i haven't read this entire thread, but i'm a little familiar with the story. ex--crossing illegal and then bringing the children is pretty standard. it is much easier to get a kid across the boarder than an adult. i probably know at least 50 folks that have done it that way. getting a birth certificate and social security card is a piece of cake and several children can use the same documents to cross.

Sampson, the problem is that this guy "D" wants to take Mariana over the border, but she doesn't want to go. My advice to the guy is to set up an apartment in TJ, but MasterBates hasn't filled us in on the end of the story yet.

Explorer

Of course she doesnt want to go.

What mexican girl would want to leave her tough guy novio or esposo ?

Falling for a streetgirl is worse than falling for a barwhore

My advice is get a real mexicana out of the factories.
As long as you are not some goofy repulsive loser you have a chance

Milky

After some research, I have come to the conclusion that Miss "M" does not have a novio. At least, not one that lives with her.

My personal opinion is that Mariana really likes "D", and that he should jump on it. That's why I'm curious to learn the rest of the story.

Explorer, and other interested or concerned mongers- sorry I haven't been posting any updates to this continuing saga as of late, but I just walked in the door after spending a week in Las Vegas.

So to answer your question, I don't know what the latest is with "David" and Marianna. I've got a shit load of messages on my answering machine from other concerned friends asking about him. I can only assume he did NOT fulfill his quest in getting Marianna to be his latest love. I know this because she has personally told me she doesn't have a love interest in him. I've tried to tell him this before in my own way, but he couldn't bring himself to believe Marianna gives an equal amount of GFE toward the likes of Epimetheus and other mongers (no offense E)

As for the other saga going on with him and the other chica from the Las Chavelas (whom I cannot mention for many obvious reasons) They apparently split up and that's all I know. I have also heard my TJ trip buddy hasn't been keeping in touch with me because somebody else I know (who again shall remain very nameless) went and told him I was posting all about his personal life on this board. I can't see why he's pissed at this, considering I'm not using his real name.

So if you saw Marianna still peddling her cute little ass on the sidewalk, then you know more about what's going on than me.

Master Bates.

Mr. Bates sez:

" I know this because she has personally told me she doesn't have a love interest in him."

Sounds like a chica marketing pitch to me, ie she was looking to escort *you* up to the room.

And ME

Not quite, I've have never fucked her, and never will. She's not my type. Too thin. If you want to know the type of chica I'm into, then just scroll on over to the photo's thread and see what all the latest fuss is about with all these mongers posting remarks about the girls I choose to fuck.

mb

Mr. Bates:

Hey, I was a fan of one of your faves, Liliana the mesera. Too bad you scared her away from Chaveles.

No, I didn't scare her away from the Las Chavelas, she got her cute little ass fired from there for being a violent little bitch toward her co-workers.

Competition was very tough amongst working girls and masera's. Who was it who once said, "Hell hath no fury like a woman scourned?"

Mr. Bates, once again, I have to ask about the ongoing soap opera of your friend "D" and Ms. Mariana, did they ever get hooked up, did he ever knock her up, etc, etc?

What a coincidence. I logged on to this site specifically to contact you and anyone else who might be interested in this....

Yes, as a matter of fact I just got back from the Zona. I walked into the La Costa restaurant which is right around the corner from Las Pulgas the other evening, and was in the company of a beautiful Mexican lady (hooker) when I spotted my friend "David" in one of the booths all snuggled up with Marianna.

I knew he was in TJ because he called me the other night and told me he was heading down to TJ. But I didn't expect to find him in the same restaurant as me. We both joined them and we all had a long talk. I told him there is a discuss thread about him and Marianna and he was delighted to hear it. ( I don't think he's a CH member anymore) He and Marianna were holding hands and giggling like a couple of teenagers.

He asked me to point out to any mongers who question Marianna's sincerity toward him ( especially Epimetheus) that he gets more sincere love from her than any other monger. (His words, not mine) personally, I think it's bullshit, because if she was as sincere toward him as he says, then she wouldn't be peddling her ass on the sidewalk, now would she?

But anyway, that's the latest. He's trying to forget all about the chica he met at the Las Chavelas, whom he spent so much money on to bring over to the US, ( and again, for very obvious reasons, I can't go into too much detail about that) but it didn't work out and she split. Now he goes and cries on Marianna's shoulder telling her all about his failed love life.

His goal is to eventually marry a hooker and settle down and have a child with her. Again, these are his words. But the strange thing is, after she's spent a whole night at the Las Cascadas with him, she goes back down to the street corner from where he picked her up. She can't be that devoted to him, otherwise she 'd stay with him and ONLY him, not hopping in the sack twenty minutes later with some other monger.

Just curious, Explorer, and I'm certainly not asking this so that I can repeat it to my friend, but are you doing Marianna also?

BTW, and speaking of Epimetheus, whatever happened to him?

Masterbates

Epimetheus is alive and well.He is however jonesing hard for his little brown honeys back in the Philipines since his return.

Putanero

"She can't be that devoted to him, otherwise she 'd stay with him and ONLY him, not hopping in the sack twenty minutes later with some other monger."

On the other hand, many "providers" have local boyfriends, husbands or padrotes.. They seem to have no problem fucking any of us mongers who have the $$ to rent them for a few minutes..

Of course they don't tell the "significunt other" that they are frenching, sucking and going bareback with gringos, LOL.. It would be too much for most "novios"...

What amazes me is that the chicas seem so devoted to these guys and how the guys can overlook the fact their chicas are fucking 5, 10 or more guys a day..

"His goal is to eventually marry a hooker and settle down and have a child with her."

I will keep my mouth shut on this one as i do not want to offend this individual.
Is this just becuase he has a fantasy or he has trouble getting dates ?
Why would anyone want a prostitute as a wife ?
I can understand a monger that developes feelings for a girl , heck I think we all have once.
But for a devoted wife ?
Tell this Tuff Guy to get ahold of me and I will hook him up with a chica that doesnt have 345 std's and a hole the size of Uranuss.

Altogringo again you know your stuff.
Good reply friend.

Whats funny is a few "Vets" on this board still dismiss that a lot of girls both street and club girls will go bareback. But I do agree with them that it shouldn't be done.

What a nice clean thing to do.
Hmm a working girl that fucks 50 to 200 guys a month From locals to drug users to plain dirty men this must be the safest thing to do.

Sometimes i do not know what these guys are thinking.

Milk who hardly knows what he is thinking

I would suggest that we NOT enter into yet another discussion about having a working girl for a wife.

Instead, this guy "D" wants facts.

My suggestion: if he's happy, why rain on his parade? As long as he doesn't:

a) try to convince Miss "M" to leave Mexico with him

or

b) think that he's going to be able to set up an apartment with her in TJ for an extended period of time (although this is more possible than #a)

why make him unhappy? Mariana really does have feelings for this guy, although she also needs to pay the rent and has the ability to compartmentalize her work and her 'home life'.

MB

Sounds like "David" is back in the mix again, eh? Trouble, trouble, trouble...

Perhaps she does love him. Perhaps she does just look at it as a job with others and with him it's "different". Perhaps my cock spits diamonds and I shit golden turds (gotta love Naked Lunch). Who really knows.

When I see her she calls me by name and we talk for quite a while. Regardless of whether I'm paying her for her services, she's kind and sweet to me. When we're in the room we have a wonderful time together that involves many of the same events "David" engages in with her. I like her a lot. I think she actually likes me too. If I spoke Spanish, my relationship with her would be fundamentally different.

The difference here is my goal in life is not to look for a piece of meat in TJ's RLD to spend my life with. These relationships are DOOMED to fail!! Granted, there's the one in a thousand that works out wonderfully. I think Altogringo has a friend that took a girl from CC and married her - living life happily together with a new baby. THEY ARE THE EXCEPTION!!!! For that one to succeed you burn another 999 to the ground.

There are enough obstacles in the path of life keeping me from getting married and trying to make a life with a woman. I'm not sure I could bear another stressor like my friends knowing she was a SG in TJ.

I have had relationships in TJ with working girls - some good, most swept right into the shitter where they belonged!! They are too much like American hookers to make good mates.

I hope "David" enjoys his time with Mariana. Most likely he'll end up broken-hearted and even poorer then the previous fiasco, but that the lessons taught by life. Past performance is indicative of future performance.

Experience: What you get when you didn't get what you wanted. Unfortunately, I see "David" gaining more experience in the near future.

Epimetheus means "Afterthought". I think this is important to most, but especially to "David". Here's what dictionary.com has this to say about afterthought:
1) \Aft"er*thought`\ n. An idea, response, or explanation that occurs to one after an event or decision.
2) Reflection after an act; later or subsequent thought or expedient.

"David" does not reflect upon his own history and so he is doomed to repeat it.

I don't know about you, but I hate it when people try to talk about subjects they do not understand. Since I hate it so much I keep my mouth closed and my ears open when I come across something out of my field of expertise. Better to have people suspect you're a fool then open your mouth and remove all doubt. Have you noticed how much I've written about this very subject in this thread? I have seen guys beat themselves into pulp over bargirls on many continents. I have seen people get so wound up over whores they've ruined vacations over it.

At times I've referred to myself as the "Teflon Monger" when joking with friends, however I've not been immune. I too have heard the sirens sing their dreadfully beautiful songs to lure me onto these rocks. The last one wasn't NEARLY as bad as the others because I was looking for a scam. I was disappointed more then anything when I figured out what it was. From that relationship I got "experience" and I guarantee I won't allow this to happen again.

I feel like Pontius Pilate - I want to wash my hands of this madness. You can only watch the train wreck sooOOOOOOOoooo many times before you gotta turn the channel.

E

Afterthought - the breakfast of champions!!

" I think she actually likes me too."



" If I spoke Spanish, my relationship with her would be fundamentally different. "



Hmmmmmm .... I think my point was that we aren't here to make David feel badly.

Hey, maybe I should write that she really, really loves *me*, she had my baby, and invited me to move to her apartment. That would really help Mr. "D".

Epimetheus, that posting was so incredibly well written that I'm going to make a personal request to Hombre to store it in the Classic Archives Thread, if there is such a thread.

It was sheer poetry, to say the least. Everything you said, including the fourth and second from last paragraph were phrases I've quite literally told "David" myself.

I've just-about given up trying to convince him there's way too many fish in the sea and to forget about this worthless tramp who's fucked up his mind. ( No, I'm not talking about Marianna. I'm referring to the chica he "rescued" from the LC) I can't talk to him about this anymore.

Milkman, you asked if it's just a fantasy, or does he have trouble getting dates? Well, I think it's a little of both. I Mean, Christ! I though I had low self esteem at times. But this trip buddy of mine has just gone completely overboard-emotionally AND financially.

And by reading your posts about this subject, I have no doubt you've all seen this scenario played out over and over again, but what hurts is I'm right there sometimes watching him cry like a baby over this. It's awful and I'm forever telling him the reason why I constantly log onto CH and share trip stories is because it's just a way for me to keep my sanity. Meaning, it's comforting to know there's a whole bunch of guys out there who are in the same boat as me and my friend "David."

The only difference being, you guys aren't looking to bring a hooker home with you.

BTW, I 'm glad some of you are still CH members.Tomorrow I'm meeting a chica from the LC whom I spent a lot of time with last week. We're both heading on further south to the fishing resort of San Felipe and I can promise you this should be a trip report like no other.

Master Bates.

MB

There are times where you watch the beating, and times where you're the one under the wheels of the bus. Been there, done that, don't ever want to do it again...

"David" is looking for someone to save. He should start with himself first. I think he needs to get that 4 pounds of jelly riding around in his head operating correctly before he tries to rescue another. I understand wanting to "fix" something, but this is something that is, most likely, unfixable.

"Classic archives" - that's funny!!

Ex

I'm not trying to beat "David" with a baseball bat (a la Joe Pesci). I'm just trying to avoid the train wreck I see coming. He will do himself no favors and I can't imagine that Mariana is looking for more grief in her life then she already has.

"David" wants what he can't have. That's not a bad thing. It can make us strive for more and push ourselves to become so much more then what we currently are. Think about this - is this goal healthy? What good will come of this? Think he's moving back to Morelia to be close to his love?

I really need a drink after all this crap.

E

Hmmm ... I ran into Miss M on the street yesterday, and she's all excited about some gringo novio, she says that she spends the night with him, and is in love with him. ¿I wonder who that could be?

Funny you should mention that Mr. Ex. I too had a long conversation with Ms. Marianna. It was the night before I took my chica from the Las Chavelas to San Felipe for a week ( different topic I know, but with a worthwhile trip report to follow) I asked Marianna to join me for dinner where we both had a long talk.

She told me she wants to return the love "he" gives her ( and we all know who we're talking about) because he treats her like no other guy. These are her words, not mine.

What she probably means by that is, he pays her more bucks for the bang. But hey, like I've already said, I've given up talking to him about her or the other chica who stole his heart and quite literally fucked up his head, so all I do now is just read the advice from fellow mongers who have loved and lost, then I'll just pass on the information.

Got a phone call early this morning from a friend. he's enroute to TJ. Apparently Marianna will be in the company of her novio throughout the week-end. So don't bother looking for her.

Geez, this is going to catch up with Mariana financially, since Saturday is her best night.

He better start shelling out the bucks, or else.

I think that she does'nt want a god damn thing to do with him, or she would be with him. She left for a fucking reason.

I hope nobody invested any time this week-end in looking for Ms. Marianna. (yes, you Explorer) If you did, you were probably wasting your time as I know for a fact she was M.I.A.

A little birdie told me she was whisked off her feet by someone (I won't mention any names) and taken on a little excursion to Ensenada where I am told, she "had the time of her life."

Apparently, I was informed she walked around the moon-lit harbor, enjoyed the surroundings of a candle-lit seafood dinner, was treated to the elegant surroundings of a five-star hotel, (by Mexican standards) and even showered with gifts, in the form of neglige's and flowers.

But alas, she wouldn't accept his hand in marriage, so "he" returned to the US once again all broken hearted and crying the blues to me asking where he went wrong.

Master Bates.

You have to be making this up. Nobody can be this fucking dumb and still have a job and a place to live.

Dem Gnomes

No, I'm not making this up. And by the sound of your handle, you're obviously a "newbie" to the TJ hooker scene or to CH.

But to fully answer your question, no-I'm not making any of this up. Some of the hombre's I'm posting this to, the TJ hooker-chasing veterans, have met this TJ trip buddy of mine on quite a number of occasions. (Natuarally, I won't reveal his true name here) but he is alive and well and exists in world where he can find true companionship and affection in the company of TJ hookers.

....But thank you for your concern, just the same.

Master Bates.

Dem Gnomes - You said it all !!!!

And Gnomes has been around for a while.

Master-bates writes "where he can find true companionship and affection in the company of TJ hookers."

Money wil buy you anything in the Zona , Whatever illusion you want you can have for a price.

And tell your friend thanks for the gifts
Milkman

Dem who??? Never heard of him. As for the gifts, I'm sure you'll be wearing that neglige with pride as you sit and watch your Brazilian she-male tapes!

M. Bates.

I agree, except it's not so much the label "hooker" but all the emotional baggage/history, manipulation, etc. that cums with them when they leave the "profession"..

My buddy here in LA married one a few years back.. So far they (and the baby) seem to be doing just fine..

The so called nice girls, "non-pros" (read spoiled bitches) on this side of the border have their own set of baggage (read challenges)..

Relationships in general seem to me to be far more challenging than any profession one could take up, lol...

Well, Well, well. Guess what? Upon my return from visiting my novia in Obregon, Sonora, I planted myself in my hotel room at the Las Cascadas for an entire day, while writing a nice long love letter to my (hopeful) future wife who will one day accept my hand in marriage. But that's another story.

Lets get on to some very pressing matters. While attempting to present this letter in true gramatic Spanish, I was having trouble doing so, even with the assistance of a English/Spanish dictionary. I decided to go downstairs and take a coffee break. When I got downstairs, I was walking around the Zona in the early evening time and came across Marianna. I asked her to accompany me to my room to assist with proof reading this letter in Spanish. She broke away from her assigned post, and gladly obliged.

When Marianna got to my room, she read the letter for me, and even corrected the grammar to where it was more understandable. She explained about proper punctuation and how to word it correctly. (she's not dunb by any standards, she's very literate) I thanked her for her help and offered to buy her dinner. She refused, saying she had just eaten earlier, but would accept a coffee from me.

As we both stood up, the subject changed from my somewhat failed seedy love life to the topic of.... yes, you guessed it-"David." She asked how he was, and if he was okay. She had many questions about him and asked when she was going to see him again. And before any of you mongers are just aching to respond back with Marianna missing the guaranteed paycheck, let me just assure you, I have first hand knowledge of knowing now how that's just not the case.

When Marianna hit me with a barage of questions about my TJ trip buddy, her eyes began to fill with tears and she began crying uncontrollably. She said she was lonely without him and he is the only man ever to treat her like a lady. She emphacised how money was not a factor with them, but wanted me to pass on the message that he has a very special place in her heart for him. I don't know what to make of this, all I know is those tears were real and were tears of sadness.

Told you so.

Cheaper just to kill 'em.

Dem Gnomes

PS: David. Maria. Whichever.

Hey Mr bates,

Sorry to go off topic, but what did you think about Obregon?

Obergon is one of the best places in Mexico to pick up women. You don't have to go to the bars. Just meet them on the street. They are ready and willing/

Batster, glad you asked. I'm just a little surprised that some of you were able to find this thread considering that it has been moved to "off-topic." But to answer your question, it was awesome. It was so nice to get away from California for a while.

I didn't fly down there, I got the bus. And you should see the buses-outstanding. Totally first class luxury buses complete with clean restroom and little TV's which show the latest movies. It took me eighteen hours to get there.

The women of Obregon are for the most part exceptionally beautiful. Some look like they belong at the Adelitas. But of course, I couldn't look too much because I had my novia (the ex-Las Chavelas chica) with me and she was watching my every move.

But I noticed a certain friendliness from many women there, and it wasn't my imagination either. I was the only white guy for hundreds of miles and my novia's friends and relatives referred to me as "gringo." I wanted to stay longer and really explore the city but could only stay a week. I plan on going back real soon because this relationship with me and my chica is getting to where we can't stand being apart from each other. But I would recommend Obregon. It's a poor city, but it's a nice city.

I somehow got the feeling that it was real easy to get to meet women, as Papa C just pointed out, you don't have to go to bars to meet them. For example, when I was in this one supermarket, these check-out cashiers were very fiendly and "chatty" toward me. Needless to say it was pissing my novia off big time. But I paln to go back soon. I want to get a better look at the place and I want to scope out some more good looking women there.

Master Bates.

Papi C writes "Obergon is one of the best places in Mexico to pick up women. You don't have to go to the bars. Just meet them on the street. They are ready and willing"

Anyplace in Mexico is a great place to meat women.
TJ is a portal for chicas from all over. Just hang in centro get a place to live and you will have so many you might start selling them.

I would like to venture out to Veracruz , Los Mochis , Matazlan , Obregon , Chiapas are all on my list.
I am trying to get Ben to sponsor me

take care
Milky

I now have a very nice relationship with a girl from Chapas. If they are all as sweet as her I would think about reiring there.

The only complaint I have about her is her age. She is 21 which is a little older than I am use too.

Ben you're a wise young man. Chiapas is a great place to retire. A lot chicas from central america come to Tapachula to "work".

-Jarocho

Ben sorry I don't think I know you anymore.

It's a fucking outrage 19 I can understand , 20 maybe but 21 ?
Next thing you know you will be going after plastic adelita whores.
Me and Jo had an adventure the other night
They now call me hamburger boy !!

take care
Milkman

Talked to Jo yesterday and he said you both had a good time. Said you embarrassed him, but whats new about that.

I am starting to get old and just think it is time to settle down with an older women.

How did I do that ??
I am trying to think of what I did ?
He told me to get an extra pickle So i gave him one !!

Well lets not go overboard with the older women Mr Bill !!!

hahahaha
Milky

Masterbates,

I agree with you about Obregon. That area there( Obregon, Navajoa, Los Mochis) is outstanding for women. Obregon is just large enough to have a good selection and just far enough from the border to not get a lot of gringos. Centuries ago when I was in college in Arizona, I had a roommate from Obregon( Esperanza). Pretty quick I realized that almost all of my closest freinds were from Obregon and Navajoa. We used to go partying there on long weekends. Oh those were the days.

Next time you go, take your chica to Alamos. Its Closer to Navajoa than Obregon.

The buses are great, if you don't want to drive.

Good luck with you chica.

Can we all now get back to what this "off topic" thread was intended for? "David" is sitting here with me at my pad waiting patiently for an update on Marianna. Thank you!

Master bates.

Mariana update: last Wednesday, I went down to TJ, but Ms. M was taken up by some client, and never made it back down to the street the whole night.

Mariana update II: I had my second session with her late last night...a session I didn't need at the conclusion of a 3 day stand in TJ. She is imho the single nicest human being I have known in Tijuana. She is also the most considerate provider...as I said, I didn't NEED this session - yet she made it all work to perfection. She is a very special chica. I sincerely hope that she will find her Prince Charming and be relieved of this duty.

Yes, you see the problem is, Erip, I too at one time had a fair amount of attraction for her, but out of respect for my TJ trip buddy "David" would never EVER do her, because as I've posted before, I view her as a friend more than anything else. I've taken her for coffee, taken her to lunch and dinner, brought her back hot chocolate where I've stood there with her at her location, but have always valued her friendship more than anything else.

She's very personable and very chatty. Always laughing and joking around with me. But has never propositioned me, nor would I expect her to. If I did her, I wouldn't feel right about it and my conscience would get the better of me. I know she's not loyal to my friend "David" who's just head-over-heels about her, but still, I know her as someone whom I've had countless conversations with who's always willing to supply female company over dinner.

Now, as for her petite little friend Marisol who stands right next to her, yeah, sure I'd love to take her upstairs, but you know how women are-they talk. Not that I'd mind that they talk, but I think Marianna see's me as a "gentleman" because I've never approached her for sex.

Master bates.

Damn, is this chica really as cute as her pic in the ZRG?

She isn't exactly what most of us would call a hottie. Girl next door type with a smile to light up any size room, and so much genuine warmth behind that. She's got a great sense of humor and can be very playful. Flaca construction with decent natural jugs. Not too great in the middle but that's her only overt flaw. Fantastic companion in the room...fantastic chica!