Some of you guys clearly have some personal problems that are being externalized in this discussion. Perhaps you can spare us your tough talk and get over there yourselves to help find Saddam.

This has got to be on of the most entertaining threads since the Ole Kendricks/Ahora flame posts

Kendricks is back in the swing of things and even tuff guy Jarocho is throwing his weight around.

I personally think the protesters are a bunch of losers. Yea lets walk in the path of 4 ton tanks and get squished. Almost as bad as walking into Adelitas and getting squished by 2 ton chicas.

Lets be human sheilds and stand outside Sadams palace. Think those losers will ever get laid again ?

yea bush is gonna stop the war because people don't like war !
Get a fuckin clue you big pathetic losers
Its almost as bad as some on the wimpy mongers who think the chicas love them.

Milktuff

Kendrugs LOL

James,
I never said Iraq has anything to do with 9/11. The reason I brought 9/11 up was to make a point that regardless of whom we attack, the threat of terrorism is still there. You're real bad at taking any information and spin it around to make your point. I'm pretty sure that if cut a few quotes from a couple of newspapers, I can make it seem like the CIA was behind 9/11. What do you think of the moon landings? Did we really go there?

From the "stupid things politicians say" department:

"The read we get on the people of Iraq is there is no question but what they want to the get rid of Saddam Hussein and they will welcome as liberators the United States when we come to do that."

"Now, if we get into a significant battle in Baghdad, I think it would be under circumstances in which the security forces around Saddam Hussein, the special Republican Guard, and the special security organization, several thousand strong, that in effect are the close-in defenders of the regime, they might, in fact, try to put up such a struggle. I think the regular army will not. My guess is even significant elements of the Republican Guard are likely as well to want to avoid conflict with the U.S. forces, and are likely to step aside."

http://www.msnbc.com/news/886068.asp

dumb, dumb, dumb.

Jarocho

You say a couple of quotes out of a newapaper,

Hmmmm, how about over one hundred examples of pre knowledge, or are you telling me that you really do not care, which is what I think you are saying,

50. Sept. 6-7, 2001 - Put options (a speculation that the stock will go down) totaling 4,744 are purchased on United Air Lines stock, as opposed to only 396 call options (speculation that the stock will go up). This is a dramatic and abnormal increase in sales of put options. Many of the United puts are purchased through Deutschebank/A.B. Brown, a firm managed until 1998 by the current executive director of the CIA, A.B. "Buzzy" Krongard. [Source: The Herzliyya International Policy Institute for Counterterrorism (ICT), http://www.ict.org.il/, Sept. 21, 2001 (Note:The ICT article on possible terrorist insider trading appeared eight days *after* the 9/11 attacks.); The New York Times; The Wall Street Journal; The San Francisco Chronicle, Sept. 29, 2001]

So this is just one of over 103 items that point to pre knowledge, this is not coincedence and I am sure you are not so naive to think so

going further on the same point

51. Sept. 10, 2001 - Put options totaling 4,516 are purchased on American Airlines as compared to 748 call options. [Source: Herzliyya Institute - above]

52. Sept. 6-11, 2001 - No other airlines show any similar trading patterns to those experienced by United and American. The put option purchases on both airlines were 600 percent above normal. This at a time when Reuters (Sept. 10) issues a business report stating, "Airline stocks may be poised to take off."

53. Sept. 6-10, 2001 - Highly abnormal levels of put options are purchased in Merrill Lynch, Morgan Stanley, AXA Re(insurance) which owns 25 percent of American Airlines, and Munich Re. All of these companies are directly impacted by the Sept. 11 attacks. [Source: ICT, above;

I am not talking about theories or conjecture here, the CIA made money by purchasing put options on September 10, on AA, UA and their insurance companies, we are talking about millions and millions here. The SEC announced a couple of days after that they were aware of the put options and "it is with this information that we will find the persons behind this" then 2 weeks later the Wall Street Journal amoung others made the above announcement. At that point the SEC became completely silent.

And that the CIA sent Muhamed Atta $100,000 should not be a big deal then


No this is not just a collection of newpaper articles, this is a very disturbing compilation of evidence of prior knowlege by the very people that are supposed to protect us.

Oh and don't leave our the FBI

92. May 31, 2002 - FBI Agent Robert Wright delivers a tearful press conference at the National Press Club describing his lawsuit against the FBI for deliberately curtailing investigations that might have prevented the 9-11 attacks. He uses words like "prevented," "thwarted," "obstructed," "threatened," "intimidated," and "retaliation" to describe the actions of his superiors in blocking his attempts to shut off money flows to Al Qaeda and other terrorist groups. These are not words of negligence. They are words describing deliberate and malicious actions. [Source: C-SPAN website]


and of course the stand down order to not intercept the planes for over 75 minutes so they would be able to hit their targets

65. Sept. 11, 2001 - For 50 minutes, from 8:15 AM until 9:05 AM, with it widely known within the FAA and the military that four planes have been simultaneously hijacked and taken off course, no one notifies the President of the United States. It is not until 9:30 that any Air Force planes are scrambled to intercept, but by then it is too late. This means that the National Command Authority waited for 75 minutes before scrambling aircraft, even though it was known that four simultaneous hijackings had occurred. [Source: CNN; ABC; MSNBC; Los Angeles Times; The New York Times; www.tenc.net]


So I would say that from what you are saying that you have not even read any of the information that I posted,

Batster,

Hope you'll be all rested up from a good weekend when you read this.

I did admit that public protests are useful to Iraq. Where I differ with you and Kendricks is about whether the presently ongoing protests have had any effect on the prosecution of this war. They have not. Moreover, I notice you did not comment on any effect the torture and murder of coalition soldiers might have on the propaganda war. That's probably because you realize that those incidents only bolster support for the war.

And where I REALLY disagree with both of you is on the point of what defines a traitor. What do you think America stands for if NOT the right to speak your mind. Those people out there protesting, (and let me repeat I think they're wrong), do not deserve to be called traitors. Rather, anyone who would deny them the right to speak out is the traitor, because they will have betrayed what America prides itself on. And please don't tell me again that you are not trying to deny them their 'legal' rights, but only condemning them if they use them. That's ridiculous. What meaning does a right that cannot be used have?

I'm not denying them their "legal right" to express their opinions. I am just identifying them as traitors for using their rights in such a way that they have become tools of Saddam's propaganda machine, while we are at war with Saddam.

Why would you try to deny MY right to express my opinion that these cocksuckers are traitors? If you think that people have a right to protest, but that Batster and I do not have the right to call them traitors for doing so, you are a complete hypocrite.

Explorer, you are nothing but an armchair quarterback, and a fool. War is a messy game, and all predictions or assumptions will be fulfilled. This is the purpose of contingency planning.

Moreover, many statements released are purposeful disinformation, which is an important tactic, which we would be foolish not to use.

Oops, I meant to say "all predictions or assumptions will NOT be fulfilled."

Kendricks:

When Bush/Cheney make bad predictions, its disinformation, when a Democrat makes a bad prediction, they're an idiot.

I get it.

Um, no, that's not what I said at all. Not even close. You are the one who calls people idiots for not predicting the future reactions of people with 100% accuracy. Of course, you are also the person who can't even figure out what to do with a girl you meet on the street, who gives indications that she wants to fuck you.

As Mark Twain once said, "The art of prophecy is very difficult-- especially with respect to the future." No one can predict complex future events with precision, and contingency planning is always necessary. Anyone can second guess later, though.

This is nice:

NEW YORK (AP) -- A Columbia University professor told an anti-war gathering that he would like to see "a million Mogadishus" -- referring to the 1993 ambush in Somalia that killed 18 American servicemen.

At Wednesday night's "teach-in" on the Columbia campus, Nicholas De Genova also called for the defeat of U.S. forces in Iraq and said, "The only true heroes are those who find ways that help defeat the U.S. military." And he asserted that Americans who call themselves "patriots" are white supremacists.

De Genova's comments about defeating the United States in Iraq were cheered by the crowd of 3,000, Newsday reported. But his mention of the Somali ambush -- "I personally would like to see a million Mogadishus" -- was largely met with silence.

A call Friday to De Genova, 35, an assistant professor of anthropology, was answered with a recording that said his voice mailbox was full.

The university said in a statement that De Genova "was speaking as an individual at a teach-in. He was exercising his right to free speech. His statement does not in any way represent the views of Columbia University."

History professor Eric Foner, who helped organize the teach-in and spoke after De Genova, said Friday, "I disagreed strongly and I said so. If I had known what he was going to say I would have been reluctant to have him speak."

He said De Genova was a last-minute invitee, was just one of about 25 speakers and "did not represent the general tone of the event, which was highly educational."

Kendricks,

You poor lamb. Where did I suggest that you did not have a right to express yourself?

I simply pointed out that your opinion is more contrary to basic American ideals than that of the protesters.

You and Batster seem to see nothing wrong with the idea of curtailing individual freedoms for the sake of the state. In a nutshell, that's fascism and more of betrayal than anything I've heard from protesters.

Explorer--"The read we get on the people of Iraq....".

I love it when some expert talks about the "people". I was a subscriber to Forbes for over 15 years until I got so sick of their editorial kiss ass attitude towards Israel and several other equally repressive regimes. These guys would fly their huge private jet to Singapore or Seoul or where ever, spend a couple of hours meeting the ultra rich and powerful of the country, and fly back home. Then they would print in bold letters about how the "people of xxx" felt on some issue.

This total isolation from the real world is maybe the worse aspect of the elite of the Republican Party. And I suppose it is just as bad on the opposite side with greedy leeches like Barbara Streisand who fly THEIR equally large private jet to some convention and talk about the "mood of the people".

I don't think Bush and Company give a hoot about the people of Iraq except as a means to justify their oil and territorial expansions. OK, maybe they do feel a tinny bit. Afterall, someone is going to do the dirty work in retriving the oil and shipping it out. And we need someone to buy the US made products that we will force them to accept in exchange for the oil.

Can you imagine a future Coke commerical in Baghdad? Several Iraqis are doing a jive talking rap song while suitably uncloaked hot mamas are dancing in the background. Totally hip teens weave in and out of the video on skateboards made from scrap iron (former tanks of the Republican Guard), a closeup shows lots of body piercing and spiked hair, and everyone is obviously connected to the new world culture.

Lucky Jackoff, you fool, when did either I or Batster suggest that individual freedoms should be curtailed?

You are such a dumbass, it is unbelievable. There is nothing fascist about us pointing out that those who protest during wartime are helping Saddam, and are therefore traitorous assholes.

It is not a betrayal of anything American to point out that Americans who shout traitorous slogans in front of TV cameras while we are at war are assholes, and are helping our enemies.

I am simply exercising my first amendment right to free speech, to your shock and horror. You know, that first amendment right that you pay lip service to, but obviously don't give a shit about.

You have, however, heard the protesters betray the very land that gives them the freedom to speak their mind, and place the lives of the men and women who defend their freedom in further and unecessary jeopardy.

No amount of slander of lies from you and your ilk will silence me, or prevent me from pointing out what pieces of shit you and the traitors and dictators you coddle truly are.

Hee, Hee. Kendricks, nice act. One of the things I like about you is that you couldn't possibly be as rigid, narrow minded and insane as you pretend to be, but you carry it off well. Please keep up the good work, as you provide an excellent and valuable diversion from the important issues of the day. I especially enjoy all those "that's not what I said; you are an idiot" posts. And when you use phrases like "you and your ilk" it makes me tingle. I'm getting serious wood from your most recent post.

The rest of you are aspiring obsessive whack jobs, too, but you don't hold a candle ...err... nuclear warhead to Kenny.

Yours in international whoring, psychiatric medications, and precious bodily fluids...
Peace On Earth
Dogster

Gentlemen, please allow me to weigh in on this important issue. I too am concerned about the protesters’ negative influence on our troops and the outcome of the war. This is an age old problem, as scholars of military history are well aware. Does anybody remember that famous World War II slogan, “Loose Lips Sink Ships”? Here are some famous popular posters from that famous war to end all wars.



Well all I have to say is that loose lips DO sink ships. Please see the enclosed photo.

As you can see, the USS Bull_winkle has tragically begun to sink following a long and vigorous battle. The esteemed battleship fought valiantly, finally shooting a formidable shot across the enemy’s bow, but ultimately the BW could not stand the brutal frontal assault. All thanks to Loose Lips (not her real fake name).



I might add that tight lips sink ships, too, but that is another story for another day.

Kendricks,

Of course you are curtailing individual freedoms, you're just too much of a coward to own up to it.

On the one hand, you say protesters have a legal right to engage in protesting, however if they do, they're "traitors". What kind of choice is that? You are equating the right to protest with being a traitor.

If the American government waged a war that you did not agree with, (unlikely I know), would you be a traitor if you voiced your objections?

Hope that helps, it does my conscience good to help misguided patriots like you. ;)

"50. Sept. 6-7, 2001 - Put options (a speculation that the stock will go down) totaling 4,744 are purchased on United Air Lines stock, as opposed to only 396 call options (speculation that the stock will go up). This is a dramatic and abnormal increase in sales of put options. Many of the United puts are purchased through Deutschebank/A.B. Brown, a firm managed until 1998 by the current executive director of the CIA, A.B. "Buzzy" Krongard. [Source: The Herzliyya International Policy Institute for Counterterrorism (ICT), http://www.ict.org.il/, Sept. 21, 2001 (Note:The ICT article on possible terrorist insider trading appeared eight days *after* the 9/11 attacks.); The New York Times; The Wall Street Journal; The San Francisco Chronicle, Sept. 29, 2001] "

An absolute fabrication which was reported in several papers and TV as a fact. That is the kind of crap people love to want to believe.

The photo from Bull_Winkle reminded me of the French which reminded me of this email circulating around.. Amazing even Motel 6 is a French company (Accor)..
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>Subject: La France

>
> France has every right to disagree with America, but
France has moved
>from
>simple dissent to active hostility toward America.
France President
>Chirac
>warned East European nations that if they sided with the
US, France would
>oppose their membership in the European Union. This very
week, William
>Safire reported in the New York Times that France has been
secretly helping
>to arm Iraq and has been helping Iraq build long range
missiles. These
>same
>missiles may NOW possibly be used against our own US
soldiers. Dominique
>Villepain, France's UN ambassador, is asking that the USA
not be allowed to
>partake in the rebuilding of Iraq after the war (I guess
he knows what
>countries [or country] would best be suited for the job).
Just as France
>has
>exercised its right to disagree, all Americans can
exercise their right to
>boycott and helping countries that do not stand with us.
>
>
>French Products and Companies to Boycott:
>
>
>Air France
>
>Air Liquide
>
>Airbus (airplanes in commercial use)
>
>Alcatel
>
>Allegra (allergy medication)
>
>Aqualung - including: Spirotechnique, Technisub, US Divers
and SeaQuest
>
>AXA Advisors
>
>Bank of the West (owned by BNP Paribas)
>
>Beneteau (boats)
>
>BF Goodrich (owned by Michelin)
>
>BIC (razors, pens and lighters)
>
>Biotherm (cosmetics
>
>Black Bush
>
>Bollinger (champagne)
>
>Car &Driver Magazine
>
>Cartier
>
>Chanel
>
>Chivas Regal (scotch)
>
>Christian Dior
>
>Club Med (vacations)
>
>Culligan (owned by Vivendi)
>
>Dannon (yogurt and dairy foods)
>
>DKNY
>
>Dom Perigonon (champagne)
>
>Durand Crystal
>
>Elle Magazine
>
>Essilor Optical Products
>
>Evian
>
>Fina (petroleum products) and Fina Oil (billions invested
in Iraqi oil
>fields)
>
>First Hawaiian Bank
>
>George Magazine
>
>Givenchy
>
>Glenlivet (scotch)
>
>Hennessy (liquor products)
>
>Houghton Mifflin (books)
>
>Jacobs Creek (owned by Pernod Ricard since 1989)
>
>Jameson (whiskey)
>
>Jerry Springer (talk show)
>
>Krups (coffee and cappuccino makers)
>
>Lancome - Le Creuset (cookware)
>
>L'Oreal (health and beauty products)
>
>Louis Vuitton
>
>Marie Claire
>
>Martel Cognac
>
>Maybelline
>
>Mephisto (shoes &clothes)
>
>Michelin (tires &auto parts)
>
>Mikasa (crystal and glass)
>
>Moet (champagne)
>
>Motel 6
>
>Motown Records
>
>MP3.com
>
>Mumms (champagne)
>
>Nissan (cars - majority owned by
>
>Renault
>
>Nivea
>
>Normany Butter
>
>Parents Magazine
>
>Peugeot (automobiles)
>
>Pierre Cardin
>
>Playstation Magazine
>
>ProScan (owned by Thomson Electronics - France)
>
>Publicis Group (including Saatchi &Saatachi Advertising)
>
>RCA (television &electronics - owned by Thomson
Electronics - France)
>
>Red Magazine
>
>Red Roof Inns (owned by Accor group in France)
>
>Renault (automobiles)
>
>Roquefort cheese (all Roquefort cheese is made in France)
>
>Rowenta (toasters, irons, coffe makers,
>
>Royal Canadian
>
>Salomon (skis)
>
>Sierra Software &Computer Games
>
>Smart &Final
>
>Sofitel (hotels, owned by Accor group)
>
>Sparkletts (water, owned by Danone)
>
>Spencer Gifts.
>
>Sundance Channel
>
>Taylor Made (gold clubs &equipment)
>
>Technicolor
>
>T-Fal (kitchenware
>
>Total Gas Stations
>
>UbiSoft (computer games)
>
>Uniroyal (tires)
>
>Universal Studios (music, movies and amusement parks -
owned by Vivendi
>
>US Filter
>
>Veritas Group
>
>Veuve Clicquot Champagne
>
>Vittel
>
>Vivendi
>
>Wild Turkey (bourbon)
>
>Woman's Day Magazine
>
>Yoplait (The French company Sodiaal owns a 50% stake)
>
>Yves Saint Laurent
>
>Zodia Inflatable Boats
>
>Don't go see any French movies either, and don't rent or
buy them.
>
>I want to ad that I heard on radio that sales of French
wine in the states
>have plumetted to such an extent that the effect on the
French wine
>industry
>has been catastrophic. Evidently Americans without any
organized effort
>have
>decided at the personal level to hit the French where it
hurts. Marvelleux!
>
>
>Lastly, a French company was awarded a $700 million plus
contract to
>operated
>the 55 mess halls of our US Marine facilities. Call you
congressman and
>ask
>that this be rescinded regardless of the cost. This is an
absolute insult
>to
>our Marines.
>
>
>This boycott has been promoted by NewsMax's and has been
frequently
>mentioned
>by Bill O'Reilly on the O'Reilly Factor.
>
>
>If you will send this to at least 10 friends and relative
to also forward,
>it
>is possible to reach 100 million people in a very short
time. GO! NOW
>

Now comes the suicide bombers

I really think we should stop being nice and be tuff guys over there.
You do not win wars by being kind patient and reserve !!!
the more we rinkle and dinkle the more our soldiers will be killed


Milktuff

Milktuff has it right. We are at war, and wars are won by lighting motherfuckers up, not by whining and handwringing.

Jackoff, every word that drools out of your cockhole makes you look like an even bigger jackass than you previously revealed yourself to be.

You claim to support the freedom of expression and freedom of speech. My sincere opinion is that Americans who protest against our government while we are at war are traitors, and do not deserve the freedoms other Americans have won for them.

Why do you think I do not have the right to speak my mind, and voice my opinion?

Also, you have never addressed the fact that civil disobedience during wartime distracts police resources away from preventing possible terrorist attacks, thus providing potential enemies with a window of opportunity to attack us within our borders. AGAIN.

Pull your head out of the clouds and out of your ass, and do your best to comprehend this simple fact: WE ARE AT WAR. Americans who provide aid and comfort to our wartime enemies are traitors.

Your sugesting that it is unAmerican of me to voice this simple truth is laughable beyond words.

you couldn't possibly be as rigid, narrow minded and insane as you pretend to be, but you carry it off well

LOL! Come on Dogster, give Kendricks a break. Everybody pretends. Hell, you actually pretend to be semi-intelligent and we don't hate you for it. At least Kendricks is good at what he does. You, unfortunately, have too many documented cases of idiocy to pull your act off successfully.

It's a Jungian thing duality.wav (740.9 k)

My buddy is at it again.
He's not a tuff guy and even looks like a monger we all know and love
His theories are very convincing and although you may not beleive everything he says or produces he makes very interesting reading material and documentories.

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Michael Moore plans documentary on Bush-Osama ties. Mel Gibson will coproduce ''Fahrenheit 911'' by Gary Susman

Apparently, Michael Moore's antiwar speech at the Oscars wasn't a career killer after all. Variety reports he's made a deal to finance his next documentary, which will detail the ties between the Bush and bin Laden families that predated (and, Moore says, post-dated) the Sept. 11 attacks. The title: ''Fahrenheit 911.'' Moore spoke to EW about this project and his controversial acceptance speech in a post-Oscar interview.

''The primary thrust of the new film is what has happened to the country since Sept. 11, and how the Bush administration used this tragic event to push its agenda,'' said Moore, who says he's already been researching the film for a year. ''It certainly does deal with the Bush and bin Laden ties. It asks a number of questions that I don't have the answers to yet, but which I intend to find out.''

Moore says that the first President Bush had a business relationship with Mohammed bin Laden, the Al Qaeda founder's father. ''The senior Bush kept his ties with the bin Laden family up until two months after Sept. 11,'' Moore told Variety. ''The bin Ladens invested heavily in the Carlyle Group, which has its hands in a number of pies and is the 11th largest defense contractor even though it mostly buys failing defense companies and sells them for profits.''

With the Oscar-winning ''Bowling for Columbine'' having grossed some $40 million worldwide to become one of the most successful documentaries ever made, Moore says he had no trouble finding financing for his next project. His backer is Mel Gibson's company, Icon Productions. There's no small irony in that, not just because Gibson is as famously conservative as Moore is liberal, but also because the actor's father, Hutton Gibson, said in his notorious recent New York Times interview that he did not believe bin Laden's Al Qaeda was behind the hijacking of the planes in the Sept. 11 attacks. ''Anybody can put out a passenger list,'' the elder Gibson told the Times. ''They were crashed by remote control.'' Apparently, the ''Conspiracy Theory'' star does not share that view
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I can't wait for this one !!

Milktufferthanyou

That's an impressive list of French-owned companies. Last week, the story here was the French were worthless and produced nothing of value. Now, its the French own all this crap being sold in the USA and we should boycott them.

Apart from Britain and Australia, is there any country that you guys AREN'T mad at? We have less allies these days (at least those that we aren't paying for) then Germany at the close of WWII. You can bet that the Germans were blaming the world for being idiots at that point.

For Kendricks' benefit, I'm not comparing the US with Nazi Germany, I'm just making the point that our current Point of View is to blame the world for our problems, since they are all obvious evil idiots.

While I'm at it ...

For dogster:

Queer cowboy.wav (465.4 k)

Lead 'em lead_em.wav (111.4 k)

Sister sister.wav (38.7 k)

Fuck 'em horney.wav (115.6 k)

Actually, Exploder, the coalition of the willing currently includes Afghanistan, Albania, Azerbaijan, Bulgaria, Colombia, Costa Rica, the Czech Republic, Denmark, El Salvador, Eritrea, Estonia, Ethiopia, Georgia, Honduras, Hungary, Iceland, Italy, Japan, Kuwait, Latvia, Lithuania, Macedonia, Marshall Islands, Micronesia, the Netherlands, Nicaragua, Palau, the Philippines, Poland, Portugal, Romania, Rwanda, Singapore, Slovakia, Solomon Islands, South Korea, Spain, Turkey, Uganda, and Uzbekistan.

Other countries have not been named publicly but are likely members of the coalition. They include Israel, as well as several Arab states that are providing bases or other assistance to the war: Saudi Arabia, Bahrain, Qatar, Jordan, Oman, the United Arab Emirates (UAE), and Egypt.

What is your interest in disseminating disinformation beneficial to Saddam, anyway?

(Message edited by kendricks on March 29, 2003)

"S"
Actually, it was YOUR idiocy I was documenting. You still haven't figured that one out, and it has been nearly a year. Don't change, as you are VERY entertaining.

"K"
You claim to support the freedom of expression and freedom of speech. My sincere opinion is that Americans who protest against our government while we are at war are traitors, and do not deserve the freedoms other Americans have won for them.

Could you please make that point one more time? You've only made it about 70 times on this thread so far.

James,
If you ever come to your senses you might avoid thinking that the only people that can do harm to us, it's us. Are not the fanatic sons of Islam capable of going low-tech, get through a relative poorly secured airport, and crash three planes on two of huge targets?

What should scare the shit of out anyone who cares one bit about his precious life is the possibility that within the next 6 years there will be about 16 nations with atomic weapons. One of the Osama's comrade thinks that this planet is nothing compare to the infinite pleasures that awaits one after dead and, if necessary, it should be destroyed.I didn't believe anyone could be that stupid, but a month or so before 9/11 I had a conversation with a Palestian "buddy" who told me that he would go on a suicide mission for his religion. I've known this guy for years and it shocked me he thought this way. Imagine someone with a nuclear weapon thinking that way?Iran and North Korea make great candidates. So while we can't go to war with everyone who presents a threat to us, we can't avoid war with those regimes that are quite simply fucking nuts.

Clearly our gov't isn't 100% looking out for us, but at least we got the freedom to call war protesters fucking pussy idiots and make it better. Good night.

Kendricks:

Thanks for the hilarious post.

BTW, its interesting that you mention that Uzbekistan is one of our allies, the dictator there makes Saddam look like Woodrow Wilson. When you have to include people like that on "your" side, then its clearly not a moral crusade against Saddam.

Kendricks,

If what is coming out of my mouth is garbage, it's probably the words you put there. I haven't yet suggested you have no right to say what you believe, I just point out the obvious contradictions and stupidities therein. Of course that embarrasses you, and you react like a spoiled child. Understandable, but it only heaps more cause for embarrassment on your part.

Apart from Kendricks' rants, I don't think that there is any doubt here that the US will soon prevail in Iraq. Apart from sporadic guerilla fighting, the Iraqis don't seem to have a clue about warfare, and it looks like we're going to see Bagdad encircled like Basra, and a two week or so effort to reduce Bagdad before the end.

My take is that we will prepare for a long siege, and end it relatively quickly with Special Ops. The Iraqi military will never have a clue as to what hit them.

Quit walking straight in! Bob and weave, move your head ...

Jackoff:

You previously said: "Of course you are curtailing individual freedoms". These are your words, not mine.

Although you claim to support the freedom of expression and freedom of speech, you accuse me of "curtailing individual freedoms" for simply speaking my mind. My sincere opinion is that Americans who protest against our government while we are at war are traitors, and do not deserve the freedoms other Americans have won for them. How is my saying this "curtailing individual freedoms"?

Exploder:

Whether or not you like the president of Uzbekistan does not change the fact that we have a coalition of over 40 countries put together who officially support us.

You previously asked, "Apart from Britain and Australia, is there any country that you guys AREN'T mad at?"

Yes there is. I listed over 40 of them. Indeed, until the war blows over, I would suggest that mongers boycott Mexican putas, and stick to Korean and Japanese massage parlors.

Jaracho said:

"at least we got the freedom to call war protesters fucking pussy idiots and make it better."

Amen, brother. It is truly amazing that there are some people here who actually think we are "curtailing the freedoms" of these pussy idiots by criticizing them.

I never used to favor police brutality, but I would really get off on watching a few of these traitorous cocksuckers getting their heads split open while they lock arms and sing fucking Kumbaya.

Superman, that is some funny shit!!! Dogster, hero of the psuedointellectuals, actually fell for the "the zona norte is closed" routine, coming from a cab driver looking for a massage parlor kickback?

Bwahahahahahaha!!!! Holy fuck! Dude, I've have to pick myself up off the floor three times already just to finish this post. That is one of the funniest fucking things I have read in months!!!

Seriously though, is this thread worth 11 archives already? As I see it, you basically have a battle between the meek/weak and the actual men. Neither side is going to change the others point of viw.

Your average "pacifist type" is the type of guy who's scared to walk the bridge, gets mugged/scammed/suckered, fails/lacks the ability to protect their girlfriends from getting murdered, etc.

Fortunately for the rest of us, there are men who will take action, refuse to be bullied, and actually protect the meek/weak from getting threatened/taken over by crazy dictators.

-Superman-

Note: This post was made entirely in jest. Any resemblence to actual persons or events, living or dead, real or imagined, is purely coincidental. Anyone who became extremely enraged, and/or sobbed like a little girl should not be viewing this type of material anyway. Don't try this at home.

Kendricks,

I don't know how you missed that the first time around ... maybe it happened during your "hiatus" from this site. Yes, it sort of makes all his "I'm super-intelligent Berkeley guy" posts that much more laughable/irrelevant. (I am slash happy today).

I'm surprised he has not tried to hack this site in order to get his embarrassing past removed ...

-Superman-

Poor Dogster

he is a good guy but damm was that the dumbest thing ever -lol
Will anyone ever forget that moment ???


Bill Buckner

Kendrinks, you also accuse Jamerbr (and his kind) of being a traitor for speaking his mind. Did I miss something about him actively protesting in the streets? I take your argument to mean that anyone who says something anti-war is a traitor.

I understand his arguments to be that we are being manipulated and lied to by parts of our government and multi-billion dollar corporations into supporting and fighting a war that is unjust and overly risky and will lead to more American deaths in the long run than there would be without this particular war.

I find this evolution amusing because I'm used to Kendrag arguing about such things as deception by government, mainstream media, and big business. The only consistency I see in your reasoning is the support of death. Pre-war Kenbricks was pro-anarchy, fuck the Republicrats-they're obviously the same, think for yourself-don't be a mainstream media sheep.

War-giddy Kenborg is now a lifetime Republican (family values party, majority of the church) because they are now obviously different, mainstream US media supporter as most others are not credible, if you express your "government/business is lying/manipulating us" view on a private message board, you are a traitor to America that doesn't deserve his freedoms.

As for the list of governments supporting, at least a few of them have claimed they should not be on the list. From what I have read, very few if any have public support for the war, they are simply governments capitulating to US power and pressure. I haven't bookmarked any articles, but I'm sure they're easy to find.

http://www.theonion.com/onion3911/index.html

Better than anything I can say. Kendricks, feel free to report these guys to the FBI for treasonous activities.

Let me get this straight: Uzbekistan, one of the world's worst dicatatorships, gets a free pass because they claim to support us in Iraq, but Iraq gets bombed?

Uzbekistan is one of the only dictatorships in the world in which the dictator doesn't speak the native language (!).

"As I see it, you basically have a battle between the meek/weak and the actual men. Neither side is going to change the others point of viw."

Reducing the war debate to a "who has bigger balls contest" is a easy way out for people who do not want to or are unable to debate some of the real issues of this war. A debator also doesn't have to change another debator's point of view for his argument and the ensuing debate to be valuable in educating others or swaying those whose opinions fall between.

Real Issue Examples:
Is this war justified? Has this government been honest in its justifications for going to war? Do you generally believe what our government has to say? Have the defense and contruction companies that have billion dollar contracts at stake had any influence on politians/government?

These are some of the real questions.

If it could be proven that our administration lied to us repeatedly to manipulate us into supporting the war, would any of your opinions change and would it have anything to do with fear?

My comments posted Thursday, March 27, 2003, at 8:49 am, detail my reasons for now supporting the Republicans. This thread is long enough without repeating words already stated earlier.

Anyway, although the Republican Party's lip service to family values and that Jesus asshole are annoying, they have the truly important issues right: war and private firearms ownership. At this point in history, everything else is just background noise. When the war has been won, it will again be fine for red-blooded Americans to once again bicker over more trivial issues.

Exploder, that site did have some good stuff on it, such as:

Top Anti-War Slogans

1. I Support My Activist Girlfriend
2. I Oppose This War And I Vote. Wait, No, I Don't

Also classic is:

Sheryl Crow Unsuccessful; War On Iraq Begins

WASHINGTON, DC—In spite of recording artist Sheryl Crow's strong protestations, including the wearing of a "No War" guitar strap, the U.S. went to war with Iraq last week. "Making the decision to go to war is never easy, but it's that much harder when you know Sheryl Crow disapproves," White House press secretary Ari Fleischer said at a press conference Monday. "It is this administration's sincerest hope that it can one day regain the support and trust of the woman behind such hits as 'All I Wanna Do' and 'Soak Up The Sun.'" Fleischer issued similar apologies to Martin Sheen, Janeane Garofalo, and Nelly.

Superman, excellent points. There is no point in explaining why war against a dictator who sponsors terrorism against us is justified to people who wet their pants at the thought of violence. They just won't get it. They are too paralyzed with fear of retaliation to even cionsider taking action.

The bottom line is, this is a great war, and I am enjoying the hell out of it. I think I'm going to go crack open another Sam Adams, and check out that little hottie Rebecca Gomez on the Fox News Channel. I really fucking love watching cute little Latina babes talking about dropping 2,000 pound bombs on Iraqis....

Kendricks,

I love replying to your posts, as it prods you to come back with more profound stupidities each time. You are nothing if not consistent.

By equating protest with treason, you are obviously discouraging the protesters from doing their thing. You can't on the one hand say that they're free to have an opinion, and on the other say that by expressing that opinion they are traitors. Try to penetrate the fog that passes for thinking in your brain to see that it amounts to censorship. Treason is an intentional betrayal of your country, and even a goose stepper like you should hesitate before applying that label to the people who are protesting the war.

I know it's difficult, but stop obsessing over the personal shortcomings that lead to your becoming such a hate monger, and see the truth of what I've patiently explained to you. You'll be the better for it and your neighbours may stop hiding the kids when you walk by.

And no matter how many times you repeat the accusation, I've not said anything to discourage YOU from expressing your views. Why would I? They're the funniest thing here. Sorry, but sometimes it's just not true when Mommy says you're smart.

Write soon sweetie. No one does the redneck,IlovegunscuzIdonthaveapenis thing better than you. ;)

Jackoff, you simpleton, this has already been explained to you. I am not advocating that protest be made illegal, I am simply pointing out the fact that the protesters are traitors.

By labelling my expression of my opinions as "curtailing individual freedoms for the sake of the state", you are doing precisely that which you accuse me of: attempting to coerce others not to speak their mind.

The rest of your comments are simply projection. I know that dickless faggots like you enjoy fantasizing that they are real men, but you are really just a nutless wonder. The trannies in Kinkle Club have more balls than you, for christ's sake.

Kendricks,

What'sa-matta? Can't think of anything more creative then the tired "Jackoff" refrain? Poor baby, perhaps you need to lock yourself up with some of those "Soldiers in Leather" magazines you like so much to come up with more interesting put downs.

No, you aren't advocating that protests be made illegal, you're simply maintaining that the protestors are traitors - which last time I checked IS illegal. Even the newborns you fantasize about would understand that.

I'm so sorry if pointing the obvious out to you makes you feel "coerced". Perhaps a little less time behind the locked door with the vacume pump and a little more time out in the fresh air is in order huh?

Stating that protesters are traitors is illegal? You've said some dumb things in here, jackoff, but that one wins the prize!

Please provide a reference to the law against referring to protesters as traitors. Which law am I in violation of, Jackass? Come on, let's hear it!!! LSHIBSAOTM!!!!

I thought this board was about getting pussy? LOL.
Kendricks, I might be wrong but I think what Luckyjackson is saying, Being a traitor is illegal. Not you calling someone a traitor is illegal.