- If the sky looks blue, then it is blue.

- When you get your drivers license in California, the small print says you must submit to sobriety tests when requested by LE or your license gets suspended. It's a condition of being granted the license in the first place.

- There are places in the midwest where excessive speed is tolerated. I saw a story on "60 Minutes" a couple of years ago that showed how cops in some parts of Montana completely ignored speeders. It's still illegal, just like prostitution in the Zona, but it's tolerated.

- Masterbates: Only if you invite Dogster and Explorer as well. And throw the party somewhere other than AB.

-Superman-

Hey Ben now i am really insulted !!!!
I want to be the most Pathetic loser on the board !!!
How can we change that ?

Gotta run to TJ hopefully tonight
take care
Milkman

Dogster, you motherfucker, I did NOT confuse wavelength and color. If you had ever made it past second fucking grade, you would know that light waves are commonly referred to by the color they represent to human perception. EVERYONE knows that the color typically perceived is a human mental construct, and that the waves themselves have no inherent fucking color. Jesus Fucking Christ, do I have to spell EVERYTHING out for you guys???

Superman-

Montana is not in the Midwest and speeding over 100 mph it is not tolerated in the Midwest.

Dazed, Plastic Jesus is by Ernie Marrs. The Janis Joplin song you are thinking about is "Mercedez Benz":

Oh Lord, won't you buy me a Mercedes Benz?
My friends all drive Porches, and I must make amends.
Worked hard all my life time, no help from my friends.
So, oh Lord, won't you buy me a Mercedes Benz?

Oh Lord, won't you buy me a color TV?
Dialing For Dollars is trying to find me.
I wait for delivery each day until three.
So, Lord, won't you buy me a color TV?

Oh Lord, won't you buy me a night on the town?
I'm counting on you Lord, please don't let me down.
Prove that you love me and buy the next round.
Oh Lord, won't you buy me a night on the town?

Everybody!

Oh Lord, won't you buy me a Mercedes Benz?
My friends all drive Porches, and I must make amends.
Worked hard all my life time, no help from my friends.
So, oh Lord, won't you buy me a Mercedes Benz?

To clarify:

When suspected of DUI you DO NOT have to take any field sobriety tests, regardless of what the cops may say to you. Nor do you have to answer any questions as to whether you have been drinking, however if you do, and lie, this lie can be introduced into court against you. If you admit to drinking, that can be used against you to, altho the cop won't tell you that. So, shut the fuck up. You DO HAVE TO submit to a breath or urine or blood test upon request and REASONABLE SUSPICION of DUI.

As to speed limits, some states used to fine people for "wasting gas" to the tune of 1 or 5 bucks, payable on the spot with a credit card. Maybe nebraska does this. Maybe not, I do not know.

Kendricks, GODDAMMIT. Wrong, wrong, and wrong to the TENTH power. EVERYBODY knows that wavelength and color are separate? HAH! More PROPAGANDA from the urban terrorist. I have it from a reliable source that the road to color science hell is PAVED by misguided "experts" who confused wavelength and color. You yourself say that "light waves are commonly referred to by the color they represent to human perception." Huh? That statement PROVES that you are equating color and wavelength. ANYONE worth his colorimetric salt knows that any given wavelength can appear to be any color. That's the point. GET A CLUE, YOU UNPATRIOTIC COMMIE INGRATE. The visual system works overtime to maintain color constancy of objects, regardless of the wavelength composition of illuminants. It sounds like you didn't learn ANYTHING in first grade physics. What a pathetic waste. This REALLY pisses me off. Back to kindergarten for you. Lord Rayleigh is rolling in his grave about now (not to mention Isaac Newton). I'm beginning to think that there should be minumum IQ requirements for posters on this board.

I'm not sure why I "waste gas" educating you here. My guess is that you are too much of a coward to "cop" to your error. All that dishonorable discharging is making you soft.

Batster1: Oh yeah, I forgot to say fuck you too. No need to leave anybody out. Fucking tourists.

Why can't y'all just believe Ahora000?


=Dogster= who always drives 55 mph (in residential areas)

Man. give me some good scotch and my tongue gets to wagging more than dogsters tail. My smug/bragging statements telling the world how great I am were totally unappropriate.

I just need to get off this computer when I open the whisky bottle.

Dogster

I always suspected that you were a professor of science or mathmatics and you just confrimed it with your latest outbrust toward Mr Pinko.

I understood little of what you were talking about, which the same can be said regarding my formal education.

benwholoveduniversitycoeds

Dogster, you fuck, how DARE you accuse me of coming in here with propaganda. The hatemongering, racist bullshit you are spewing is the worst form of propaganda. It is YOU who is a shill for the privileged class, who is tossing around all that fancy talk about light waves not being associated with specifis colors in order to keep the common man down.

Fuck, poor Ben is even buying into your crap, even though he admittedly doesn't understand it, on the basis of how seemingly good it sounds.

For your edification, you cocksucker, below is a simplified explanation of this phenonemon that I found at http://www.physicsclassroom.com/Class/light/U12L2a.html

"Each individual wavelength within the spectrum of visible light wavelengths is representative of a particular color. That is, when light of that particular wavelength strikes the retina of our eye, we perceive that specific color sensation. Isaac Newton showed that light shining through a prism will be separated into its different wavelengths and will thus show the various colors that visible light is comprised of. The separation of visible light into its different colors is known as dispersion. Each color is characteristic of a distinct wavelength; and different wavelengths of light waves will bend varying amounts upon passage through a prism; for these reasons, visible light is dispersed upon passage through a prism. Dispersion of visible light produces the colors red (R), orange (O), yellow (Y), green (G), blue (B), indigo (I), and violet (V). It is because of this that visible light is sometimes referred to as ROY G. BIV. The red wavelengths of light are the longer wavelengths and the violet wavelengths of light are the shorter wavelengths. Between red and violet, there is a continuous range or spectrum of wavelengths."

Did you happen to catch the part that said "Each color is characteristic of a distinct wavelength", motherfucker? Do I need to say it again? Each fucking color is characteristic of a distinct motherfucking wavelength!!!

Next thing you'll be in here telling us that the Doppler Effect does not exist, and that the red shift of a star's spectrum is a subjective phenomenon. Go ahead,motherfucker, say it. I dare you. I double dare you.

Hey Ben, is this a good time to buy Worldcom?

Gee, Even I missed that one.

Only buy it if you need a tax write off.

They will be out of business, maybe in six months but almost guaranteed within a year.

The class action suits will be turned up a few notches after the latest news.

Maybe you should consider Martha Strewart if you would like part of your wealth redistributed.

I should have said they will be in bankrupcy not out of business. This assumes they are not taken over.

I would doubt they will be sold unless some of their incredible debt can be written down.

There almost has to be some consolidation in this industry. To many players.

This has been too much fun.

Powerslave, thanks for the info. Next time I get stopped I will remember that I do not have to take field sobriety tests. But since I have not been stopped for any infraction since 1986. It might be awhile.

I DID however say that breathalyzers are mandatory, so who are you telling to shut the fuck up? I am confused. I am not sure who you were adressing. And why is everbody so uncivil?

Dogster, I am with you man. Fuck everybody.

What was the original point of this thread. Oh fuck it.

When I was in Pohang, Korea, I bought a patch that said "If you have never been to Pohang, Korea, then shut the fuck up".

just wanted to take an oppurtunity to say hello to all my fraternity brothers. btw i was really disappointed that i didn't get a "fuck you" from dogster.

Please note one of my stupid obnoxious statements has been deleted at my request.

All other stupid obnovious statements will remain.

What did the post say that you had deleted?

Oh will gezz Kendricks.

Why do you think I deleted it?

Just stupid stuff about how cool I am.

Embrassing when I read it sober.

Sounded lIke the ass I am.

About 6 months back when my brother came to visit I had one of my Monger Pulgas convetions and got pretty blasted.


I had to pick up my brother at the airport within
5 hours and left for home.
I am only 6 or 7 minutes from the border and my place is right off the 805 so it is very easy to get to.
It was about 2 in the morning and they had a sobriety checkpoint on the 805. So i did the backroads past the new plaza of the americas.
Wouldnt you know it that there was one Ahora waiting for me at the stop sign.
He stopped me and told me I didnt come to a complete stop at the sign.
Now mind you there isnt a single loser for miles and it is 2am on the backroads and I am a little tipsy.
So he asked me if i was dwinking and i replied yes as he could probably smell it on my breath.

He never said the test was up to me but i didnt object as he told me the breathalizer would be coming out if i didnt pass the test.
He said i will give you the benefit of the doubt
as sometimes you can fail the breathalizer test but still be ok to drive home.

He had me do all kinds of wacky things that even if i wasnt drunk i would fail.
I did complete all the tests he made me do and even added in my own to show him i was ok to drive.
He asked me how far i had to go and i told him just 5 mins more down the road.
He had me on the street for about 15 to 20 mins.
Then after running my license through his computer he let me go.

I still don't understand what the backseat test was all about , my ass hurt for days after that.
At least he was gentle with his nightstick

Milky

Jese Milky didn't you know you are not obligated to do those field tests. hee hee.

Dogster, educate me on this one. You seem to be speaking from the psychological aspect of color perception. But, at the level of retina, color detection is much simpler than what you are saying. In human, there are three different opsin proteins (red, green, and blue) that are activated by different wavelengths of light. Opisins are localized in color detecting photoreceptor neurons (cones), in the manner that each cone expresses only one of the three opsins. The color perception is a result of the pattern recognition among these cones, and this occurs in the visual cortex. At the level of retina, however, a wavelength defines a color.

Incidentally, genes encoding red and green opsins are located next to each other on X chromosome. These two genes can be fused by occasional recombinations, and this results in red-green color blindness because one opsin gets lost. And since males carry only one X chromosome, the frequency of color blindness is high among men.

I should have said, "The color perception is presumably a result of the pattern recognition among these cones..."

Needless to say, psychologically, the color "red" person A is seeing may not be the same as what person B is seeing.

From a California DUI attorney:

- If you are under 21, you have no choice and must submit to a Preliminary Alcohol Sensor test when requested by the officer, or your license can be suspended for 1 to 3 years.

- If you are over 21, you can refuse this test and the field sobriety test.

- You don't have to answer when the officer asks if you have been drinking. Also, you have no legal right to an attorney until you have been arrested or placed in custody.

- Once you are arrested, you must submit to a chemical test, or your drivers license will be suspended for 1 to 3 years. The drivers license suspension may even be upheld if you are subsequently found not guilty of the drunk driving charge.

-Superman-

Good info Superman. When this happened to me I was a naive 20 year old and did not respond properly, but I was basically not given much choice. Right or wrong I was told to do field sobriety and I did them. But I also found out that if you passed 3 of 5 tests they are supposed to let you go. Based on my idiotic admission he hauled me in. The breathalyzer would not print and so there was problem there. At any rate I can vouch that you can lose your liscense even being found innocent of the DUI charges. I did not even apear in court( I was out of country) the judge reduced the charge to reckless driving and gave me a $360.00 fine. But there was what was called "an Administrative hearing" by a DMV officer that suspended my liscence for 90 days. Not that I gave a shit because I was out of the country and did not return for nearly three years.

But thanks for the info. Never know when it may come in handy.

Batster1,,,,I believe that if you are under 21,,,your BAL has to be even lower than .08
Heard this on the news when the PD was doing their border stops of kids walking back from TJ.

Batster, you misunderstand. You, me and all of us should shut the fuck up when a cop asks us if we have been drinking. as in be silent.

Sampson: I want to eat your children.

Kendricks, Byron and other chromatically challenged nabobs of negativity: You FUCKING idiots. A little knowledge is a dangerous thing. Prepare meet your physical and metaphysical doom. I will obliterate your cartoon-based understanding of physics and color shortly, thus shattering all your illusions. But first, I must go south to celebrate the bull market (What I mean is, she keeps calling me "toro"). Stay FUCKING tuned.

Eat shit and die scumbags.

Anyone else out there a fan of the movie "Dr. Strangelove"?

Yours in hate, destruction, and whoring.

=Dogster=

I bet you're color blind. Dog.

And impotent.

Kendricks,
Pohang, Korea brings back memories. When were you there? '83 for me.

I was in Pohang in February of 1990. I only had a few days there, but they sure as hell were memorable...

Powerslave,

Re-reading the post I understood your original intent. But since everyone was teling everyone else to fuck off for every imaginable reason, I read it from the wrong perspective.

I think it was that Dogster fuck who started the uncivility with his bullshit propaganda about light waves not being correlated with perceived colors. It looks like he tucked his tail between his legs and scurried off, though.

No correlation between light wave frequency and perceived color, my ass!

Yeah Dogster

Fuckin Pervert

Hey Ben, I stopped by at La where I found Joe around mignight. He told me you, sampson and milk had been there and left for La Mesa. I would like to explore that area. When will you guys get together next time?

Was that fucker jo with this really beautiful blond? My girlfriend.

I went home at 9:15.

Sampson was trying to ruin my reputation so I left them all at La tropa.

Not sure I ever want to see any of those assholes ever again.

Bryon you are always welcome to our little adventures as long as you can stand hanging with a bunch of fuckin losers like us.

I think some of us are getting together friday night still not sure , I might hit a factory worker disco/ficha bar in La Mesa that night or maybe Pulgies.
It depends on what headingnorth says.
Also depends on what Jesus is doing.
If they are not going I will go solo to Pulgies.

I got to tell you that last night was one of the best times i have ever had in La Tropa , I did look for you around 10 ish at AB/CC , well I am just saying that to make you feel good.
Just kidding I did hit both bars looking for U , I must say Adelitas quality has gone down in recent years to almost an all time low , most of them would need to pay me for sex.
Maybe the gallery pics are correct most AB are beasts.

Well inbox me if you will be around friday

take care
Milkmaniac

Bastard

What the fuck is dairyproduct's problem lately, anyway?

Ahora,
I know EXACTLY what you do for a living. It took me about 2 minutes to find out. Why don't you give me permission to post it and I will. I DARE YOU.

There goes Milky again. Talking about Factory workers. He seems fixated. I think maybe Ben is right, he is the Chihuahua mass murderer.

Ben, I expplored your Unicornio playground yesterday. Franlky I found it disturbing. The minute we walked in some trolls started whitsling and yelling at us to set down with them. It was so dark I could not even determine their gender let alone their looks. I might have stayed awhile, but Noe spooked and bolted for the door. I did not have the courage to stay alone.

SO whats your secret? Drink lots of carrot juice, use night vision gogles or what? That place is dark.

And whats up with the coud of flies hovering at the entrance. Is that part of your elaborate defense to keep other mongers out of your playground? LOL

The last few times I have been in Unicornio, transexuals were the one thing I did not worry about. All the talent was TOO FUCKING UGLY to be a tv/ts...

Milk,

Are you going Saturday?

Hi
Yes i may.
I will inbox you if i do ok ?
What would you like to do ?

Baster , I still don't know your MO.
Do you hit the ficha bars or Adelitas/CC

You seem like it would be easy for you to score at some of these Factory worker pickup places.

Thanks for yesterday we all had a great time.
post will be up soon

take care
Milkmurderer

Milk, I am 99% sure I will be in TJ Saturday. Please e-mail me at brfjhc@hotmail.com.

I don't currently have inbox, as I didn't pay for renewal. This is nothing against Hombre, I just tried to cut down addiction to this site. I am not doing well on this end, though.

To recap so far:

Ben has accused me of being a mathematician and a pervert.
Byron has accused me of being a psychologist and a color blind dog.
Blazers has accused me of being a closet Celtics fan
Dazed has accused me of being a standup (comedian)
Iluvputas has accused me (us) of needing decaf
Kendricks has accused me of tucking tail and of being a shill for the privileged class.
Milkman has accused me of being a good guy
MrBill has accused me of being Dogster.com
Powerslave has accused me of being a worthless piece of shit intellectual
Redongdo has accused me of being a cop
Superman has accused me of being Sam
Sampson has forgotten to accuse me of something

I am Dogster
And I write the songs.

Kendricks, you are about to become marinated dog meat, once I eviscerate your distorted views.. While you were whacking off on that pathetic physicsclassroom.com website, I was reaping the benefits of clitoral-vaginal Doppler in the Zona Norte (there is a difference between tucking tail and fucking tail…). Thus, I live a good life – better than Ben’s. (Uh, Ben – PLEASE don’t forget to put me in your will. PLEASE? I’ll even become an arch conservative, wear a suit, and read the Wall Street Urinal if necessary. And I’ll read the Economist regularly so I’ll know how to think as a member of the Bourgois Power Elite Nouveaux Riche. Just don’t make me drink scotch. Yeccchh.). Anyway, on my way to the Zona Norte biological imperative experience, where I got Darwinian with a favorita, I saw a bumper sticker that evoked a chuckle: “Save a horse. Ride a cowgirl.”

But I digress. Anyway, I had to re – calibrate my apparatus before I could instruct you and Byron in life, the universe, and everything related to physics, color, mom, apple pie and Chevrolet. In case you haven’t noticed, physicists are flukes of the universe who have no right to be here and mentally masturbate until they either (a) become teachers, (b) become psychotic, (c) invent the atomic bomb, (d) become urban terrorists, (e) become some of the above, or (f) become all of the above. Kendricks, I’m not sure how you found your physicsclassroom.com website. They seem to have botched everything related to the physics of color and of light, and they OBVIOUSLY need to get laid. I’ve created a 12 step program for y’all and Byron to work through while your “stock” (etc) is down.

Step one: Admit that you are powerless over your addiction to faulty information, ignorance and propaganda.

Step two: Acknowledge that the only constant in the universe is change. Or should I say, the only true constants are (1) change and (2) the MacDonalds’ Big Mac. But since #2 is a tool of the global military industrial complex, we’ll skip over this detail.

Step three: Understand that colored light does not exist. Rather, what does exist is visible radiation of different wavelengths. If there were no observer, there would be no color. Newton pointed this out when he said, “For the rays, to speak properly, are not colored. In them is nothing else than a certain Power and Disposition to stir up a sensation of this or that colour.” Thus when we speak in physical terms about things that evoke color sensations, we should speak of radiation of different wavelengths, since the sensations of red, green, blue, or any other color reside in the observer. The planet is rife with chemists, physicists, engineers, computer scientists, biologists, physiologists, psychologists, brain scientists, linguists, philosophers and mongers who don’t get this elemental concept. So they babble incessantly about “blue light, green light,” “ROYGBIV”, etc. To speak properly, you do not go to the “red light district.” This general confusion would be acceptable if each color was characteristic of a distinct wavelength. But such is not the case. (I, Dogster, will rescue you from your ignorance. You are welcome). AND, the “red shift” of a star's spectrum IS a subjective phenomenon. Of course the perceptual shift in color is due to physical changes. But using the eye-brain unit to measure spectral changes leads to errors in the atmospheric sciences. Wilt could never understand this, but Russell and Kareem could.

Step four: Once you work past step three, you must understand that wavelength does not correspond to color, and also recognize that the Luddites who publish such spew are mistaken. Kendricks, this is where your brain seems to be turning into melted Tupperware. Any wavelength can be perceived as any color. To understand this, consider the concept of “color constancy” – objects are perceived as being a constant color despite changes in the spectral composition of the illuminant. For example, a tree looks green whether it is illuminated by the sun, the moon, or artificial light (of various wavelengths). The visual brain works overtime to make sure that objects in the world remain color constant despite the nature of the illuminant. To achieve this remarkable inference, the visual system must discount the spectral composition of the light entering the eye. In other words, the visual system is not interested in assigning a “color” to a light. It is interested in determining the constant color of an object. To achieve color constancy, the visual system cannot rigidly assign specific colors to specific wavelengths. There are plenty of other scientific demonstrations of how wavelength and color are not equivalent. And there are plenty of examples of how physicists, etc. make monumental mistakes when they do not appreciate this essential point.

Step five: Understand that color is not determined at the level of the retina. Now Byron, you say that “But, at the level of retina, color detection is much simpler than what you are saying.” Allow me to shatter your illusion here. You start by saying that “In human, there are three different opsin proteins (red, green, and blue) that are activated by different wavelengths of light.” Whilst it has been believed for years that there are three classes of opsin proteins (four if you include Rhodopsin), modern molecular genetics indicates that there are many subclasses of these proteins. Numerous individuals have erroneously called these “red”, “green” and “blue” but this is an egregious error. Those Who Know refer to short-wavelength-sensitive, middle-wavelenth-sensitive, and long-wavelength-sensitive opsins, cones, etc. (alternatively, they are sometimes called alpha, beta, and gamma. Labeling these opsins “red”, “green, and “blue” confuses everything because: (1) the pigments themselves never appear to be these colors (before or after “bleaching” by light), (2) the neural color signals from these photopigments, their cones, etc. are not anything resembling red, green and blue, and (3) knowing the pattern or responses from the three cone types does NOT tell you the color.

Step six: Understand that the trichromatic code (retina) does not fully determine color. The activation ratios for the three cones do indeed play a role in determining color, but other factors such as spatial and temporal variables, not to mention all that nervous system stuff between your eye and your brain, all have a say in determining color. Knowing cone signals alone therefore does not tell you about color. It is not so simple as you say, Sir Byron. But if you continue to wallow in ignorance on this point, you will have plenty of company. I should add that your last comment, “At the level of retina, however, a wavelength defines a color,” is not really correct. While it is true that cones are wavelength sensitive, there are other factors that influence output, e.g. long-range lateral connections, top-down neural processing, etc.

Step seven: Understand (Byron) that the existence of color blindness supports the points I am making. Byron, your explanation of the genetics is somewhat oversimplified. Of course, the bottom line is that there is huge variability across people, and species when it comes to color. Dramatic examples include color blindness types. The fact that color blindness exists is further evidence that wavelength and color are not equivalent.

Step eight: recognize that those who cling to their erroneous notions despite Dogster’s wisdom are simply lesser beings.

Step nine: Accept that these lesser beings, though flawed, deserve our compassion, grace, tolerance, patience, good intentions and brutal ridicule.

Step ten: Acknowledge Dogster as a force greater than yourself.

Step eleven: re-acknowledge Dogster as a force greater than yourself

Step twelve: get laid frequently.


Yours in whoring (you fucking scumbags)

=Dogster=

First, I meant the good type of pervert.

Second, I can't believe I actually read your complete post.

Third, I feel I would have to adopt you to add you to my will and you can see how completely ridiculous that would be. Milky would really be pissed.

Fourth, Ahora drives to fast.

Fifth, Sampson is working so hard at being monogamous he didn't have time to slander you.

Sixth, Byron should go back to writing poetry.

Seventh, I would be careful about pissing Kendricks off. You know that Dahlmer thing. Thinks everyone would like to be like Jeffery.

Eighth, Celtics best center was Russel, but most admired by me was Dave Cowens.

Ninth, Totally ignore Redongdo as he is cruel and very strange. Not like you and me.

Tenth, Not sure you are sam, but I am now thinking you might be Son of Sam.

Eleventh, I suspect you are a communist. Anyone who defames "The Wall Street Journal" is anarchist at best. Not in the good way.

Twelfth, You are a force that is greater than I or is it me.

Benwithtomuchtimeonhishands

i'm giving up on the monogomamous thing and start working on becoming sexually active.

Dogster, you fuck, you are missing the forest for the trees, and focussing on the exception rather than the rule. I'm sure some of the weaker minded may have fallen for your trickery, but any thinking person can see through you in a second.

Dogster sed "In other words, the visual
system is not interested in assigning a “color” to a light. It is interested in determining the
constant color of an object."

Well, where do you think that constant color comes from? From the color associated to the wavelength reflected from that object in an unadulterated environment. The fact that the brian will account for and adjust for ambient interference does not discount the basic premise that the various frequencies of visible light are correlated with perceived colors.

Dogster's ravings are more parlor tricks and pseudointellectual chicanery than a quest for true insight or knowledge. Indeed, if it were not true that the various frequencies of visible light correlated with colors, it would be impossible for the brain to adjust in an attempt to find the "true" color of an object.

You have been out dogstered, dogster. Or should I say "bitchster".... On your knees, you fucking punk!!!

And Ben, I am far more worthy of inclusion in your will than Dogster, as I not only have a subscription to the Economist, I am currently reading Graham's classic work "The Intelligent Invester" (which that Dogster fuck probably never even HEARD of!!!).

Kendrickswhoisbetterthandogsterineveryway

and we wonder why poor Hombre needs to buy 6 more servers for his website.

This thread alone needs its own server


Milky who wants to help TJHombre all he can