A little late for Tyson-Lewis... This OFF-TOPIC thread needed to be created. Personally, I can't stand Tyson and I'm hoping he'll go away ASAP. Send that malignancy back to prison or something.

It looks like Iron Mike Tyson is done... The only positive thing about this match is that Tyson went out like a humbled person.. He is just a shell of his dominating past... Tyson was a pretty good fighter from 1985-1990... after that, he never really was the same.. Oh well....

The only thing I liked better than seeing Tyson on his back bleeding was watching him BEG for a re-match. Just like the last Holyfield fight - hold him off for three rounds, then target practice.

I think Iron Mike was over-medicated! Don't be surprised if after a month of two you see him screaming in some interview claiming he was in no condition to fight and that he demands another fight.

If this is the end for Mike then he will become the "Big-Name" test for rising stars in the heavy weight division. He may become another Joe Luis, fighting way past his prime to earn a buck here and a buck there.

Mike Tyson would have never beaten Lewis in his prime. There is a reason why Mike avoided a fight with Lewis while Lewis was champ...Lewis is too big and two skilled for Tyson. Tyson cannot come in for an attack with boxers that have the reach and skill of Lewis. Lewis now ranks higher in the history of heavyweights than both Tyson and Hollyfield. Remember, when Tyson was beating guys in his prime, he was knocking out below-average fighters. How many good fighters did Mike Tyson beat in his career? Try none.

Blazers, you aren't wrong about Tyson. But isn't it pretty much the same for Lewis? Lewis is skilled and Mike was a lethal early round assasin. Both stood well above their contemporaries. But I can't remember either of them having to face a really sharp heavyweight in his prime. Both have lost decisively to inferior fighters. That's the story of the heavyweight division since the days of Ali/Frazier..."Legit Contenders Wanted"!

Too bad events led to Tyson's government holiday just before he could make a fight with young upcoming Holyfield. That fight would have been revealing.

Even back in the day, Tyson was interesting only because he was a thug and a friggin' animal and full of rage, IMHO. I don't think he was particularly smart as a boxer. The most interesting bets these days have to with when and how he makes his permanent exit from life. I'm sometimes amazed he made it this far.

I agree Ali and Frazier were special (especially Ali), and we haven't seen anything quite like them since among heavyweights. Boxing has been in decline for years.

Any of y'all ever been to fight night in L.A.? Hilarious. Some real gansters and lotsa wannabes.

Tyson may not have beaten a great heavyweight, but he was still pretty damn good. He beat 49 guys in his career, virtually all of them decisively. He only lost to 3 ... two of whom will go down in the top 10 - 15 heavyweights of all time (Lennox and Holyfield).

Tyson fought what was there ... he did not duck anyone. He beat numerous heavyweight champions and ex-heavyweight champions. From 1986-1989, he totally cleaned up a fractured division, wiped out all the alphabet champions and then gave Larry Holmes the worst beating of his career (another top 10 all time heavyweight). Who else would you have him fight? The only notables not on his record are Riddick Bowe ... and maybe Michael Moorer. Both were essentially flash in the pan type fighters who burnt out almost as soon as they got there. Tyson was not available during their reigns, and they probably would never have even been there in the first place had Mike not been in jail.

Prime Tyson would most likely have beaten prime Lewis ... just remember back to Ray Mercer nearly beating Lennox years ago. Mercer was short, worked behind his jab, and hurt Lewis on numerous occasions. Many think Merciless Ray won the fight. In his prime, Tyson worked in behind his jab, and had far more speed and power than Mercer. Tyson of last night was nothing close to Tyson in his prime. Watch his fights on ESPN Classic sometime to see how great he was.

Fighters often go out like Mike went out last night ... Ali, Leonard, Hearns, Chavez, Whitaker, Nunn .... it's a rare thing when a boxer goes out like Rocky Marciano. Lennox has a chance if he retires, but he won't. He'll keep fighting.

Mike made a lot of mistakes in his life, and squandered an immense amount of natural ability, but he was once a pretty damn good fighter. Don't denigrate the fighter because you don't like the man.

-Superman-

I agree. It shouldn't take away from Tyson that there weren't any other great champions in their prime for him to mark his career with. However, not only won't he go out like Marciano, it is looking like he will finish his career more like Larry Holmes and Roberto Duran (hey - are they done YET?). He has as much as announced that to be his plan and I don't disrespect him for that. He wants to be a working fighter drawing a regular paycheck and is acknowledging that his greatness is behind him. The idea that a fighter has to retire in order to protect a legacy is something I can't entirely grasp...unless the guy is physically impaired and is taking on risks greater than are already inherent to this barbaric sport. Each new quasi-club fight doesn't erase one of the championship defenses. Fight purists won't want to see it...I don't want to see it, but it's a job.

My point is that Lewis is the best heavyweight fighter in the last 20 years. He beat Hollyfield twice and jacked Tyson. Tyson continually avoided fights with Lewis and so did Hollyfield because they knew it would interrupt future paydays for them. Lewis slipped and got beat by inferior opponents on two occassions but came back to beat up both of them in rematches. He may not be flashy, he may not be American but he is as skilled as it gets. He is not at the level of the great fighters of the 70's but who has been...nobody in the heavyweight division. Tyson has always had problems with tall, highly skilled fighters...Lewis DEFINATELY would have beaten Tyson in his prime. The scary thing is that Lewis has become a better fighter with age. It's not his fault that the heavyweight division is low on talent.

Erip, funny you should ask if Holmes is done yet ... he just announced today he is coming out of retirement "one more time" to fight Butterbean. Now that's a sideshow! Even after Holmes got crushed by Tyson, he still fought at high enough a level to take Holyfield the distance in a fight for the undisputed championship many years after that.

Blazers, Tyson in is prime would have given Lewis all he could handle. Again, Ray mercer had the same approximate height and stature as Tyson, and he knocked Lennox all over the ring. He got jobbed in a decision. Tyson was in better shape (i.e., not fat), had much more power, and much more speed than Mercer. Mike beat a lot of tall heavyweights, many very easily. Buster and Lennox got him, but Mike beat Tony Tucker, Bonecrusher Smith, Pinklon Thomas, etc. At 5'11", Tyson is a very short heavyweight. He looked up at most guys and managed to win 49 of 52. Win or lose, it would have been a much better fight than what we had the other night.

-Superman-

I'm no expert but I suspect that Larry Holmes in his prime and with his southpaw attack is the best we've seen since the glory days of Ali/Frazier/Foreman. He fought tons of tomato cans as all the champs have, but if my memory is sound, he defeated a large number of very tough, if not great fighters in their primes. Nobody wanted to fight him when he was up and coming. When he finally got his chance and took the title, he took on all comers. He was all finesse...really knew how to measure an opponent and go in for the kill when the time was right. My money would be on Holmes against Tyson or Lewis in their primes.

As for Tyson/Lewis with both in peak form, I think I'd lay an extremely modest wager on Mike. I offer that as the humblest of opinions.

I don't think Holmes ever beat anyone great either, to be honest. He beat what was in front of him. It's more a slam against the division than to the shortcomings of the fighters. All the more reason to check out some of the lighter weights. Morales/Barrera and Mosely/Forrest II in the next 2 months feature 4 of the 10 top pound for pound fighters in the world. The potential Hopkins - Roy Jones, Jr. features 2 more of the top 10 at the end of the year.

Prime Holmes would have definitely been favored against either Prime Lewis or Tyson ... Lennox on his absolute best day could have given him trouble and Tyson had the one punch KO power in either hand, so they both would have had a chance. Holmes did have a sweet jab though.

-Superman-

Vargas eats shit. There is a God.

Vargas was just a media creation. He can't take a punch ... 7 knockdowns in his last four fights, and was out on his feet twice against the much smaller De La Hoya (at the very end of the 10th, and at the end of the fight). His most notable victory was against a shot Ike Quartey, and he got a robbery decision against Winky Wright.

De La Hoya has beaten at least 10 guys who would whip Vargas.

Fernando is just one of those insecure losers who bashes & criticizes others in a desperate attempt to build self confidence so they can try and hang with the big boys ... in the end they are all just pussies.

-Superman-

I must say, I'm not a boxing afficianado. But after watching the last three or so Tyson fights, it was nice to see a real contest. De La Hoya has my respect - almost getting his ass kicked in the first round and coming back to win. I still think Vargas could have KO'd DLH if he had just persisted when he had him wobbling (many times). Great fight nonetheless.

I'm gonna go out on a limb here ... Vitaly Klitschko in four rounds. Full knock-out.

500 pounds plus in the arena! Geez, it's like that garota down the block from Nebraska Avenue in Tampa!

bad luck. ugly cut to VK in 3. misrepresentative of the fight

Well, so much for my prediction. But it looked like I might get it for a bit there ... woooo I love pugilist specialists.

"LIGHTS OUT" TONEY is an ASSHOLE.
James Toney is now, in my book, boxing's brand new dipshit for his behavior after knocking Holyfield out. He showed terrible sportmanship, and showed no respect to 4 Time Champion Evander and the public.
He is a complete disgrace to the already bruised sport of boxing.
I am just waiting for a re-match with Roy Jones Junior or even a match with Mike Tyson.
He deserves a whipping by someone for being so obnoxiuos and so full of shit.
He is no where near what Evander has done for the sport.
MA

James Toney has ALWAYS been that way, no matter who he's fighting. He's been criticized for his behavior/trash talking his whole career. It's somewhat respectable that he refuses to turn himself into the public's bitch. Bernard Hopkins is the same way. I find it much more refreshing than watching Golden Fag flash his smile and say all the right things before a fight, then turn into a whining crybaby afterwards.

As a matter of fact, I would say Evander is doing much more to hurt the sport of boxing than anything Toney has ever done. He's desperately hanging on and looking for old glory while getting the shit beat out of him by blown up (and fat) middleweights. That's pathetic. He's already slurring ... 10 years and he's another Ali. That's bad for boxing.

Jones > Toney

Toney > Tyson

-Superman-

Superman,
You don't turn into a public bitch by showing some manners and respect to the line of work that supports you and your family.
You cant possibly feel any respect for a guy like Toney that acts so silly and imature due to his lack of self-respect and obvious feelings of insecurity.
Maybe it was his upbringing? Was he abused as a kid? Is this the only way he can get atention?? WHO THE FUCK CARES........ He is 37 years old and he should act descently when given the opportunity of an interview or when ever he is in public.
He has a God-given talent, and he does not appreciate this. He should show humilty. I can not believe you can show so much support for his behavior.
You are right about De la Hoya though , he is a public bitch.

MA

I don't care for him, but the point is that's who he is, and he has not changed just because the public wants him to or because we think he should. He is who he is, and that's respectable. He's not some politically correct pussy.

-Superman-

no boxing fans i guess, DLH & Hopkins fighting on the same night generates no comments. Even though i greatly admired DLH at 140 & 147, his quest to move thru every division is ridiculous - although he 'won' last night, i think the crowd knows he was given a win simply to set up the big fight in September. A major black eye for boxing if you ask me.

Boxing, hey man I am the biggest fan of boxing. I watched the fight last night and DLH was not impressive at all and I thought he did not do enough to win. Now DLH and Hopkins where DLH is making $5 mills more than Hopkins, I think DLH is the under dog. What do you think?

Jaime
No need to comment on two badly matched fights. I hate these warm up fight cards where the future opponents are paired up against two tomato cans to hype the upcoming fight. I can count on one finger the number of memorable fights that system has generated-- and I cannot even remember who fought in that one !!
DLH is going to make a lot of money for getting his ASS kicked IMHO. Hopkins is a natural middleweight. DLH is a pumped up jr. welterweight. This ain't Sugar Ray and Hearns all over again. It's not gonna be pretty.

I think DLH is on his fancy shorts within 5 rounds. He shoulda been out in the first round against Vargas, but Vargas for some reason never followed up and finished.

Damn, pacman gobbled up the hitman with ease.

Hatton looked like a white De La Hoya . Old and slow but with no chin. Maybe people will finally give Manny his due after this one. If Mayweather wins against Marquez - he should he's much bigger - that might be an interesting match for Pacman . However I thought both Oscar and Hatton would be as well.I actually thought Hatton would rough up Manny and take him out. Lost 1,000 peso to a bargirl in AC !! Actually I lost a hell of a lot more due to what I would have gotten had Hatton won.

Maybe Manny should fight Vladimir Klitscko ??

Anyone wanna bet against Manny ??

Khun mor,
I'll take Fedor Emelyanenko over Manny. lol I thought Hatton would have put up a better fight as well.

Tomegun
Under boxing rules with boxing gloves not MMA gloves I'm not so sure Fedor would come out on top. He is a very slow methodical striker and Manyy would have 10 -20 hard punches in before Fedor even got settled in. That was Hatton's problem . Manny's hand speed way too much for him. He hits fast and friggin hard obviously. Took Mayweather a lot longer to get rid of Hatton.

Fight under MMA rules and most MMA fighters would easily beat Manny . I doubt he has much of a ground game !!

Khun mor,
Just because Mayweather beat "The Big Show" in Wrestlemania, doesn't mean Manny would beat Fedor! jk I wonder if Fedor will ever fight in the UFC? I'm sure it has something to do with Dana White and his egotistical ways. I think if Mayweather beats Marquez in July, We will see the greatest fight of decade in Mayweather/ Paquiao.

If you really think "Wrestlemania" has anything to do with sport then it is useless to even have a discussion. Why even mention that farce?

I did not say Manny would beat Fedor - read again . I said it depended on what rules were used.

Are you talking Manny vs Fedor using boxing rules or MMA?? The clearcut winner depends on whose rules are used -no contest either way.

Easy there killer, I was just joking about "Wrestlemanila". I don't care what rules Fedor fought Manny in, He would knock his ass out, period!

How bout Pacquiao vs Mayweather on New Year's Eve in AC?

This isn't really worth a fart in a wind storm, but I'm going to comment briefly on the recent Pacquiao-Bradley fight.

I was semi-excited about seeing it, but not so much as to buy the pay for view deal. So I waited one week and watched it this past Saturday night on the HBO replay.

I'll admit, going into the fight, I kind of sensed "upset in the making." The actual night of the fight I was on the internet sites that have live round by round commentary. Each and every one I followed had Pacquiao winning fairly comfortably.

After getting a chance to see it, I agree totally. Pacman was far more agressive and landed the more powerful and effective punches through at least 70 percent of the fight. Bradley came to fight, but he's not there yet.

Pacman wuz robbed. Now, I'll play Nostradamus and tell you all what's going to happen. Pacman will beat Bradley in the already in the works November rematch, then fight Mayweather I guess around May of 2013. They will soak up gravy like never before for that one. Big, big cheese. Think Leonard vs Duran 1.

Meanwhile, I'd like to see Bradley fight a guy like Juan Manuel Marquez. That could be a dandy. Anybody else want to opine? I know who much it weighs on everybodys mind and day to day lives...LOL...

I didn't see this one coming at all--the matchup or the resultado. Jesus, Mary and Joseph. Que viva Marquez bola de putos!!! Vaya derechazo que si llego!!!

Can't wait to see the replay on HBO next Sat. nite, but did see the devastating KO shot on ESPN--very reminiscent of what Sergio Martinez did to Paul Williams a couple years back.

Instead of Pacquiao vs Marquez V, how bout Marquez vs Bradley? How bout Pacquiao vs Canelo Alvarez? How bout Sergio Martinez vs Mayweather?

Que decepcion la cartelera Mayweather-Canelo!!!

What a sad, piss poor Mexican Independence weekend fight card turned out to be. I'd almost venture to say it was not quite "on the up and up."

Lackluster is probably the best word I can come up with.

A week after the pay for view fans got swindled, I saw it last night on Showtime replay.

Gotta admit, I had been totally psyched for both main events--Mathysse vs Garcia and Mayweather vs Canelo.

Both fights lacked punch and excitement, to the point of being pretty much total duds. Especially after the HUGE, extended multiple network buildup designed to extract mostly Mexican suckers of their hard earned dough.

Mayweather, admittedly is a genius fighter, especially defensively. But it almost seemed like Canelo was holding back. For what reason I have no idea. If anybody else saw the fight, I'd like to hear what they have to say...