Hombres,
I just came back from 8 days in Cuba and I'd like to take a minute to discuss it. Now I'm not going to give a trip report or specifics about the trip. Rather I'd like to talk a little about my disgust with the women of this country (America - Specifically California) and how my disgust grows every single time I leave this country to visit one of the many bastions of pleasure that await men outside of America. Now I'm an American male in his late twenties, and I have to tell you that this last trip to Cuba almost made me want to pledge my allegiance to Fidel Castro and set up shop in Havana. Why -Because there are actual WOMEN there. Real women. Feminine women. Beautiful women. I can't express to you how wonderful it was to see feminine, beautiful, caring women. Women who speak in a lowered tones, who are polite and respectful to men, who expect men to be men and don't try to treat us like children. Women who have a beautiful inside, but even a more beautiful outside. Of the thousands of women I saw, maybe 2 were fat. The number of women who were thin, with amazing asses and large tits were simply too many to keep track of. And even with their poor economy and their communistic approach to luxuries (such as luxury clothes) they dresses immaculately and walked like goddesses. I spend 9 wonderful days and when it was over, I came back to the country of men without penises. I really noticed alot of things about the American Women that I had not noticed before. Like how loud they are, how masculine and controlling they are, how they walk like apes, and the sheer percentage of overweight women. Just Sloppy, head to toe. Even in my home state of California, which is supposed to have the most number of fit and beautiful women in America. I was thoroughly disgusted and disappointed, and this is not the first time. I've traveled to Eastern and Western Europe, as well as the middle East and it seems like wherever I go, I see REAL women except for here in our own Good old US of A. Man, when did things go so wrong.

I'll tell you where things went wrong; all of these feminist groups that tell us men we can't even look at a girl and tell her she ha a nice dress on or its a fuking lawsuit! America is about equal rights, and being from a latin american family myself, I can tell you that traditions are such that women are raised to know the male is the leader in the relationship and in society. In the US, women are raised to do everything we can; and do it better! Even make more money than us - it is all possible for them here.

A perfect example would be how I knew a guy who was fired from his position as a VP because he told his scretary how sexy she looked. She then filed a sexual harrasment suit against him; and won! You see what I mean? She would have been laughed out of the office for even trying something like that in any latin country and even replaced immediately w/ another beautiful girl. It just does not exist, as a mattr of fact, women are hired for many positions based on their looks; yes, women have to actually place a picture of themselves on their resumes! I saw this with my own eyes went I went to Colombia!

Anyway, welcome to the club, during my time in the US, I'm only thinking about one thing....going back fopr a trip to South America - Cuba might be next for me since its so close. I'm also in my late twenties, and I am in good shap and speak spanish.

That is why, I do not even bother chasing women anymore here in the US; and I live in Miami!

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I think Deeg would agree with you on this one.

I have to agree and add my two cents. I have been at this maybe a 2 years. I started traveling to DR and Brazil on a friends recommendation. Like me, he too was disgusted with the way American women acted. I live in NYC and here, trust me when I tell you, women are the worst!

Problems on Wall Street and 911 have left a lot of people jobless. Thus, a lot of women are looking for a "meal ticket." Then others have no skills to earn a damn pay check and some have skills just "don't wannna work." So, you would think women would be nicer to men who earned a living? Hell no, they bring nothing to the table, they look like shit and demand you spend money on them. They want you to pay for they hair and nails and all that shit. They run from one guy to the next to see how much money they can rack up by the end of the week. They put a price on their pussy like it is the only one on the planet. Yet, they don't know how to be passionate, appreciative, calm, suave or tranquilo. They just don't know how to be women anymore as said in the earlier post. This ws certainly a problem before 911 and it is a BIGGER one now in NYC.

I was going to work on the NYC subway system a feww weeks ago right after I got in from Brazil. I heard this girl tell her girlfriend she was "not going to cook this week." Her friend said she "heard that" but, asked her how was she going to eat? She told her that "she had a different fool taking her to dinner every night." Well, you gotta know I was livid to hear that shit come out her mouth. I wanted to say something, but it wasn't my conversation.

So, I tell these NYC bitches to fuck themselves.
I go out and I will buy my male freinds a round of drinks before I buy some strange bitch one. And they ask me, "What, you can't buy me a drink?" I tell them, "No bitch, I can't. I would rather go to DR or Brazil and spend my time and money on real women that know how to act."

Live on gentlemen, these American bitches will figure it out eventually when they are alone and a lot of them are. That's why they chasing each other sucking each others pussy and starting to look like us.

Otherwise gentlemen, the world is a big place, why limit yourself to the US?

Enjoy
init

Gentlemen,
You can still find some "ladies" out there. Unfortunately, they are most likely your mothers or grandmothers... and they would agree with the previous posts. Our wives and girlfriends are most likely NOT ladies but women. And you only need a pussy that bleeds to be that. There is a slight realization of this problem here. The best thing to do is to calmly and non aggressively offer this information out to sisters and co-workers, etc. Some women actually are wondering why they can't get a man. And what we are discussing here is the last thing they will come up with, if ever. They seem to ignore the fact that when they find a man, they immediately neuter him.
But have faith MEN, biology can only be fooled for short periods.

All good points gentlemen. Thanks for bringing a smile to my face.

I think it just proves the theory that love is made up. when you even the playing field ,and women can get well paying jobs there is no incentive for them to have sex except for procreation. or to use it to trap a man. for some reason they sem to measure sucess differently from us, they want to tame 1 man and keep a pet forever, we seem to want to have multiple women and spread our seed, even though we may actually not really wanna spread our seed thats where the desire comes from

The trials and tribulations of chasing after American women are endless. When you get to the land of diminishing returns and have exhausted all else then that is when the magic happens.

You hit the road to recovery my friends. You walk down the sunlit highway to greener pastures.

I live in Las Vegas but it is now like Omaha without the trees. Once this was a city built and made for men but it is now a city of family values. The family being Manson of course!

The women here are infected with the same attitudes that have been mentioned. Femininity is non existent and while there are some lookers I am no longer excited because I know what lingers in their minds. So I have looked southward down Mexico way.

The chicas don't love me but the sex is awesome. One invited me to meet her near Mexico city. It was a sweet and sour visit but fascinating just the same. Did I say that the sex was awesome. The bitches in el norte enjoy using sex as a bargaining chip. Now I refuse to play their game and I feel liberated after turning my back on them and their games.

A Mexican friend has just asked me to join him for a trip first to TJ and then onward to La Paz. He told me we won't need to bring along any women. You see, young and beautiful chicas abound in Mexico.

Viva La Mexico & Happy Trails, Lancer

I read this thread and just have to say it. American women are digustinly fat!

By the same token I have to say that any woman who migrates to the US, no matter what nationaly they are originally from, becomes digustingly fat sooner or later.

It is indeed a US epidemic.

I love reading these posts on American men being unhappy with the women here.(I'm in Fla.)More,and more men are realizing we don't half to put up American womens "deal",and are happily traveling the world in seach of fun our way.Its one advantage we have.We can go somewhere else to get what we want.Where are they going to go if we stop being interested in them?Right on brothers.

Marry a Brazilian, or Argentine, and bring them back to this country. It is really not that hard to do.

MM

Majormajor,

I am sorry, but bringing them back to the good old USA is a BAD IDEA. Just my humble opinion...

I agree with Chris822. Doesn't take long and your brazilian wife will become an American woman.

I'm hoping this works.

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OK. Here's a couple more I came across. This show would never last in today's politically correct society.

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We can always hope.

MM

I am proud to say that since 1996, I have not dated, fucked, fondled, payed for a meal, bought a present, I have not done one fucking thing to or for an American woman. Yes, I have a lot of female American friends, from college, work, the neighborhood, social activities, wives of friends, etc but there is nothing on this planet that would make me start a relationship with an American woman.

My #1 rule for the past several years and for as many years as I have left...
"I will never again have sex with a woman who speaks english as her first language."
I have not even been tempted in a long time.

Damn I am glad this board exists to vent my frustrations on American conceited bitches and of course, share my joys of South America adventures!!! I am so glad someone understands why I just refuse to get married here in the US; and most likely just wait to retire a happy old man in a village somewhere in South America, where I will have a simple house, a simple car (if I even have one) a farm full of horses and a couple of dogs...and an incredible hot 20 year old latina who worships the ground I walk on and cries when we don't have sex more than twice a day....you don't need to own a 2 million dollar water front estate or the latest 100 thousand dollar german import auto to get pussy in these latin countries - unlike the US.

I have a hard-on just reading all this. I am also eating Chili Nachos and cheese from 7-11 along with a Double Big Gulp and splatterd it everywhere on my lap; because Im cheering on all these posts! Yes Yes Yes! Fuck these little princesses at the shopping mall with their attitudes and make-up. I HATE MAKEUP!!! Man I am no woman hater; but shit- if you could come to Fresno and see these snooty, to good for you, never make eye contact with you, and then society says I am a pervert!? These stuck up little cunts! Man I had better luck with women in downtown San Diego than here in Fresno - then in 1998 I discoivered TJ - and from what I have read; my forthcumming trip to Thiland in August will be the next level. Okay; well thank God you guys are here to make this statements of simple fact. American Women would tell me to "clean up," after I spilled nacho cheese on my shirt - to embarresed to be with me and a cheese stained shirt. A Mexican women would do the right thing and CLEAN my shirt. So there!

Metalboots

As I read this gentle diatribe, I cannot cheer as does Metalboots. The disgust I feel for gringas prohibits me from cheering when one such as MrDirtyPickles takes the stage to proclaim his angst. MrDirtyPickles has done more than bemoan the passing of our maleness, he has struck a cord that lies deep within us all.

In closing, MDP asks "Man, when did things go so wrong?". I have some ideas that might not ever see the light of day in todays politically correct society. You might even call this a prologue to my Gringo Liberation Manifesto... so...pop open a beer lads - this one's been brewing in me for a while now, and it's time to get it offa my chest.

Let's start at the beginning, shall we?

As early as Adam and Eve, it was Eve who had the relationship with the Serpent. Adam and Eve were instructed not to eat the fruit of the tree. The Devil evidently studied both humans to find which would be easiest to tempt - the least stable. Consequently, Eve was persuaded to eat the fruit. But remember, Eve was tricked; Adam was not. The real lesson is that Adam, seeing the banishment of Eve, purposely gobbled the fruit because he couldn't stand to be without her. Rather than be left alone, he skulked to the tree, and, with both eyes wide open, munched away to his damnation. History's first grovel. Adam groveled to avert loneliness. Even today, men are en mass flushing their lives and their fortunes, usually into the marriage mill, to avoid being left by, or without a woman. (It is important to note that prior to their being expelled from the garden, neither Adam nor Eve had to work. They had plenty of idle time as God provided all of their needs. Idle time never caused Adam to turn against God or Eve, but an idle woman is another another matter entirely)

Time progressed, and without Patricia Ireland's and her ilk smattered all over CNN, a male dominated society kept the 'weaker vessel' in check.

Flash forward to the Renaissance. Men were men. Women were women. Knowing that women were prone to mislead any hapless victim that wandered across their paths, the British Parliament passed this act in 1770 . "All women, whatever age, rank, profession or degree, whether virgins, maids or widows, that shall impose upon, seduce or betray into matrimony any of His Majesty's subjects, by scents, paints, cosmetics, washes, artificial teeth, false hair, iron stave hoops (what the hell is that?), high-heeled shoes, bolstered hips, or padded bosoms shall incur the penalty of the law enforced against witchcraft and like misdemeanors and, upon conviction, that marriage shall stand null and void." Ah those whacky Brits and their zany judicial system!

Then came the Industrial Age. Modern technological advances such as automatic clothes washing machines, refrigerators, electric stoves and the like gave gringas more free time. With more and more conveniences bestowed at the gracious hands of their husbands, women had time to think, and a means to talk to each other. With so much more freetime on their hands, gringas listened to the radio and talked on the telephone. And we all know that idle hands are the devils workshop, right lads? History has shown repeatedly that when a populace becomes restless, the Dictator will soon face overthrow.

Enter the Great Depression. Social policies in the country were mandated to protect our 'social security'. Women were now voting (don't get me started on THIS fuck-up), and voting to chip away at mens ability to be master of their domains. Taxes were increased, gently deceiving men into the concept of an acceptable redistribution of wealth. You can kill a frog by dropping him into a pot of boiling water, or you can put him in a pot and then slowly turn up the heat - either way sooner or later, there's frogs legs on the table. But there's more.

Drain that beer, get another one, and keep reading. A nearby box of tissues might help too.

When America emerged from the Great Depression we sent our womenfolk to the factories to work. Why? To defend the free world of course! It is no small coincidence that the Baby Boom began in 1946. Men were returning from war with a hardon, and women were lined up to meet them on the shores. Did they all quit their jobs? No. They'd tasted financial independence. They voted.

Postwar prosperity once again lulled us into believing that we as men were always to remain the Masters of our Domains. Off to work we went while the gringas stayed home rearing the family. Disposable diapers? Less laundry! Supermarkets emerged, significantly reducing the amount of time women had to spend shopping at the butcher and the baker and the produce stand. "Instant Potatoes" meant our women didn't have to peel, boil and mash our spuds. Yessiree Bob, gringas had more and more time on their hands - to watch television! Soap operas conditioned our women that they should spend hours each day thinking about themselves instead of their families. Shame on us for thinking we could trust our women with so much free time. We're bustin' our bippies to get ahead, and their home expecting what? m - o - r - e

I liken this next phase of our demise to the feeling you get when you watch "JAWS". The shark is approaching. You know that dumb bastard shouldn't be in those shark filled waters, but you just sit there - powerless - unable to help. There's nothing you can do. The savage female beast has been awakened, the taste of our blood is in the water, and the end approaches.

Enter the 1960's and 70's. The sexual revolution. You guys with some silver hair remember those days, right? Everybody was fighting to overthrow 'the establishment'. Our gringas had a lot to get off their chests too, right? They started with their bras. This was a move designed to distract us. Once their breasts were free from social norms that bound them, they moved in for the kill. The establishment they sought to overthrow was none other than us. Laws granting them equal rights were passed. The divorce industry took aim at our wallets with harsh new alimony and child support laws. Did we notice? NO! We were all too busy staring at their recently liberated racks.

Speaking of racks, didja ever notice all the magazines at the checkout counter? You won't see any male publications. We read Road and Track, Sports Illustrated and Popular Mechanics but women? Their magazines are entitled Self, Allure, Cosmo etc... While men gravitate towards things and activities, our predatory gringa is primarily concerned with herself.

MisterDirtyPickles asks "where did we go wrong?" The answer is obvious. But as the world becomes a smaller place with the efficiency of the travel and communication, it's interesting to see what Gringos are slowly realizing.

The Latino hasn't given up the fight.
The Asian male hasn't even acknowledged the war.
And if we're to regain our place in American society, it is up to us to do something about it.

DeeG

Dongringo, the end of your post reminded me of what some of my euro friends and latin friends told me independently years ago. They told me that they had no interest in american women because they were to much trouble. They liked looking at them, but could not stand even talking to them. I didn't think much of it at the time they told me this.
Now, if american men aren't interested in american women and foreign men aren't interested in american women, then sooner or later the american women will have a problem on their hands. In a similar parallel, black women hate black men that hook up with white women because it limits their selection to a smaller pool. Apparently, it has gotten to a point where the black women have taken notice and acknowledge that they have a problem. American women in general will eventually figure it out.
One more observation: the lower the economic level, the more the traditional roles of male/female are practiced. It's that middle class that seems to screw things up for everybody.

DG..

I am in fucking awe. That's one of the best things I've ever read on this site.

If you ever make it back Rio () your first terma session at your terma of choice is on me.

Dood

Tryer, good post, but I have to ask you something. When did Black women admit they have a problem?

Please, inform me because these "sisters" in NYC have never been worse!

I don't give these bitches the time of day. I just get back on the plane, look for a cambio for some Reals or Pesos and get down to business with woemn who know how to be women.

init

Lawyer: Woman Made Antifreeze Smoothie

Mon Jul 12,11:17 AM ET Add U.S. National - AP to My Yahoo!

By GEOFF MULVIHILL, Associated Press Writer

MOUNT HOLLY, N.J. - A woman who allegedly killed her brother-in-law by spiking his smoothie with antifreeze admits putting the chemicals in the drink, but only intended to make him sick enough so she could take control of his money, her lawyer said Monday.

Maryann Neabor, an emergency medical technician, planned to plead not guilty at a hearing later Monday to a murder charge in the poisoning of Jonathan Neabor, her attorney, Craig Mitnick, told The Associated Press. He said a more appropriate charge would be reckless manslaughter.

Neabor, 53, is accused of poisoning her husband's brother Wednesday at their home in Shamong Township. She allegedly concocted a drink that included pineapple juice, maraschino cherries and antifreeze, state police said.

Jonathan Neabor, 58, died at a hospital Friday.

Mitnick said Neabor only intended to hurt him severely enough so that he would have to move into her family's home so she could take control of his finances and get out of bankruptcy.

Jonathan Neabor was a retired postal worker with no family of his own. He had a postal service pension and a life insurance policy that names his brother, Michael Neabor, as the sole beneficiary, Mitnick said.

Michael Neabor was not charged.

"How would anyone feel? This is a shock," he told reporters Sunday night.

Mitnick did not specify how much money Michael Neabor stood to gain from his brother's death, but did say that Michael and Maryann Neabor have not recovered financially since being granted bankruptcy protection five years ago.

Maryann Neabor, who was in jail in lieu of $500,000 bail, taught adult classes on keeping homes safe.

"With a little care, we can protect our families from the leading causes of death and injury in the home, like falls, fire and poisoning," said a Web site description of one class.

Init4ass,

Things may be different in the west than where you are from. Though it is still not common, I have several (black male) friends that date or married white girls/white looking latinas. And they tell me periodically that the black women will tell them about it or try to intimidate their women. So, they acknowledge the problem in a sense. You are correct in that the black women don't blame themselves, but rather blame the black men because they don't want them. Eventually they will figure it out. Maybe some of them already have because the ones I've been out with seem to have a good attitude and just want to have a good time(unlike my own kind). And, carrying that over to the theme of this thread, american women in general will 'evolve' to figure these things out. Maybe someone can start up a 12-step program for them. Unfortunately, it will most certainly be many years after I'm 6-feet under.

Morgan Stanley Settles Sex Bias Case

Monday July 12, 6:28 PM EDT

NEW YORK (Reuters) - Morgan Stanley (MWD) agreed on Monday to pay $54 million to settle sex bias charges filed on behalf of hundreds of women who complained they were denied raises and promotions and subjected to lewd behavior at the huge U.S. investment bank.

The settlement announced by U.S. District Judge Richard Berman allows the Wall Street powerhouse to avoid an embarrassing public showdown over claims by women they were groped, slapped on the buttocks and faced office antics such as stripteases and breast-shaped birthday cakes.

"This is a watershed in safeguarding and protecting the rights of women on Wall Street," said the judge, who announced the settlement just as opening statements were to begin in what would have been a landmark, and graphic, trial.

As part of the deal, Morgan Stanley denied any wrongdoing and said it had always treated women fairly and equitably.

Twelve million dollars will go to resolve the claims of bond trader Allison Schieffelin, whose complaint filed in 1998 helped launch the case.

She accused the firm of refusing to promote her to the high-ranking post of managing director because of her gender. She also complained the company engaged in such discriminatory conduct as allowing men-only golf games and strip-club visits with clients.

Schieffelin, who was earning more than $1 million a year, alleged she was fired in 2000 in retaliation.

In a statement issued by Morgan Stanley, Schieffelin said, "I am happy that this case has been settled to the satisfaction of all the parties."
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A female co-worker last week rubbed my shoulders and told me how much she liked my new shirt. One of her friends agreed. I felt so humiliated. How can I continue to work in such a hostile environment. So what if I'm a hotdog vendor in a women's prison. I demand to be treated with respect at all times. I guess I'll have to sue to teach everyone a lesson. CHA-SHING!!

Of course MS settled this case. How could they win when the biased, dickless tub-o-crap in a robe District Judge trumpets the importance of this settlement in a case that ended before going to trial and the defendant admitted no wrongdoing?

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DG,

Excelent post. I hope I did not make a mistake though, as I just bought a washer/dryer for my girl in BA. I may get off lucky on this one, as she is still too busy to have an idle mind.

Thanks again for the post.

Moondog

Nothing like the Latina. . .

Here is the simple truth. The Latina has had several hundred years to evolve into the beautiful creatures they've become. They became part of a culture that they celebrate every day. A thing of beauty and poise that no American woman can understand let alone emulate.

American women have this "I know you are looking at me because you want to fuck me and I'm not going to let you fuck me because it's MY body and MY choice." look on their face whenever you lock eyes with one of them. All this while wanting you to look at them and lust after them.

Well guess what baby, you couldn't hold a candle to the latina. Not even close.

They put all kinds of time and effort into making up an image that they have no itention of letting you fuck because they think they are special somehow.

Bless them all but no thanks. What they lack is on the INSIDE. A respect for themselves and an identity that makes them appreciable.

American women have had about 225 years to developed their fucked up identity crises. They want to BE men. They don't want to BE women. They don't know HOW to be women.

They should study the Latina in all her glory. A perfect example of how the real woman can balance beauty and self determinism in one sweet package. An image and identity that can be respected because it is unique and beautiful - each one. Their allure is undeniable and we are lucky to have them. They strive to make themselves more beautiful and attractive to the men of the world -US.

The average civilian latina is more polite on her worst day than any American woman on her best.

American women are a stereotypical presentation of a confused gender who believes (in their hearts) that their pussy is sacred somehow. They lack the ability to make themselves happy by making their men happy.

It's a talent that might take them several hundred years to develop.

The only exception I can think of to a limited degree the the black woman. A very interesting culture and mysterious woman. I've met many black women (most recently last Friday in Honolulu, I danced all evening with one of the most beautiful black women I ever met).

Some were heart stoppers. One I actually proposed to; she was BEAUTIFUL and was a lady with self pride and allure. Jeez, what a creature.

It pleases the latina to please her man, paid for or not. With the odd exception of the battle hardened latina prostitute, MOST with whom you've developed some kind or relationship or at lease a fucking rapport will want you be happy in the end because THEY want it.

They have pride and self esteem. They know WHO they are and they ARE NOT men.

I hardly ever monger in the USA. I'll travel to Mexico because of the latina experience. It's worth the effort.

American women can be left to their fuzz bumps and they can all move in together as far as I'm concerned. Their role model is Rosie O'Donnel. Let them have their pussies, their equal rights, their perceptions of superiority, Oprah, the whole lot. Let them covet their pussies and the notion that it is a shrine of some sort that we're not supposed to even look at without them attaching some sort of disgusting connotation. Fuck them.

They will NEVER be equal to the Latina. I always try to please my latina in some way. I always try to show respect for who they are.

American women should get to work on the femininity aspect of their existence and forget about being men, we already got that covered. What we need is real women.

Maybe someday we'll see a real American woman who understands what being a woman means. They can learn this from the latina. They should start any time now.

Country John

Amen, Country John. I love Latinas and that is my focus these years. For all the posts and reasons stated, I waste no more time on American "stuck up" bitches trying to "be men."

Last night I go a phone call out of the blue from a girl (non-latina type) I met a few weeks ago and she is a bitch in every sense of the word. She was rude to my buddies and acted like she wasnt into me. She calls me last night and says. "I am stressed, I need some, can I come over?" I had no other choice to dis her and thats' what I was waiting for. Thus, I told her I would call her back and I never did. Yes, I turned down the pussy. I know some of you might think I am crazy, but we have to teach these bitches a lesson. It is not always going to be on their terms. Not to mention, I am going to DR this weekend and I have no interest in her. Moreover, in the event she was playing games with
me, I didn't want to give her the chance. I will save my super sperm for DR. We have to hold out grounds with these American bitches.

init

Recent news article about a girl who worked for a Govt Dept. in Brasilia. She had over 400 photos of her taken in her bosses office by several different guys over a period of time. She squealed and was subsequently fired. She tried to file a suit but they just laughed at her saying, "why did you take your clothes off in the first place?"

Now, that is a macho society. Can you imagine the headlines in the USA if a female Govt employee had hard proof of any philandering in the office. She could retire for life!

Now, why is it that I am in Rio again??

About 30 years ago, in a mostly male dominated industry, a new female employee was complaining to her boss about the ribbing and jokes she was hearing.

The boss said to her, "No one asked you to come into the locker room."

Things that come to mind:

it's the agricultural revolution that's the cause of it all, not merely the industrial

chicken and egg: maybe men "allow" the bad situation as much as women "cause" it in America

materialism could be the culprit; note American links between "pursuit of property" and "pursuit of happiness" and how men will tend to equate happiness with pussy, and see where you end up following that thread of reasoning ...

bitterness will get us nowhere -- when I learned to REALLY appreciate women for what they really are, I gained a great deal of respect, and a helluva lot more pussy, than I'd ever had before. It mostly involved being more macho and aggressive and direct and essentially ignoring every single thing a woman ever said she wanted in a man.

which brings me to

the hypocrisy

I think the root of it all is a type of feminine hypocrisy. "What part of 'NO' don't you understand?" ... umm, the part that sometimes means 'yes'? Or ... "I want a nice sensitive man" she said from the back of the Harley as it roared away.

I have done these types of bitter, annoyed analyses many times in my life. It gets me all back around to being tied in a knot all over again, angry at a "group" with no real solution in mind. I agree, obesity; I agree, Latinas are better; I agree, don't bring 'em here, they'll be co-opted within a week; I agree, I agree. But but but, isn't there some way we can figure out viable intelligent points of view, rather than merely bemoan the downfall of the world?

As a parallel example, what's a committed left-wing (but not politically correct) intellectual supposed to do in the wake of rising corporatism, excess profit motive destroying our community spirit, the failure of democracy and rise of the military-industrial complex? Invest in arms manufacturing stocks, or escape to a desert island, or something in between? Likewise, we must find some kind of VIABLE BEHAVIOR that addresses the feminine question. Yes, the world is going to hell in a hand-basket. No, it doesn't do any good to keep hollering about it without also hollering in some direction or other.

Any suggestions?


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BookGuy
Excellent questions. Although you admit to being a leftie, we can put our political differences aside in pursuit of a common goal - to regain our place in American society.

To that end, I have diligently applied myself to the study of masculine behaviour in latin cultures. The observations I've made have been startling. Nice guys do in fact finish last.

Before I get into the Latino 101 diatribe, I'd like to ask the board at large what they've found to be the fundamental differences between Gringo and Latino behaviors, where women are concerned?

Latino women are more apt to "scratch it if it itches." An American woman will go on a trendy lo-carb scratch and blame society of her itching rant because she's a victim. I think Dr. Laura Schleshenger has one thing right - men HATE to be nagged. White women (bitches) always nag me - and I hate that.

Sorry to ramble; but I worked at a retail location with an Indian Punjabe woman - 22 and georgious; she offered to COOK meals for us numerous times; not just bring back a bag of chips and dip - also the Mexican chica's I worked with COOKED for us - sounds simple, but important in my book. Last point (cauze all this topic has me Passionate as a Muthor' Phucker) *** I tend to be short sometimes; or touchy or snap out in a temper tantrum when things don't go my way.*** An American women naggs me "whats wrong, what did I do, why are you upset, bla bla bla - and then she will inherit my bad mood for hours on end- after I am all back to my loveable self. A Mexican or Indian woman will note my anger, respect me by getting un-involved in my temporary self pitty and leave me alone.

Metalboots

Here's a fundamental difference between (US) men and women. I have no idea if this works for other societies.

In our country a man defines himself. You and I are pretty much a sum of what we have created. This may mean the stereotypical image of a man being his job or his sports car or his possessions. We are taught to be self sufficient even if that doesn't really work in reality. I appreciate your comments and opinions about who I am but ulitmately I don't need you to validate who I am as a man. I can stand alone. The downside of this of course is that many men have a hard time expressing their socalled inner emotions because they are not used to "comparing" their feelings and being judged on them.

Women are defined by others. Who they are is a product of how they feel others view them. A woman does not, and cannot stand alone, because there is not really anything there that can exist independently. Women are great at expressing their feelings because that is one way they define themselves.

A man validates himself and works from that point. A women lets others validate who she is and looks for continual reinforcement of this image. Men reflect outward. Women are reflections.

A while back there was a big to do here in California about the lack of adequate public restrooms for women in facilites such as arenas and the like. It was naturally presented as if the evil men had taken all the toilet spots for themselves. The politicans hopped on the band wagon for the month or so that this was the issue of the moment. The feminazis bitched about how men subjugate women. Pictures were shown on TV and in the newspapers of long lines at the women's restrooms while no one was waiting at the men's. What no one had the guts to say was that the reason for the long lines at the women's was because they were all inside playing with themselves in front of the mirrors. Being defined by an image of something physical instead of an inner trait. Checking each other out with frowns because a woman NEVER looks at another women with anything but envy or bitterness or a sneer even if they are smiling on the outside.

A man will marry for love, and if the love survives, will still look at other women. He may go after some of them but he will return to his love because sex and love are not the same thing. A woman will marry because she believes she got the best "reflection" at the time. And she will spend the rest of her life agonizing inside that maybe she could have gotten a better looking mate, a better looking home, a better looking kitchen, etc.

A future grandfather will say, "I hope my grandchildren are smart and able to deal with the world around them." A future grandmother will say, "I hope my grandchildren are pretty."

Why are so many women so bitter? They have created a self that is totally based on exterior images. And no matter how hard they try the aging process eventually gets us all. In time the woman is unable to be the image of what is around her because those things are totally artifical and never change. The mirrors all start to have cracks. Except they really don't. It is the woman who has cracked and become faded.

A man is completely under the control of

TF - Very well said. Some of your comments seem
very similar to what John Gray writes about in his Men-Mars/Women-Venus book.

Tight fit -- the only thing I'd add to your intelligent comments about reflections and image-consciousness, is the word "attractive."

I'd stick "attractive" in front of the noun "woman" or "women" every time you say it.

To me, there ARE humans who are both female and capable of defining themselves on the basis of their actions, rather than their looks. I greatly respect (for example) the general tradition in Iceland of electing post-menopausal non-civil-service highly-intelligent females to the country's highest-ranking offices. Those chicks get stuff done, aren't frivolous, respect both genders, even let men be gruff without nagging.

But a hot chick in North America won't see that as a role model, and won't LEARN to be self-sufficient. Maybe it isn't "natural" for a female to be that way, but you have to also admit that even if a woman COULD turn that way, she's unlikely to do it if she's hot and an American. So, to really fix your post, Tight Fit, I'd have to suggest that when you complain about females, you're actually complaining about ATTRACTIVE YOUNG females, and then the older unattractive women that those chickies develop into.

This of course begs a question. Why do we CARE AT ALL about unattractive women? Aside from the issue of being stuck as a husband of one of them, this whole discussion to me is all about getting to know the women whom we wish to fuck. Really.

I look at it this way. There's a huge variety of potential behavior among those humans who have a cunt. There's also a fair amount of generalization that can be made about any given sub-set of those humans, and since the sub-set that I spend most of my time looking at is the group I wish to pork, that's probably the sub-set I'm going to end up making generalizations about.

In the long run, it's a kind of double-edged sword (running both ways and flipping to the other side of the coin, mixing metaphors). When I see generalizations that suggest their need for visual reaffirmation is an overwhelming obsession, I think, "maybe this is only true for women for whom the visual reaffirmation is already a constant in their lives, probably because they look hot." But then I think, as well, "but why would I want to analyze, understand, and eventually figure out how to lay any other woman, other than a woman who looks hot?"

I dunno ...

Book Guys says with his typical insight into such things, "But then I think, as well, "but why would I want to analyze, understand, and eventually figure out how to lay any other woman, other than a woman who looks hot?"

That's a good point. Maybe the difference between "us" and "them" is that we are able to accept the fact that we probably will never get a 10. We can try and hopefully have a lot of fun in the process. But a woman will never accept what she has. And that, again, goes back to the fact that we can parade our successes for the world to see and admire but if we don't get the applause we hope for the day is not ruined. That doesn't work for a woman.

Here's an idea. Check the photos out on CH. Let's be honest. Most of the time you read the report, think that the woman must be drop dead gorgeous to get such a fantastic "review" and then you look at the actual photo and shake your head. Nice maybe, sometimes really nice. But as cute as you expected? NO. But did the poster have a great time with her? Yes, and we can all smile and relate to that because we understand that the really good ones are never 10s in appearance.

Could women post pictures of men that they had been with? OK, we all know that only men are so superficial to need to post a picture or to need to see one to get off. But women post pictures every moment to each other in their descriptions of their BFs or husbands or the new hunk in the office. Their pictures are not in your face photographs as our's are but they are just as strong in their content. So, could a woman post a picture of a guy she was with when the guy was a 6 or 7 or maybe an 8? No way. It would be utter shame because she knows she would be rediculed by her sisters for being unable to "score".

Sooner or late in life you have to come to terms with what you can achieve and what is simply out of bounds forever. You take what you can, be proud of it, and hope others will make room for you, and your "catch", at the table with a genuine smile. This usually works for a man. It usually doesn't for a woman.

Ambition is for men, I hear you saying. Hmm ...

Also, I like the way you turned around my question onto the very subject of its analysis. Neat trick, that.

Deeg,

I finally got around to reading your diatribe on the womens movement. Well done my friend...well done. Eloquent, thought provoking and certainly endearing to the board.

It certainly adds some light to the current malcontent with gringas in the US and the reason boards like this exist. Certainly, learning to be macho in a latin country after growing up in the US has its challenges but it is a lot of fun too.

Imagine, snubbing your nose at a chick you would die for; offer your credit card to; or, (as a good friend says) eat her shit just to say you had lunch with her.......well, it's kinda heart warming.

Why is it I am in Rio again????

Sandman and others:

Thanks for taking notice of the preface to my "Gringo Liberation Manifesto". More is coming, and soon.

The time is ripe for us as North American Men to reclaim our rightful position as the undisputed leaders of our world. The pendulum has indeed swung too far. Gringas have taken far more than they're entitled too. They've hogged the bully pulpit too long. We must unite as a unified voting block, and proudly pursue our interests. Enough is enough.

Why are the men of the most powerful country in the world being judicially castrated into oblivion?

DeeG

Ambition. Talk about a loaded word. Once upon a time in our society ambition was something very positive. Under political correctiveness ambition has become a dirty word to the max.

Men are women are both ambitious but in different ways. Right? In relationship to each other I suppose the man is ambitious in getting laid both frequently and with quality. His is a short term ambition and this usually screws him over in the long term. Women's ambition when dealing with men is to get the best (richest, most handsome, strongest) and then keep him for the long term.

It is currently the in thing to bad mouth the French but when you look at their system of wives and mistresses compared to our system of all or nothing it is hard not to envy the French. The French male certainly has his ambitions fulfilled for both the short and the long term. I don't know how the French female feels about this. Maybe they are also smarter than our women since they have 2 options open in a relationship whereas the typical American woman has but one.

I'd PREFER that "French system" any time. Or the Brasilian one (as reported here, at least) that you get to plug Termas girls whenever you want to spend a little for it, and the concept of marriage is somehow tangential to that -- even to the point of ridicule. Either way, it's just more honest.

But what I want to know is, given what we ARE born with (not what we would have PREFERRED), how are we going to go about living happy, fulfilled lives? Reconciling ourselves to the dirty reality that does indeed exist out there, we can:

1. Continue mongering while also complaining about American women.

2. Find a way to stop complaining about American women, and continue mongering.

3. Fix American women, or at least our relationship to them, so that they become as enjoyable as mongering.

4. Some other option I haven't itemized.

Thoughts?

Book Guy,

Analysis paralysis. Thanks for overcerebralizing this thread and killing it.

There is no bitterness anymore because the aforementioned solution works for me and apparently others. The land of diminishing returns 'gringolandia', has forced us to seek sanctuary in other lands.

Sounds to me as if you still want to work things out with your American sisters. Have Fun!!!

Peace and Health, Lancer

Sorry to have contributed intelligent thoughts to "your" thread and thereby to have ruined it for you.

I don't think I'm the one with paralysis -- it's those who keep showing up here to whine about how awful Americanas are, and how wonderful all other females in all other countries (except of course Canada, which is just USA-lite) are ... they're the ones who are still doing the same old thing over and over again. They get this negativity thing going on, have to get it off their chests, then get negative again, around and around, saying the same thing dudes said three years ago, ten years ago, forty years ago. Can we move on? Catharsis is useful; stasis is not.

Don't get me wrong! I think it's fabulous to talk about how dreadful life had gotten, and then how great it is to find a woman (or six) abroad who'll fuck your brains out -- that is the topic of this whole website, after all.

But I was hoping for some creative problem-solving, too. Where else, if not here, can like-minded men help one another to resist the evil Americana in all her guises? What more useful application for the members of this community, than to try to solve the very problem that brought us together in the first place?

I'm done now. You can have "your" thread back ...

Tight Fit,

Your mentioning of the French attitudes toward love brings back a lot of pleasant memories. During the years 1986-1988, business had me traveling a lot to Europe, and in particular, Paris. In and around the work place, I always noticed a beautiful Parisian girl, in her mid 30’s, trim, elegant. One day I told her that I was new to the European scene, and asked if we could meet for coffee or dinner, as I had never met a European, and would just like to get to know her. Her left hand did not show a wedding ring. She gave me her business card, but I told her that I did not want to call her at work, and asked if she had another number. She wrote down her home phone, which I still remember to this day.

Later that afternoon, I gave her a call, and a guy answered. Not knowing the full score, I just asked for her, and apologized as I did not know she had a boyfriend or husband. We spoke briefly, and that was it. I thought tat was the end of it until a few days later, she slapped a sealed envelope in my hand, told me not to read it until I was at the hotel. In it she stated that even though she was not free, she could still see me. I was blown away by her openness, and this was my first introduction to the life of a woman outside of the U.S. That started two years of absolute bliss with her, yet everyone in the area that we worked knew we were dating each other, and she held nothing back. A series of complications ended the affair, but I still talk to her at least once a year, and keep in touch, and she never regrets the time we spent together.

Say what you want about the French, but this woman was absolute gold.

The other day getting off the airplane in Miami, standing in the middle section of coach getting things down from the overhead, and facing the rear of the airplane, my eyes were angled down on the seat in front of me. As I looked up, a pair of beautiful tits in a halter top came by. There was nothing I could do but stare and appreciate the beautiful creation of a woman. She was talking on her cell phone as she walked by, but caught my glance enough to pull up her top more so that I could not see much. She was an American woman, and I just smiled and shook my head in disgust.

Later, while walking through the terminal, there was a beautiful Latin girl in a really nice dress speaking with her friends. I slowed down, looked her straight in the eye, and said, “You are a beautiful woman.” She said, “Gracias, Senior.” That was it, and I went about my business.

I am still amazed at the cultural difference between the United States and other countries, and how the women away from the U.S. love to be women as opposed to their counterparts. The U.S. does have some gorgeous women, and yes there are some really good marriages in the U.S. Having to do it again, knowing what I do now, I would take a Latin woman any day as my first and only choice. They know how to dress, act in public and private, and their entire life with you is devoted to pleasing you and wanting to keep you around for the family. It is a great feeling, and one that the feminazis have ruined for the U.S. women.

Enjoy the life gentlemen,

Moondog

Book Guy,

Maybe we should just treat the U.S. ladies like Latinas, and tell them that they are beautiful. If we get hauled to court, maybe we can convince the judge to aks her why she can not accept a compliment, and to throw the sexual harassment charge out of court. It was just a thought.

Moondog

(Message edited by moondog on July 17, 2004)

Moondog, I loved your comparisons of how a typical American woman and an equally typical Latina react to seeing a man eyeballing them. What gets me with these Gringas who are always tugging at their revealing clothing is the question of why they even got it in the first place. If you are going to wear an item which emphasizes a particular point of your body then why get mad when someone is looking at it?

I'm not advocating the Islamic dress code for women or saying that a woman should have to listen to gross comments from anyone. But if you know people are going to be predispossed to react in a certain way to something based on their sex or culture or education or whatever then it should not come as an unpleasant surprise when this reaction happens. Maybe one of the problems in this country is that people have so bought into the Burger King idea that "you can have it your way" to mean that you can decide on an individual basis who is allowed to look at you and who is not. Most women who file sexual harassment suits don't hate all men and certainly don't have a problem with with those they are attracted to doing the exact same thing that they scream about with someone they are not attracted to. I am willing to bet that if you could see pictures of every man accused of bothering a woman you would see a predominance of men who are not exactly tall, dark, and handsome.

Book Guy,

The title of this thread is 'American Women-Get Away From Me'. I never referred to it as my thread but as this thread.

However,your comments about viable behaviors and creative problem solving seem out of place to me (on this thread)as the people who responded seem quite at ease with 'their' solution. You do not find 'their' or 'my' solution viable. So be it.

We have found an alternative lifestyle which eases the negativity and the bitterness and it actually provides us with some happiness.

The thoughts that are most on my mind are when and how soon will I be able to travel and visit the beautiful princesses of Mexico. I do not think about how I am going to socialize with women north of the border. I will leave those types of problem solvings up to you as I no longer have any interest in these matters.

Lancer

Yeah, good plan Lancer. I was just ribbin' ya, anyway.

I'd suggest to Tight Fit the book "In Praise of Older Women" by Vizinczey (rhymes with Da Vinci). He's one of my favorite authors, although "Innocent Millionaire" went a bit awry ...

Anyway, in "In Praise of Older Women" is the story of about twenty love-affairs the author had growing up, always with someone "adult" rather than "girlish," first in Nazi-occupied Hungary, then free Europe, then North America. It's HILARIOUS how the Canadian episode at the end ruins his whole perception of females. She wants to tease but not please, and is actually angered that he follows up on all her openings. Like, she goes, "Call me some time," so he does, doh.

It's good Euro-porn, pretty graphic about sex (one suggestion, that when a male is extremely chilled from being out in the snow, and a female is warm from being inside, the sex is better, I've never had the opportunity to examine scientifically). Was made into a bad blue movie in (I think) the late 70s, not very true to the book. Vizinczey is like Conrad or Stoppard, one of those Eastern Europeans who chose to learn English as the "world tongue" to write in, and then mastered it better than a native.

An easy, provocative read, an enjoyable, sexy novel, and right along the lines of this thread.

Now, as to that solution to our common problem ...

Today I was flipping the TV remote control and happened to stop at "Bravo", which was showing a reality show called "Blow Out". It seems to be about the life experiences of a hair salon owner/manager. The reason I thought I would mention on this board is that the women who work in the salon, the customers, the models, all are icons of attractive American women. They certainly fit in with this topic perfectly. Watch their self image as they participate in this show. They certainly are self involved people.

Has anyone else seen this show and what are your thoughts?

I thought Bravo was the gay network? Queer Eyed Guy or something like that?

If you want to see an American "cunt's" version of the world watch the Fine Living Channel. The day I can afford to pay $500 a night for a bed and another $500 a day on glamour meals, spas, and lots of little play things that women seem to get off on will probably be in another life. What I notice though is every place is described in awe struck tones that endlessly repeat their exclusivity for only the very special people among us. And everything is shown from the point of view of what it LOOKS like and how this radiates off the people (women) who are permited to experience it. The hired help makes their entrances and exits with the proper subservience that women seem to need so that their day has been made. Anyone else here old enough to remember the TV show Queen For A Day?

I'll admit that I am super jealous of the super attractive couples with their oh so perfect bodies in this channel who can afford to drop literally thousands on their moments of utter luxury. And I guess showing some fat old prunes would take away from the aura that the shows seek to create. Still, I would feel more comfortable starring (solo I'm sure unless I paid someone) in one of the Robot Wars matches.

One last TV show. There is one where a Plain Jane is given a complete markover with new hair style, clothes, and what must be pounds of chemicals put on her face. Most of the women chosen are somewhat plain looking but that's not necessarily bad. Especially compared to the crappy look they all have at the end which the entire female audience goes ape shit over in absolute ecstacy. They always bring out the woman's husband or boyfriend who naturally has to say how fantastic she looks or he will go from 1 bj a month to none at all. What gets me about this show, and I've only suffered through it a few times because I was forced to watch it, is that NOTHING whatsoever is ever said about the inside of the person being transformed. There is nothing about personality, about education, about humor, or style. It is solely about covering one's self with layers and layers of artificiality as if this is what is needed to make these women become attractive.

Interesting. In my limited experience with "Queer Eye," they do have a segment on improving the victim's "inner life" as well as his outer. Teach him social skills, get him to make goals, basically turn him into a ("Sex In the City" version of a) viable adult male. Odd that the gay guys would do this for a straight guy, but the straight gals would not.

No, not odd at all. They're just into THEMSELVES, as has already been pointed out.

So, I am bringing an American lady down to TJ for a visit, and she is playing Princess and the Pea. No hotel is good enough, I think she wants a motorcade from the border to Revolucion, the Mexicans are all dirty. She's allergic to everything, but will not take anything with aspirin or antibiotics or otherwise not organic.

Gee, half the chicas in TJ would flip just to go to McDonalds for dinner.

I think that the "American WOmen phenomenon" is a Western Women one. Take Canadian women as an example they are no less cunty, bitchy deceited than their southern sisters.

I love the French girls in Montreal, though. They are the hottest women, on average, in all of North America.

I'd have to modify your thesis to NORTH AMERICAN, or even EXCESSIVELY MATERIALIST, rather than merely WESTERN. I think the anecdote about the French woman bears this out.

Perhaps it's simply a lack of culture. Traditions do a lot for keeping human relations sane. The Mexicans have their family, church, neighborliness, and (obviously) in many cases extreme material want -- this all leads to a sense of "cooperativeness" (for lack of a better word). The French have wine, cheese, Tour De, De Gaulle, Gallic shrugs, Yves Montand, Francois Truffaut, Napoleon. Americans only have, as heroes, people who were rigid and anal and materialistic and because of those traits they "won" over some adversary -- King George, The South, Texaco, Apple Macintosh. Our great unifying trait is mutually adversarial competition.

Americans are descended from a cultural and religious background that feared pleasure and saw sex as something evil and sinful. Combine that natural aversion to having a good time with the feminist movement and it's no wonder so many women here are incapable of being anything but bitches.

Speaking of female sexual pleasure, I just now got through downloading (4 months to do it) an excellent copy of the classic 80s movie The Grafenberg Spot. These were movies then, not videos. No silicon, no tattos, no piecings, no shaved pussies. The movie was about women discovering their G-spot and having a great orgasm in the process. It was a spoof on then current events and, unlike many films from that era, this one has held up very well. It obviously won't be in the collection of any Mormon home, anyone in NOW, or part of the data that GWB uses to determine where world terrorism is lurking.

Terrorism and pussies -- hiding in caves ...

Catocony wrote: "I love the French girls in Montreal, though. They are the hottest women, on average, in all of North America."

I couldn't agree more. Unfortunately when I frequented montreal I wasn't a monger. I would love to visit Montreal again. I'll never forget how fine those strippers were. Much better than vegas IMHO.

And overall this is a great thread. I've enjoyed everything that has been written. I haven't travelled extensively but I've had the luxury from time to time and have witnessed the praises you gentlemen have for women of different cultures.

I heard a talk radio program this week that reminded me of this topic. A guy called in that said his wife/girlfiend didn't want him to go to his weekly card game because the other guys there would be watching the Victoria's Secret show and that it was degrading to women. After talking to several callers he decides to go anyway. His wife/girlfriend complains to the station a day or so later and says that he told her that he wasn't going to go but that the station bribed him with concert tickets(of her favorite band) and that was the only reason he went. What is her problem with him seeing good looking models strutting their stuff? And what kind of ball-less wonder is this guy that he would lie about the station to her(he actually bought the tickets himself). It makes me want to start an intervention program where you kidnap a guy like that, fly him to Rio or somewhere similiar and force him to go to termas/massage parlors and get laid by decent women for a week or so. Hopefully he'll come back to the states with with a newgrown set of balls. I've seen many marriage services on the internet. Perhaps I(or someone) could start a ballgrowing service.

Going back to Whatsthatsmell's post, I think the problem has been exacerbated by the tort attorneys (I'm an attorney myself, but don't practice). The idea that a woman can collect millions for what passes as "sexual harrassment" is absurd. Telling someone they look nice is not harrassment. Don't get me wrong. There are legitimate instances of harrassment, such as where a boss threatens a woman's job if she doesn't bone him. But things have gone way past the level of reasonableness.

And of course, the attorneys are responsible for the state of affairs where if you get divorced, you will lose at least half of everything, regardless of fault, and regardless of whose labor produced the wealth.

This is one area, where I don't see things improving. Despite the (mostly unsuccessful) attempts at tort reform, politicians of either party will not do a thing to hurt "poor, defenseless" women (and their votes - over 50% of the electorate since females live longer than men).

Wow, I had not read this thread before. very interesting stuff. There are some pretty smart guys on CH. I'm impressed. AZ

It always amuses me to see people rail about undeserving plaintiffs in tort cases getting outrageous amounts of money. Ain't nothin' but Urban fiction.

Typically juries award money, not, as such complainers would imply "liberal judges". Juries don't give big money on bullshit cases. They are monumentally unimpressed, pissed, actually, because someone has wasted their time with a nothing lawsuit. Juries honestly want to perform a good public service. It is important to them.

Big money is typically awarded when it is deserved. By juries who work hard at following the law and who get righteously angry when they are shown conduct that is outrageous. Do juries make mistakes? Sure, but juries don't generaly give the large for nothing injuries.

The archtypical case is the hot coffee in the lap case for which a California woman received about 600K from McDonalds. People who are outraged by that result usually get real quiet when they learn that there had been lots and lots of prior complaints to MickeyDs about "almost" injuries from waaay too hot coffee which were just ignored. Juries don't like companies who ignore complaints that have foreseeable serious injury conseuences. Do you? If willful disregard doesn't upset you, I got a Pinto to sell you. The Pinto you can have for $100. The Nymex suit will cost you 50 grand.

And how would you, my friend, like to be the 21 year old Californian rendered quadriplegic by a surgeon distracted thinking about his stock portfolio?

For the rest of his frickin' life the injured guy he gets a generous $250,000 in total for his pain and suffering. Would you take 5,000 a year in trade for the use of your arms and legs? Oh yea, that 250 includes compensation for the non-functioning of your johnson as well.

Or how would you like to be the 35 year old mentally retarded woman (function level of a 7 year old) who was repeatedly sexually molested by her community van driver when he parked in a goddam cemetery. Or the elegant single mother 30 year old african american secretary whose boss, a 40 year old balding, fat, part owner of a jewish family run clothing manufacturing businss, would call her on the phone an invite her to lunch for a 12 inch sub sandwich. Har. Har. Har. This miserable cluck's defense was that she initiated it. Unfortunately for his side, his physical appearance was so laughable as to make that defense completely unbelievable. Of course, the fact she recorded these conversations was of no small value.

But the issue at hand is d-i-v-o-r-c-e, no? Which one of us got married in ignorance of the fact we would get fucked when (not if) we got divorced. But we still did it. Why? Why? Because we think it won't happen to us: we won't get divorced. And if by some chance we do, the wifey will be reasonable because she looooovves ye. Hah! That is reasoning with the small head, isn't it? Is there anybody that can delude us as well as we delude ourselves?? (I'm not excluding myself here...the valuation figure my ex-wife's divorce attorney put on my business was so high, I told her I'd sell the business to her for 3/4 of that figure. So why do we blame the lawyers when all we had to say was "No thank you, I'd rather just fuck freqently and not be married."

There, I've had my rant. I feel better now. Thank you. I think its time for the next blue pill.

And american women wonder why american men are going south of the border and abroad looking for wives.

I support womens rights and liberation but I think they fought too hard and now many men are "threaten" or upset by this. One thing is for sure when I go to bed at night I want woman beside me not a "machoman." Just my opinion.

Holy shit does this ever prove what DonGringo wrote in his Gringo Manifesto (above 7/11/2004)

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3285942690597150140

http://www.askmen.com/dating/curtsmith_100/134_dating_advice.html

This link says it all

Irishrover:

Who is DonGringo??

LaGuy

My sentiments exactly.

IrishRover

Was that the "steppin wolf" song, "American Woman" in the 70's that gave us all fair warning?

SP

I think it was the Guess Who. Kravitz recorded it as well. AZ

My favorite toast;

I'll drink to the girls that will
I'll drink to the girls that won't
I'll even drink to the girls that say they will
And later say they won't
But the girls I'll drink to all day long and into the middle of the night
Are the girls who say they won't, but for you they just might

Unfortunately, I don't find many of these kinda girls in gringaville. Why I am never there!

I still like the old saying, "if they didn't have a pussy there would be a bounty on them"

Aint it the truth!!!!

Good thread guys.