Old People

They hold most of the wealth in this country.

They have spent all the money and are leaving us with a whopping debt.

They expect the rest of us to pay for their retirement through social security, etc., just like a Ponzi scheme.

you must be a genius - these old people have worked very hard - they have paid there own way, go back to school, read some books, work real hard for about 30 years. your a fucking idiot who should move to cuba !

CUBA??? There are enough commies at this site who spend time there already.

The US is a socialist welfare state already. It is a welfare state for rich old people, thanks for a grey lobby that has too much free time on its hands. They vote more than their children, and there are more of them. They keep voting themselves rich. At the expense of everyone else. "From each according to his ability; To each according to his advanced decrepid age."

And now they have invented Viagra for them, which allows rigor mortis to set in somewhat. So they spend all their discressionary income on that instead of their children (who are supposed to pay the oldie's the social security fund that these oldies have already squandered).

There has got to be some oldies here who are concerned about this topic.

Thanks for noticing that I am a genius.

Ben is old

Genius,

You are absolutely right on your assessment of the problem with old people. Because of new wonder drugs, improved health care and life styles, many of these people will have to have a stake driven through their hearts to kill them. The senior citizens of this country are dragging us all down.

I also agree that those smart enough to save and invest their money should not receive Social Security even though they probably by far have paid the most into the system. SS should be paid out to those that have earned it by not saving their money and having no way to provide for themselves at retirement. In fact anyone who is still working after age 62 and receives a substantial income should be penalized for being successful by having his SS taken away at a $1 for every $2 he earns. Also if they have been successful and smart with their investments they should have their SS taxed in order to give back at least 25-40% of the money, while of course the deserving (low income) should not have to pay any tax and of course get free medical care, although many never paid a significant amount of money into SS or Medicare.

One other suggestion is that we get rid of some of these whacko universities where all these greasy long haired, drug sucking scum get their socialist educations and either send these students to welding school are better still to the armed forces so they can become productive citizens and help support me in my old age.

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sandman

Very good words Sandman.

Ben,

You are consistently the funniest senior citizen on the board. God you made me laugh.

Batsterwhowantstogrowuptobeben

Ben, were you being serious or is it just the scotch talking tonight? Why should someone who has been successful in life now be penalized regarding their SS benefits?

"Hey you, old man, get your greedy hands up against the wall. Fucking capitalist leech. Working long hours and putting your own savings at risk just so you could make other people look bad. Instead of sharing your illgotten gains with the employment challenged members of our society you have chosen to divorce yourself behind walls of concrete covered with the blood of exploited union workers at $28.72 an hour with matching benefits and a 75% retirement after 20 years, inflation indexed plus 1%. Old man, you have produced only more machines to count your money stacked upon the bleached bones of worn out workers who have collapsed while trying to reach every mall store in one short session."

hee hee hee. That was fun.

I believe in the flat tax. As in flatten old people.

Seems like SS is headed for a deficit in perhaps 10 years. Maybe we need to get Social Security completely away from legislators, and privatize the whole mess. Social Security taxes could be invested in real financial assets, not government promises to raise future taxes. Let individual workers divert their payroll taxes to individually owned accounts, similar to their IRAs or 401(k) programs. If we did that, then politicians couldn't raid the trust fund, as is their inclination.

What kind of commie would be against privatization?

I think Singapore probably has the best idea going. Everyone is required to set aside a percentage of their income for a social security like program except......it is their own account! They are only allowed to "play" with 5% of it in non approved investments so they don't squander it all away in risky investments. Their contributions go directly to their own future retirements.

No one is bitching about having to support others, there is no impending deficit, the more money they make, the more money they have for retirement, no caps or penalties if they continue to work and earn and everyone is quite happy to have the deduction taken from their pay checks.

Hummmmm!

Sandman

With all due respect, I think I have the best idea going. (my first idea) We could make them into fertilizer or something. What ever happened to the bright vision of the future put forth in the movie, Death Race 2000?



Butt seriously, that sounds very safe and sane, Sandman.

I'm wondering how the "approved investments" part works. To what extent does restricting the investments create a false sense of security? Which investments get approved and which don't? Just how conservative are the investments? Just how narrow are the choices?

If we were to create something like this here, how would we transition from the old social security plan to the new one? It seems like maybe we are edging in that direction now.

By the way, I forgot to use the word "compassionately" somewhere in that last post.

Tight_Fit,

The only serious part of my post was the part where we shut down the University of California at Berkeley.

The part regarding SS is now all true today and sadly those who have saved for retirement are penalized by continuing to work past age 62. People who retire and receive an income above $36,000(or something in that range) are also penalized by having to pay taxes on up to 85% of there SS payments.

SS originally was set up as a tax free payment to all people and you were not suppose to be penalized for earning "To Much" income at retirement.

Right from SS:

If you're under full retirement age when you begin receiving your Social Security benefits, $1 in benefits will be deducted for each $2 you earn above the annual limit. For 2003, that limit is $11,520.
In the year you reach full retirement age, $1 in benefits will be deducted for each $3 you earn above a different limit, but only for the months before the month you reach the full retirement age. For 2003, this limit is $30,720. Starting with the month you reach full retirement age, you can receive your full benefits with no limit on your earnings.

I don't see the problem here. When Ben's crowd finally does retire, they can afford the good life on their monthly Social Security stipen.

There's those trips to Costa Rica to catch Blue Marlin


Countless hours out at the farm for equestrian entertainment


Yessir - retirement the American Way, courtesy of 40 years contributions into a zero return trust-fund that is routinely raped by fat politicians. Sign me up!

Funny DG

The first thing I am going to do after I retire is buy a boat.

I'm not sure if dying while having sex is such a great way to go.

I know a friend of the woman who was with Nelson Rockefeller when he made his final exit. The woman claims vigorously that they weren't having sex. Nobody believes her.

You should have heard the Gen X crowd talking about social security at work a few days ago. The kill oldie sentiment was high. A few Glenn Miller groupies piped in with their own concerns.

$1,500 a month from SS is enough to live on in many asian countries. 60,000 baht a month in Thailand also gets you a sleep-in dictionary. Purely educational of course.
SS is a pay as you go system, Cutting my SS benefits but letting me put the same amount (before tax and withdrawing tax free) in the stock market would be my way of solving the problem. Yes I know the market goes down but over 20 years it goes up.

SS may be a pay as you go program but it is definitely not an earn as you pay one. There is a set limit on how much you can receive per year. Paying more now in taxes does not get necessarily get you more in the future. Once you hit the earn out limit you still are forced to "contribute" to something that will no longer benefit you at all. I understand the theory that we are all sacrificing for the good of society but everyone knows what utter crap that is.

It's not for nothing that the crooked politicians have exempted themselves from SS prefering a retirement program that offers them a near 100% annual payback. Ditto with all the rightous judges right down the line through the "lesser" civil servants (boy is that last word a joke). One of the reasons Greyout Davis is going to jack everyone's taxes up is because the California Retirement Program is sucking ever increasing amounts out of the overall revenue. This is also taking place on a national level. We are not suppose to bad mouth our police and firefighters but a majority of them conveniently retire with a disability plan which insures them mucho dinero while the rest of us get to look forward to our approx. $1500 a month on SS. Wow!

"I understand the theory that we are all sacrificing for the good of society but everyone knows what utter crap that is."

How true, how true.
(I didn't learn this in college, by the way)

Dogster-

The investments are all very secure and government controlled. Probably like guaranteed income funds. Although they may not pay much, there is no loss either. That is probably why they let them do their own thing on 5%.

Others-dying while in the arms of a beautiful lady...hummm...for the life of me I'd rather go then than on a golf course or fishing or watching TV or any other mundane activity.

Big smile on Sandys face!!!!

dogster - Genius, you must find it very funny that intelligent educated people actually respond to your nonsense. maybe your on the wrong site?
operation push + jesse jackson need someone like you! last i heard this site was about travel, escorts, + prostitution. have you thought about donating your brain for the good of society for research. einstein's brain was very large and grey in color. for club hombre's sake we need your brain today. LOL

A few quotes from P.J. O’Rourke’s “Parliament of Whores” (1991):

“How’d these rusty customers get to be worth a fortune? By costing me one. Ninety-two percent of the nation’s mortuary bait gets a Social Security check. A typical current retiree’s yearly take is $8,674. In order to pay for this, Social Security withholding tax on those of us who look at a Victoria’s Secret catalog with more hope than regret is now up to as much as $3855.60 a year. And if we have the bad luck – as this one of us does – to be self-employed, the bite is doubled: $7,711.20. That means some old doll whom I don’t even know is pestering her daughter-in-law with querulous long-distance calls, littering her front lawn with plaster ducks, overfeeding her toy fox terrier and haunting the bingo parlors on my dime.”

“About 30 percent of the American government’s budget is now spent on grizzled frumps. If we put a strictly monetary value on things,… this means we care as much about denture breath as we care about national defense. Two percent of the federal budget goes to education, so all those people Ed McMahon has to talk to real slow in the insurance commercials are 15 times as important to us as our children’s future…

“And it is going to get worse… (The child) of 2030 is going to have a job and maybe to or three of them. At the moment there are 3.4 people in the labor force for very Social Security beneficiary. By 2030 there will be fewer than two. If the present rate of old-goat entitlement continues, two thirds of the next century’s federal budget will be spent on the aged, while that pair of very tired and irritable people who are gainfully employed will pay a Social Security tax of between 25 and 40 percent of their earnings.”

“So what are we going to do with our pricey ancestors? I really can’t think of anything. Except maybe we could hunt them down and kill them. The government could sell licenses and old-bat stamps. We could go out on opening day and build some granny blinds by the RV hookups in Sun City—hide ourselves in a realistic-looking thicket of Medicare regulations, and when the back numbers hobble over to apply for $100 billion in benefits—POW!”

As someone who has paid into social security for forty-four years(first job at age 15) and can receive his first check in January 2005, I totally agree with you that SS is the biggest ripoff the liberal Democrats ever invented.

I, thank goodness, invested money in the stock market starting at age twenty and have invested in stocks for approximately forty years. If I had been able to invest my SS taxes for the past forty years, my income would be at least three times what my SS benefit will be at age 62.

This is not bullshit!!!!

you know what they should do? Rewrite the tax code so that corporations and churches have to pay their fair share and then take that money and support all the poor, young and old and shift the tax burden from guys like me. Me personaly I think that the stock market should be abolished or heavily regulated these are the people who fuck all of us over. euthanisation at age 70 for everyone,55 for bankers,corporate CEOs, stockbrokers/daytraders/mutual fund salesmen/clergymen and their flock /professional poker players ,and all the other leaners in society wouldnt be a bad idea either . But as long as all of us lifters are distracted this will never happen

Oh yeah and age 50 for entertainers ,political activists, and tv pundits

I think when rock stars die all copies of everything they ever did should be destroyed. Imagine, finally, no more Frank Sinatra! No more Led Zep! Uh, Keith Richards is dead, right? If not, he sure looks it!

Amen to all those damn chuches sitting on some of the best real estate around and paying zilch. Maybe Mel Gibson should do a serial to his current hit showing Jesus showing up outside your typical church, especially one of those huge mega ones, dressed in his typical Sunday rags, and start calling for the church to fork over its dough to the people it claims to be saving. He would probably be lynched within a month or so. Or else busted by the government for being a terrorist.

Maybe the publicly funded college you went to provided you the intelligence to achieve your retirement goals. How easy you can forget what taxation has done for yourselves.