Bluestraveller, you are so right (and I mean that in the good way). ;-)

It's funny, but as I was reading your comment about the Bushies being united and cohesive (while the Kerry bunch can't get it together) and I couldn't help but think how effective the ol' National Socialism party was after it got started back in 1920.

Looks like there is a connection between Burkart....the one who forged the documents and Max Clevland....a high ranking Kerry aide.....is story is only going to get bigger!

Burkett called Cleland about some rant about Bush, Cleland never got back to him.

I just saw this Reuters headline (2004-09-03) and smiled: Bush and Kerry Hit Road, Trade Blows on Jobs. I imagine there were a few dyslectics out there spitting coffee through there noses.

API article posted on that liberal rag, The Washington Times (sarcasm)

Commentary: Iraq's bridge too far

Excerpts:

Off the record conversations with intelligence chiefs in five major European countries -- each with multiple assets in Iraq -- showed remarkable agreement on these points
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-- Iraq was a diversion from the war on a global movement that was never anchored in Baghdad.
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-- Iraq does not facilitate a solution to the Mideast crisis. And without such a solution, the global terrorist movement will continue to spread.
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-- Iraq has become a magnet for would-be Muslim jihadis the world over; it has greatly facilitated transnational terrorism.

Five major Europeans countries that were illegaly participating in the OIl for Food program and profitting billions of dollars from it.

Iraq has become a magnet because no Musilm country in the region wants to see free elections because they fear so much if free elections happen in Iraq they will spread to their countries!

>>>Iraq has become a magnet because no Musilm country in the region wants to see free elections because they fear so much if free elections happen in Iraq they will spread to their countries!<<<

It looks like what Beachman is unknowingly saying is that Iraq is now hopelessly fucked up and there is no way to unfuck it.

It doesn't matter what Beachman thinks, Iraq is a mess, the Bush people have gotten us into a tar baby situation. Just wait until the day after the election, when Bush admits how bad it is. Even while Beachman is dancing for joy after the election, Bush will be pronouncing the bad news, assuming he wins. If he loses, then Beachman will start posting every day how bad Iraq is, and how its all Kerry's fault.

"... Europeans countries that were illegaly participating in ..."

Um, Beachman, do you have any idea how many illegal activities the United States government participants in? I'm not talking Republicans and Democrats, now, I mean the government. Man, it would make your hair stand up.

Let see Dan Rather finally admits....fake documents.

Even Burkett tells Dan Rather he insisted the documents be authenicated before CBS used them....on top of all the so called experts CBS had look at the documents who told CBS the documents were not authenic and CBS still insisted on running the story. You liberals still want to say main sream media is not liberal....and this is only one story!

No connection to the Democratic National Party or top Kerry aides? It now looks like Joe Lockhart had a conversation with Burkett just a couple of days before CBS aired the story.....but Lockhart insist that the documents were not discussed. Also....Burkett call Max Cleland on his cell phone.......like anyone has access to TOP Kerry aides cell phone numbers. Sonds fishy to me and many others......this story is far from over.

Can they cover it up for at least six more weeks?

The snowball is getting bigger....even the liberal USA Today cannot bury this story on page 9 or 10 anymore. Even now the CBS producer.... Mary Mapesadmits that that Kerry Aide Joe Lockhart call Bill Burkett before CBS aired the story.

Doesn't it bother any of you liberals that CBS News and a high-level advisor, Joe Lockhart coordinate a personal attack on President Bush based on forged documents.

Could you imagine if someome from the Republican Party had forged document with Whitewater on Clinton and then there had been a discovery that the Republicans had coordinated with FOX News to aire a story . Oh....I forgot those papers mysteriously show up from Hillary on a table at the White House with the incriminating documents missing.

Oh yeah.....one of CBS experts who they first said authenicated the Bush papers ....is the same expert who said the Vince Foster suicide note was authenic!

Yeah, it looks pretty bad, Beachman. Almost as bad as sending our boys into harms way because someone lied about 1) Bin Laden and Saddam being in cahoots 2) Iraq having weapons of mass destruction 3) Iraq posing an imminent threat to the United States and 4) tax cuts helping the poor.

But, hey, it's worth it if we can help Bush and Chaney's pals get richer, eh? Never mind that we'll be paying the price for decades (in increased terrorism and a staggering debt load).

Beachman,

I got to agree with you on this. But I don't think that this issue no matter how it turns out will impact the election. Almost everyone has made up their mind on who they are going to vote for.

I also agree with the Republicans that the issue of terrorism and national security will be the issue that will sway the remaining 5-10% of swing voters in the key states. On top of that, Kerry has not done a good job pointing out a) the flaws in the Republican strategy, and b) what he would do differently if he were in office.

It looks like in most of the swing states the polling shows Bush is up....even in New Jersey which was not even a swing state to begin with.

Kerry if flipping again.....Bush won't even have to show up at the debates......Kerry can debate himself!

Beachie:

Don't let a temporary rise in the polls get you too excited, if you rely on early polls, then Howard Dean is your president of the USA.

My question is why you are so reluctant to talk about the main issues of the day, like Iraq, and instead focus on transitory election trivia that will be forgotten next year. Are you suggesting that we also focus on this off-topic crap, or should we ignore you and get on with discussions of the important stuff?

Explorer....your canidate John Kery has no ideal on his position on Iraq.....even the liberal Imus after his radio interview with Kerry was banging his head against the wall not understanding Kerry! Even on Lettermann last night he was saying something different than what he was saying today on Iraq!

Now ....even Chris Mathews of Hardball is saying it looks like a conspiracy with high ranking Kerry aides....Lockhart, McCuliffe, Mary Cahill. And it turns out Lockhart was the one who called Burkett after Mapes (the CBS producer) gave Burkett's phone number to Lockhart.

This is a breach of the fundemental understanding of the Constitution. The press is supppose to be seperate from the political parties not and arm of the Democratic Party!

Now the question is ......what did John Kerry know about this scandal and when did he know it?

If this story was about the Swift Boat Vets the liberal press would be all over the Bush Camp!

The polls......nobody knew much about Howard Dean and as soon as they did he was toast....that and Al Gore endorsed him!

Now that the American people are finding out that in 19 years in that Senate he has basically done nothing and in fact does't even show up for the majority of Senate Intelligence meetings the undecided's are starting to decide!

While conservative propaganda media continue to dazzle simple-minded parrot-sheep with CBS, the Bush Administration continues their assault on civil liberties, in this case related to "the hobby".

Troops may be tried for using prostitutes - Seattle Post Intelligencer
http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/national/apwashington_story.asp?category=1152&slug=Military%20Prostitutes

DoD Fights Human Trafficking With Training, Awareness - Department of Defense
http://www.defenselink.mil/news/Sep2004/n09212004_2004092109.html

Note the lack of differentiation between human trafficking and consensual prostitution, in the simplistic eyes of Bush, Ashcroft, and the rest of their ilk, it's all the same thing.

Conservaties that support Bush while at the same time engaging in "immoral" behavior continue to befuddle me. Be thankful you are not a soldier under W. I'm waiting to hear the spin to explain that Bush will stop at the military and that this is not a first step against all "degenerate Americans" that frequent prostitutes.

(Thanks to Yujin for mentioning the first article on the Asia discussion board.)

I must say that I am really looking forward to the debates. They'll surely be the first I've ever bothered to watch. I'm not interested in each candidate's platform ... no, I'm tuning in strictly for the entertainment value. I imagine Bush and his puppet masters are crappin' in their pants knowing what a tenuous grip Bush has on the English language and on constructive argumentation in general.

Explorer posted this link elsewhere. At first I wasn't going to read it, I'm really glad I did. THIS should be made into a movie.

http://www.whatareyouvotingfor.com/

In particular, check out pages 8-9 and 16-19.

Beachie sez:

"This is a breach of the fundemental understanding of the Constitution. The press is supppose to be seperate from the political parties not and arm of the Democratic Party! "

Can you provide a link to the article of the Constitution that was violated? While you are at it, please tell us why Robert Novak outing a CIA analyst based on information from the White House was OK with you.

As of last night....the Chicago Tribune says Dan Rather still insist the documents were not forged.

Ben Barnes ....Bill Burkett....Joe Lochart......Terry McCuliffe....Max Cleland...CBS News....to many connections with the The Democratic Party and Top ranking Kerry aides and CBS News.

What did John Kerry know andwhen did he know it.


Oh yea...John Kerry said in 2002 "if you don't think Sadamm has nuclear weapons or is trying to get them then you shouldn't vote for me."

I guess now he cant't even vote for himself!

Why is it that Sen. Kerry has not published his voting record on national defense, and enviromental issues? He has a track record why does he not run on it?

His flip flopping liberal record will come up in the debates. You have to remember.....his Senate record is more liberal than Kennedy.... the other senator from Massachusetts.

The senators from Massachusetts know how to spend and manage federal money. The Big Dig a construction project in Boston.....ended up costing about 5 times as much as originally estimated due to fraud and labor disputes. Billions of dollars more of not only state money ....but mostly FEDERAL money was spent and the senators of Massachusetts did nothing as the cost keep accelerating each year! We are talking of Billions of dollars in one city.....what would happen with the whole country!

Liberal record? What the hell is wrong with being a liberal, Beachman? Go back up through the thread and read the definition I posted a while back and tell me what it is you don't like about liberalism.

Spending money? Well, I agree with you on the Big Dig (Big Waste Of Resources if you ask me). They should have just tripled the cost of parking in Boston and used the funds to build a better mass transit system like London.

So, tell me Beachman, do you agree with Bush that we should spend billions on a missile defense system?

Beachie sez:



Oh yea...John Kerry said in 2002 "if you don't think Sadamm has nuclear weapons or is trying to get them then you shouldn't vote for me."


Link, please.

Beachie sez:

"Billions of dollars more of not only state money ....but mostly FEDERAL money was spent and the senators of Massachusetts did nothing as the cost keep accelerating each year! We are talking of Billions of dollars in one city.....what would happen with the whole country!"

Errr ... this project was conducted by the state of Massachusetts, which since 1990 has had Republican governors. Senators have no oversight role over state projects.

BTW, the reason that the Big Dig went over budget was, let's see, Reagan dragged his heels in approval of the project, so inflation caused the initial budget to be out of whack; the Republican Governor required that a major bridge segment be redesigned for aesthetic reasons; and the contractor screwed up one other bridge.


Please provide links to your earlier assertions, or we will have to start assuming that you just make shit up while you are drunk.

"Why is it that Sen. Kerry has not published his voting record on national defense, and enviromental issues? He has a track record why does he not run on it? "

Duuuuhhh, this is all public record. Kerry is running for President, BTW, not the Senate.

LOL. Re: Spending Money.

Let's not get facts in the way of a good argument.

"Vowing to be a good steward of the public's money, President Bush sent to Capitol Hill Monday a $2.2 trillion 2004 budget that calls for hundreds of billions in tax cuts and shows a record federal deficit of $304 billion"

http://www.cnn.com/2003/ALLPOLITICS/02/03/bush.budget/

What is more fiscally responsible? Democrats were labeled as tax and spend. Seems too logical to me. You tax to generate revenue and then spend it. Bush spends, but lowers revenue and then BORROWS money so he can spend.

And who cares that Bush inherited a 250 billion budget surplus. He sure pissed that away rather quickly with unnecessary tax cuts to the wealthiest 1%. But hey, at least I got my $300 so now Bush can say proudly and misleadingly that he lowered taxes for all Americans without telling the entire story.

The budget deficit in 2004 was 477 billion!

Here is a neat flash video from Ben Cohen of Ben and Jerry's ice cream. He lays out the federal budget quite nicely using oreo cookies.

http://ww11.e-tractions.com/truemajority/run/oreo?rd=436

Whoa, good one, Xenono. Here's another for you. A couple of weeks before 2001-09-11, Ben wrote an interesting article entitled Wanted: Enemy to Justify $344 Billion War Budget. Check it out, it's an eye-opener.

d'Artagnan, that comic is powerful stuff. I hope to God someone's printing it and leaving it lying around for regular folks to find.

Is it just wishful thinking, or did George W. look like he was on the verge of a nervous breakdown during his press conference this morning?

I don't know if this website has been brought up before but it's got great info and great links.

http://www.liberaloasis.com/

A Big Increase of New Voters in Swing States
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/09/26/politics/campaign/26vote.html

This is really, really important.

Unfortunately, the only data presented was from Ohio.

For Beachman:

"Troops angry over no-hookers plan

RHEIN-MAIN AIR BASE, Germany, Sept. 27 (UPI) -- U.S. troops stationed in Germany are upset over plans to change the Uniform Code of Military Justice to make paying for sex a punishable offense."

Bad news for Kerry supporters:

National presidential preference polls

Associated Press/Ipsos
Bush 52, Kerry 45, Nader 1

CNN/USA Today/GALLUP
Bush 55, Kerry42, Nader 3

CBS News/New York Times
Bush 51, Kerry 42, Nader 3

NBC/Wall Street Journal
Bush 50, Kerry 46, Nader1

George Washington University Battleground
Bush 46, Kerry 39, Nader 1

FOX News/Opinion Dynamics
Bush 46, Kerry 42, Nader 1

Zogby
Bush 46, Kerry 43, Nader 1

Rasmussen
Bush 49, Kerry 45

Pew
Bush 47, Kerry 46, Nader 1

Source: San Diego Union Tribune, 26 Sept 04

Roadglide
Unfortunately the worst news for Kerry supporters is Kerry. This guy makes Mike Dukakis look like a Kennedy. My grandfather should be able to hold his own in a poll against Bush. The fact that Kerry cannot speaks volumes about his totally inneffectual campaign. Even his supporters cannot figure out where the guy stands from day to day. His interview with Diane Sawyer was a disaster. He was afraid to give a straight answer to any question. However Bush's tough" interview" with Bill O'Reilly was a much bigger joke. Talk about softball set up questions and easy answers. O'Reilly answered most of the questions he asked as he was still asking them. Then he had the gall to say Bush was " brave" to subject himself to an unstructured interview. Only on Fox "News" Channel !!

Don't get me wrong I'm still voting for Kerry- but more so against Bush who I think is truly the most decietful and malevolent President we have ever had. Four more years of this guy could ruin democracy and free speech forever.
He should have included himself in his axis of evil.

Roadglide:

As a dedicated Bush supporter, why don't you go down to Ashcroft's office and say in the spirit of Bush's presidency you would like to turn yourself in for mongering, and would like a nice long prison sentence to make Bush happy. You would then be able to consider yourself ahead of the curve and would set a good example for your fellow Bush (and I don't mean that in a good way) lovers.

Polls Shmolls! Ask any Statistician, the way they do these polls, they really have an error margin of plus or minus 15% Remember all the polls that said Dean was going to win the New Hampshire primary. He came in 3rd!

I've done more campaign volunteering this year than I have since I was in college. Handing out Kerry/Edwards info at Back to School Nights, putting up signs on the sides of roads, I may even do some canvassing this weekend. All I can really say, is that there are a lot of new voters signing up and a lot of Democrats on the grass-roots level are more organized than I ever thought possible.

Cat you can just keep on campaigning all ya want. When Bush wins, you can swing by Palm Beach and pick up a dimpled chad. Years from now it will be as valuable as a Dukakis campaign button.

It is correct that Kerry is behind in the polls, just as Bush was behind a while ago. So what?

I posted here two months ago the scenario, that Bush would get a bounce from the convention, but that the race would tighten up at the end. Anyone who is surprised by the last polls showing the race tightening was born yesterday.

DG,

I'm just waiting for the next batch of hurricanes to blow the chads up North!

Wow, 4 hurricanes in two months. I wonder what all the good Christian Republicans are thinking of it?

By the way, I banged 3 French girls in Montreal this past weekend, and they were all excellent.

Cat:

You mean 3 Canucks, doncha?

BS (who will be in Porto Alegre tomorrow, banging gauchas )

The national polls are not what concern me. What concerns me is that Kerry is trailing in Pennsylvania, Florida, Ohio, Michigan, Wisconsin, Minnesota, Iowa, New Mexico, and only has a marginal lead in New Jersey.

Kerry has to win Pennsylvania, Michigan, Wisconsin, Minnesota, Iowa and New Mexico just like Gore and also pickup either Florida or Ohio.

I would agree that W has all the momentum now and it is his campaign to lose. Democrats need to find better campaign managers than Mary-Beth Cahill and Donna Brazile. It doesn't help that both of their candidates were stiffs, but we need another James Carville type running a national campaign.

I am now 90% convinced Bush will win re-election, which has me completely bummed. It is not going to stop me from voting, but it sure has me dreading more freedoms being taken away via the Patriot Act II, a bigger budget deficit (what will W drive it up to, 600, 700, 800 billion?) a war in Iraq we cannot win, more tax cuts for big business and the wealthy while middle America gets screwed, higher health care costs that are spiraling out of control, no more porn, no more mongering, etc.

If you think W has been conservative up until this point, you ain't seen nothing yet. Wait until he has four more years and doesn't have to worry about running for re-election. Someone who first ran as being a “uniter and not a divider” has been one of the most divisive figures that the world (and this country) have EVER seen. He may try to set things up for Jeb, but that won't hold him back much. He is really going to take off the gloves now. Bush and Ashcroft part II is going to be an unmitigated disaster for this country.

I fear a Bush second term much more than I fear another terrorist strike. Every day we move closer and closer to living in a totalitarian society. It is baby steps fore sure and it won't happen overnight, but I see little things happening every day/week that move us in this direction. Bush and Ashcroft have done so much to curb constitutional freedoms and this administration has been one of the most secretive and secluded ever.

Ashcroft, sworn to uphold the constitution has sure done a good job of ripping it to shreds and wiping his ass with it.

I am listening to the debate now. Bush sounds like a drunk in a bar. Its kind of sad. A high school kid could do better, Bush is really unsure of himself, except when he remembers some statistic, then he is happy.

Kerry is fucking Bush right up the ass, in a very non-homo fashion

I just can't figure out how awkward Bush seems on some questions. He is getting a little looser as things progress, but at times he seems like he is pleading with the audience.

In a debate you can string sound bites together for only so long until they start to sound like gibberish.

I've always liked this Einstein quote:

"Make everything as simple as possible, but not simpler."

Bush should read it, or better yet, have someone explain it to him. He's way too simplistic. No depth of thought at all. He's just too stupid to be President.

By Beachman on Monday, September 20, 2004 - 07:13 am: Edit

Looks like there is a connection between Burkart....the one who forged the documents and Max Clevland....a high ranking Kerry aide.....is story is only going to get bigger!

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You know, this kind of post really demonstrates some people's lack of perspective.