Roger just called me on the phone and told me that a monger I know that's name is Jim. ?. He's a 50ish retired police officer from San Diego. He used to alway hang out in front of the Odessa 2001 with a tank top and he sort of looked like Santa Clause, he had a little souther Accent. I have in Phone and Address somewhere.
But Roger said he spoke to a few mongers and they said the Jim was just convicted and sentenced to 5 years in a Mexican jail.
Does anybody have any information about Jim?

This is what Roger told me.

Jim lives in Tijuana, he would occasionly bring locals and whores to his apartment and the naibors got mad and complaned. The cops waited and sure enough he came home with a gal, don't know if she was a whore or not. But they arrested him and took him to jail. Within 2 weeks he was sentenced to 5 years in a Mexican jail. He's trying to raise $200,000 dollars so the government will release him. O' and YES! It's legal to buy your way out of a Mexican prison. As a matter of fact, if you've got money in Mexican prisons you can buy a larger sell and privecy. Many American families spend a few thousand dollars a month ot keep the Jailed love one's living in style in Mexican prisons. Anyway, he needs to raise $200,000 then the Mexican government will delcare him innocent and release him.

Does anybody have any information about him.
Roger is one of the most reliable mongers I know. But maybe his sourse isn't...

Just another reason you must have rocks in your head to live in Mexico.


Westfargo...

Yeah I saw that guy one time (Santa Claus looking MoFo). He offered to sell me drugs. Cops have the best shit you know.

Harold_Johnson,
Wrong guy. This Santa Clause hates beer, drugs, anything illigal. He's as clean as they get. I'm just so suprised he's in prison. I know it's easy to go to prison in Mexico. I just didn't think it would be him. But the Mexicans got to put someone in Jail. Why not him. Says Roger. I just spoke to Roger on the phone. He say I just spoke to another monger. He too confirmed Jim's in Jail for 5 years or $200,000 witch ever comes first.
Also, I just spoke to my little Rosio in LA. She said, if Jim spends 6 months in the Mexican Jail his release amount will go way down. $10,000 or $20,000 to release him. She said, that's common in Mexico to find a judge after a few months that will reduce you release amount to the amount that you can pay. And it's common for Rich people. ie(Americans) to have VERY high release amounts. In the US it's the same way. Right? We call it bail. However, in Mexico, bail can be posted even after being convicted. I sort of like that!

Westfargo...

Actually, they call it bail in Mexico. also. I don't know if that is the officail name for it or not, but that is what have always heard it called. Very ironic, I think.

So it's illegal to bring "providers" to your humble abode in TJ? Many massage chicas advertise in the TJ paper that they make house calls..

Hippie,
Rosio said, if your convicted and tried by Jury and found gulty of a "HIGH OFFENSE" she said, you can't buy your way out of Jail for Murder, Kidnapping are High Offenses. She said, almost all the rest of the offenses have price tags on them. My Ex said Honduras is the same. That may be common in cash strapped countries. Again, I like it!

Altogringo,
Roger said, that his friends said they got him on a lot of offenses. You have to speak to Roger. But he said, having the women over is considered Disturbing the peace, Womenizing, and a few other laws that no one has been convicted for since Montizumas era. All Jims friends and I think it's your typical set up. Yes, there may be a law about bringing women to your apartment. But if he wasn't American, I think the nabieors wouldn't have minded it. Just think if your super poor with a fat ugly women and you have 8 kids. And a super "rich" Japaneese guys would bring home a different 18 years old to his house every other night or so. And he had a big screen TV, and washer dryer nice car etc. That would piss you off too!

Westfargo...

"Rosio said, if your convicted and tried by Jury and found gulty of a "HIGH OFFENSE" she said, you can't buy your way out of Jail for Murder, Kidnapping are High Offenses."

Well WF sounds like neither you nor your imaginary friend know that people accused of murder and kidnapping are NOT tried by a jury in Mexico. Trial is by judge only.

Gee with all the years you've supposedly spent living and working in Mexico I would have thought you'd know that.

good point reytj
i didnt know that but now i do

funny post too
this is not a flame on westfargo - just i think he was given bad info or incorrect info on this matter

westfargo has some good posts and some that i dont agree with but i cannot argue with him because he has been in mexico for a lot longer than i have been and should know more than me.

the $200,000 dollar jail thing doesnt seem right.

i do know from experience about noise complaints in mexico - i stayed in rosarito for 1 month and my friend had lots of parties -
and the very few times the police came he was given a warning and only once he paid a small fine of 25 dollars and thats when i was there.
since then- my friend who is white has recieved several complaints in rosarito and has never been to jail - just had to pay a few fines.

matter of fact i have stayed in girls apartments in tj that have soo much noise during the weekends
it is tough to sleep and never do i see one cop going to any of these apartments to complain.

i think somebody has give bad info and not all the correct info to westfargo

can he be right ?
if that is the case , i will watch out where i sneeze in tj because if somebody complains i will be thrown in jail for a month or come up with $20,000 dollars

take care
milkman

I believe that drug and weapons convictions, at least the more serious ones, are also nonbailable offenses. Of course, if you have ENOUGH money...

As far as being able to buy a person's way out of jail, I am sure I would like it as well if I had been convicted of a crime. From a public safety standpoint, however, I'm not so certain.

Reytj,
According to Rosio, the Mexican judicial system is 100% like the US's. However, you have to hire an attorney to convinse the judge that you didn't do the crime. Because they beleive that if someone complanes about a crime, crime must have been committed. A judge will determin if the crime warrents being heard by a "Jury" wich consisis of a pannel of Lawyers, "in the US it's 9 or our piers) There it's a bunch of professional Lawyers that know the law for a living. She calls it "Nepolianic Law", sounds fair to me. In the US we call it guilty before proven innocent. Until Rosio explaned it, I too thought every law that wasn't like the US's system was fucked up. But I sort of like the way the Mexicans do it. However, I'm positive Jim doesn't deserve 5 years in the slammer!

I'm not asking for your "EXPERT" opinion. I've already contacted REAL Mexicans to explane the law to me. I just asked, Do you know him? If you've been in the zona walking around for any leanth of time, you would know who I'm talking about.

And YES, if he pays $200,000 he can walk home tomorrow!!!

Westfargo...

Any of the lawyers or ex-legal students out there want to give a brief (i.e., short enough that some might survive it without snoring) explanation of the difference between legal systems based on the Napoleonic code and those based on English common law? If I try it, I am sure I will get something incorrect.

And flunk out TWICE??? No thanks

Well hey, for extra credit you can include the Socialist and Islamic systems as well. I really could use something to help me sleep.

In Mexico there is no jury of "lawyers", that is pretty laughable. It is a judge based system. All trials are before Judges. The Napoleonic Code for the criminal matters has a presumption of guilt until proven innocent. Here the presumption is innocent until proven guilty and you have a right to a jury trial. No jury trial in mexico. Otherwise the laws in Mexico are not too dissimiliar to the US and they are based upon the French Napoleonic code, similiar to Lousianna.

WF writes "I'm not asking for your "EXPERT" opinion"

You don't know me but if you did you'd know that I don't talk off the top of my head.The following is taken from Mexico, a country study

Federal Research Division
Library of Congress

Edited by
Tim L. Merrill and Ramón Miró

Research Completed June 1996

Criminal Justice System


In most instances, arrests can be made only on authority of a judicial warrant, with the exception of suspects caught in the act of committing crimes. Suspects often are arrested without warrants, but judges tend to overlook this irregularity. Those arrested are required to be brought before an officer of the court as soon as possible, generally within forty-eight hours (ninety-six hours when organized crime is alleged), whereupon their statements are taken and they are informed of the charges against them. Within seventy-two hours of arraignment, the judge must remand the arrested person to prison or release him or her.

Criminal trials in nearly all cases are tried by a judge without a jury. The judge acting alone bases his or her verdict on written statements, depositions, and expert opinion, although in some instances oral testimony is presented. Defendants have access to counsel, and those unable to afford legal fees can be assigned public defenders. The quality of pro bono counsel is often inferior. The accused and his or her lawyer do not always meet before trial, and the lawyer may not appear at the important sentencing stage. The right to a public trial is guaranteed, as is the right to confront one's accusers and to be provided with a translator if the accused's native language is not Spanish. Under the constitution, the court must hand down a sentence within four months of arrest for crimes carrying a maximum sentence of two years or less, and within one year for crimes with longer sentences.

In the US, 7 states have a legal system based on the Napoleanic Code (with major modifications). The rest of the states are based on English common law. Of course, as a result of the existence of the Federal government, state law is being transmogrified into homogeneity.

The important thing for us is that English common law does not hold in those 7 states, which are in the area stolen from Mexico. This means that your long-time live-in girlfriend ain't considered your wife, even though she's been with you for more than the required 7 years IF you are in California.

Reytj,
Now your getting half a brain. If you don't know something. Then you look it up. I used a Mexican National that has a 5th grade education and most are habitual liars too. Why? Because they want to help out one of the leaders of the "free" world so much they go cross eyed.

Good work. But we still didn't learn anything. but if you are unlucky in Mexico like Jim, your going to go to the slammer for 5 years.
We do know one thing!
ALL Americans are targes in Mexico and when your times up down there. Westfargo, will be the only one that will try to help you. All the rest of the mongers will be laughing a fucking at you while you rot in some Jail.

TJHOMBRE! Your a lot like me. Your trying to help these guys out. Think of Jim as yourself, what would you want these mongers to do to help you out? I littlerly have saved at 50 mongers from going to jail or getting killed, right in front of me. And I've never gotten one thanks. I'm with you TJHOMBRE, get all the money you can. Because when your times up in the zona. No one will lift a finger to help you. In my book your the smart one!

An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure!

Westfargo...