Explorer8939,
Mexicans, unlike Ameicans don't intergration issues, there's only Mexicans in Mexico. Although they hate indians. Their 99% Mististo. or 99% mixed blood. If their going to ever respect us, they must get used to us being around them. That's why we must go back there, or they'll turn into the Asians. Asians in Asia only like Asains. Intergration I KNOW is the key to the worlds problems. I've worked all over Mexico, and there's lots of Mexicans that have NEVER seen an American. They just stair and want to touch me, when they see me for the first time. That's sad!

Diego,
When I say their all thiefs. To us ther'er all theifs. If you've ever lived with one you would find things missing. And at first I would scream, Theif! But my wife explaned it to me. They usually grow up with many many siblings in poverty. They share everything, clothes, food, EVERYTHING! They don't have to ask. If anybody has two of anything. That's one to much. They'll lift the extra. They litterly live by that rule. That's as common and normal to them as you driving a car. It's their lack of American contact that lets them do that. They don't wake up in the morring saying. I think I'll STEAL Diego's money. They look at it like, you pay $100 for a piece of ass that most guys fuck for free. You can share the wealth.

Powerslave,
We don't think your lieing. Most Americans like you only go to the Zona every once in a while. So your not in tuned to the constant biting that they do. Plus, you haven't been mugged? If not you probubly only stay in the AB or Chicago.

Harold_Johnson,
Ritmo,
From my experience you get a bad experience for paying too much. Why don't you guys listen.
I've never gotten pussy for rockbottom prices. I tell them how much I'll pay and what I'm going to get, and they say "YES!" I can't help it if it's a fraction of what you guys pay. The gals say "YES!" and I usually get 3 or 4 times more then the guys that pay top dollar. Why? Because I'm not afraid to tell the gals I don't have an extra $50 in my pocket. And they like me too. I don't have a problem with what I pay the gals, and they don't have a problem with what I pay too. So what wrong with paying $10 instead of $50, if we're all happy?

Westfargo...

Diego,
Your just like me a number of years ago. I NEVER drive in Mexico. I get so pissed off with them I usually do everything I can to fuck up their country. Shove toilet paper rolls down the toilet to block them up. I carve "Westfargo was here" in all the bathrooms. Etc... I only do it to places that are blatently antiAmerican. i.e. If I suspect anybody for anyreason is trying to take advantage of me. They do the same when they're in the US. Graffitti, play loud music, drive drunk, no license, illigals. Take my shit. etc... I don't have a problem with that at all.
I worked in Mexico for a few years too. I remember the first day. It was in Guadalara, my boss sat my down and he said. Don't get me wrong, Mexico is a beautiful place with good people. But do don't ware a suite and tie, don't drive a fancy car, be very inconspiuse. Don't flash your money around. Be as conservative as possible. The Mexicans are going to invite you to their houses, if at all possible, don't go. Why? Usually they live in places where there's dirt roads, no street signs. You'll get sick from the food. Steal your car, cops will get you. on and on on on he went. He said, when it rains your get stuck. Don't drive when it rains. They don't have cars, or get sick with their food too.
Almost all well ask you to their house and covertly pick fights with you. And the GODS honest truth is that's what they did. Back then I spoke good spanish.
I was stupid, I didn't listen to my boss. I would go to their house. They love to get drunk and talk about how the US stold half their country. EVERY one was pissed off about it. My boss was right about everything. Nearly every day was just like living in the zona. They just pick and pick and ware you away to lighten your wallet or your mind.
Most of those Amerincans guys on the board would last 1 week living and working in Mexico. They haven't got a clue what their talking about.

My opinion for you is to move back to Chula Vista and San Ysidro, San Diego. And chack up Mexico as a learning experience. Like I said, I don't get mad anymore, I fight fire with fire. I non shalantly do everything in my power to fuck everything up I can down there. That's how I cope with it. Everytime you do it. Just remember there's millions and millions that are illigal robbing houses, doing that shit in the US. Remember I was married to one for 8 years, I help her family, half of whom are in Jail to get their green cards. 30% come here for only one reason. TO STEAL! I'm dead serious. This is the promis land and they take full advantage of everything here.
Most of you guys haven't got a clue what they do when they get up here!!!!

Westfargo...

As The World Turns......

Can't help but notice the periods that message boards go through. Just like your regular real life relationships. Especially with people that you sometimes get too close to.

Let's face it. The Latin culture is not the Anglo one. And I suspect that the Mexican one itself is pretty distant from many other Latin countries. Great people for words and emotions. Totally shit for constructive actions or linear thinking. Wow! Kind of like the difference between Dems and Reps in our own contry.

A door opened for me when I lived in the DR and one day realized that the people were not just stealing and lying and back biting with me. They did it among themselves also. It was nothing personal except with the socalled intellectual elite (the people that could read without saying the words aloud).

As WFargo notes, people who grow up in poverty and a society that really has no concept of improving ones life in the future don't have the same mores as we do. You don't start worrying about pollution , "safety nets", and community over "clan" until you reach a certain social and economic standard level than Mexico is far from enjoying.

No one who works in the Zona exclusively targets gringos to rip off. It's just that we are convenient. Look how the bums in the streets are treated by their own people. And the little beggar Indian (Indiginos) children. Watch the police when they harrass some SG or some local. Pure violence and corruption that doesn't come from the legal institution but from the culture itself.

From top to bottom Mexico is a nation of extreme behavior. So were we if you read our early history. The difference is that we grew out of it sooner and are better at disguising what is left.

Remember, the mugger or chica or cop that rips you off is just doing what is normal to them in their own world. In their eyes you are the foolish one for letting it happen.

I could never see how a racist guy would go down to Mexico and mess around with their girls. Its not rape, you are paying them. And I don't think alot of guys down there on a power trip or anything. Alot of Mexicans feel part of their country was stolen from them by the United States. Is there any truth to that? Or, if alls fair in war, do they have to just accept it and stomach it? Do they feel they have a right to be here, because it was theirs before? I don't know what the mentality is down there, if there is hate that is superficial or deep rooted toward Americans. I don't see alot of racism here but I do see a common American trait of always having to be bitching about something. Sometimes I think of it as in some boss & employee relationships. A guy can work for the boss, kiss his ass when he needs to, do the job thats needed to be done to continue getting paid. But if at all possible, the employee would not hesitate to rip off the company, slack on the job, etc. And the boss really doesnt give too much a shit and long as his needs are being met. The only thing I observe is that it seems many guys profit from the girls work down there. And maybe thats the way its got to be for them to continue operating the way they do. All in all, more than less, the place works for me. When someone finds a place in US that has that much choice of pussy at that price, let me know.

SV;

You bring up a good point. While the hatred of the Gringo is a long-established tradition in Mexico, and is only of background consequence in most dealings with Mexicans - the sentiment is especially strong in the border towns, as there are MANY assholes who have been ejected from our country for stealing, selling dope, or worse; and who end up in the border towns. It is these people who will definately go out of their way to "mete los cuernos al Gringo". Some of them have even become Police down there.

By the way, the Spanish-American War was between Spain and America in 1898, and had nothing to do with Mexico. Mexicans hate the Spanish more than anybody, and were glad to see them get their asses kicked. You were probably talking about the Mexican-American War, which ran from 1846-1848. It "starred", among others, young Captains Robert E. Lee, and Ulysses S. Grant. The fact is, the US gave them a thrashing that they can never forget. Some Americans felt(and feel) that the war was "unfair" - Grant goes into great detail about it in his memoirs. I think Mexico teaches their schoolchildren that we "stole" this land from them. I'd love to get my hands on one of their schoolbooks.

You should read their want ads sometime - you will be shocked by their open and blatant age and sex descrimination. Also, the typical Mexican is blatently racist, by any standard. Look at their television - the actors are all, on average, much whiter than those on American television programs.

Yet, I totally agree about your statement; "if we flipped things around". Think about if we were on the other side of that stretch of No-Man's Land separated by 12-foot-high metal walls. It is like the Iron Curtain - only in reverse. In this case, it is to keep them OUT, and protect US. The Iron Curtain was to keep those poor commie bastards IN.

But, in any case, just think about this... what side would YOU rather be on, it you had to pick a side to stay on forever? Even with all that wonderful cheap pussy, beer and Ocean; and even with all America's faults, I wouldn't hesitate to choose the American side.

Diego, I stand by what I said about Mexicans being willing to screw anyone including their own people. Look how they treated the Guatemalan refugees back in the 80s when they were fleeing the atrocities in Guatemala. The Mexicans stole what little the refugees had, stuck them in concentration camps near the border, and then proceeded to continue the abuses included rape and murder. It took an international outcry to allow food and clothing to be brought in. (Kind of like what the Isralies have been doing to the Palestinians but we're not suppose to talk about that, are we?)

To this day the Central and South Americans who travel through Mexico heading for the US are routinely robbed and mistreaded by the Mexican authorities. Talk to a non Mexican Latin in this country about Mexico and few of them have anything nice to say even if they have never been to Mexico themselves. But they are almost universal about the cultural and political arrogance of the country.

Of course they all dislike most other Latin countries also but this is the kind of stuff that the liberal US media never talks about. Everybody sneers at the Puerto Ricans (stupid druggie trash), the Cubans (dishonest crooks), the Nicaraguans (serious illegal alien problem in Costa Rica), the Colombians (murderers and drug dealers), the Argentines (snotty), etc etc. I love it when they all get going because it reminds me that we Americans aren't really all that bad.

Diego

The idea that deportees want to get back at gringos makes for nice conspiracy theory but in the absence of any hard evidence is just conjecture.

I've talked with a number of them that realize they blew it. Abraham-the guy who mans the taco stand outside Tropical is an example. In any case they know the government gave them the boot and not your average american.

WF, I do not know where YOU hang out, but I assure you that I have been FAR beyond Adelitas and CC. I have lived in Mexico since '89. I have discussed the US war on drugs with very suspicous characters in low class bars in CD. Cuahtemoc, Chihuahua (In the drug sierra) and Prop 187 in dive bars in Mexico City. I have probably fucked more whores than most of the mongers on this board can count. Yet, I repeat, NEVER have I had any problems in Mexico. Never. Period. I've been mugged in Brasil, (Fuck it, I still love Brasil), but I have never had problems with either cops or bandidos anywhere in Mexico. I've been thru as many as 8 military checkpoints in a day before on my travels, and the only problem I've had is the soldiers wanting to waste my time asking me to compare my experiences in the US Army with theirs in the Mx version.

After years and years of talking to the Mexicans. The problem is very simple to understand. The Mexicans are exactlly like Americans. They want to get more money. They want a raise. Their stuck in their mindless jobs and they see us Americans driving your brand new 4X4 wallets full of money. Just throughing it all over the place. It REALLY makes them mad. We pay $100's of dollars for a piece of ass and they go bizerk. The fault lies with the guys that go around paying 2 or 3 times what the going rate is for a piece of ass. Yes, I can pay $50 for an SG. Is she worth it? Yes! A great deal. If she were in the US. Are you being fair to the Mexicans when you do that? No! They like to see their women ripping off the Americans, that gives them satisfaction. But it also, drives them nuts!

To everybody who pays way to much!
A women is like a man. Within 2 seconds she will know weather she wants to fuck you or not. Why would you want to fuck a gal that doesn't want to fuck you? I wouldn't! She won't appreacate you or your money. Although I'm good looking, I know that there's many gals that hate me. Or they hate Americans. So I say. $8, take off all your clothes, fuck, and I CUM in your mouth and I want you to swallow and I pay after. Period! I repeat it a few times. If they don't swallow, I don't pay. Period!
At that point. The gals looks at me and thinks. Is this guy worth my time and effort for a few lousy bucks? I can't read the gals minds. But if they say yes. 95% are PERFECT! They really enjoy me and in enjoy them.
But if you say, How much? And they say, $20, lets go da room! And you go! Buyer be waer! Your most likely going to have a very very bad time.

With my method you can weed out the gals that don't want you. Illiminating the chancing of having a bad experience. My method works so well, I'm used to only having the gal do everything. And I won't settle for less.
Plus your ego will go sky high. Because you'll only have good experiences. You'll feel like a stud monger. And save a few dollars to boot.

Just remember not very gal will go for you for $10 and give you everything. But the one's that will are real gems and you'll be dreaming about the next time you'll fuck them...


If everybody follows my methods, the zona would be a lot safer more enjoyable place to have fun. It's so simple. We CAN clean up Mexico, but since we're in the zona, we'll start with the zona.

Westfargo...

SV;

I understand where you are coming from. But remember, the thing that finally turned the tide for me was the technology issue. If you live/retire there, and like "tinkering" with electronics - or even motorcycles, for that matter - you are SCREWED. You can't just go down to Fry's, Radio Shack, or the cycle shop, and pick up a simple part.

If you are in TJ, at least you can wait in line for 2 hours at the border, and then go to Fry's, or the cycle shop. But if you are anywhere down in the "interior", you are absolutely HOSED. Like I said, it is medieval.

I had been wavering lately on the tradeoffs between the good and the bad of Mexico vs. the USA, and it wasn't clear what was better for me. I was willing to put up with all that other shit, in trade for the good parts of Mexico. But, for me at least, the "technology issue" is what really sinks it.

I do tradeoff studies a lot at work - what you do is make a matrix(a table of values). You write down all the categories that are important down the left column, and assign a weighting-factor to each category; then you write columns for each option you are considering, and fill in scores for each of the categories. Then you multiple the scores by the weighting factors and add up the total. The one with the highest score wins.

For me, and I repeat, FOR ME, the weighting factor for "Technology/Parts availability" would be very high - and that, combined with all the other low scores for Mexico in categories like "roads", "utilities", "sanitary condition", and "vermin control" that fail to make up for the high scores Mexico gets in the "good food", "cheap legal pussy", "cheap beer", "cheap Ocean views", and "cheap labor" categories.

The funny thing is, you have to invent all sorts of new categories for Mexico, that you wouldn't even have thought of prior to living there for awhile - like the "dead dogs per mile" and "gas stations per mile" categories. There are roughly 3 Pemex's per mile in the urban zones - Mexico actually wins in this category. But there are roughly 4 dead dogs per mile in the suburban Mexico zones.

I’m working on a new little Mexican girl in the Burger King across the street from my work. You should see the body! She’s 19 years with huge tits, perfect body. Face is a little ugly. I took her out to lunch and I tried to fuck her in the Movies last week. This morning I went to Burger King and she was with another guy. This guy was 5’0”, he looked like a rat. His physical fetures actually looked like a rat. After 10 minutes of him being all over her, he left. She came up to me and said, Jose, isn’t he a nice guy?
I said he looks like a “Rat”. She said, no, he’s so nice. I said, Am I in some sort of nightmare? Aren’t we sort of Boyfriend/Girlfriend? She said, I really like him, he’s so sweet. Etc… This guy is the ugliest motherfucker in the world. I said, so you and I aren’t together? She said, were friends and I want you to meet him. The guy has nothing not even good looks, their children will look like “Little rats” With her face and his body. When she gives birth, the Dr. will spank her. He’s illegal too. Naturally I said I would never want to meet him. She just called up on the phone asking me if I was still mad. I said, But not being facious, betweet you and him you children will look like little “Rats”, if you had children with me they will be Dr.’s, Politicons, etc… I said, you and I will have tall green eyed babies that are very intelligent. She said, Tell me more. With a sigh… I said, they may even be the presidents of Mexico and the US. I said, I want to take you tonight and have intercourse with you until the sun rises. She said, OK! I’ll tell my aunt I’m going to spend the night with my girlfriend Jasmin. She also said, Jose! I really like “Ratboy”, can I still see him? I said, as long as you and I are consimated “nolvios” and you only have sex with me, you can hang out with him tell the cows come home. But just remember that I’m going to want to have intercourse every chance we can get to make our future leaders of the free world.
She said, I’ll call my aunt right now. Your house or a hotel?

That’s a true story! I’m floating! Talk about taking a bad situation and turning it around. My next mission is to get little “Ratboy” deported!!!!!

Westfargo…

For you, it might be OK.

For me, in my current stage of life(middle-age crisis), it is a "No Go" for now.

I've decided to "Scrub the Mission", and "Go with Throttle-Up" in San Diego and Riverside Counties. I'll still visit once a week - but no more of this living on "Gilligan's Island".

Speaking of "Gilligan's Island", wouldn't you just love to bend over Ginger and MaryAnn, and go back and forth between the both of 'em, fucking 'em doggie style?

God! It gives me a hard-on just thinking about it.

Diego,

I saw Ginger and MaryAnn in a recent documentary about "Gilligan's Island" and they were looking pretty fuckin old. Are you sure you want to fuck them? ... (prog)

I took my little Burger King girl to the Hotel last night. Her body is so beautiful, but that face, she looks like she's always mad. It took me 2 hrs. to fuck her. She was one of those one's that says. Do you love me? And I had to repeat it 50 times. The reason she looks so mad is that her parents are 100% Myan. Wow! It's so exotic fucking a pure blood Myan. However, she's a little to tall and slender to be pure blood. But she's only 19 with no kids. As soon as she shits out a kid she'll look like a firehidrent. Late last night I woke up and I was just stairing at her. They have huge mouths with BIG teeths. however, they usually never give BJ's. What a waist. I've fucked many pure blood Myans. Almost all their pussy's are HUGE. They have natural huge birth canals, I could have fist fucked her but after the fourth finger. She said, No! and she gave me lots of problems. O'well maybe next time.

It's funny, everytime I have a pure blood myan. The experience reminds me of an American photographer that deceided to photograph the Mexicans Indians in the Copper Canyon back in the 1890's. He called the the Indians. "Odiously unkept barbarians" He said he would have to "Change his staff" almost every day. Because they would take their earnings and drink and party every night and wouldn't get up in the morning. Also, non of the Indians wanted their pictures taken because their were afraid their souls would be taken away. The Mexican Millitary took him camera away too, on grounds that his was an American spy in Mexico to survey the country for an invasion. After the Military would confisticate his camera, he would promptly go to the nearest town were there was always a shop keeper selling a camera that a Mexican Cornol had just sold him.

I read all that in a National Geographic a couple of years ago.

Not much has changed in Mexico since the 1890's.

Westfargo...

Progman,
I too saw a Gilligans Island reunion. Ginger and Maryann are still hot. Not 18 years old hot. But they have that mature sexness. Whats wrong? Don't you know how to change geers. Maryann was mis 1964 Nevada, and ginger was a Marlyn Monrone wannabe. Maryann and ginger still have 5,000,000 times more class then any zona or Mexican chick I've ever met. I would still fuck the shit out of both of them. They're still women, arn't they? You guys sometimes suprise me. That's some first class shit. Yes they maybe 50 or 60 but if you turn off the light that would be some nice shit.

Westfargo...

WF, chill out..chill out.. I was making a joke... I don't think MaryAnn aged too bad but Ginger looked like she had one too many face lifts... (prog)

I was down in TJ Monday night to meet one of my chica friends for an allnighter(she uses the name Teresa or Mayte). I got to AB w/o incident, but she wasn't there...I got off work early, so I got to TJ 3 hours earlier than we'd agreed. I drove over to her house and she was there, not feeling like going into AB for work...she knew I would come to her house to get her. We went out to dinner at a nice marisco place in Zona Rio, then got a hotel room at Los Pinos(her recommendation, I usually stay at Hacienda del Rio). The hotel is pretty nice with a jacuzzi bath. We decide to go down to the beach with a bottle of champagne. I let her drive my car, which she does quite well. On the way to the beach we get pulled over by the Policia. I would like to say at this time that prior to 1 month ago, I have been to TJ approx. 100 times in the last 2 years and never once got pulled over. This is now the THIRD TIME IN A ROW that I've been stopped by cops down there and they want me to pay them off. 2 years, 100 trips no problem...now 3 times in a row. What the fuck is going on? Everytime they tell me a large amount like $80 or some such and I try to negotiate for $20. The first time I got away with $20, the 2nd time $40 and this time $29. I wish I had the balls to go with them to the station, but I am afraid of what could happen, so I just pay. My novia was pissed at them and wrote down the number on the patrol car and said she was going to report it...I hope she did. I've never had problems with rateros, only policia.

Except for this incident, it was a great trip. We spent the night together, went to Puerto Nuevo the next day for lunch. Looked at a few beach houses, and I dropped her and her friend Kimberly off at work at Adelita's at 6:00pm and headed back to the border and reality. I should be back down this Sunday night.

Adelito, you are probably going to get flamed for admitting that you paid off those cops when you were apparently not breaking any laws, and I want to say right now that that is not my intent. I do, however, advise you to never again pay a cop a bribe if YOU TRULY WERE DOING NOTHING WRONG. I am not saying it can't happen, but I have not spoken to one single person who was actually been taken to the station in the last two years after refusing to pay a bribe, even when they were guilty. I know it happened in the past, but the TJ police are now making a serious effort to reduce corruption, and have fired hundreds of cops. I suspect the officers are afraid you will rat them out if they take you in, especially if they have had previous complaints. I have twice (once as a driver, once as a passenger) had them say to follow them to the station, but when they saw we were actually going to do it, they stopped and gave back the drivers license. The last couple of times I have been stopped for nothing, the officer did a lot of hinting, but never flat out asked for money. Had they had a valid reason for pulling me over, or found something suspicious after doing so, I do not doubt that they would have written me a ticket or taken me in.

On a related note, I have not yet heard of an officer that would not accept $20 for a common traffic offense, if the person was polite and convinced them that they either had no more, or just flat were not going to pay more. I have even heard of guys getting out of DWI's for $20, when that really was all they had.

Remember, if a cop is corrupt, he probably has no interest in improving traffic safety, or anything else except making money. If he takes you to the station, he loses a lot of time that could be spent shaking someone else down. Just don't piss him off by being rude.

Hippie,
I couldn't have said it better my self.

Adelito,
I don't blame you for paying. However, don't do it next time. I've been to the Sindacature many times. The head cops name is Laura. If you have the cops numbers, you can get them fired.

However, I'm going to hit you over the head for this one. NEVER NEVER NEVER, let any Mexican for any reason drive your can in Mexico. Why? The insurance is for the driver not on the car. If she ever gets a small fender bender your car can be impounded for a long long time. Unless your car and a night or two in jail isn't worth more than $50. In the years gone by I've had a number of them ask to drive my car. Remember their just 8 years olds in 20 years old bodys. They have NOTHING to loose. Just say no! I don't care if she's a bus driver, don't let her do it. Your luckey the cop didn't have your car impounded for her driving it. It's against the law for any Mexican to drive a forien car without the forien owner in it. So I think you gave the cops a reason to pull you over. You might have done it a hundred times with no problems. But, when you get in a wreck or have a problem, your going to wish you were born in Canada and never seen Mexico...

Your smart, don't let your dick do the thinking!!!!

Westfargo...

Hippie said
On a related note, I have not yet heard of an officer that would not accept $20 for a common traffic offense, if the person was polite and convinced them that they either had no more, or just flat were not going to pay more.

I've only paid a bribe once down in TJ, ib 20 years of driving there. I WAS guilty of running a red light, and the cop took $5 for it.

If your pulled over and have done nothing wrong be calm, don't show any weekness, and give a very firm "No hice ningun infracción"

Diego said
in moments of drunkennes, I've had many Mexicans really tell me how they really feel about Americans - it is fucking scary, dude. Remember, they have been taught in school how WE FUCKED THEM during the Mexican-American War

Mexicans don't sit around thinking how they can get back at Americans, at least not the few hundred that I've known well. But I do know what your talking about. in moments of drunkennes some of them will get thier nerve up enough to bring this up to see what you have to say about it. But even the ones that are worked up about it, aren't out to get revenge. Much like when they get around to what I think about illegal aliens in the US. I'll tell them (and quite passionatly) the US needs to get serious about protecting it's borders, and deport all the people who don't respect our laws, and entered this country illeagly. Yet, I have MANY close friends who are in this country illegally.

Chargers, I should have made it clear that $20 is the MOST you should ever have to pay to get out of a minor offense. However, my experience has been that unless one speaks fluent Spanish, the bargaining can get really tough below that point.

Hippie and Westfargo,

I appreciate your advice and I do think you are correct. I did try negotiating with them, but only the first one would go as low as $20. I guess I'd better be a little more firm next time.

As far as me being innocent, I was clearly guilty of running a red light the first time, so $20 was a whole lot better than it would have been here. The second time the cop said I was speeding and I probably was. He nailed me right after the loop that takes you into Centro from the boarder. The third time was the other night when she was driving, I think she made an illegal turn, but I am not sure. She said she would report the cop and I will be talking to her this weekend. I will report back what she tells me.

WF, you're right about it being stupid of me to allow her to drive my car eventhough I was in it. Even I wouldn't be foolish enough to let her take off in it alone. I somehow had it in my mind that with a local driving, it would actually be less likely to be a problem with the cops. I guess I got a pretty valuable lesson for a bargain price considering what could have happened if she'd crashed my ride.

WestFargo gets cops at $20, sometimes even $9.95, 'cause they really like him.

The rest of us pay 400 pesos, or even $60.

It's all in the negotiations.

Explorer8939,

WestFargo doesn't get that price for all cops... just the ugly ones LoL ... (prog)

Just in case Explorer's sarcasm makes others misunderstand, let me restate that I have never heard of a cop flat refusing $20. Heck, the ticket itself is only a little more than that, although someone told me recently it had gone up to over $30 now. They will always try to get more, but all you have to do is stand firm. As I said before, it helps if you can convince them that you don't have any more. If you are one of these guys who does the money in multiple pockets thing, keep $19 - $21 in ones and fives in one pocket, so that you can pull it out and show it to him. Maybe have a few coins somewhere that you can throw in also. I have never gone to this extreme, but I am sure it would work. I am not a particularly good negotiator, by the way, and you don't need to be either. Just don't act intimidated, and when they try to scare you by asking if you want to go to the station just say you will if that is what they insist on. I have gone as far as restarting my car and saying OK when they said we had to go there. The cop walked back to his bike, talked to his buddy for a couple of minutes while he let me think it over, than came back and took the $20 when I did not appear worried. If you don't speak fluent Spanish, and the cop does not speak English, pretending not to understand anything he says seems to work well also.

Also, if the ticket is for an American, they no longer have to take you to the station. They can issue you a ticket and you can pay it somewhere in the San Diego area. I believe it is still the officer's choice if he wishes to do that or take you to the station. I suspect that one who is honest enough to write the ticket will never ask for a bribe in the first place. If you really are guilty, think of the bribe as an opportunity, not a pressure tactic. It creates a win-win situation for both you and the officer, although not for the city coffers. It is a heck of a lot cheaper than the same offense in the U.S.

As far as having a Mexican with you being helpful, I am not so sure. Many of the locals who have lived in TJ are so used to the old days when corruption was so much worse, that they seem to be even easier targets than Americans. It is interesting to see how much less intimidated by the police the new arrivals are. I suspect your chica may fit into this category, Adelito.

I don't mean to come off as an expert on TJ cops, but as an American who is frequently near the zona in an expensive car, I have had more than my share of experience with dishonest cops. I also have a lot of friends who have much more TJ experience than I, and I asked a lot of questions on this subject before I started driving in TJ. I will say that I have never been hassled outside the Coahuila area, but I drive pretty carefully by Mexican standars. I have a theory that the most corrupt cops try to get stationed there because that is where the pickings are the best.

Thanks again Hippie,

That is good info. Next time it happens I will go ahead and stand firm and not budge over $20. If he says no, I'll just say we'll have to go to the station. If we really do go all the way to the station, do you think I would be safe reporting that he wanted me to pay him?

That is a question I have asked myself many times, and I really don't know the answer. If it was just me, I would play it by ear, and probably report it in the process of telling my story to the judge, as opposed to making an issue of it to a superior. I know this seems kind of cowardly, but I try to be a realist, and I drive in TJ a lot and don't need him and his buddies to be out to get me. Then again, if he pissed me off, who knows?

By the way, from what I have heard, being taken to see the judge is nothing to stress over. It is just a waste of a couple of hours.

Adelito, Hippie,
I've been taken to see the judge before. I learned a valuable lesson. If it's a Friday or Saturday night. Your going to most likely spend all night there. At first they'll have you wait in a holding "Cell" for a few hours. It's not bad. But if the night "Judge" is late from desposing some Americans body parts. Then you'll just have to wait. If the "Cell" get to crowded then they lock you up with the drunks and you pass around a bucket to pee in. And on a week night you wait and wait, because there's a hundred other guys in there too. A lawyer will come up to you at some point and say, If you give me $100 I'll get you out within 30 minutes. I've been taken in on Tuesday night. 2 hour wait, I paid a 50 peso release charge. And I've been in on a Friday night where I should have paid the $100, because they really tortured me. It was one of the most horible aganizing, humiliating experiences I'd ever been thru. I don't know why they didn't just take my wallet and kick me out the front. They even told me to give them my credit cards so they can go get money out of the ATM to pay my finds. It's a long stoy I posted a few months ago. O' by the way. The only thing I was doing wrong was walking in front of the Fracaso!

Westfargo...

Dudes;

They thru me in the klink last month for "brown-eying" the doormen at Safari Club. They told the cop that works in there, and I tried to run from the cops when he got on his radio, but they cornered me a few blocks away. I was shocked that they really didn't go any worse on me because I ran.

Westfargo, I can't speak about your experiences, but they do not match what I have heard from others who have been to see the judge in TJ for a traffic offense (not a wreck) in the last couple of years. It does match what I have heard in older times however. I realize that my accounts are only second hand, so who knows for sure?

Diego, what the heck is "brown-eying"? If you are saying you hit him, unless there is more to the story, it sounds like they did exactly what the law requires/allows, and no more. Correct?

I dropped my drawers, and showed them my "brown eye".

OK, obvious now that I know.

Diego

Did you "wink" too?

E

Epimetheus,

Remember Diego is a "Q", he can make it talk!

Hippie and Westfargo,
I was down Sunday afternoon until Monday night. I took my car to get the seats and carpet upholstered. I hung out at AB Sun. until midnight when my favorita was ready to go. As we were making our way to Los Pinos I got pulled over AGAIN! That makes 4 times in a row. This time I really wasn't speeeding, but the copper said I was. He was asking my novia what she does for a living and she told him she was a housewife that stays home and takes care of the children. I could tell the cop didn't believe her and a minute or so later he asked what she really does, she gave him the same answer, which I confirmed. He wanted to know where we were going and where we'd been. He asked if I'd been drinking. I said no and he bent down to smell my breath. I then said I had 1 beer with dinner, which wasn't too far off(Thank God...kinda unusual for me).I could tell he was waiting for me to bring up a mordida, but I didn't and I asked him what we should do. He said we'd have to go to the station so I could pay the fine and it would be about 600 pesos. I said OK, let's go. He kept looking at me funny and I knew what he was thinking, but I kept my nerve. He got in his truck and told us drive and he'd follow. We got to 1/2 block before Los Pinos Hotel when he pulled up next to me and told me to just go.
I guess that strategy really does work. It wasn't quite as intimidating because it's happened so much lately. Thank God it all worked out. I was consciously thinking about what you guys said while this episode was occurring and it definitely helped steel my nerves. Thanks again.

btw, if anyone saw a red convertible parked in front of AB Sunday night...that was me.

Adelito,
Good going! Now to get an "A+" Did you write down the number and complane?. But remember don't complane to the cops on 8th and Revolution go to the Cidacatura. If you don't know where they are. Ask the cops on Revolution. There're the Cidacature/Federallies.


Everybody!
Friday night Roger and I crossed the border at about 6:00PM. There were 4 people with signs saying. “Buy the Mexican dream, live the Mexican nightmare!”
Roger and I started to talk to the people. Most are from California, I said, didn’t you know that there’s 25 million Mexican nationals and descendents that are will to risk their lives to come here. And there you are giving the same people millions of dollars that the others are running away from.
The leader was one of the smartest guys I’ve ever talked too. He’s a 63-year-old retired cosmetic surgeon from San Francisco. He said, I think the only reason we came down here is that it was such a good deal that we were totally blinded, and we didn’t look at the risks involved. Face it, if the risks weren’t there, every American would be down there.
If we were to really have done a risk assessment, the land and property would have been worth nothing and we would have rented instead of buying. Americans come to Mexicans and say, look at how cheap everything is! They fail to take into account the that the risks are so great that the odds are always stacked against you no matter what the price is.
He goes on to say, Americans rent apartments in along the border for $300 a month. But it takes hours to cross the border, with the police, banditos, and so many other potential problems that usually creep up, they should just pay $500 a month is San Ysidro or Chula Vista where at least an American has a fighting chance.

That guy wins the Westfargo “Common sense of the month award”. This award goes to anybody, American or Mexican that can demonstrate they are using more then 5% of their brains. He would make a world-class monger. To bad it took all his life savings to learn. But he actually learned, that’s more then I would say about most mongers…

As a side note. He says he hasn’t stepped one foot into Mexico for over 3 months. Why? He said, he and his friends are getting death threats almost daily. Their attorney recommended not stepping one foot into Mexico. Why? Because Americans with big mouths many times just disappear.

Rogers response to that. You don’t need a big mouth to disappear in Mexico. Just a BIG wallet!!!!!! The guy paused, and said, You know something. There’s more truth in that statement then there are grains of sands on the beach.

I wish there were more Americans that thought like him!

I didn’t ask him, but I bet you he goes to the zona. He’s too smart to be one of those idiots that roams Revolution.

Westfargo…

Congrats, Adelito. I am glad I was able to help. Now for a question. Has every time you have been pulled over been in the same general area and in the same car? Since you drive what sounds like a very recognizable car, it is possible the first or second cop who pulled you over told his friends that you are an easy mark. Hopefully this last cop will tell them you have wised up, but maybe not. He might be embarrassed that he failed to get any money out of you.

I also got pulled over Friday night, because there was so much traffic that I did not feel like taking my usual circuitous route to the zona. I went through motorcycle cop central, and as usual got pulled over. I don't know why, but the encounter was amazingly smooth. He said my turn signal had not been on, I said yes it had, we argued a couple of times, I showed him my license, and that was it. He never even looked at my registration. I still got to my parking lot quicker than I would have normally, so it was a good decision.

Hippie,
The first time I got pulled over was Cinco de Mayo weekend on Agua Caliente by a motorcycle cop. I pulled over at the stadium in that parking lot where we discuused the matter. I was driving my Volvo. The second time was on Carilla Puerta...the street after the loop going to Centro right south of the border. I was driving my friend's Volvo...different color. He was a motorccle cop as well. The third time was on the road going to Playas de Tijuana a mile or so before the autopista. I don't know what street that was...maybe Juarez, but I am not sure. It's where you start going up the hill, but are still in town. I was driving my Volvo. The cop was driving a sedan. and according to my novia seemed kinda drunk...I didn't notice. This last time was on Blvd. Fundadores. If you don't know this street, it begins near where Rev. turns into Agua Caliente and goes up into the mountains south of town. I got stopped about a mile up by a cop in a truck. There were 2 other people in the truck that didn't get out. I thought they were his kids maybe, but my novia said they were cops too.

So 4 stops...all in different parts of town...in 3 different cars.

btw Los Pinos is a great hotel for an all nighter. The first time I was there it was $53 total for a jacuzzi room. This time it was $37 total for a non jacuzzi room. And it's real clean and private. 2 porno channels on the TV.

Westfargo said
The leader was one of the smartest guys I’ve ever talked too. He’s a 63-year-old retired cosmetic surgeon from San Francisco. He said, I think the only reason we came down here is that it was such a good deal that we were totally blinded

That guy wins the Westfargo “Common sense of the month award”. This award goes to anybody, American or Mexican that can demonstrate they are using more then 5% of their brains

Where I come from, I'd call this guy a dumbass. Maybe a little wiser today, but still a dumbass.

Living in Mexico defenitly isn't for everybody, but some people seem to do just fine there. I've known many retired Americans living in Cuernavaca, and most love it there. But it certainly doesn't sound like this guy was using more then 5% of his brain.

Chargers,
Yes he's a bumbass, when he was living in Mexico he wasn't using any of his brains. Now he's at 5%. That's a 500% jump. I know many mungers that started out using 5% years ago and now they use nothing.
I've been to every state in Mexico and have asked 100's of people, how do like living in Mexico. 90% say they love it, But! Then when I start to tell them my experiences. They open up and vomit stories that make mine look like nothing.

They like other Americans love to play James Bond and flash their money all over the place. Big beautiful houses, new cars, etc... But they usually never go anywhere and most only have Americans as their friends. That greatly limmits their exposure to Mexicans. Especially in Cornavaca. It's beautful there, but there's also many 1000's of Americans that live there. Why? The weather sucks. Cold, rainy, smoggy, volcanos, windy, traffic, poor indians, the usual shit. But there's 1000's of Americans and there for the Americans can live there without comming in contact the "Mexicans".

Overall cornavaca sucks dick. I'll take the slums of Acapulco any day!!!!

Westfargo...