R2D2, there certainly are some treasonous acts which are illegal, but it does not follow that one would have to violate laws in order to be deemed a traitor.

A commonly accepted definition of treason is:

"Violation of allegiance toward one's country or sovereign, especially the betrayal of one's country by waging war against it or by consciously and purposely acting to aid its enemies."

A traitor, in turn, is "One who betrays one's country, a cause, or a trust, especially one who commits treason."

Yep, the war protesters are definitely traitors, whether or not they are violating any laws.

Kendricks,,,all I was pointing out was, I didn't think he was saying what you said was illegal.
To be honest, I could care less. After over 550 posts this shit is getting boring IMHO. Bottom line, no matter if someone supports this war or not..at least I hope everyone would support the Troops. It's because of former, present and future men and women of the Armed Services that we can all speak out. Okay, before someone jumps on that, with in reason. Don't yell stuff like Fire in a crowded building if there isn't a fire. LOL

"Bottom line, no matter if someone supports this war or not..at least I hope everyone would support the Troops."

Well said, R2. Unfortunately, many protesters (including an east coast university professor) have openly stated that they hope our troops get slaughtered.

Ben

"absolute fabrication which was reported in several papers and TV as a fact. That is the kind of crap people love to want to believe."

Sorry but good try, this is not at all a fabrication. I have a very good friend that works for Dean Witter in NY, and he was involved in the beginning stages of the SEC probe that led to Buzzy Krongard. This is a fact, along with over 103 other bits of information and facts that are very strange indeed. Bury your head and don't look at the facts because they are to disturbing for you, that is your business, but I for one want to know the truth and not what I am spoon fed by the bull shit media. We really have been lulled to sleep.

Kendricks LOL, have nothing to say

Anyway guys, leaving 6am for 2 weeks to Jamaica, to meet my Russian Beauty for some fun and sun, I think I will make a point to not watch TV, see ya later guys

So you thought you could read hand signals.

http://slate.msn.com/id/2080812/

Why are we bombing the same buildings 6 times ???????????

Lets get out the big babies and blow out these buildings on the first shot !!!!

I really think Iraq is laughing at us. While watching the news tonight a lot of our plane attacks have not hit the direct target and have been tried 2 or 3 times.

I still think we are babying this war. Its pretty sad when you have a lot of people in your own military divided on how we should do this war.

All the wartime experts are former generals are saying we are Sesame Streeting this war and we need to step up our offensive before we hit the streets of Baghdad

If we keep up this wimpy monger shit a lot of our boys won't be coming home. Or if they do they will be coming home in pieces. I say do whatever possible to win this war quickly and get everyone home with the leats amount of casualties

Milktuff

Ha ha...you're losing your cool Kendricks.

You're reduced to feeble attempts at pretending to misunderstand what I say. You knew exactly what I meant, but Rb1 is right, I am getting a little bored with leading you by the nose.

Rb1, you were right when you said this board is about pussy, but I ask you, how much bigger of a pussy then Kendricks could you want?

For the record, if there are idiot protesters out there wishing death to American troops, those people DO deserve to be charged with something. I've heard of no such thing happening from any reputable new source though.

Up here in Canuckistan there was a radio call in show, (national), that was a bit reassuring for those of us who support the war up here. The Canadian Broadcasting Corporation is notroriously left wing, but most of today's callers expressed either support or sympathy for the Americans, and heavy criticism for the Canadian government's choice not to support America. It probably didn't get too much play down there because Canada just doesn' rate much attention, but several Canadian Ministers have recently spouted embarrassing anti-American comments. Almost silly enough to make me agree with Ben's decision to boycott maple syrup. ;)

Is CNN a credible enough news source for you, Jackass?

http://www.cnn.com/2003/US/Northeast/03/28/sprj.irq.professor.somalia.ap/index.html

March 28, 2003 NEW YORK (AP) -- A Columbia University professor told an anti-war gathering that he would like to see "a million Mogadishus" -- referring to the 1993 ambush in Somalia that killed 18 American servicemen.

At Wednesday night's "teach-in" on the Columbia campus, Nicholas De Genova also called for the defeat of U.S. forces in Iraq and said, "The only true heroes are those who find ways that help defeat the U.S. military." And he asserted that Americans who call themselves "patriots" are white supremacists.

De Genova's comments about defeating the United States in Iraq were cheered by the crowd of 3,000, Newsday reported.

***********************************

Here are your words, Jackass:

"You and Batster seem to see nothing wrong with the idea of curtailing individual freedoms for the sake of the state. In a nutshell, that's fascism and more of betrayal than anything I've heard from protesters."

You can toss around your meaningless insults, and make statements that you run from later, instead of even attempting to support.

Still the fact remains that THOUSANDS of American traitors CHEERED a US university professor who said, "The only true heroes are those who find ways that help defeat the U.S. military."

Then, you claim that Batster and I calling these people traitors is a "betrayal", and that we are "fascists" for suggesting that they are traitors.

Your head is so far up your ass, it is amazing you can even find your keyboard.

In addition to the THOUSANDS of Coumbia University protesters cheering the statement that "The only true heroes are those who find ways that help defeat the U.S. military", funds earmarked for Homeland Security may now be diverted for policing the war protests:

http://abclocal.go.com/kgo/news/032903_nw_protest_costs.html

Cost of Policing War Protests Rises
March 29 (AP) — City officials want the federal government to help pay the cost of policing war protests. And Mayor Willie Brown said the bill could surpass $5 million.

Officials want to use federal Homeland Security funding, which the White House has set aside to help state and local governments pay for new equipment, training, emergency planning and improved protection of buildings, roadways, bridges, water systems and other government facilities.

Brown said the first wave of demonstrations last week, in which more than 2,000 people were arrested, cost the city $900,000 a day in additional expenses.

Kendricks,

Like I said buddy, any idiots who said that type of thing deserve to be charged with SOMETHING! Maybe treason does fit such an opinion. The point you're trying to so pathetically evade is, that you labelled ALL protesters as traitors.

Most people who protest the war are also against Saddam Hussein, would like to see him disarmed, and out of power. They just didn't feel that now was the time to start fighting. For holding that opinion, (wrong as it may be) they don't deserve to be classified as 'traitors'. Not even by a suburban dwelling, penis envy dweeb, with a mindless hate for anything he doesn't recognize as coming from the shelves of his local 7-11.

I see you're hung up on the Fascist thing. Judging from the "final solution" tone of your previous posts, I thought you'd be flattered to be identified as one. Nevertheless, if you get hard over schemes that put the state's right over an individual's, then chances are you'd probably have gotten along with Adolph. I think your "If ya protest you're a traitor" contribution to this thread qualifies you. Congrats.

Don't that seem reasonable to ya Potsy? ;)

Milkster,

I agree.

The U.S. is trying to wage the war in a humanitarian fashion. Laudable, but ultimately unwise.

War is ugly, they should take the most direct route, and not a SINGLE American life should be lost because they're trying to minimize loss of life on the others side. This ain't no popularity contest.

Shee-it, Kendricks. You must have history's worst case of hemorrhoids at this point. As far as I can tell, you've been sitting on your ass, logged on to the Club Hombre off-topic section since the start of the war in Iraq, squeezing out the same hateful, repetetive crap furiously for days. And by now, the continuous microwave glow from your CRT monitor has seriously irradiated your KY-covered meat. May I compassionately and humbly suggest that you get a life? (or maybe some Preparation H?).

I gather that you were at least somewhat more productive during the previous Gulf War.

I was serious about you putting on a brilliant act. It is still pretty amusing, though at times I miss your anti-Jewish, pro-Arafat pseudo-psychotic Hitlerian schtick. I suppose your previous whacked out anti-American protests... err... ramblings have nothing to do with the New Patriotic Kendricks. Or maybe they've simply changed your medication.

Ya know, there's more to life at Club Hombre than being super-culo-licked by your favorite brown-tongued superbozo (or is it the other way around?).

Jesus Fucking Christ. The taxi scam. I believe it happened during the time that Kenny was sadly banished from this site for being an incorrigible dick. I'll take my embarassing moment over S's characterological, unsubtle, obsessive, aggressive stupidity any day.

Anyway, we can debate the merits of this war forever. I imagine that war has been well planned, and I don't question the military strategy. But one huge consequence of the current battle involves diplomacy and our influence as a world power. The diplomatic aspects of this war were completely botched by Bush, and everybody who is paying attention knows it. Hell, even Canada isn't supporting the US's efforts. Maybe we should boycott all Canadians, especially those who poison this site with their presence. And maybe we should not monger in countries that failed to back the US.

Chomsky on Iraq:
http://www.zmag.org/CrisesCurEvts/Iraq/noam_chomsky.htm

God Bless America

Yours in Whoring

Ah, now Jackoff is changing his tune, and becoming a patriot. What a joke.

Kendricks,

Hair on your palm bugging you again? What are you talking about sheboy? I've consistently been for the war. I can't be a "patriot" as you've used the word in this context since I ain't American.

It just kills you to agree with something I wrote eh? ;)







(Message edited by luckyjackson on March 31, 2003)

It appears the U.S. troops are kicking ass today.

I hope Iraq doesn't get so desparate that they start sending in the gas they have previously destoryed

Lucky send me down some of that Maple Syrup

I am from New England and Vermont always had the best Syrup It was a common site to just drive thru an old town and see a stand outside a home or farm "Maple syrup sold here $2 "
God i miss East Coast food

Milktuff

Iraqi military will see overwhelming violence to saturate their decision-making ability.

Paraphrase of statement made today by Retired General Barry McCaffery


The U.S. military is getting as poetic as the Iraq Defense Minister.

I am outraged that the Army has sent Geraldo Rivera home for trying to draw a map in the sand explaining where the 101st airborne was located in Iraq.

Also very angry that NBC fired Peter Arnett for explaining on Iraq television that by Iraq not giving up, it was creating problems for the U.S. military plans (among other things).

I know all you freedom of speech advocates will rally around these guys. These heros of free speech need our help in their time of need.

Actually.....if what I heard about Arnett was true...he deserved to be sacked.

Reports I heard indicated he granted an interview to Iraqi television and told them that America's war plans had failed.

Not only did this create an impression guaranteed to hurt BOTH Iraqis and Americans, but it is an opinion that falls well outside his stated responsibilities as a journalist. NBC had no choice really.

Before Kendricks jumps in and says that there's no difference between what Arnett did, and what screaming protesters at home are doing - there is a WORLD of difference. Arnett is a reporter with an international reputation, and he was speaking to an Iraqi audience starving for accurate info on the war. In that context, his words were worse than irresponsible, and he himself has admitted that he's embarrassed by his choice - regardless of whether or not his opinion turns out to be accurate.

With regard to Mr. Rivera, last I heard, (about an hour ago), he was refuting claims that he'd been thrown out, and was claiming to be farther into Iraq than ever. Still, you'd expect that if ANYONE merritted throwing out, it would be Mr. Disco journalism.

Is it just me or does Peter Arnett look like the Elephant Man.

Now wait a minute LJ.

I was never suggesting that Kendricks might jump on these two reporters as an example of freedom of speech which might be considered irresponsible or worse yet subversive to their country. I was only posting about these two heros of freedom of speech, to seek support for these two wonderful reporters of the truth.

Dogster
Boycott Canadians? You fucking pinko scoundrel, eh? Like, who the hell do you think you are anyways, eh? And now you're bashing the patron saint of the boards, picking on poor Kenny, eh?

A US led war is good for the following reasons:

1. Assuaging the pocketbooks of the DOD and their contractor cronies, which leads to
2. Better profits for the military contractors, which leads to
3. Lower costs for non-military airplanes, which leads to
4. Lower fares to our favorite mongering destinations, thereby substantially reducing our cost-per-load, eh?
5. And, if you still need more reasons to back this war whore-heartedly, bear in mind that a US led war reminds the rest of the world that 'these colors don't run'.

Yours in Canadian whoring
DonGringo

Yeah I know Ben, I was anticipating another possible contribution from our local wingnut.

There's not any point in arguing with you, Jacko, since you flip-flopped and decided to become a patriot, instead of wasting your time defending our enemies. I'm glad I was able to change your mind, and bring you back over to our side.

Kendrickswhonevertiresofpattinghimselfontheback

Once again, I go away for three or four days and miss all the fun.

I don't have time to read all of the posts. But I wanted to make an observation on one of the Luckys posts.

Lucky about 50 posts ago, you mention that it is unpatriotic for me to criticize the anti war protesters as being unpatriotic. Let me get this straight.

It is patriotic to protest against your country. But if you protest against those who protest against your country you are being unpatriotic. LOL. Whats up with that?

The only thing Lucky is that I never said those people should not have the right to protest. Obviously they do. I just said that their protests are aiding Saddam in the propanda front. In the opinon of many that borders on traitorous.

As tight fit said earlier. Everyones positions are pretty well in cement now and probably wont change so we are wasting time. Its about time I got back to concentrating on panocha. LOL

batsterwhoisbacktowork

Did you guys see *Saddam's* address just now?

WTF, I thought he was supposed to good at putting out propaganda. Here I was expecting him to make reference of the marketplace bombing. Dead or alive he could have made this statement by taping the statement before the event happened. If the coalition didn't end up bombing a marketplace then he could do it himself.
But what do we get? A report that Saddam is going to make a statement, but instead of Saddam making a statement his Information Minister speaks. That was feeble. Until now I thought he was most likely alive, but now I have doubts.

Batster,

Welcome back. I've been having a great fun with Ken-doll-naziboy here.

I am also too lazy to wade through 50 posts, but what I said was that it is a bigger betrayal of your country's ideals to brand protesters as unpatriotic, (or worse traitors), than it is to protest the war.

In other words, OF COURSE you can disagree with them and still be a patriot. But, as a good American you should be willing to fight for THEIR right to disagree with you and not be branded as "traitors" because of it.

Kendricks, you won't find a post of mine where I said I was against the war, because I haven't changed my mind at any point.

It isn't my fault you are unable to see that a person can express their disagreement with this war, and still be patriotic. According to you, people who are against the war should have the right to that belief, but should choose not to express it. If they do, they're traitors. Sorry, but that's moronic.

Both the protesters and the supporters love their country and want what's best for it. You simply disagree on the route to be taken. For one side to say the other is guilty of treason because they have a different opinion, is the biggest betrayal of America and what it stands for.

How embarrassing for the both of you to need this explained by a Canadian. ;)

LJ,

Perhaps I have been too hasty in not using Canadian products. I am thinking that I will be more benevolent toward my buddies from the North and drop my boycott.

BenwhojustrealizedtheUSAuses1.5millionbarrelsadayofCanadianoil

Good idea, will that be one or two cases of maple syrup sir? ;)

It is a breach of my country's ideals to accurately state that people who provide aid and comfort to our enemies during time of armed conflict are traitors?

Jackoff just keeps getting dumber and dumber. Stating a fact is not a breach of anything.

well, well, well

http://www.acsa2000.net/Baghdad/

quien sabes??

Ldvee,

Did Jamesbr send you this well known and verified information?

No I think this is the site Jamesbr's info comes from:

http://www.RainbowMcDolphin.com

Oh no. Widdle Kenny Wenny has a boo boo in his head from trying to answer the nasty man from snow country. Bad foreigner for pointing out that a free society with free speech goes against widdle Kenny's idea of what it means to be a good American.

C'mon Kenny, spout s'more of your poisonous hatred type stuff. THAT'S so much more fun.

I'm sorry if laying the argument out for you in language simple enough for even you to understand took the wind out of your sails, but if you go back to foaming at the mouth, it would really be cool.

Tell ya what, do that for me, and I'll tell ya where you can get a good deal on the black shiny knee high boots ya like so much. ;)

While you guys continue your love/hate flamefest, the war continues in a very predictable manner, as the US tanks grind towards Bagdad.

I saw a great billboard in LA the other day:

"Support our troops, bring them home".

LOL!!! Couldn't ya just get him a set of presidential knee-pads?

Jackass just doesn't get it. Having an opinion is fine, but working to advance a wartime enemy's propaganda campaign is treasonous. No matter, though, because we aren't letting up, and will flatten Baghdad if necessary.

Explorer, I saw a great T-Shirt the other day. It said "Kill 'Em All, Let Allah Sort 'Em Out."

All of you pussies and handwringers (Jackoff, Explorer, Dogbreath, and anyone else supporting Hussein) can go suck a big hairy cock, 'cause the USA is kicking the shit out of those filthy camelfuckers, and won't quit until it is over with.

How sweet it is!

Ahh,

I love the smell of napham in the morning

Also love the smell of napalm in the morning

Don't get me wrong, I think Saddam needs what he's going to get, I just think that we needed better cover. Sometimes the ends don't justify the means.

Now that's better Kendricks.

I knew you could do it. Some good ol fashion paranoia fueled hysteria suits you and your line of reasoning much better.

Listen up, here's some homework for ya. Call up your local Republican warlock and point out to him the opportunity that's being missed. Explain to him how all protesters are providing..ummm, now let's see what was it....OH YEAH, "aid and comfort" to the enemy, and that they are therefore traitors.

He may laugh at first, but I'm sure you're used to dealing with that. Tell him your mom agrees with you. I'm sure you'll get your way.

I mean, if you don't, that would mean you're just a joke. And that's not possible, is it?

"Kill em all and let Allah sort em out"

Wow, that's HEEEEELARIOUS! So creative! Someone thought of replacing, "God" with "Allah", cuz you're fighting Muslims. WOW. You must've really yukked it up between mouthfuls of twinkies. I wish we had such sharp wit up here. Damn, you guys get all the best stuff down there.

BWWWWWWAAAAHHAAAAAAAAAH!

(Message edited by luckyjackson on April 02, 2003)

(Message edited by luckyjackson on April 02, 2003)

BTW, is giving heavy weapons to Iran traitorous activity?

The funny part is, Jackoff isn't even from a real country.

Michaeljackson,

I still think that anything that helps saddam is traitorous or borders on traitorous. Sorry I am such a wacko patriot. I think that in time of war you should do nothing that endangers your troops in the field. In this case this war may last about as long as the enemys resolve lasts. Any sign of division on the homefront allows Bathist wackos to hope for some type of out short of complete surrender. That glimmer of hope spurs them to further resist, thus lengthening the conflict and putting our troops at increased risk. No better authority than The Peoples Daily of China said last week that the anti war protests help Saddam. So why argue more?

In fact, I believe that the anti war crowd, headed by France and Germany, share a big part of the blame for the breakdown in dimplomacy. They have blood on their hands. If the UN would have shown a united front, Saddam probably would not have felt he could continue to play games. I think he thought right up to the last minute that he was going to wiggle off of the hook. I also believe, as do some Psy-ops people in the military, that Saddam is trying to fuel the anti-war movemnet in hopes that it will create a political climate that allows for his escape and retention of power. Once again anything that helps Saddam lengthens the war and puts our troops at more risk.

Furthermore, when the protesters march with signs that say "We support our troops when they shoot their officers" or they wish for "a thousand Mogadishus" whose side are they on? Not all ant-war protesters are as extreme, but they are on the same side of the issue. And Most are pretty extreme.

Sorry but I am not embarrased for thinking they are traitors. Dont be embarrased for me. Be embarrased for yourself that you can not grasp such a basic concept. But I understand, Your brain is addled by Labatts and Moosehead. LOL.

Lets just agree to disagree and carry on. We have different perpsectives on the issue. As with most things the truth is probably somewhere in the middle.

On another note. My favorite bumpersticker is "First Iraq, then France"

Batsterwhohopehostilitiesendsoon

Batster,

At last someone who I can argue with.

Ok, I will accept that you're a wacko patriot. But here's why it's wrong to be a wacko patriot.

America is recognized as the leader of those countries in the world, (and there are few), that maintain the importance of things like separation of church and state, government by representation, and free speech. No other country has given expression to those ideals as clearly and successfully as America.

It's easy to say you believe in such things during the easy times, like when you're at peace. The true test of resolve in those principles comes during the difficult times, like now.

In a true Democracy you should be able to express your opposition to the government on any issue, without fear of being classed a criminal - which you and the nazi boy seem to forget is what a traitor is. If you follow through logically on the accusation of treason, those protesters should be charged and jailed. Then what is the difference between America and the authoritarian regimes like Iraq?

Yes protesters can encourage an enemy to resist more. But if the government holds to the course, allows dissent but prosecutes the war anyway - it demonstrates the strength of our way of government and our way of life. THAT'S why people still want to come here by the boatload. THAT'S why our society is strong. And THAT's why the view you've taken up is a betrayal of America's higher ideals, and worse than anything the most ridiculously rabid protester might be saying. These are the real reasons to risk American lives, not oil.

If I have anything to be embarrassed about, it's over Canada not helping out in this war. I maintain though that it is sad for an American to have to be reminded of these things.

(The preceeding is far more effective is listened to while America the Beautiful plays softly in the background) ;)

To use Jackoff's so-called logic (and I use the term loosely) the defaming of people who call war protesters traitors equates to attempting to curtail the freedom of speech of those who believe that protesting against the war effort is traitorous. Accordingly, trying to curtail the freedom of speech of people such as Batster, me, and military psyops experts is a betrayal of all that America stands for.

Neither I nor Batster are calling for peaceful protesters to be jailed. Any assertion that we are is a lie. Rather, we are using our freedom of speech as a wake up call to people who may naively believe that their protests are accomplishing anything good or worthwhile.

Jackass has plenty to be ashamed of, including his citizenship in a piece of shit country. Even more important, he should be embarrassed by his inability to understand logical arguments, and the fact that he is a gaping, bleeding pussy.

(Message edited by kendricks on April 02, 2003)

Subject:: A Brief History of Germany
> >
> > 1871 - Bismark founds modern Germany.
> > 1890 - Bismark sacked, warmonger Wilhelm II
> > takes direct control.
> > 1914 - Germany starts World War I
> > 1914-1918 - Germany kills millions upon
> > millions of people.
> > 1917 - Germany force peace loving
> > Americans to enter war.
> > 1918 - Germany loses World War I.
> > 1920's - Germans try democracy.
> > 1933 - Germans reject democracy, allow Hitler
> > to take power.
> > 1939 - Germany starts World War II.
> > 1939-1945 - Germany kills millions upon
> > millions of people.
> > 1941 - Germany force peace loving
> > Americans to enter war.
> > 1945 - Germany loses World War II.
> > 1946 - Germans whine about lack of food,
> > America gives billions in food aid to feed them.
> > 1947 - Germans whine about crappy economy,
> > America gives billions in
> > Marshall Plan aid to rebuild German economy.
> > 1948-1949 - America puts ass on line and
> > risks WW3 to save a few
> > Berliners from Soviet hordes.
> > 1949 - Federal Republic of Germany (West
> > Germany) established
> > 1950's - America spends billions to defend
> > West Germany from Soviet hordes.
> > 1950's - German 'economic miracle' occurs
> > while America keeps watch on Soviet hordes
> > 1955 - NATO formed to protect West Germany
> > from Soviet hordes.
> > 1960's - America spends billions to defend
> > West Germany from Soviet hordes.
> > 1960's - German students protest war in
> > Vietnam and American civil rights.
> > 1963 - American President John Kennedy
> > makes "Ich bin ein Berliner" speech.
> > 1970's - America spends billions to defend
> > West Germany from Soviet hordes.
> > 1970's - Germans form the marxist
> > terrorist group Red Army Faction (RAF).
> > 1970's - Leftist German guerrillas burn,
> > loot, and plunder much of West Germany.
> > 1980's - America spends tens of billions
> > to defend West Germany from Soviet hordes.
> > 1980's - German leftists bitch about
> > Pershing II missiles.
> > 1987 - American President Ronald Reagan makes
> > "Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall" speech
> > 1989 - Gorbachev tears down Berlin Wall.
> > 1990 - German Reunification.
> > 1990's - America spends tens of billions to
> > defend Germany from Islamic hordes.
> > 1990's - Germany stands by as ethnic
> > cleansing occurs in Balkans.
> > 1993 - Germany joins European Union.
> > 1995 - Americans send troops to Bosnia as
> > Germans watch from the sidelines.
> > 1997 - Germans finally send troops to
> > Bosnia.
> > 1998 - Hardline, left-of-left
> > socialists come to power
> > under Gerhard Schroeder.
> > 1999 - Americans lead air war to
> > save Kosovo as Germans
> > watch from the sidelines
> > 2001 - Schroeder offers solidarity to
> > America after 9/11 attacks.
> > 2002 - Schroeder bashes America to distract
> > voters during election campaign.
> > 2003 - Germany sees rise in
> > anti-Americanism after several
> > decades of poor treatment from America.
> >
> > AND YOU THOUGHT THE FRENCH WERE A BUNCH OF
> > UNGRATEFUL BASTARDS?
______________________________________________

Kendricks,

Take off the Martha Stewart getup you like to whack off in, and see if you can follow along.

All protesters are not traitors simply because they protest. You may disagree with them, but going so far as to call them traitors is moronic. In fact, you ARE calling for peaceful protesters to be jailed if you persist in calling them traitors. To be a traitor is a serious crime. But more than that, to try and silence dissent during a war is undemocratic. I notice you didn't even try to address my point about maintaining resolve in your beliefs during both the difficult and easy times. Your kind never does.

As far as my trying to stop you from spouting your opinions, I repeat, why would I? The kind of ridiculous things you say do far more to discredit you than anything I could ever write.

"gaping bleeding pussy".....ooo what subconcisous memory brought that image up? Poor Kenny, your choice of insults, though consistently unimaginative, are revealing. How many afternoons did you have to paint Mommy's toenails while the guys played baseball? ;)

The whole "traitor" flame argument intensified on 3/26 when Kenfunk accuses Jamesbird of treason for posting on this message board his reasons for not supporting the war. Like Luckyjackman, I find this incredibly loose usage of a word that describes one of the most serious crimes under US law.

I have not read anything about Exposer and Dogerman marching in the street, but according to Kendip's posts today they appear to be traitors that support Hussein. Who is the one with flawed logic here?

Let's not leave all the Canadians either. Why not insult DonBringo and other members here with Canadian roots while we're flailing about insulting as many board members as possible.

Member A: This administration is lying to us about the justification for war. The true roots of the war lie in construction/energy/defense industries. This money grab and failed diplomacy will have unintended consequences that will hurt the US and put it's soldiers and civilians at unneccessary risk.

Member B: No, you are a fucking traitorous pussy like everyone in your country for believing that.

How's that for a logical argument?

I think when this is all over you anti-war protesters will look fucking silly.

We will have control of Iraq and get rid of a very big threat to our country and at the same time stabilze the Middle East.

I guess the anti-war protestors will say it would have happened without us kicking ass in Iraq.

Go Halliburton and fuck France, Germany, Canada and all the other countries who want contracts to rebuild Iraq!!!