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Oh..and P.S. since the facts seem to so easily get distorted on this thread;

The idea for the auction site was actually Bwana Diks and a couple of other guys started offering ideas, none of whom were Don.

Sandmanatalossovertherageonthisthread...I am out of this nonsense

Sandman: Thanks for your post. I felt a bit uncomfortable with my earlier post because I know you have contributed to this board and I appreciate it. I think everyone (well, maybe there are exceptions) is beginning to operate with a hair trigger here. Unfortunately, many of the issues raised in this thread are not amenable to anonymous discussions (i.e. with anonymous handles) and likely will not be resolved productively here. Perhaps its about time for us to all move on.

Laguy,

"Perhaps it's about time for us all to move on."

Wise counsel. This thread reached the point of diminishing returns long ago. Both in terms of the quality of the content and the level of the discourse it has come to resemble a circle jerk.

Those who wish to keep wanking are welcome to continue, but I'm taking Laguy's advice and moving on.

BD

Off the subject, but since this loser thread is still going and I started it, I will chime in. I have had my own little experience this trip with some pathetic fucker apparently telling a girl something I put in my last report. The only way she could have known was if someone read it in my report and told her. Of course, I'm Aldaron and you can do me no harm, but the lesson was learned. For that reason, it will be gone soon.

Second, for those of you that don't think I can have an opinion just because I only have two trips, you can lick my balls. I wouldn't be bragging about how many places and how many times I had been if I were you. That just tells me that your life has been fucked up for a long time. Loser.....

To my friends on here... OI!

Sandman... get your ass down here... I need help with you know who.

To everyone else.... Up Yours! losers....

Aldaron, you just made my point about Don and his so called Guide Business (it should be called going back telling girls and showing pictures and showing girls report business) lol.

Don have a long known habit of (going back telling girls and showing girls reports and pictures that guys have reported or post on this website this is his behavior) just ask any girls who tell them about your reports and don't be SHOCK when you find out it's was your local cigar smoking DRUNK OFF HIS ASS P.I.M.P.

This is my point guys you all know me and Aldaron have got into flame wars in the past so he has know reason to lie about what happen to him on this trip to Rio.

Don have a habit of going back telling EVERYTHING you have paid him or TOLD him and he WILL keep on telling everything to the girls (you have been warned of his behavior !!!) now its up to you.

Have a great day guys


KidCisco

I have to interject here...

There is ABSOLUTELY NO long known habit of Don showing reports and pictures to anyone unauthorized.

There is also NO KNOWN PATTERN of Don telling everyone confidential information.

I know of ONE CLAIM of Don revealing confidential information about a client to a garota. I do not know if this is true or not since I've just heard one side of the story. However, in asking people that go to Brazil about Don, the consensus appears to be that no one else has ANY additional examples of Don's supposed trangressions.

Some of the unsubstaniated allegations here are getting ridiculous. I am considering closing this topic and adding an additional clause in our TOS regarding accusing others of things with no facts to back it up. If you want to debate whether to use guides or not, go ahead, but I suggest laying off accusations.

Hombre - Very well said and Thank You - Let's move on guys. Thanks Hemp

Aldaron,I am not flaming you, but I would like to ask you 2 questions. What could the asshole have said that made the girl know it was you? If a monger reports that "She came over to my place, we fucked, went to eat, fucked some more and then went to sleep". She must have done these same things with hundreds of guys, how could she have pinpointed that it was you?

Second, what did you report that was so different from what she does everyday? What could she have gotten upset about?

I am just trying to understand what the big deal is. If a girl stepped to me and said "I can't believe that you told people that we went out to dinner, had sex and then slept together". My response would be "AND?"

Athos, I wasn't jumping on Clifton for posting his experience or the experiences of his friend. But my attitude is, if your going to put someone down, come with all the facts, don't beat around the bush.

This board helps to support these guy's livelihood, they deserve to be able to defend themselves. 3 times GCL came on the board and said "If anyone has any knowledge where I took advantage and ripped someone off, speak up and I will rectify it". That takes balls!

Don't get me wrong, I don't know Don or GCl from a hole in the wall, but I wouldn't want someone trashing me if they couldn't back it up with some cold hard facts. I am sure you would feel the same way if they were talking about you!

I will be in Rio at the end of Sept, I will be staying for 2 months. I will ask the girls myself about these guys and see what their reputation is. I have nothing to lose or gain by posting the truth, I have never used their services and probably never will, so my posts won't be tainted. If I hear that they are assholes or that they are great guys, you will hear it straight from me.

LaGuy-No prob buddy. You were right. It had the opposite effect of it's intended purpose.

Aldaron, I am on my way tomorrow night buddy. Keep em warm.

Nice post Hombre. Well said.

CYA guys

Thumper, no harm, and we are cool. I was a little upset last night when I logged on to see this bullshit still going on. I like to joke around, and that is what this website is supposed to be about, not personal attacks and heresay.

Regarding what was said to me, I donīt want to repeat it but it was a piece of information that I was instructed not to tell anyone about. It had nothing to do with who was fucking who. I cannot think of any other way that she could have known this other than someone emailing her or going down there and telling her. It is not anywhere near the level of someone telling a girl that they posted pictures of her on the internet or anything, but it is something that made me stop and think about what I put on here in the future, even though I canīt say for sure it was done by someone on here. No big deal.... I handled it. Somebody could tell this girl I was queer and she would still like me.

Iīve had a little terma drama down here but I am having a blast again. It is absolutely beautiful today... the best day by far since my return. Peace everyone.

Hombre, please close this thread. It serves no purpose any longer.

Ok guys, me and mine crew just got word that we will be headed down to Fla. (Miami) to start to rehearse for a video shoot.

Then we will be going to Rio to film the video/movie, I hear some of you guys will be in Rio this month so be on the look out for a large group of guys some of you might know some of the guys in my party some of the guys played football in the NFL, now they are on my payroll working for me.

I will have some of my ex Navy Seals team members working with me on this detail also as security for these rappers and their friends, along with local off duty cops.

Hopefully I will have some free time to check out a few termas,Club help, maybe Barbarella's and a few other places.

I hope to run into a few cool guys on here like (Sbronx77, and others).

Sandman, I do think that our path have cross before and maybe we can share a beer together I think your heart is in the right place (you are one of the few guys that didn't past judgement on me).

Just look for some really BIG, HUGE,tall guys I will be the short one in the group I am ONLY 6'4 235lbs put I will be in charge, I might have on a Micheal Vick No.7 jersey at times.

Thanks, Hombre for allowing this thread to play it self out I know everybody don't agree with me and I am GLAD they don't this is what a open debate should be about people sharing different views on subject.

Its funny how I can be called names but when I RETURN the farvor then I am attacking someone,lol thats cool I want even go into that now I have $$$$ and a trip to make.

After the shoot I will be doing what I BEEN DOING IN RIO for the past few decades that is walking around alone by myself 24/7, I like to be alone in Rio I seem to have a better time, but maybe this time I we join a few guys on here for dinner or a drink.


Take care guys,

KidCisco

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Thanks, Hombre for allowing this thread to play it self out I know everybody don't agree with me and I am GLAD they don't this is what a open debate should be about people sharing different views on subject.

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Its funny how I can be called names but when I RETURN the farvor then I am attacking someone,lol thats cool I want even go into that now I have $$$$ and a trip to make.

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Right on, Hombre!

Well KC, my momma didn't raise no fool but then again, you n me got some history.....

Look forward to that beer and a chat

Sandman

Oh and P.S. You are 6'4 1/2. Would you please quit forgetting that?

KC, I hope you have a great trip with your crew. One little piece of advice (I'm sure you thought about it already, but just in case you haven't) You should have a talk with all the "homeboys" "Boys in the posse" etc... and make sure that they understand that the girls in Help are "working".

It not a big deal if the rapper is famous enough, but his partners who roll with him might assume that they don't have to pay anything to the girls and just think of them as groupies. I know 2 girls from Help who fucked Snoop Dog when he was in Rio to make the Beautifull video. They got into a big arguement with him the next morning when they found out that he wasn't going to pay them anything. He had to end up having them thrown out of his place.

I had to have a little conversation about 2 years ago with one rapper who was down there on vacation (Memphis Bleek from the Rocefella camp) He was pissed because he couldn't understand why the girls wanted to charge him money when he was the "Famous Memphis Bleek". I had to explain to him that he might be a big dog in Brooklyn, but that in Brasil, he is just another tourist.

"but his partners who roll with him might assume that they don't have to pay anything to the girls"

I always assume that

And the 2 girls who thought they would be paid with Snoop dog ? Thinking doesnt get them paid. They should have negotiated before hand.

Snoop was NOT IN the wrong if they didnt negotiate beforehand.

One day i hope to make a twip to Brasil and meet most of you guys.

Thumper are you down there a lot ?

KC I definetely want to meet !

Curious if you guys that live there or go down frequently hit the discos and try to pick up real chicas ? Thats my game here in TJ and I very rarely see anything posted about in the Brasil section.

take care guys
Milky

He,he the girls were probably thinking BIG bucks, considering the cash these guys carry.

Funny thing is that ALOT of guys who go to Help for the first time, don't realise the girls are prostitutes. They just think the girls are paying them so much attention because they are looking good that night!HAHAHAHAHA!

I had a huge debate with Lebara one night over this very topic. She was pissed because she went to the hotel of an american and the guy didn't realise she was working, he didn't want to pay her in the morning. I tried to explain to her, that in America guys go out to clubs every weekend and try to get some ass, so he probably thought he just had a lucky night in brasil.

Its because of this, that I think KC should warn the guys who are going to Rio. They will assume that the girls are giving them some ass because they are part of the famous guy's posse.

Hehehe, reminds me of the taking some gringo buddies to the Terraco for the first time. They had NO clue until the "nice" girls they were chatting with started grabbing their dicks thru their shorts under the table... talk about culture shock!

;-)

BS

I have to come clean on this topic. My very first trip to Rio, I went thru this same exact thing. This was way before ClubHombre, or TSM. My buddies and I went to Rio for Carnival, we knew absolutely nothing about Help, MP, termas, nothing. We were just walking up and down Atlantico ave in the early afternoon when we saw Help, we immediately decided to go to this "club" on our first night.

Now at the time I was in my late twenties, in great shape and pretty good looking, I say this because I was used to picking up women in NYC, so I didn't find it odd that girls were checking me out in Rio too. Our first night in Help we were amazed at the number of people, the music and the girls. I didn't get propositioned or take anyone home , just hungout, danced and bought a few drinks. My second night in Help is when a girl explained to me that all the ladies in Help were on the programma. I was shocked because I thought it was just a regular club that brasilian women went to, in order to meet tourists:-)

GROUP HUG TIME

DJ: Just as everything was about to cool off, why did you have to ruin it by putting that hideous icon at the end of your message? That really pisses me off, so much so that I am getting ready to start a new thread so I can work off all my anger. I'm thinking of calling it "Why Use a Brazil Tour Guide."

(Message edited by laguy on September 06, 2003)

DJ, would that group hug include being drenched in shaving cream?

Group French kiss time

Wow. I can't believe this thread is still going. Now I know why I rarely post anymore. I only read a few guy's posts above. One was Badseed's post. Listen to him. Trust very few. Just because you have been emailing with them for months doesn't give you any reason to trust them. There are a lot of sick guys out there. I'm not motivated to meet new guys anymore. Hopefully new guys don't get offended when I don't make an effort to hang out with them. And all of you that already know me please don't go around telling other new guys what my handle is. I'm content to spend time with those guys I know and trust.

I just spent the past 10 days in Rio and had a great time. I rarely logged in and had a great time hanging out with my amigos Kick Stand and Seaman. Guys, let this subject just drop. It doesn't do anyone any good to keep harping on this subject. The only thing I wanted to post is that no one is better than anyone else. People need to stop being so judgemental. Odds are if you're on this site you are paying girls to sleep with you. For one reason or another, you're lonely, you find it exciting, no one else will sleep with you, etc. I never have called a girl that does this a "whore" and I'd never treat her like one. People need to get off their high horses and stop judging one another.

As far as I'm concerned we should all be thanking God these girls are out there. Some of us have struck good friendships with girls, some have found love, others are just having fun. Remember I'd met several of you guys and were it not for these girls you wouldn't be getting laid..ha, ha. (just kidding). Seriously though. Just enjoy life and have fun. Be concerened with your own actions and less concerned with what others do. I said it before and I'll say it again. At the end of the day if you aren't hurting yourself or aren't hurting others you can feel good about yourself.

Have fun.

Catocony, for the last week everytime I use shaving cream to shave the smell etc. gives me the chills

Milky is confused again...

Good words Godfather...I hate that you stole me good runnin buddy back away from me...I will miss seaman on my next trip...he is hoot to run with...

Hey Layne,

Yeah....I heard your name mentioned a few times. Seaman always has good things to say about you. Is that good or bad? One night there was some blonde with big hoots and I heard she was one of your "girls". Seaman was chatting with her about you. I'm not sure if she remembered you or not but it was funny watching the whole thing transpire. Seaman is a hoot to hang with. Hope we can hook up one day. From what I hear you're a good guy.