was forced into selling my little pen light to a little cuttie, she was so fastinated with it. And it got me that much closer to fucking her. She had short blond hair and works in the Chevellas. All the time she was looking at the pup-tent in my pants. If you've got a bigger flashlight you might beable to really impress her. She'd be a good little freebe. Also, Roger went out with her friend the other night. Yes, her friend is cute and wants to double date. She has a third friend, try to meet me in the Chevellas Sunday night at 7:00PM or so and bring your biggest flashlight!

Also, I bought my flashlight at the 99cents store and I sold it to her for $3 bucks...

Westfargo...

West, I guarantee you, if you put all of your personal worth in that flashlight, you'll have the essence of your true self -true West. I'm not calling you a slimey gringo -selling a cheap flashlight to some poor ignorant Mexican girl for thrice his price. After all, What Does The Wine Seller Buy?

I hope you do not feel that I am attacking you personally. You seem to have the 'needle-dicks' fascinated with you. So, by attacking you, I feel that I am attacking them. Also, behind your West Fargo character, I feel there is sick and angry dog that needs to be put out of it's misery. Though, I actually like to see suffering, up close.

Now, I'd like to use your flashlight to look in your trunk. Ah, forget the 'gay' thing, I'm pretty selective about who I fuck. And, I defiantly would not ...fuck you.

But, I would pay good money to see you tied to a chair and slowly beaten to death by a couple of young Mexican girls -nothing personal.

My Good Brother Wasabimas,
You got a brew and some props comin' from ya brother Ritmo for that last post. An' hey, Westie, jes cause I'm legal in the US don't mean I'm yo brother, 'cause I ain't nobody's brother that thinks he's all that 'cause he ganks a little Mexican workin' girl for a 2 dollar profit on a fuckin' flashlight. That's petty, man. (And lemme pre-empt the WF cheering section: save that "you gotta know WF before you can judge him" shit for somebody else, awright? I don't join fanclubs, and I don't exempt people from criticism jes 'cause they got a rep, so take that nonsense up outta here. )

aside to my brother Red, who gets much respect from me: I don't get it, bro--how can you like this dude WF, who seems to me ruthless and evil w/these chicas and a racist besides, and still say the kinda thangs you be sayin' from time to time about how rough thangs is for these girls down there (which is KNOWLEDGE IMO)? Don't make no sense to me, bro, but I'd like to hear how you make sense of it, if you're interested in sharin'.

You've got to meet WestFargo before you judge him!

Who would want to meet him? One can tell from his posts that he is a complete, racist ass-hole, who thinks his shit doesn't stink!

Ritmo, ya got your own fanclub right here. At this point, I know WF is just trying to set the lake on fire. I've met him and don't think the dude is quite as sick as he likes to portray himself. He's our pinball wizard...our Jerry Springer...our Vince MacMahon...our Jimmy Swaggart...our Rush Limbaugh...our Don King. Pretty soon he'll be opening his own pay site. Some know the fake parts and just enjoy the show, while the truly stupid gather nourishment to feed their own worst instincts. But for the unstupid to stand in front of him is really perplexing. So I join Ritmo in calling on Redongdo, and you too StrikeEagle (but not you Explorer) to account in some more detail, for your defense of these toxic waste posts.

OK OK OK we believe he fucks troll dolls for $10 so spare us another declaration that his puerca strategies are sound. We know he's cute... WasabiMas would fuck him...we know he's got a good game. Forget that part. Explain to us only how these posts don't cultivate hate, disrespect and misogyny. Explain to us how this stuff is positive in the balance. Please guys, help us to understand.

Wasabimas,
I actually try to keep a low profile in the Zona. However, my methods are so diffrent, lots of guys are intrested in whats going on. I let them know the basics, and if their a little more curious I show them how its done. It's like showing a 16 year old the keys to a new car. It opens up a new world to them. And that gets me a good reputation.
Unlike you, you don't offer or volunteer much if advice on how to help your comrads. That makes you rather worthless. I know underneath you and Ritmo are good guys and are trying to help in your own angry at the world way. But your not helping anybody. I'm tired, if you want a good gal at a fare price? Meet me under the Heater in the AB Sunday night at 10:00PM. The least you'll get out of it is a good time, you can see me make a fool of myself, getting a little cutie you just paid $60 for $20, and you can fuck her for close to an hour. I'll have her ignore the 30 minute knocks so you get extra time. If I have too I'll go up with you and stand by the door so you get extra time. If I talk to her she'll KNOW if she isn't good she won't get paid. You'll pay her in front of me. See! Thats team work! We should all unite. I hope you guys are starting to get the message!

Whats this Mexican girl beat me to death shit? I've never heard of that happening. I guess it's possible, but not likely. Check your info!
No gals are stupid enough to try that with me!

Westfargo...

Ritmo & Napstero,

I fully understand why there would seem to be a contradiction in my being one of WF's supporters in light of the kind of thing I rant and vent about from time to tim. Like Explorer says, (my gawd I'm agreeing with Explorer! Pass the bong Explorer...teach me some Klingon)

First off, Fargo was the second person I ever met off the boards. My overwhelming opinion of the people on these boards at that time (2-3 years ago) was that they were all a bunch of deluded losers I had no interest in meeting. When Fargo launched himself on the boards it was a real refreshing change. To most of the guys he was making outrageous claims and appeared to just be bragging and putting people down. However having worked in clubs on San Francisco's Broadway nightclubs for years I could tell a lot of what he was saying made a lot of sense. I understood the mindset we deal with re: people who work in clubs, and I could tell Fargo had a better understanding than most.

As far as his being racist, I don't really see him putting down a race as much as putting down a culture or society. And he has a whole lot more first hand knowledge of this particular culture than certainly I do and I suspect most of the guys on the board. True racism is based in ignorance, not knowledge.

Do I agree with everything he says? Of course not. I don't agree with everything anyone says. But I respect him cuz he's a straight shooter, enjoy hanging with him and Roger cuz they are about as colorful and entertaining as anybody can get and have learned quite a bit. It's frightening, but he does know what he's talking about.

As far as the 20 dollar claims, I believe that was probably true 3+ years ago for all the girls and still true for a large percentage of them. However I think the influx of American suckers has made a lot of the top girls realize they can get a lot more than they were used to so there are a select group now that no longer go for that rate. After awhile they notice there are all these guys that don't blink an eyelash at paying 3 times what they were used to and tossing in a 20 buck tip on top of it.

Bottom line? Wisdom is where you find it, not where you want to find it.

Joe Girard from Melrose Motors.

He's in the Guinness Book of World Records as the world's best car salesman. He wrote a book called How To Sell Anything to Anybody. Among all the geek stuff, the editor/publisher of Kilobaud magazine at the start of the PC revolution listed the top 10 books for computer consultants and that's when I found out about Joe Girard. I went to the bookstore, found the book, picked it up, looked at his picture on the cover and almost barfed. Here was a picture of a slimy, back-slapping, slick-haired huskster. I hate the type and my initial reaction was to put the book back. No way I was going to learn anything useful from this bum. But, I opened the book and started reading. He called it his golden shoebox with all the records of all his clients, their families, their birthdays, when they last bought their car, how often they bought a new car, etc. etc. etc. This guy was doing database marketing before anyone had a word for it. The book was fascinating. The guy was an eccentric master at what he did and produced results. All I had to do to learn valuable stuff was "not judge a book by its cover", overcome my prejudice about hucksters, keep an open mind, and pay attention to what he was saying.

Regards,
RickFeliz

P.S. Daniella near the restaurant and I went dancing at La Carreta :o)

Redongo, Rickfelize,
Thanks ya guys, Wow! Redongo your so sofisticated. I'm going to bring so Grey Pupon and a golden spoon next time.

P.S. I've been fucking Daniella for the past 3.5 years nearly every two weeks or so, she's a diamond in the rough. I too have taken her dancing. The Carreta, Acction, AB, Fracasco just to name a few. She knows Cumbia well but needs practice with Banda. You've got good taste!

Westfargo...

My brother Red,
Respect ya, and gonna keep on respectin' ya, but cain't get witcha on this one. Bro Nap (we gettin' up in dat nappy dugout, my brother!) put it as good as ya can put it--OK, so this WF dude gets his $20 groove on with some girls at least, and he's really into bein' as codo as it gets, and some bros is comin' at this from that same place, so dey wanna hear 'im--but that don't make sense of the total lack of respect for these girls ya see in practically all a what he say. And I think ya treadin' on REAL dangerous ground when ya suggest that it's possible to get enough knowledge of a culture to have a JUSTIFIED prejudice against the whole thang--like, ya cain't be a racist, even if ya got racist ideas, if ya claim to know a lot about the folks ya hatin' on? EVERY culture is too complicated for that, including Mexican culture. Sometimes WF be sayin' the stupidest mufuckin' thangs about 'what Mexicans is like'--in fact, they remind me a lot of what some of my peeps in Europe be sayin' about Americans, 'cause they 'know so much about it, since they married an American, or spent a few years in NewYork, or whatever.' But most a what dey say is a lotta bullshit, at the end of the day--they generalizations is just dat--THEY generalizations, witout much to do with what Americans or American culture is really like. Ta me, WF jes sounds like another one a them David 'Aryan Punk-Bitch' Duke types when he starts up with the "all illegal immigrants is like this" routine, and there ain't one bit a knowledge involved in that--or it's 'knowledge' limited to him gettin' ganked for his riches by his ex-wife and wantin' payback on that (what? the masta playa got played? and so he puts together a whole little 'philosophy' of Mexican culture based on him gettin' served by one girl and her family...that, my brother, is just weak--old story, an' a lotta prejudiced-ass fools can be explained that way, but it ain't got much ta do wit da truth.) Other dudes here have spent lotsa time in Mexico and in so Cal, and they don't got the same impressions of what Mexican culture is like or what illegals in the US is like, etc. So the only thang I'd say here, bro, beyond 'much love to ya,' is 'don't let this mufucka be the only 'vet' of Mexico ya listen to.' But I know ya know dat already, so we clear and we up out this bitch. Keep ya head up and ya mack down! Love and peace!

You all focus your attention on whatever lights your fire and I'll just keep focusing my attention on learning from Westfargo and ignoring the stuff I don't agree with. Learning what? Learning how? I've never met him yet I've learned a lot about Mexicans simply reading his posts. For example:

"de donde eres?" (where are you from?)
I learned from Westfargo to get off my ass and learn about the different states and cities in Mexico. It's a wonderful "ice breaker" when just getting to meet a Mexican - male or female. They seem to have more pride in their hometown than we do. If you also know something about their hometown and can join in the conversation with a positive comment or question that indicates that you "know" their place, then you're one of the gang from Sonora, Sinaloa, Nyarit, Jalisco, Colima, Michoacan, Guerrero, Oaxaca, Chiapas, Quintana Roo, Yucatan, Campeche, Tabasco, Veracruz, Tamaulipas, Nuevo Leon, Coahuila (yes, it's a state as well as a street and an alley), Chihuahua, Durango, Zacatecas, Aquascalentes, San Luis Potosi, Guanajuato, Queretaro, Hildalgo, Mexico, Puebla, etc. I'd suggest you take a small portion of the energy you're expending on enforcing the political correct views with group pressure and use it instead to learn something about Mexico. Then when you ask the lovely senorita "de donde eres?" (where are you from?)
and she replies "Puebla" you'll have something to say that indicates you both know and respect what's important to her. Just a suggestion.

Regards,
RickFeliz

Hey Rick Feliz,
Fuck you and your 'political correct views', eh? And don't tell me what I need to know about Mexico--I KNOW I know a fuck of a lot more about it than you do, Mr. I Destroy the Spanish Language Every Time I Post Somethin'. I'm one of the least politically correct muthafuckas around, but when fools start talkin' about how all illegal immigrants is shit and all the chicas is stupid as rocks, then I don't just ignore it. You wanna bury your head in the sand, go for it, nobody tellin' you what to do--just shut the fuck up about what I should do, awright?

And one more thang, bro--if you needed WF to teach you to ask a girl where she from when you talkin' to her, then what can I say? You need to get yaself some GAME, dude. That's some pretty elementary shit.

My brother Red,
Don't look now, but Feliz is on YO team, brother! How dat make ya feel? HA! Just fuckin' witcha, homey!

Bro Ritmo,

I kin dig yer words dude....but shit...first I agree with Explorer now you say Feliz is on my team....!?!?!?!!? Oh am I in a world of shit now!

HAH! Maybe it's time to retire...again!

RickFeliz, I believe you screwed your thinking cap on too tight before you posted that last one. The thoughts expressed are so odd and erroneously presumptive to respond to appropriately.

Suggesting the malignant ideas that WF expresses towards women and Mexicans is somehow mitigated because along the road he has inspired you to sharpen up your Mexican geography is just plain peculiar mental arithmetic - especially coming from a guy who prides himself in being thoughtful and respectful in his own dealings and relationships.

I had a boy scout leader who did a helluva job teaching us the outdoor skills, and all those unimpeachable scouting movement ethics (decades before the boy scouts became politically incorrect). Then a black high school teacher and his family attempted to settle into our then lilly white town. The attempt failed when my icon of a scout leader gathered a bunch of his buds and seriously vandalized the black family's home...the final touch being to paint a mural on the side of the home including the message, "Niggers Stay Out of This Town".

But he was a great guy. He taught me SO much.

Brother Nappy,
I think you RIGHT ON it there--knowledge don't come separated from the REST of the knowledge a brother got, from a way of life, from the real, from the kinda person a brother is. Any playa worth payin' attention to don't just give ya directions, but he REPRESENTS knowledge in the way he IS. You might not wanna peep game on that, but ya gotta recognize. WF might have some info ta give, but it ain't jes completely disconnectable from WHAT HE IS and BELIEVES on this tip--if ya take the info, ya gotta be hip ta tha kinda PERSON ya gettin' it from. Not even sayin' ya gotta be a racist and share his wack ideas on illegals and sub-human intelligence chicas if ya think WF got some good thangs to say, not EVEN sayin' that, my brothers--RFeliz jes talkin' crazy bullshit, and showin' he don't got no idea what time it is, when he sayin' anybody here tryin' to enforce 'political correctness'--I'm jes sayin' dat ya cain't jes throw it outta the mix, 'cause all dat knowledge comes mixed up together. Eventually, it's gone show up in the perspective he's comin' from and in the advice he be givin' out. It's a ZEN thang, my brothers--Bro Zen Master Nap straight disseminatin' ENLIGHTENMENT, step up and git served, grasshoppers!

Wasabimas,
I was in the AB last night and I met many mongers, however, a few told me you may be one of those guys that has a split personality. One of the guys is black, he said he doesn't think your black. He said he thinks your Mexican, one guy met you and said your Mexican and haven't adapted too the American way of life. I don't know what you are or what your problem is, but if your illegal I'll get you deported for sure.
Melvin said last black guys don't write like you. I told him Wasabimas didn't say he was black. He finds it insulting that Wasabimas sterio types "ebonics" for blacks. I'm in agreament with Melvin, everybody that knows me knows I LOVE the Acapulco "Black" gals. And I've fucked the shit out of many Aferican Americans women. They LOVE to suck my big ass cock! And say if I would have known Honkeys were this good back in the Hood I would have started to suck all you white ass cracker honkeys ass's cock's a long time ago. Of course that was a joke, but they do call me names like that all the time. Of course I can't say anything back, Laticia didn't call me honkey to insult me, she did it as a sort of acceptence or a terms of Indearment. She can call me anything she wants, I don't care as long as she keeps being booty call for me. I think I'm going to call Laticia tonight, now I'm really horney thinking about her. She has the biggest fucking beautiful tits, and an ass that is Peeerrrfffeeecccttt!!!!!! Gotta go to the bathroom...

Someday when your ready, you know were to meet me in the AB...

Westfargo...

You need to put the pipe down, you don't even know who ya talkin' to. 'Wasabimas' and 'Ritmo' don't even look the same in WestFargoSpell. And hey, thanks for tha tip, from ya 'black source Melvin,' as to which kinda people write which kinda way. Must be a trip thinkin' wit dat 1950 brain in this 2001 world, trick. Frankly, I find it insulting that you "sterio type" how retarded people write and think, but we a let that one pass, right?

Oh btw, yeah, I'm illegal, against the law, thugged out, dangerous to ya health, anti-American fo sho if YOU tryin' to represent America, punk--so come get me. Show ya colors, John Wayne.

Ritmo,

"...he sayin' anybody here tryin' to enforce 'political correctness'--I'm jes sayin' dat ya cain't jes throw it outta the mix, 'cause all dat knowledge comes mixed up together..."

Obviously, you haven't developed the ability to separate knowledge from the source of the knowledge and verify it independently. If someone only accepted knowledge from people who met their personal "political correctness" views, then they'd miss a lot of useful information because most of their attention would be focused on judging people instead of listening to them. Your posts come across as quite judgmental with a separation between "supporting my buds" and making fun of "those guys not in my gang".
Attacking the individual instead of the individual's ideas is a basic logical fallacy you seem to make quite regularly. Your interest appears to be more in setting up who's fighting who and who's on what team rather then dealing with the issues being discussed and possibly learning something. It reminds me of a somewhat adolescent concern about "what the group thinks".

By the way, do you consciously write the way you do as a literary device or is English your second language?

Regards,
RickFeliz

Hey, Feliz, see my love notes to ya above, 'cause I ain't got nothin' ta add ta that--you steady tryin' ta play the 'intellectual' here, but look like you didn't even understand the points Brother Napstero and me made a minnit ago. Go back to ya books, professor. I got no time for ya, 'cause in my book you boring and you say the same tired old shit all the time (a whole chorus can ring in here wit those magic words..."mejor para ambos"), and you always talkin' about elementary shit like it's some kinda scientific breakthrough, and you talk like you think you some kinda modern Christopher Columbus 'cause you fuckin' workin' girls in TJ, and I don't have time or energy for ya, and I ain't gonna lie and pretend I find most of what you got ta say anything more than weak. That's how it is. Other brothers here wanna listen to ya, that's they decision. Yeah, I'm judgemental--once I got some data on somebody, I can pretty much figure out whether they got anything of interest ta say ta me. Most of what you say don't impress me, so I don't listen to ya usually, and I don't say nothin' to ya unless you jump up in my face like you did here. I don't need your approval, brother, and you don't need mine. So move on about ya bizness. Get over it.

I'm tireda this, fellas. Ya'll wanna keep it goin' on, it's on you. I'm done.

"Yeah, I'm judgemental--once I got some data on somebody, I can pretty much figure out whether they got anything of interest ta say ta me."

Gee, sounds like a mind that closes rather easily. You wouldn't be prejudiced would you?

Bro, you spew enough weak shit around here, I got a whole barrel-full of data on you...it's a really weak game to try ta compare somebody decidin' somebody else ain't got nothin' interestin' ta say (after they post 150 dumb-ass posts about "mejor para ambos") and somebody callin' ALL chicas stupid and ALL illegal immigrants criminals, but weak games seems ta be ya thang. Why you havin' such a hard time acceptin' that somebody ain't interested in what you got ta say? Be independent, fool, don't worry about what 'the group' thinks--sound familiar?

Isn't it time we all grow up here??? just a thought.

Mr. Power Slave,

I agree.

Regards,
RickFeliz

Mr.TJ Hombre,
Please put a end to all this bullshit.

Everybody,

Were not here to fight, and I'm not going change anybody minds. I haven't found any raciests in the 20 years I've been going there too. The only thing I here on a nightly occurance is go home fucking whittie Americans, your not wanted here. But that comes from the Mexicans. Thats why I don't have a problem with the mongers. I get paid to pay attention, listening and solving problems is my life. And if all you guys were employees in a company, and your product was "Fucking women" I'd have to fire all of you guys. From the time you take the order to the time you ship the product it's a big fucking mess.
I asked a guy last night that got through fucking a gal in the AB for $80 and who knows how much for the "TIP" because of a GOOD job. There were two other mongers with me listening too. And the guy said, Yes, I had a good time but I paid too much! Your in deniel! When a customer says he likes the product but he paid too much. It's a polite way of saying he didn't get what he paid for. In laymands terms, he got "burned" but nicely "burned".
This isn't new in Mexico, don't feel left out. If he were to have fucked her for $80 in the US we would have felt a little better. Why? Both gals delivered the same service, right? Yes they did! However, for you to go to TJ your leaving the security of the most powerful country in the world. Laws here work not only for "whites" but "black" and yes! Illigals too. Just ask the 3.5 million illegals living and working very comfortably today in the US. But when you cross the border you changed the game. The laws are automatically reversed, you are the invader and your going to be treated like one.
The law is based on guily before inocents, and you as an Amerinan will ALWAYS lose. From the lonely guy on the street to Vicenty Fox, you money is the only reason they don't just cut your thraut and through your corps in a pit and bary ya. Every step you take in their dangerious super poverty stricken country your life is in extream danger. Yes, I know most have never had any problems, but you wait tell you get hit by a car and get mugget in a lonely ally and wait to see how many are really going to help you. I've been there! And when that day comes and your sitting there bleeding to death on the street or getting your ass fucked up by a cop or in a coma in a hospital in TJ as a JOHN DOE. dieing in a hospital because they don't even have x-ray machine or a qualified Dr. etc... Your going to think, is any price worth what I paid for those gals. Even one fourth of what an average American gals charges, isn't worth it.

The owner of the hotel in Acapulco has some good friends that are Mexican/Amerinans lawers living in Acapulco. And he got sued by a Mexican that told all types of lies like he was working there etc... And the Mexican/Amerinan lawers said there has NEVER been a case were an American has won in his case. The guys is sueing for $25,000 dollars, the judge said if my friend give the Mexican guys $10,000 dollars he'll forget it, if not he'll lose his home. Period! and goverment will have a short sale and give the guys $25,000 dollars. My friend Jeff in Acapulco. 74-82-33-22 says, yes, you get cheap tickets here. But the REAL cost to the average guy that crosses the border is incalcuable!

I know it's a lot of information, but think about what that $80 piece of ass really just costed!

Westfargo...

'you money is the only reason they don't just
cut your thraut and through your corps in a pit and bary ya.'

WORD! ERR, uh, sum'in like dat

Shit..Westfargo...You're depressing me!

The story about an American owning land and getting screwed over by the legal system has nothing to do with who owns the land.

Anytime that you get enough local Mexicans together they can declare themselves the legitimate owners of the ranch, hotel, whatever and take it over. There is no "vested interest" in land rights.
My first example is the hotel in Mulege. The villagers took it over, trashed it and wondered why noone was giving them a paycheck anymore.
Second example is the royal clusterf**k in Ensenada where one set of lawyers sold the land to another set who sold "units" to Americans. The Americans built condos and what not only to have the Supreme Court of Mexico say that the land really belonged to the first group who really did not sell the land, but they are willing to negotiate what your RENT will be on this fine building that you put up.

You are so right WF that in Mexico there is no law for us interlopers.

Napstero,

I've been thinking about your post because it was a thoughtful one and deserves a thoughtful answer. I have no interest in simply trading insults with anyone - to me it's a waste of time and I've better things to do. However, a thoughtful discussion is something I value, enjoy, and find useful.

Your post brings up something that has been bothering me for several years. This whole PC business in the universities, the news, and our society concerns me. I think it's a very dangerous trend to indoctrinate people into the idea that it's more important to judge the messenger than the message. And if you don't like the messenger to dismiss the message. To judge whether their politics are straight before listening to what they have to say. That if someone does not have politically correct views, then everything else they say should be dismissed. I think human beings and knowledge are a lot more complex than that, and the PC over-simplification has led to a lot of really stupid policies.

We all have strengths and weaknesses. We all have useful knowledge and at the same time hold erroneous views. Way back when Westfargo started posting I said that based on results his health practices sucked, but his negotiating skill and knowledge were very useful.

Your example of the scoutmaster illustrates the point quite well. I agree with you that his racial views and actions should be condemned. I assume you were being sarcastic when you ended with "But he was a great guy. He taught me SO much." That's not what I'm implying at all. In order to even come up with that statement you have to be in the mode of judging the whole person. One of the most valuable skills I've developed is the ability to learn things from people I don't like.

You also said, "I had a boy scout leader who did a helluva job teaching us the outdoor skills...". To me the most useful approach in seeking knowledge is to separate his political/racial views from his outdoor skills.

My question to you is: if you were lost in the woods, would you use the outdoor skills you learned from him, even though you condemned his politics.

Regards,
RickFeliz

I think the real question is this: When the 'outdoor skills' somebody is teachin' have ta do with relatin' to mexicanas, and not simply to findin' yo way around in the woods, do the fact that the 'teacher' thinks, fundamentally, that those chicas are stupid, greedy, barely one step away from the beasts, and part of a culture that is supposedly savage and evil have ANY EFFECT at all on those 'outdoor skills'? You DO see the difference between tasks and advice that are about relationships wit' HUMANS and those that are about relationships wit' TREES and ROCKS and STREAMS, doncha, Doc?

(Big) Brother Ritmo, the evil emissary of Orwellian PC thought control WORLDWIDE--watch out, fools, I'm a brainwash ya and turn ya'll into my clones! Can't nobody stop my plan, not even Professor Feliz!

where's that channel changer?This b movie looked better in the previews.

Ritmo,

Again you missed the point. Health practices and negotiating strategies both have to do with people - in this case, Mexicans and their culture.

Several times you stated that we should each be going our own way and I agree. I addressed my post to Napstero. What are you doing here? All you've demonstrated to me is an inability to carry on a civilized conversation without resorting to ridicule and personal attacks. I find interacting with you neither useful, educational, nor entertaining. It appears to me that you are unaware of the difference between discussing ideas and judging the people who have the ideas - a worldview that is strictly personal and very judgmental.

I've picked up several very valuable tips from Westfargo and hope he keeps posting. So far I've gotten nothing valuable from your posts and have started to skip over them. I suggest you follow your own idea and skip over mine.

Regards,
RickFeliz

Yeah, you right, RF, that's probably "M.P.A.", as those in the know would say!

Couldn't resist!

Sorry if I hurt ya feelins! Hugs and kisses!

Okay, now that was funny.

No hard feelings.

Regards,
RickFeliz

Rickfeliz, I've been away from here for a couple of days and don't have energy remaining for this conversation, but I'll respond to your post as a courtesy.

You're right of course that few personalities are all hero or all villain...moral ambiguity and yada yada yada. The scoutmaster taught me skills but I still lost 100% respect for him when I discovered what he was all about. The malignancy just ate up the body. So if someone wrote a letter to the editor of the local paper attacking him for his racist and criminal activities and demanding that he resign his role as a leader of children, I wouldn't have been writing a letter in his defense saying that we need to applaud his virtues. He didn't own the knowledge he gave me. If I wanted it, it was there to be found in uncountable alternative ways.

It's not hard to replace WF's "contribution" with a more creditable source. I have a large appetite for knowledge just like you. I don't need WF or his like to supply it. In fact it hits me as a preposterous notion that AAA knowledge can be found in the body of posts that are primarily about net persona building. WF no doubt attempts to place some legit factual spin within some of his posts, but who is gonna be able to separate the straightforward "teaching" from the bulk of it (i.e. discarding the Clark Kent street clothes to transform into internet legend and ringmaster WestFargo?). If you are so doggoned determined to acquire quality knowledge, you don't need professor WF on your faculty. Just as in the case of my scoutmaster, WF doesn't own the good knowledge and has made far more profound contributions on the dark side.

And it is so cheap and easy to dismiss substantive criticism of a person's ideas by labeling the criticism "PC" or "liberal". I believe it is these kinds of responses which fail to engage with the important points that Ritmo has so potently addressed. Surely if the WF manifesto is to be admired or defended, there's got to be something more than somebody can say in the face of intelligent criticism than "well, ya just gotta know the guy" (well, 99.999% of us don't...we just read the stuff), or "you're coming on PC". WF has effectively had no defense in this argument - an impartial jury would have to conclude that he is indefensible.

WF can rant all he wants around here and be a ringmaster for his 3 ring circus of cultural disrespect, economic exploitation of 3rd world desperates, and misogyny. Step up to the tent and buy your ticket. I myself think we are fortunate that Ritmo has given us a compelling opposition to ponder. And Rick, with all due respect and the sharp words between you two aside, I don't think you are paying any attention to what Ritmo is trying to teach here. I have a feeling if you go back and read the posts with care (and it takes care to digest Ritmo sometimes...he challenges us in more ways than one), you will find them not to be so much personal attacks as carefully tailored commentaries on the dark human qualities that come to the surface when a people of privilege enjoy another privilege - that of KMart priced sex with Nordstrom quality prostitutes (some of us need to tear 'em down to justify the deal we're getting).

Great argument Napstero. Like your buddy Ritmo isn't building a Net persona? He's advanced his act since his simple bros. Yeah, I bet he's just like his Net personality in person. Weak argument.

Napstero,
I was talking to one of my brothers last night; he got on and read some of my posts. Of course he totally agree with what I’m saying because he knows me very well. However, he thinks I’m focusing too much time on the atrocities that’s being committed against foreigners in Mexico. He said, every one of you guys can be tortured and robbed and you’ll still come be like me because we like the James Bond style excitement. Were like high rollers at the craps table. Litterly, paying 10 or 20 times what the going rate should be for a gal. He’s totally against Nafta, he works in Norway, and he’s a Visa President for Royal Dutch Shell. He’s been all over the world, mainly Africa. He said the problem with introducing forneirers into a society is that you upset the natural balance that would normally drive supply and demand. In other words, we truly don’t belong in Mexico, he said, remember the golden rule. When in Rome do as the Romans do. That’s hard to do because were playing a “James Bond” fantasy. I know young Mexican gals fuck me because I’m American and it’s their chance to escape poverty. But all’s the does is creates resentment amongst the locals and government alike. He said at Shell, just before he enters a new country they are briefed by an expert that knows everything about the country he’s going to. Shell, is a multi billion dollar company that can’t afford bad public relations. He said never wear American clothes, etc… However, the most important thing is Never, Never, Never, flash your money around. He said, just as the Spanish killed 99% of all native Americans, from 1492 to 1692 just be introducing diseases. The 21st century disease is our pompousness, our we can buy all of you. He said, we have no idea how mad and jealous these people get. He did say that the Mexican/Americans are worse then the Americans, because they really try there best to drive their brand new Expeditions and other exotic toys down to Mexico and brag brag and brag about how rich they are to their relatives down there. At Shell, he’s got a handbook too. And it says only pay what the locals are paying, and if you suspect your paying too much, just walk away. Above all don’t upset the natural balance of supply and demand, because your just hurting the locals. It just makes you and target and them upset…

Ritmo,
Also, I’m with Napstero you’re A OK in my book. However, you need to understand the damage we’ve already done can be reversed. However, It’s going to take a lot of will power and no more playing “James Bond”…

Westfargo…

WF, broad globalization bringing economic and cultural assimilation is coming on the large scale. Not entirely a good thing, but inevitable nevertheless. You and your brother are part of that process in your careers as well as your social life.

I for the most part agree with the stranger in a strange land economic thesis you've presented here. But a guy who knows as much about Mexico as you do, also knows that BORDER TOWN economics are a whole different deal. So you're a knowing deceiver when you discuss northern Baja economics in the same context as say Sinaloa. No Mexican would ever put those two places in the same category. Tijuana has always been fueled by U.S. tourist dollars...it basically wouldn't have existed as a named spot on the map otherwise. Maquiladoras which brought in a huge influx in population relatively recently, are also directly the product of cross border economics.

The reason there are 500 pretty prostitutes working in TJ instead of 100 hags, is because foreign dollars are there. The average local no doubt feels resentment that he doesn't have the means to have the big times many of us enjoy, but if we weren't there, neither would this quantity and quality of chicas be there either.

Our own American inner city residents feel the same sense of relative deprivation...being bombarded with media images of high material existence in the burbs and the cool urban precincts.

The American who comes to TJ and spreads alot of dollars around may be resented and envied and even seen as a buffoon by some of the locals. But the guy like you who comes in wanting to take advantage of the country's overall impovershment to party at a level that would be beyond your means in the USA, will also be resented...as an exploiter and economic imperialist. Just like the Maquiladoras are viewed as exploiting cheap Mexican labor to maximixe the profit taking of foreign investors, while still paying their workers below subsistence wages.

I got no problem with you doing whatever you want to do WF...you want to pull for continuing third world misery to max out your own life style, so be it. But to the extent that your posts degrade and defame the Mexican character so you can pull the rest of us into your boat with you, I got a problem with that.

And btw, I'm ready to hear the littany of success stories from your students and followers. C'mon now gentlemen and step up to the plate with your truthful tales of all the girls you've fucked for $20 after incorporating the WF knowledge into your game. Please limit the reports to encounters with girls you really WANTED to fuck.

Btw one more time, I've never seen a Mexican customer pull a Tecate out of his coat (and I know you REALLY do this...this is no joke). Most of the time they actually order a beer and exchange money for it when it arrives - sometimes they ask a rich gringo to buy them one. Whatever, they ain't pulling it out of their coat. So c'mon WF, try and blend in a little better.

TJ Hombre, why not just go ahead and change the name of this thread to "The Westfargo Dialogs". Nobody gives a fuck about the Diamonte Bar anyway, while WF will continue to be a lightning rod around here. WF started the thread with an apocryphal tale that was set in the Hotel Nelson restaurant anyway. Never has been a post in this thread actually about the Diamonte Bar. So it's been off topic since it's creation. LOL! Maybe we can concentrate most of the WF scrums over here.