Time to call in the U.S. Air Force B-52s and blow these fucking Islamic shitheads to hell. Women, childern, old men, the whole lot. The dumbest, biggest bombs we've got.

Then 10 MT on Bagdad and an invasion of Saudi Arabia.

And to think the geniuses in DC are worried about scuba diving schools. jeez

I'm pissed off.

Read below

MEGIDDO JUNCTION, Israel (AP) -- In a gesture of love snatched amid unspeakable horror, a man and woman embraced in their final moments trapped in a burning bus, victims of the latest suicide bombing that claimed at least 17 lives.

The crowded bus flipped twice and exploded into a massive fireball Wednesday after an Islamic militant blew himself up in a car packed with explosives alongside the vehicle. Some passengers were hurled onto the asphalt, while others died trapped in the burning bus.

At least 17 passengers were killed and dozens wounded in the suicide attack timed to mark the 35th anniversary of the 1967 Six Day War, according to an Islamic Jihad leader in Damascus, Syria.

Boy, the world sure is full of Islamic trouble spots these days. Yeah, Ireland and India, clearly a bunch of Islamic idiots ... ;)

Uh, Book Guy.......

Pakistan IS an Islamic country. And, if you are paying ANY attention to what's going on over there, the fight is over a section of land between mostly ISLAMIC Pakistan and mostly Hindu India.

But this is the ONLY point that Ldvee states that makes ANY sense at all.

I just love guys, and gals, who want to 'nuke the bastards' without the slightest understanding of the LONG history of conflict in the Middle East. We are talking THOUSANDS of years of conflict, death and destruction. And, all sides can be assailed for starting the conflict at one point of history or another. (Christian, Jew, and Muslim)

The reality is that there is damn little chance that peace will ever come to this region of the world for any length of time. We might get a few years rest between flair ups, but the distrust and hatred run too deep and have festered for too long.

IMHO the best we can hope for is for the most capable diplomatic forces in the region to have the strongest hand to quell the current violence, and bring a short-term peace. A military solution will end with THOUSANDS dead, on all sides, and destruction of places that are deemed holy to MILLIONS of people around the world.


StrikeEagle

All right book guy, you're right

AND so was Karl Marx, fucking religion.

The Buddists seem reasonable - they take a bath in gasoline and flick their bic when they're mad.

StrikeEagle,

I'm an intelligent guy, I know history, and I still say enough is enough. Time to start killing and the PLO and Hammas get slaughtered first, Sadam and his crew second.

"IMHO the best we can hope for is for the most capable diplomatic forces in the region to have the strongest hand to quell the current violence"

Yeah right, You sure you're not dreaming eagle?

OK OK I've calmed down.

A pound of dead cow and a few Coors is just what the doctor ordered.

As long as the masses consume the putrified carcasses of needlessly slaughtered innocent animals there will never be peace. You are what you eat... IMHO...

Moooo, snort, snort

Hey it wasn't putified when I ate it (last night). It is now tho after a night at 98.6.

Burrrp.

It's good to be an omnivore. Think I'll have some chicken embryos, cow salivary glands (Chorizo) and re-fried beans, heavy on the lard, for breakfast. yum yum

Am I the only one who is ROOTING for nuclear war to erupt in Pakistan??? My fridge is stocked with Sam Adams, and I solembly pledge to pound one for every nuclear warhead detonated. Now that human population has topped 6,000,000,000, trying to prevent violence and warfare is terribly wrongheaded.

Just so the fallout zone doesn't cover Korea and Japan until after June 30 ...

Ldvee,

To each his own. These are not my word but those of Ghandi someone I resect somewhat.

Kendricks,

I find myself having similar feelings as you've said. The main point of contention is that I has chosen Sierra Nevada as my anasthesia.

Ldvee,

and oh yeah flesh starts to decompose as soon s blood stops flowing. Do the math...

let them drink Sierra Nevada...

Kendricks,

In the past, I've always wondered about you.

I no longer wonder.


StrikeEagle

SE,

It's called enlightenment....

Dazed, Sierra Nevada is a fine choice for use in celebrating an armageddon. I wouldn't really consider this to be a point of contention, just a personal preference. I usually drink Sierra Nevada socially, and Sam Adams to celebrate death (a tradition started with the well-deserved demise of that cunt Princess Diana). I certainly can understand and relate to your point of view on this topic, though.

Dazed, I started reading a book last night that reminded me of you. Have you ever read "Siddhartha"?

K,

Just joking about point of contention. You know me allways the wiseass.

Ah yes "Siddhartha". Read it as a freshman in high school. It blew my mind. Actually was dramatic catalyst for the quest for knowledge I'm still on. It had a profound effect on my life.

Two movies were made The first I think was called The River (or Siddhartha) with Peter O'toole. A more recent version was made with Keanu Reeves that was pretty good but I like the original better.

Now I want to find the original. I'll let you know.

Check the libraries or block buster.

Often Dazed & Confused, rarely Innocent hoping for Clarity...

Ah yes, Herr Hesse

Kamala was her name.

Nuke a whale, whack a seal.

Eat flesh.

If armageddon comes, I'm DEFINITELY gonna stop using a condom.

A very reliable source tells me that armageddon will be July 4th, have fun ......

Ldvee,

I do eat flesh according to strict parameters. It must be pink, smell sweet and be still moving...

Sounds like that salmon i had for dinner tonite.....cept for the still moving part.Thats tommorrow nights dinner.
Taxibob

Tommorrow nights dinner sounds good. Hope it doesn't smell fishy...LOL

Dazed,

About July 4th, I agree with your source, a very tempting day to the "Islamic" extremists. Let's hope it passes without incident. I'll be watching from afar, in Cancun with my favorite TJ pro.

I quote "Islamic" because I believe Muslims true to their faith abhor violence.

I also believe that one more murder of a US or Israeli citizen by these assholes should result in the bombing and/or invasion of Gaza strip, the West Bank, and the Kashmir valley. And if it's true that Sadam Hussein is bankrolling these creeps, well he needs to go too.

BTW, Adolph H. was a vegetarian.

I admire Ghandi, but passive resistance only works when you're dealing with an intelligent foe, such as he was with the Brits. Unfortunately, his tactics won't work with a bunch of deranged murderers.

Let there be war!

Aren't the Gaza strip and West Bank already invaded? Isn't that part of the problem? I guess passive resistance wouldn't work against the Israelis either then.

Of course passive resistance won't work against the Israelis - passive resistance only works against intelligent goes. The only thing Israelis understand is the medicine that the Palestinians have been dishing out to them.

"intelligent goes"? Yeah, I know, me bad.

If you look at your keyboard, "f" and "g" are right next to each other. The Fat Finger syndrome strikes again...

Ldvee,

Yes I know quite a bit about Adolf. Vegetarianism
has is a personal choice I made and one of the few things I've stuck to since 1974. There is an interesting book Called "Diet For A New America" by John Robbins, heir to the Baskins Robbins dynasty. I beleive most libraries have the book and video these days.

When you see the true impact, environmentaly and economically, of the slauterhouse industry you will be surprised. Especially when you learnthat you can actually be quite big and strong as a vegetarian.

I'm not a pacifist. I'm all for killing when it's absolutely nescessary,ie. defending a child or any other person that cannot protect themselves.

I can't help feeling that we should just wipe out the entire muslim nation and just have the isolated cells to deal with. I know it's not practical and so many innocent people would die.

It's frustrating thought to know we are now looking forward to centuries of terror attacks on the US from an enemy that slips through your fingers like mercury.

I guess I never really got over the (completely avoidable) asskicking we got in Vietnam or the reception/(spit in the face)lack of reception we got when we came back to the states.

It's out of frustration and anger I say nuke every last one of those rag head mother fuckers NOW.

When you see the true impact, environmentaly and economically, of the slauterhouse industry you will be surprised. Especially when you learnthat you can actually be quite big and strong as a vegetarian.""


I just have to take issue with this brainwashed garbage.

Sir,
YOU are impacting the world by eating farm products.

Have you ever seen a farm? The ground (habitat) (wetlands ect...) is destroyed.

When you plant stuff you've got to kill animals, birds, earthworms ect...

When you harvest the food YOU eat You kill animals.

When you ship the food, YOU kill animals.

When YOU buy the food YOU are participating in the killing of animals.

You can not escape it.

YOU are participating in killing animals by eating farm products.

It's a dishonest primus that YOU are not killing animals. Do you drive? wear leather? If so you are impacting the animal world.

GET OVER IT!

Now the good news. Animals are NOT people. They are made to be used by us for food. The do NOT have feelings, emotion or guilt. They are stupid animals.

You can let go of all this animal rights crap. It won't wash. It's a bunch of mamby pamby, whine about a bunch of non important bull shit.

So my advise to you is to be a man. Live like a man and take your place at the TOP of the fucking food chain.

Go Deer hunting, bow hunting or pussy hunting. But for God sakes. EAT meat!!!

Stop fucking worring about stupid bull shit.

Hell, my eight year old daughter knows this bullshit is hypocritical.


You too can change,

it's easy... it starts with a cheeseburger, dripping with cheese, onion pickle.................


Grandcolombia.

And yes I'm a Meat eating, pussy hunting, deer killing, Spanish speaking, Veteran
(3rd Armor Divison), all American farm boy.

And mother fucking proud of it.

Dazed,

The best argument for vegetarianism is that it's a low fat, low cholesteral diet. I think vegans carry things way too far, but a vegetarian diet is healthier, especially if you cheat a bit and throw in a small amount of high omega 3 fish such as salmon. Congratulations on your 28 year diet. I'm sure you're healthier than I am, but then again, that's not saying much. (Where are my cigarettes anyway?)

I have some sympathy for the Palestians but I'd I have a lot more if they would take it upon themselves to round up the murderers. al-Qaeda and such organizations simply need to be eliminated. I think the Cuban "detention center" and military tribunals is a pretty slick idea.

Good thing I don't have my finger on the button, because I'd use it.

For those of you interested in nuclear weapons, here's an interesting website. I've copied the whole site to my computer just in case they decide to shut it down.

Everything you wanted to know about nukes but were afraid to ask:

http://gawain.membrane.com/hew/

For book readers, Richard Rhodes' "Dark Sun" and "The Making of the Atomic Bomb" are good books. "Dark Sun" is about fusion bombs. "Critical Assembly" Cambridge Press is a detailed history of Los Alamos and the Manhatten Project. I'm reading it now for a second time.

Grandcolumbia,

"Animals are NOT people. They are made to be used by us for food. The do NOT have feelings, emotion or guilt. They are stupid animals."

Guess you never owned a dog. My 4 legged best friend just died a couple of weeks ago. 15 years.

People are animals, and some inherit the trait you're talking about.

Ldvee,

Sorry to hear about your dog. But your dog was just a dog. Not a human. And if your dog was hungry/starving it would eat you and wag it tail at it's next master.

That's life dude.

Quick note about nukes. Potassium Iodide can be taken to lessen the effects of radiation on the Thyroid Gland. The government is now making it available for free in states where nuclear reactors are located. Like... California. With the rumors of a big deal attack over the 4th of July and the proximity of nuclear powered carriers in our bay and that little ole San Onofre power plant up the coast it may be worth looking into. Of course a vacation in Ensenada or points south might be a good plan as well.
Hmm......

Grandcolombia,

You missed the point, dogs and many other animals have emotions, feelings, and feel guilt when they do something they know they are not supposed to.

My dog learned to do things, learned not to do things, felt happy, sad, and got angry.

So my point is to lump animals into two categories, human and all others, and to say all others are not cognizant of their surroundings and their own life is just not true.

And if your daughter was hungry/starving and I offered her food and you didn't, she'd come with me. Or do you think she would rather starve to death?

THAT'S life, DUDE.

You missed the point, dogs and many other animals have emotions, feelings, and feel guilt when they do something they know they are not supposed to"

Ahhhh..Sounds all warm and fuzzy.

But there is ZERO to back up this claim.


However it is based in emotion and not fact.
Your dog does NOT feel emotion.


And if your daughter was hungry/starving and I offered her food and you didn't, she'd come with me. Or do you think she would rather starve to death? """


Not true. People can make judgement calls.

Your dog was just a dumb animal.

Now I love my dog too. But it ain't no human. And that's a good thing.

That the truth dude.

My dog learned to do things, learned not to do things, felt happy, sad, and got angry."""

LOL............Dude

Hey can I get some of that shit you be smoking?

LOL....

Grandcolumbia,

I do drive and wear leather and have full leather interior in my car as well as some leather furniture.

I have also done my fair share of hunting as a kid and have spent my time in combat.

However the idea is to minimize the activities. Not stuffing partially rotted carcases down my throat is the way I do it.

You are absolutely correct there is no way to escape this senario comepletely.

No offense but to say that my position is just brainwashed garbage is just plain ignorant IMHO.

The research is extensive to corroberate the deletorious effects of the slaughter house industry on the planet.

Even the completely corrupt FDA has inverted the traditional food pyramid and places flesh intake on the bottom instead of the top position where it used to be. Why I not sure. And it has changed peoples dietary habits much.

One other thing that I must admit was entertaining
was you're alleging I might have a mamby pamby attitude. Thanks for the laugh I needed it. I won't say anything else except let's meet and have a beer sometime. Mabey in person I could change the way you see things.

For now I'll just stick to eating pussy. Please feel free to eat my share of cheese burgers ASAP
and in as great a quantity as you can possibly digest. I think the more meat you can get in your body the sooner we would all see the resulting benefit.

Especially your very bright eight year old daughter that you mentioned. Eat more meat now.
Eat more meat in mass quantities. In fact in your case it's probably a good idea to feed your offspring alot more meat right away.

I'ts very good for you. LOL

You need to stick to Decafe. You sure are quick to anger. What's up with that?

Anyway
Listen up, if you want to eat tofu and nuts....... do it.

If you want to think that the whole fucking world is wrong and YOU and YOUR tofu buddies are right then this is AMERICA right?

So you can think whatever you want!

However you Sir are a hypocrite. A self admitted hypocrite. Only a matter of degrees.

If you really cared about the world then you would kill yourself so as save the valuable resources that you would otherwise be used to support your worthless life.

At least you have not entered into the gene pool. Good move on your part.

Have a nice day!

I don't wan't to waste time on a flame war with you. When I posted I was far from angry.

There are other things I want to say but it would be an obvious waste of time and cyber space.

The offer for a beer stands...

One other thing that I must admit was entertaining was you're alleging I might have a mamby pamby attitude. Thanks for the laugh I needed it. I won't say anything else except let's meet and have a beer sometime. Mabey in person I could change the way you see things."""

My friend,

Really? What's this mean?

Anyway, Peace dude.

I"ll buy you the beer. But remember many fuzzy little critters were killed to grow the hops to brew that beer. If you loved animals then you would never drink beer. (SMILE)

So the dirty bomb guy is an American citizen who recently received training in Pakistan after he converted to Islam in a US prison. Hmmm.

Call out the B-52s, Kashmir. Naw, maybe we should wait and give the diplomats a chance, sure. Or maybe we should wait for the Hindis (plural for Hindu??) and Muslems to throw nukes at each other. Or of course, we should trust our new Homeland Security department to find all these guys.

Kill the fuckers.

Ldvee,

As sacred as life is to me I'm afraid I have to agree with you.

My two cents on the vegetarian debate.

I used to hunt as a kid, but its been twenty years since I killed a bambi. I would rather look at them than kill them.

But, I love animals. They are delicious. And why shouldn't we eat animals? Hell they eat us every chance they get. But the beauty of this country is that we can do whatever the hell we want. I respect those who want to be vegans. I think that is pretty cool. My three sisters are pretty hard core vegetarians, and we get along fine as long as they don't give me any shit for eating dead animals and as long as they don't get between me and my cheeseburger LOL. Its the vegans that think every one else should be a vegan that piss me off.

My two cents on Pakistan and India. As shitty a thing as it is, and as terrible as it sounds a small nuclear exchange that vaporizes a few million, may be the only way to make the rest of the world get god awful serious about preventing nuclear proliferation and about the seriuos threat to the US that these rogue states present.

Its been nearly 60 years since a city was turned Day glo green and our historical memory seems to be real short. If there has to be a refresher course on the horrors of nuclear war, let it be upon a group of people who hate our guts( most muslims)and not on us.

And Jesus Kendriks you make me laugh. Atom boms as tools of population control You are one scary dude. LOL

By Kendricks on Friday, June 07, 2002 - 02:13 pm:


Of course passive resistance won't work against the Israelis - passive resistance only works against intelligent goes. The only thing Israelis understand is the medicine that the Palestinians have been dishing out to them.

KENDRICKS--PASSIVE RESISTANCE HAS NEVER EVEN BEEN TRIED AGAINST THE ISRAELIS. THE PALESTINIANS ARE TOO STUPID TO THINK OF SOMETHING LIKE THAT. AND IT DOESN'T MATTER IF IT WORKS ON ISRAELIS OR NOT, IT WILL WORK ON US AND WE CONTROL THEIR PURSE STRINGS.

"WE CONTROL THEIR PURSE STRINGS."

Who is we? And that's the real problem in this middle east mess and why we suffered 9/11 and why we will continue to pay for the actions of a few. Why are we drumming the war beat for Sadam when he doesn't really threaten us at all? But he does threated the "we" in your sentence above so the rest of us are being drugged in to pay, to die, and to do all the dirty work for "we".

Even noticed something about every TV program that discusses the middle east and ask socalled experts for their opinion? The most rabid arab haters and the strongest pro Isrealis are always without exception Jews. Except no one is allowed to say this.

Even wondered why so many senators and congressmen vote lockstep in aid and support to Isreal? Look where their campaign donations are coming from. Ever wonder why the Wall Street Journal and the New York Times are such fanatics over the Palestinian "problem"? Take a look at the names on the editorial board. Or better yet, watch the weekly program on Friday afternoon on CNBC that discusses world events with members of the WSJ editorial board. Watch Rabinowitz. She never smiles except when talking about when Palestinian "terrorists" are killed. Bet you Adolf Hilter in somewhere in her family tree.

Guess what the owner/publisher of US News&Report also does. He's the head of a very powerful pro Isreali jewish group back east that funnels vast sums of money to politicans. Time Magazine? The slant is determined by the large number of well known "spokespersons for the jewish community" who also maintain property in Isreal.

We donate billions to Isreal some of which is used to murder selfish Palistinians who won't share their worthless land and homes and businesses with friendly nearby jews who want to give them such a great deal. "Give us your land and you can stay in this nice desolate area in the boonies for free. We will spare you the hassles with utilities by marketing them to you. And you don't have to worry about building lots of schools for higher education because we only want minimal skills for the sub wage jobs that we need you for. And after work you can buy what you need in our stores for a great price. "

And the money that isn't spent on state sponsered terror or proping up the fradulent Isreali economic? Well, it makes its way back to this country via the many groups of American jews who also have Isreali citizenship and run a steady conduit of money laundering back and forth. It arrives in the US and promply is used to buy more politicians off. Along with the major media outlets.

Round and round it goes with the blood of innocent people splattered on the dirty money. And no one in this country is going to come out and put it all together for massive public inspection because they would be signing their career death warrant.

I see where Powell made the comment that there must be a Palestinian state. Duh. Of course, Bush had to immediate back off because you know who phoned him to scream bloody murder.

You know, it's funny but sad. Outside of the US the real situation in this part of the world is fairly well reported. There are reasons that the US is often the ONLY member of the UN to protest the continual demand for sanctions and condemnations against Isreal for their terrible record of nonstop human rights violations. Of course, it's pretty hard to find this kind of news because it tends to get buried.

I have no real use for the excessive ammounts of Jewish money corrupting our politics, but, at this time, the palestinians are their own worse enemies. They never miss a chance to miss a chance (I plagiarized that quote from someone.) I also fail to understand the hysteria over palestine. AT MOST the Israelis have killed a couple thousand of them over the last year or two, many of whom were innocent, many more of whom were terrorists. In 1994 Hutus killed over 500,000 Tutsis in Rwanda, and no one cared. China murders Tibetans on a daily basis and no one cares. Saddam Hussein probably kills more Shias in a good week than Israel kills palestinians in a year and no one cares. My question is why?

Because people don't come over to the US crashing airliners into buildings because of Tutsis, Tibetans and Shias. Frankly, the average US Joe wouldn't give a shit about the Palestinian issue either if it didn't foment (or at least provide an excuse for) so much other trouble in the world.

As for the post on passive resistance - I've thought for years the only intelligent thing the Palestinians could do would be to adopt such a technique. The nightly news would sure look a lot different if you were watching those "mean old Israelis" beating up on those "poor, non-violent Palestinians". Not only would such a technique win the hearts and minds of the world, but eventually of the Israelis themselves. Sadly, it appears the Palestinian militias are too blinded by hate to see that they are their own worst enemy.

So if the Tutsi's start blowing up buildings, we should listen to their legitimate demands? That's real fucking intelligent.

TF,

Very well stated and accurate IMHO and wrapped up neatly in a small package.

How about that fucker who shot people in LAX yesterday? News reports say thathe got into an argument with his neighbor last year because his neighbor was flying the US and USMC flags after 9-11. He also had a bumper sticker that said "Read The Quran".

These are the people the feds should be running down, instead of hassling hard working mexican immigrants and people who cross the border with two liters of liquor.

>>>he got into an argument with his neighbor last year because his neighbor was flying the US and USMC flags after 9-11

The account I read said he complained to the apartment management about it. If his neighbor was ex-USMC and he'd said something to *him* right after 9-11, he probably would have gotten his head ripped off. And at the time I'd have been happy to help.

Phoenixguy, your account is probably more accurate. What I stated was just a blurb I heard on the radio this morning.

When I was in Desert Shield/Storm, we were prohibited from flying the American Flag outside our tents, due to our government kissing the Saudis' asses. If these bastards think they can come to OUR country and complain about us flying the US and USMC flags HERE, they deserve to be ripped to shreds.

Wait for the liberals to start suing the flag industry for causing this violence. Maybe we should have waiting periods for flags?

Going against my best buddhist ideals I say "all rag heads must die".

I was expecting to see conservatives lobbying for legislation mandating warning labels on flags, as they have lobbied in the past for warnings on movies and music.

Tipper Gore and the rest of the bored housewives in the PMRC are conservative? Did past drug use addle your mind?

On the issue of censorship they are conservative. Just like "Dr." Laura and the conservative hags who want to censor the Internet, and that Falwell asshole's attempt to censor magizines.

Or are you going to tell me that Falwell is a liberal, and Larry Flynt is a conservative???

So Tipper is a conservative. What does that make Bush, who has never mentioned lyrics in his life? Are Bush, Newt Gingrich, Gov Johnson of New Mexico, Dick Armey, and a bunch of other Republicans secret liberals? Or is Gore, Loserman(er lieberman) and the rest of the Democratic crew secret conservatives?

I am a "conservative.

I detest, I am replused by Dr Laura. She is vendictive and egocentric.

Falwell is the biggest religious phony i have ever observed.

Flynt is honest and pulls no punches.

I am still a conservative.

Here's some nice info for you about the Religious Reich and censorship: http://serendipity.magnet.ch/cda/wallace.html

Here is some more on Bush and Censorship:

WHEN BUSH WON, PORN INDUSTRY LOST (http://www.allaboutsex.org/School_Filtering_Law.html)

WASHINGTON -- Anti-porn activist (and former presidential-candidate party girl) Donna Rice Hughes feels the adult industry is about to take a severe hit because of George W. Bush's choice to fill the Attorney General's position.
Hughes and her organization Enough is Enough have not been happy with the performance of the Clinton-Reno Justice Department, which she insists did nothing to fight "illegal porn," especially on the Internet. She believes that is about to change because John Ashcroft will enforce the laws that have been ignored for the past eight years.
"When George W. [Bush] won, the porn industry lost. They lost their best insurance to continue to thrive at the expense of innocent children," Hughes says.
"John Ashcroft is just the man for the job," she says. "I believe he is a man of integrity and conviction, as expressed by those who have worked with him during his years as [Missouri's] governor, attorney General, and senator." From an article by Bill Fancher, Agape Press, 1/23/01

Ben, my point is how foolish the dittoheads are when they start preaching how good "conservatives" are, and how evil "liberals" are.

The world is far too complex to push everyone into two camps. The only people who believe this type of Limbaugh-esque propaganda are those who need to have a leader tell them what and how to think.

Ben, many conservatives, and I guess certain liberals too, suffer from the problem that Kendricks mentions in the preceeding post. There are too many damn ideologues and power hungry assholes who want to force everyone into certain restrictive categories. You are either saved or going to hell, either with us or against us.

For the last 30 plus years the Left indoctrinated the country with social programs that never worked and attitudes that condemned basically everything that was American.

Now we are seeing a shift in the opposite direction. Suddenly it is unAmerican to question the activities of our socalled leaders. From spitting on the flag we are heading to the other extreme where you have to kneel and pray to a Christian flag. Racism is fashionable as long as the victim wears a turban and has a "dirty" color to his skin.

It would be really nice if we could stay in the center for a while.

Kendricks, you surpise me everyday. Maybe you are slowly turning into a democrat. (NOT)

I'm glad you seem to understand a point I've tried to make before. The Left has had some involvement in restrictions on speech, but it's the Right that truly has a chance of succeeding.

Anyone worried about the Left restricting free speech with John Ashcroft as attorney general and the Right's success at stacking courts with conservative judges must really be smoking some powerful weed (save me some). I'm sure the Religious Right will defend free speech, particularly when it comes to sex. (sarcasm)

What do you care about, Kendricks? If it's free speech (particularly about sex and violence) and the freedom to control your own body (drug use, abortion) then I really think you should re-evaluate your view that the Democratic and Republican parties are a single body.

Kendricks said "The world is far too complex to push everyone into two camps"
That's what I've said about other topics. This applies to politics and many other things you've simplified in past writings as well.

Tight_Fit said "It would be really nice if we could stay in the center for a while."
Wow. The Democratic Party has long been closer to the center than the Republican Party. One of the reasons include the powerful influence of the Religious Right. There's also the conservative advantage and success at raising money(corporations, the wealthy, powerful industries like oil/energy/tobacco, and church).

Dazed, I think that you think that you know too much to be a true believer in Eastern philosophy. That "all must die" comment also disqualifies you, you wannabe Buddhist! ;)

d'A,

Actually that was the use of hyperboli to enhance literary impact.

Of course I don't mean it but it just getting so damn frustrating to see these these assholes blasting away only to receive a life sentence of meditation to Mecca and special diet
to te tune of 65 G"s a year in our law enforcement growth system.

Just this morning on Intenet explorer's MSN News there was a discussion about how we are witnessing the end of the death penalty.

These days I think the only real justice has to "come out in the wash".

The republicans raise more corporate money? Please show statistics that prove that in California. The Republican candidate for governor is, fortuneatly, rich, because the corporations will not give to him for of offending Adolph Davis and his Democratic Lackeys.

D'Art, your comments are well received. Free speech (particularly about sex, violence, unpopular political ideologies and ideas, etc.) and the freedom to control your own body (drug use, abortion, porn, prostitution, etc.) are very high on my list.

Gun rights are also high on my list, which is one of the few areas where having Republicans in office at least does some good (even though their record is less than thrilling). Still, I am coming around to the idea that having a bunch of hardcore right wing judges appointed by republicans far offsets this one small benefit.

I basically agree with all of your criticisms of the Republicans, and may even be coming around to the viewpoint that the Democrats are, indeed, the lesser of the two evils. Plus, every time I hear the nonsensical "liberals are the source of all evil" rhetoric I swing a little further to the left...

If it wasn't for 9-11, we would probably be in a heap of shit right now with Ashcroft and Bush pushing the holy rollers' agendas. Ironically, the distraction caused by the WTC attack may be the only thing keeping keeping this country from falling prey to the iron fist of the far right's misguided sense of morality.

California GOP fundraising dirt from http://www.consumerwatchdog.org/utilities/nw/nw002409.php3:

SACRAMENTO: Republican legislative leaders solicited tens of thousands of dollars in campaign donations from Enron Corp. even as the state government was investigating the company and other producers suspected of price gouging and market manipulation during last year's energy crisis, according to internal Enron documents.

As state investigators probed Enron's business dealings, Sen. Jim Brulte and Assemblyman Dave Cox, the two GOP floor leaders, appealed to the company for contributions and were rewarded with checks, said the confidential company records obtained by The Times.


More on Republican fund raising from: http://past.thenation.com/e2k/recent/0410loewenberg.shtml:

One prominent DC lobbyist who has raised nearly $100,000 for Bush said that he and others regularly pass the credit for their own fundraising, or simply give cash directly, to powerful CEOs who are also raising money for Bush. "A lot of people give money to the corporate titans because the titan can help them, not because they care who the President is," says the lobbyist. "You match a real estate developer in California with a Pioneer who is a banker in New York, so they can get financing for their project in Nevada. If you help your friends get rich, you get rich."

Giving Ronald Reagan the credit for destroying communism is like giving Bin Laden the credit for destroying capitalism. The person who killed communism was Leonid Breznev, the person who is killing capitalism is George W. Bush.

I suppose the person who killed Nazism was Hitler, who needed those wimps like Churchill, Roosevelt and Truman, anyway.
Kendricks are you going to honestly say that the present Gray Davis administration is NOT corrupt? That motherfucker would sell his mother to a padrote for the right campaign donation.

Powerslave, of course the Gray Davis administration is corrupt. When did I suggest otherwise? The republicans are also corrupt (it's a coin toss as to who is more corrupt), but the pubs are also dominated by right wing religious loonies.

You don't really want to see John Ashcroft's public view of morality enforced on our lives, do you?

Ashcroft's views of morality have about as much chance of being forced on me as Richard Riordans views on abortion had of being forced on California. Yet you keep falling for the scare tactics. The religous wing of the republican party is one small part of a party which includes many pro gun rights people, many pro abortion people, and even people who would legalize drugs. Who is a bigger threat to your freedom, Sen. Diane Feinstein or Gov. Gary Johnson?