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By Joker on Monday, July 30, 2001 - 10:30 am:

I know this may not be an appropriate topic in this site,
but I gotta ask.

I have been married for almost 5 years now. I understand
the feeling of Al Bundy from the "Married With Children." I
perceive many wives to be bitchy, lazy, irrational,
irresponsible and a waste of human life basically. I have
been telling her to get a job for the last 5 years, she
won't do it. She is the laziest bitch I have ever seen.

In a mean time, she talks about how good she was in school
and at job. I finally managed to force her to go to a
computer school. She was not able to finish a class in
time. Then she started accusing me of hacking into her
computer from outside. So I tried to get on the computer
with her, and I can see she still has no fucking clue about
a computer. I sent her an email, and that's the evidence of
the hacking.

I told her she needs to learn Windows Office, and all she
does is to go on the net and accuse me of hacking. I tried
to tell her that she needs to learn Windows and the word
processor at least. She won't listen and accuse me of
driving her attention from finding out the evidence that I
hacked in. Therefore I am guilty. She said her printer is
broken and asked me to get one. I told her that she needs
to type 3 pages worth of essay. She claims that she is
tired even to do it. She says that she can type 30 wpm, how
long would it take to type 3 pages?

I am seriously thinking about leaving. I made a mistake. I
see many women who are amibitious and very independent. I
am sick and tired of her drama. I get upset when she
squanders money. Then she blames me for her spending habit.

She lies, and I can see through her. I know beauty can
only go a certain way, and this was very true in my case.
Sorry to rumble on. My case may be extreme. But what is
your take on this?

By Taxibob on Monday, July 30, 2001 - 10:53 am:

No wonder you were earlier trying to unload her onto other
mongers.

By Adelito on Monday, July 30, 2001 - 12:29 pm:

Hey, if you want to unload her that's one thing, but you
mentioned that you wanted her to work. Does she like sex? If
the answer is yes, then you might be able to pimp her out to
some of the other mongers. I know this sounds crazy and I
don't mean to be disrespectful, but it could spice up your
relationship with her. What do you think?
I am currently breaking up with my live in g/f of 12 1/2
years. I hadn't been interested in sex with her for a long
time. Now that we have broken up, she has lost 25 pounds,
started wearing thongs(I bugged her to do this for 6 or 7
years, but she always refused), she has gotten a belly
button ring(I bugged her to do this for 5 years, but she
always refused), and now she's started fooling around with
other people...men and women. I actually watched her with
another girl in our bed. This has become Penthouse Forum
type stuff and all the sudden I am turned on by her again.
So Joker, consider this option. Sometimes women need
something to light a fire under their ass, and then they get
their shit together. She probably thinks you would never
want to leave her so she can get away with murder. If she
knows you are willing to leave it could end up really
helping matters. My woman is doing everything she can think
of to try to get me to want to stay.

btw, she wants to go with me to Chicago Club and find a
chica with huge tits for both of us to play with. I don't
expect this to really happen because I have a novia in TJ
now and don't want to screw that up, but the woman at
home(La Mujer, as my novia calls her) does want to go.

By Shy_Guy on Monday, July 30, 2001 - 02:05 pm:

Why doesn't she go back to modeling? She claims she was
very good at it, and from your description it sounds like
she still has the goods. Okay, at age 26 she is clearly
over the hump, but there's always the skin rags.

If she starts pulling in some big bucks again, maybe you can
quit your job and live off her, just like the mexican novios
of the chicas of the zona norte.

What could possibly give you more satisfaction than hiring a
variety of sweet young things for your pleasure at an hourly
rate? Hiring them with her money. To paraphrase the motto
of a famous hombre: Mejor para usted.

Shy Guy

By progman on Monday, July 30, 2001 - 02:39 pm:

Joker,

Dude you need to get some friends (in the flesh) you can
lean on and talk to, not us... I don't think this is the
place for you to unload your problems on. You don't know the
mongers on this site yet, in the past, you have passed
judgement on us. I go back to a statement I made to you many
months ago - get a fucking life!... (prog)

By Joker on Monday, July 30, 2001 - 03:33 pm:

Progman,

Go fuck yourself.

By Joker on Monday, July 30, 2001 - 03:48 pm:

One more thing, I have never passed a judgement just
because you pay poor Mexican girls who might not be in the
business out of their own volition for sex. And if you have
construed what I have written before as passing judgement on
you, then you have a serious problem of prejudging people.

I am the one who should get a life, while only women you can
get is one you pay in TJ. That's is a life. Well, Prog, I
can see that you have a serious problem relating to women.
Do all women think you are a troll, too?

By Joker on Monday, July 30, 2001 - 03:49 pm:

Shy guy,

She is too lazy to go back to modeling. She got the taste
of being a lazy wife.

By progman on Monday, July 30, 2001 - 05:26 pm:

Joker,

Ouch, I think I hit a nerve. Glad to see you haven't
changed... Keep it coming buddy - you're always good for a
laugh! ... (prog)

By Barebear3 on Monday, July 30, 2001 - 06:12 pm:

IMHO your wife may be clinically depressed. "She claims
that she is tired..." "She talks about how good she was in
school and at job" but "I have been telling her to get a job
for the last 5 years, she won't do it."

Maybe she should go and get some help. There are low-cost
community mental health programs n most town.

By Joker on Monday, July 30, 2001 - 07:18 pm:

I know. I suspect her from suffering Bipolar disorder and a
bit of depression. My buddy offered to help, but she does
not realize she has a problem. She is refusing to get a
help, hence there is no cure for her. (I am tempted to spike
her drink with depakote or lithium.) And I am actively
seeking a rich voluntee to get her out of her misery.

By Innocent on Monday, July 30, 2001 - 07:22 pm:

Innocent,

Opinions are definitely like assholes, you know everybody's
got one. Well here's one more.

If what you are saying is accurate and you don't have kids
divorce her asap and spend more time in Thailand. Life is
passing by quickly. Remember the old Jay Leno commercial
for Doritos,"dump 'em we'll make more.

When I look back at the years I wasted with neurotic high
maintanance princesses I have to wonder what the fuck was my
problem.

Start folding your 'chute.

By Tmoney on Monday, July 30, 2001 - 07:38 pm:

Who cares about your wife, asshole? What the fuck do you
think this site is? A support group for dysfunctional
husbands? This post (thread) should be deleted. This site is
for information about whores world wide, not for you to vent
your problems with your marriage.

I understand you have these issues. I'm not putting you down
for it. I'm just putting you down for airing it here. Do it
some where else where some one actually gives a shit.

By Innocent on Monday, July 30, 2001 - 07:41 pm:

and yet one more opinion

By Daytimer on Monday, July 30, 2001 - 07:47 pm:

I agree with Innocent.....I spent ten years too long
putting up with a woman who had very little good to say
about me. I finally realized I did not have to put up with
crap.

I am 51 now (two years divorced) and feel I wasted some very
valuable years for nothing. I am having the time of my life
now, and do not put up with any crap. It is not worth it.
Men sell themselves out too much. We feel we have to be
loyal and stand by no matter what. My ex still bitches and
I go on having no problems and having fun. You only have
problems if you allow it. It is time to say adios.

By TJHombre on Monday, July 30, 2001 - 07:49 pm:

Nice attitude guys, chill out.

The primary topic on ClubHombre is sex, but Joker is welcome
to bring other topics up as is anyone else. A more
appropriate location for this thread would be under
off-topic, though. I'll move it there later on.

Joker, good luck. Sorry about some of the others, but it is
a free forum, you know.

By progman on Monday, July 30, 2001 - 08:34 pm:

TJHombre,

No offense boss but please don't apologize for me. You may
want to go back and read some of this guy's previous
posts... I'm tired of him popping in every two or three
months and passing judgement on us for our hobby! One time
he scared the shit out of one of our fellow mongers with his
half-ass medical comments.. When challenged his 'canned'
answers were that he was a happily married man and that he
doesn't need to buy a woman... Well, why the fuck does he
keep lurking around. It's kind of creepy if you ask me...
(prog)

By book_guy on Monday, July 30, 2001 - 08:48 pm:

Just a comment: the lashing out types of bi-polar violence
that some post-ers write to web boards is a simple
manifestation of their own unhappiness. They need to vent.
Unfortunately, people hear the steam leaking out and think
that all that whistling must mean something. Generally, what
they're after is a bit of sympathy, perhaps some specific
recommendations for how to solve their problem (it's always
nice to have a plan of action that you can blame on someone
else if it fails), and mostly a chance to write and write
about how they feel.

I'd say to people who are really unhappy and lonely, that
they aren't going to find true friendship on the internet.
This is a great place to exchange specific information, like
what kind of condom to buy or whether or not the Supreme
Court of Florida voted 6 to 3 or 5 to 4. It's an OK place to
discuss politics and morals, more because you're required to
write down your opinions and therefore at least make 'em
intelligible, if not coherent. But it's a silly place to
argue over inalienable differences, such as assumptions
about abortion or religion, since those deep issues are
rooted as much in the identity of the anonymous poster, as
they are in the words that he writes.

Consequently, I suggest, people who use the net for solace,
need to get off the net. I'd say to Joker, that he's clearly
unhappy. His wife, her evident depression, his own
frustration at having been sold a raw deal, are eating at
him. He doesn't need to CONTINUE to think of his own
isolation, by sitting alone in front of a terminal, no
matter how much it FEELS like interacting with people. He
needs real humans in his life aside from his wife.

That's my opinion and I'm stickin' to it.

By Innocent on Monday, July 30, 2001 - 09:05 pm:

Book guy,

No offense, but is this the same book guy that posted the
long post on 7/26 about not having anyone to share walks on
the beach and not being able to hookup with etc. etc.. If I
remember you got a nice response from several of us that
seemed genuine and heartfelt with some good advice
about your dilema.

Now you say people who use the net for solace need to get
off the net. Am I missing something?

By Kendricks on Monday, July 30, 2001 - 09:16 pm:

Innocent, I believe your previous post could be expanded a
bit:

Opinions are like assholes. Everybody's got one, and they
all leave a bitter taste in your mouth.

By Innocent on Monday, July 30, 2001 - 10:14 pm:

Kendricks'

I'm confused?

By Kendricks on Monday, July 30, 2001 - 10:20 pm:

It's just a joke, and wasn't directed at you, Innocent! I
hoipe you didn't take that wrong - I was just commenting on
a saying you quoted above.

The traditional saying is, "Opinions are like assholes.
Everybody's got one, and they all stink."

I have found it fucks with people's minds in normal settings
when you modify this to "Opinions are like assholes.
Everybody's got one, and they all leave a bitter taste in
your mouth." I have gotten some really stange reactions to
that. Messing with the normals is a little hobby I have
devoted myself to over the years.

God, I hate it when attempts at humor fail..... Maybe I
should go back to writing limericks 8-D

Kendricks

By Redongdo on Monday, July 30, 2001 - 11:10 pm:

This is a pretty strange place to ask for advice on your
marriage. Look at the two "serious" answers you
got...."Pimp her out to the other mongers" and "Have her
pose in skin mags".

Yeah, these guys aren't dysfunctional! HAH!

By Kendricks on Monday, July 30, 2001 - 11:15 pm:

What do you think the key is to a happy, stable, monogamist
relationship, red?

By Ldvee on Tuesday, July 31, 2001 - 06:45 am:

Joker,

I agree with Daytimer,"You only have problems if you allow
it." I was in a bad marriage (10 years)and probably spent 4
years too long hoping things would change. They finally did,
when I left. Marrying her was the worse decision I ever made
and leaving was the best decision I ever made. I have no
reservations whatsoever recommending someone bail on an
unhappy marriage. You only live once, don't fuck it up.

ldvee

By Innocent on Tuesday, July 31, 2001 - 07:37 am:

Kendricks,

You learn some thing new every day. I Allways thought it
meant just that.

In other words the the number of asshole-bearing
humans/people with opinions = population of the earth. I
never even considered taste or smell.

Infact some of the assholes I've known, most recently
(Betty, Chiapas, CC) were flushed and scrubed to a squeaky
clean perfection. Sometimes I found on sleepless nights or
in times of stress
memories of drilling her asshole helped to make everything
OK.

One other asshole (Monica, Veracruz, SG) comes to mind and
has only left me with memories of how clean clean and perky
it was.

I must admit I only got to insert my left middle finger into
it (while I held her tiny ass and drilled her bench vise
snatch) even now I can only dream of reaming it.

That day Monica said something very profound as we were
cuddling later. I't was and is still today very Zennish in
it's rhyme and meter.

Monica, pointing to her asshole said, "why do you put your
finger in there".

My answer, "I like it". You know Monica she just laughs.

What is the meaning of all this I'm not sure but it does
cause me to think of yet another question.

Does your dick make any sound while drilling some
chicas "sweet" ashole in the zone if no one "else"
is there?

Kendricks,

I never said I had the answer to a successful monogamistic relationship....if I knew I wouldn't be here either. I just have serious doubts the answer is to pimp your wife to your friends or encourage her to pose in a skin mag.

Quick answer to Innocent:

You're making a fair point. Perhaps I should have been a little more circumspect, as well as a little more definite in my distinctions. I was posting asking for ADVICE; Joker is posting looking for the chance to VENT. This is evidenced by the fact that, if you give him advice, he neither assesses it, nor takes or rejects it. I did indeed vent a bit in my past posts about how to get a date, and for that I humbly apologize. I don't believe we'll be seeing any humble apologies any time soon from Joker about his blanket misogyny -- more power to him! he's entitled to his opinion. So, yes, you're right, I should take a bit of my own advice and look for REAL friendships in the REAL world, and remember the parable of the pot calling the kettle black. But I do insist, there's a difference not just of degree, but of kind, between my behavior and Joker's.

Oh, and about the assholes statements. Try this one on for size:

Assholes are like opinions. Everybody always seems to be mouthing one, but nothing worthwhile ever comes out.

Bleccccch ...

book guy,

No apology needed. I'm just trying to keep my head on straight. Actually anyone on this board that thinks they are not a little lost from time to time is REALLY in illusion. We are all just trying t find our way.

I have had a little fun in the past goofing on some of the macho attitudes posted on this board
but it seems that a sense of humor is not as common as "thin skins". Who knows? Who cares? This should be fun and entertaining.

Occasionaly something serious cums up like the close shave Kedricks and I just had with possible fate. Other wise in my opinion I think many people are taking things here to seriously.

For a while I was posting things like "professional sports are bullshit" or "fucking duh" just to instigate the hard core weekend quarter backs.

I didn't even get a courtesy fuck you or get called an asshole for going so against the grain.
One of my favorite sayings is,"what could be less important than my opinion".

I all ways like the dazed and bewildered look I get from that one.
My friends know me as a real ball buster, hey it took a long time to get this way. And don't forget I am MR. Innocent. Enjoy

TJHombre you can run your site any way you want. Please don't take this as a rip on you, but if you alow this kind of crap to go on, what's next? "My boss is a prick and dosn't understand me? My mom kept me on the titty too long? Daddy was a drunk and beat me? Mom always did like my older brother best she said he was her favorite?"

I mean what the fuck? I'm not discounting this idiots feelings, I'm sure he has real issues but I don't think a site dedicated to banging whores is a place to let it all out. Doesn't Yahoo, MSN, or AOL have some kind of crappy, boo-hoo, I need to cry on somebodies shoulder, message board. Try www.feelgood.com, www.mylifesucks.com, or what ever.

Which leads me to my question. Do you have a mission statement? Maybe it's time to get one. If you have one I haven't looked it maybe in the FAQ's and if it is I'm sorry. But to me this site should be about banging whores and all the other fun shit that goes along with it.

Who else really gives a flying rats ass if some fuck face doesn't like the fat piece of shit pig bitch his wife turned out to be. Guess what schmuck?!? Jokes on you, you've been HAD, you've been BAMBOOZLED, you've been RUN-A-MUCK.

You made a bad choice dude, and we don't care.

We want to hear about how much it costs to bang really hot pieces of ass.

Dear Tmoney,

I've been trying to bang some of these hot pieces of ass in the zone but nobody there seems to like me.

You sound like a really cool macho guy that all the girls must really go for. I could really use some tips from a smooth operator like you.

I'm sure you can tell me what to do.

Anxiously Awaiting Your Reply,
Mr. Innocent

Sure thing, it's not that hard. Bring your wallet gringo. See a hot piece of ass, approach, fuck, pay, repeat.

Your attempt at sarcasim is duely noted. But you're going to have to come with stronger smack than that.

That sounds like to much work, butt I'll think about it.

I must respectfully disagree with TMoney there aren't many websites where people are likely to give a little of themselves in order to obtain some suggestions to improve their quality of life.
Sure there's Dr. Love and many other so call experts out there, but sometimes mongers need to hear from their peers (other mongers).
I think that's why this thread is under Off-Topic and that should be enough to keep those who wish not to engage into these "philosophical" threads.

These off topic threads sometimes turn into flame rooms, but so do almost every other thread dedicated to full-time (single) mongers.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but when this site first came to life I remember TJH warning everyone that this website was going to only focus on Tijuana. But look at it now! There are many topics of discussions.
Well I think I made my point and any disagreements are welcome. But think about this:
What are you doing reading off topic threads in the first place?

Actually I don't see your point at all. I still say this is no place to ask for advice on how to have a happy marriage. Do you ask starving people the best way to lose weight?

And I read these threads for the same reason I pay a buck to see the world's smallest horse or a two headed monkey. So I can say, "Glad I'm not that fucker!"

..What are you doing reading off topic threads in the first place?..

What I don't understand is, not only are they reading threads they have no interest in, but their responding to them..over and over!. There are plenty of threads here I have no interest in reading, some I just find irritating (Politics and a good amount of what Westfargo writes), but as long as two people want to discuss the subject that's fine by me, I'll just avoid it. And If no one's interested then the thread will quickly die.

Jarocho,

You're right... This site started out about ONLY banging chicas in TJ. It's now expanded to banging chicas all over the fucking WORLD!

I think maybe you should start your own "I-need-to-be-loved" site. I'm sure Joker will sign up.

The point is that even Off-Topic threads have some sort of ties to guys and gals already engaged in the 'hobby'. Not whether we should help some jackass figure out if he should keep his wife or not.

Joker,

Seriously - My advice to you is to decide for yourself if there's ANY chance your marriage is worth saving. If the answer is 'yes' then stay away. This site will only tempt you away from trying to save your marriage - not re-enforce your vows...

(prog)

Wow! cs major all this time I thought you want it a girl from Thailand (jk) :-)

Progman and Tmoney,

Why not think of this site as being an evolutionary phenominon that caters to the individual needs of mongers at different levels.

Some of our lives are complicated by our wives/girlfriends. If you have a simpler life I encourage you to have a little compassion for some of our more confused bretheren.

Script #2 I would bet in person you've never had to depend on any body to watch your back, never had to rely on ony one to hold you in one piece.

Script #3 Where I was raised Newark, NJ you would
be a dinner roll before the main meal. You Sound so tough and you sound so mean. Snap out of it.

Most of us are drowning in pussy. Why not help these other lost guys out instead of talking your macho bullshit.

You talk the talk, but do you walk the walk?

Well said, Innocent.

Everybody,
I've been reading your posts. I too am married! Yes, I do have an advantage. My wife is Mexican. She knows what I do. She knows she has children and she just keeps her mouth shut too. But shes managed to find out about this board and other activities. She's so proud that she would never divorce me. Why? Because she would look bad infront of her family. Plus, I would never divorce her either. I told her many times. Your not 18 years old anymore! I have a few other monger friends that their wife's found out. Jimmy and I used the same technice. Just say you love your wife, but she's not 18 years old anymore. My wife doesn't mind me fucking young gals. As long as the gals don't come by the house, she tolerates it. She's found my extensive photo collection too. She's even commented how pretty Veronca, Ruth, and Rosio is and then she'll look at little Veronicas hair and say. My hair is sexyer then her's? I say, of course it is! Then she'll ask, do you tell these gals over love them like you tell me? I say, NO! I just like their companionship as a change from the daily grind. They know I'm married! Actually Veronica and Rosio have gotten ahold of my other home number and have spoken to my wife. I just denie the whole thing to them and the beleive me.
She just has a problem with me paying for sex! But she has a don't ask and I have a don't tell policy. You can have your cake and eat it too. Just tell your wife, you love her. Your a man and you like young women. But you'll never leave her for one.

Again, I lucky, the only reason your wife makes your life miserable is that she thinks your going to leave her. You have to convince her your not going to leave her. But above all, don't stop fucking around! That's the only thing that makes all men equal, rich, poor, black, white. When your in the sack with a little 18 years old just getting ready to fill her cooch with cream. At that moment your richer then Bill Gates. And that's the happiest your ever going to be in your intire life. Don't let ANYBODY take that away!

Westfargo...

The reason discussions about marriage, about the crap that North American princesses fling at us, and and about other seemingly off-topic stuff, all come up here at Club Hombre, is that this is a website about gender relations. There's a sea-change going on out there, probably in the whole world but more specifically in the marriage rituals and expectations of North Americans, and guys don't know how to navigate the seas any more. Feral opportunism abounds ... some people get taken advantage of, and often the people who DO the taking advantage are doing it in the NAME of what they mistakenly see to be altruism, the "right" thing, or what they were trained to be at mommy and/or daddy's knee.

I sympathize with Joker. He's been left without oar or rudder in these shifting seas. The very system he sacrificed so much for, in order to support the system, is exactly that system which hurts him the most. And you can replace that word "system" with the word "person" in that sentence, probably, too.

Anyway, there are some few websites that address these issues. Unfortunately, nearly all of them (I've looked, believe me) view the average biological male sexuality not as a boon, a joy, what makes life worth living. Rather, these websites, and the respondents on them, nearly always view male sexuality as the very disease that needs to be cured. The reason people like Joker have to come here to Club Hombre to discuss these things, is that here is one of the few places where he'll receive sympathy rather than dissection. Try writing, "I just can't believe I don't get sex more than once a month from my wife" on a public bulletin board at www.mylifesucks.com (LOL, I oughta buy that domain name!): the responses you get are generally NOT "here's how to have a happy life by (a) getting what you want or (b) learning how to tolerate and appreciate getting less of what you want."

Rather, the responses nearly ALL tend to fall into the category of "(c) you aren't allowed to want what you want. You criminal. Men are shits ..." blah blah blah. How-to-get-laid sites tell you all about how to GIVE ROMANCE without sex, not how to GET LAID. How-to-be-a-good-husband sites tell you all about how to FOREGO SEX, not how to MAKE BOTH PARTNERS HAPPY. This negligence on the part of the website responses, is just another symptom of the sea-change I mentioned earlier. The world is modifying, and we aren't keeping up, and we don't know what a reasonable or an unreasonable expectation for a human interaction IS, any more.

Consequently, when a guy finds a haven of lusty men who are HONEST about their sexuality, he finally feels he can, as well, be honest. Unfortunately, the fact that we all here admit to wanting to fuck lots of hot bodies, does not mean we all here know how to fix marriages.

I suggested Joker get out of the house, into the real world, and stop seeking solace in a computer. I said that because I feel that the advice and solace which most computer locations offer is ineffective. As someone said, and I certainly agree, you wouldn't ask a starving man how to cook a gourmet meal. And you wouldn't (a parallel to the useless other bulletin boards) ask a vegetarian how to grill a steak ... they'll just tell you that you aren't allowed to want to eat steak at all.

But I suggested he get out and into the real world for another reason. I said it because I think the NATURE of posting to the internet is a sort of dysfunctional, vicious-cycle, act. It involves looking at yourself, saying something, seeing that something reconfirmed by the magic "post this message" button, and then saying something else. There's not an act of triangulation, in which a secondary point of view comes to bear on the object. Sure, other folks read and respond to your post, but meanwhile you've already confirmed, and affirmed, internally what you're feeling. You've run it over and over and you don't even necessarily hear or see their triangulations at all before you've already decided you're RIGHT. In a dire situation, that just makes things all the worse. Joker has already gone down the slippery slope. He doesn't need to sit there at the bottom and spin his wheels.

In its best sense, an internet board can offer alternative viewpoints, an opportunity for people to hear you out and identify specific locations where your thinking or feeling mechanisms have failed you. That is hardly going on with Joker. He isn't listening to what folks have to say, he's well beyond the point of being able to do that. So, off to the real world you go, Joker! Enjoy the sunshine! It's raining here ...

Westfargo,

You are not only lucky but I believe also in a great minority as far as the dynamics of your relationship at home. More power to you.

I can only aspire to have such a relationship in the future.

Bookguy,

Once again I'd like to second your emotions. There is no shortage of discussion of cock and cunt on this board (try my post above about Monica's and Betty's assholes). Hey we're all just trying to enjoy ourselves.

A real man/true warrior is actually defined not only by his courage in battle but also his courage to defend and support those who are weaker, smaller or any way not able to survive in this world.

This name calling, slashing and burning of mongers who are in a bad space/having a tough time
should really stop(unless you are satarizing or ball busting FOR FUN like "professional sports suck fuckin' duh", you know something like that).

Is it possible to have more of a team spirit?
How about when some one is down fucking don't kick him?

Either help him up, or, if you don't have anything good to say don't say anything. Just leave him laying there and walk away.

"Are we men or are we animals", H.G. Wells, from The Island of Dr. Moreaux. Read the book when I was a kid. Not too long ago they did a pretty good job with the movie.

That's my opinion, what's yours.

You guys are overanalyzing. Call it tough love, call it a slap in the face. Sometimes the truth hurts, but hearing it helps. I call it instant enlightenment.

When you get your nose rubbed in it you never forget.

Redongdo,

Sometimes what your saying may be true. But one man's drink is another man's poison.

To say that, tough love, slap in the face, truth
hurts, getting your nose rubbed in it is overall a good approach you're wrong.

Sometimes it may just add insult to injury.

Now back to Monica's asshole.

Innocent,

Not sure what the heck you're talking about but apparently I hit a nerve with you as well. Look, I feel sorry for the guy - I really do! I was married for 17 years before hanging it up. My ex and I tried to make it work but we just couldn't. I've been divorced 2.5 years now and have a good, cordial, relationship with her. As I was figuring how to make my marriage work I couldn't imagine lurking around this site would have helped. Remember - Joker has been popping in and out here for some time now (even when he boasted that he was "set" with his wife). I guess I just don't have too much patience for anything he has to say or his well being. If it were someone else, who knows, maybe I'd be more "loving and caring"… (prog)

Progman,

I don't know Jokers history but you're not the first one to allude some kind of sorted past with his postings. So mabey your spin on this is more correct than I know.

The fact remains this is an off topic thread. If it's not your cup of tea why get pulled into it?

I see pain and suffering everyday in my job, sometimes unpleasant deaths. Mabey I'm burned out. They say if your not sure you probably are. I'm definitely overdue for a vacation.

Mr. Innocent

Innocent,

I understand - and you're right. I don't, nor want, to get pulled into this topic anymore.

As far as being burned out - take a break in La Zona this weekend. I'll buy you a beer... (prog)

Hombre, If you were to perhaps offer full complementary memberships to Dr. Phil, Dr. Ruth, Dear Abby(posthumously), and Judge Judy, we could get this cluster fuck cleared up. One more for the record...."Opinions are like assholes, everybody's got one and they're all full of shit!"
Archie