Imagine you COULD BE an omnipotent, omniscient being, who created a bunch of people. Would you WANT to? Imagine how incredibly boring and maddening your existence would be once the novelty wore off. Your only hope would be to create FREE WILL.

With FREE WILL, the possibilities expand. Each individual then becomes a challenge for which you must put forth effort. It is in the effort, challenge, risk, successes, and failures that existence can be enjoyable, or even bearable.

Naturally, you would have to rely on FAITH. There absolutely must be doubt regarding your existence, proof cannot exist, otherwise there could be no FREE WILL. Would you want your creations doing only what you want and determine based soley on threats (Hell) and bribery (Heaven)? Or, would you want them to develop good judgement and do what is best/right because it is best/right?

Could a father take any pride in a son whose every single action is controlled/determined/dictated? He would have no reason to. The best father would only guide and love his son, and have FAITH that ultimately the son would develop into a full person with good judgement and character.

How long would you or could you play a game where it is impossible for you to lose?

You are caught in a logical trap here. If you were truly omniscient, you would know what your creations would do with their so-called free will. Thus, omniscient beings and coexisting beings with truly free will are mutually exclusive.

I would call that point a paradox. I don't think that invalidates my entire post nor the entire concept of religion. In fact, it could be argued that the paradox is necessary to create doubt. Most of my post was about FREE WILL and FAITH anyways.

Imagining that I am an omniscient god who created people who's futures I cannot predict is like imagining that I am a square circle. A logical contradiction, in other words.

Do you beleive that such a god exists? If so, what is he like? Please describe to me what you believe in, and why you believe it.

You are still not focusing, trying to argue a minor point I've already stated wasn't the gist of my post. "Most of my post was about FREE WILL and FAITH anyways."

You must answer my main points before I answer your distractive questions.

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By the way, to those of you who read this much later, this whole topic was spawned in response to a topic under Politics titled "Abortion is good", I put it here since it got into Religion.

No, I'm not a bible thumper.

If I was an omnipotent and omniscient god, I would understand that no matter what I create, I would know the outcome. Otherwise, I would not be omnipotent and omniscient. If I were omnipotent, there would be no game that I could not lose.

I would have utter contempt for people who beleived things based soley on threats (Hell) and bribery (Heaven). Like Pascal and Ootie, for example. Thus, I would not create such people.

Since I would be a logical contradiction, though, I would not exist.

Now, what do you believe in?

You are still not focusing, trying to argue a minor point I've already stated wasn't the gist of my post. "Most of my post was about FREE WILL and FAITH anyways."

You must answer my main points before I answer your distractive questions.

No, I have answered your main points. You asked what I would do if I were an omnipotent, omniscient god. I have answered you. Since I would be unable to create beings that truly had free will (due to my omniscience), I would not be omnipotent. Thus, I would be a logical conclusion, and could not exist.

Hypothetically, even if I could exist despite the facts that I were a logical contradcition, I would despise any person who believed in me based upon threats of damnation, or promises of heavenly rewards. I would love people who had the balls to stand up to these threats, and use their own minds.

Thus, if I were God, I would despise and torment people like Pascal and Ootie for all of eternity, and richly reward people like Nietzsche and Kendricks. Nietzsche and Kendricks would be kings, and those who had faith in christianity would be their lowly jizz cleaners, for all of eternity.

That's what I would do if I were god!!!

You majorly whiffed FOUR times in this thread. Good thing this isn't baseball cause people would be laughing at you back in the dugout.

Ignore "omnipotent" and "omniscient" which were EXACT COPIES of words you had used in your abortion post and focus on my main points, the importance of "FREE WILL" and "FAITH" to religion.

In case you missed my main points, they are about the importance of "FREE WILL" and "FAITH" to religion.

"Free Will" can only exist in the absence of an omnipotent, omniscient god. Even then, there are secular theories that free will is an illusion, and that all behavior is determined by biology, past conditioning, and current stimuli.

"Faith", in the context of religion, is the belief in something that there is no valid reason to believe. It is garbage, in other words.

I have also responded to your question of what I would do if I were a god. The fact that you don't like my answers is not relevant - that is more a function of the irrational nature of yoru questions than anything else.

Now, it is your turn - what exactly is it that you beleive in, and why do you believe this?

If I were God, I'd eliminate amateur philosophy discussions on the internet.



Or, at least, I'd create some kind of instant access to cogent arguments from philosophical history, so that everybody and his brother didn't go around and around on subjects that concerned more miscommunication and reinventing the wheel, than the question at hand.

"I'd create some kind of instant access to cogent arguments from philosophical history."

You don't have to be a god to do this. They are called "hyperlinks", have been around for quite some time now, and can be created quite easily by mere mortals.

Here is a good hyperlink that debunks religious faith, for example: http://www.skepdic.com/faith.html

Rather weak responses to my points and STILL focused on your fascination with the "omni" words, but responses nonetheless.

The question was a rhetorical one, as were the ones at the end of the original post. This post was a statement, not a "What would you do?"

As for my personal beliefs, I do not subscribe to nor promote any particular religion. I do not engage in any common religious practices.

You would likely agree with me on my thoughts about many organized religions. However, while you seem to say "If some of it isn't true, none of it is true", I say "I believe there is some truth".

Why do I believe these things? From personal observation and experience. I realize I do not have all the answers, which is why I don't typically go around trying to prove or disprove religion. This topic was offered as a possibility regarding religion, not proof of existence. You'll see the original post has absolutely no statements regarding what religion is or isn't, such as "Religion is bullshit".

BookGuy, it's all Kendrick's fault. I logged on today intending to post about sex in Argentina and Brazil.

This is a very weak response. Do you believe in the existence of a god or gods? Do you believe in the existence of heaven and hell? Do you believe in the devil, demons, and guardian angels? Do you believe that humans beings have an immortal soul? Do you believe that we can petition the Lord with prayer?

Have you accepted Me into your heart as your Personal Lord and Savior?

As far as this thread goes, don't blame ME - hell, you were the one who started it!!!

Ma!...He hit me and said Santa Claus doesn't exist. Well you started it!

What do you mean "IF"??

Just
Curious

I would have the best women, the best weed, and the best food. I would be incapable of damaging my liver. The boring thing would be all the jokers pondering whether I exist, thinking that I need to be worshiped, etc. I would strike dead anyone who manipulates others, collects money, etc in my name. Also, I would strike my sister-in-law dead to set my brother free of her. I might think of a few other things.

I'd keep the world warm all the time, so no one ever needed cloths...

I never toaught about it..
but then again, isnt this site supposed to be about mongering ??
not religion??
it show that some of you are still afraid of death !!.
why would anyone ask these kind of questions ?

If I were god, I would make every girl have natural 36d cups, long legged, and throbbing pussies. Added to the mix would be that they are free of feelings of guilt and feel compelled to fuck anyone and everyone. They will age internally, but not externally in terms of physical features (i.e. never sagging tits or rice bellies!)

If I were god I would immediately smote Happy_Monge so he would stop posting idiotic comments in annoying syntax under every thread on this board.

If I were God I would strike dead any person who tried to brown nose me by going to church, temple, synagogue, etc., or even engaging in personal prayer.

Oh, and I would supply myself with an endless stream of beautiful and enthusiastic hookers.

I would banish Happy_monge and Redbus to Tijuana for eternity. They would be forced to have bareback sex with unenthusiastic street girls.

All stds would cease to exist (except among street girls in TJ).

God (that's me) would have his pick of Brazilian hookers, gratis of course.

Heaven would be an upscale version of VIP's Millenium Suite.

Branquinho reminded me, the endless stream of beautiful and enthusiastic hookers would of course be gratis, although I suppose if they insisted on being paid I would give them some God funny money, straight off God's printing press.

If we all realized that we actually are nothing BUT God, no one would show up for any of the wars and all the world's problems would ease away in very little time. But instead, we are manipulated to believe we are small, and emersed in as much fear as they can dish out to us from all media angles possible

What do you mean by the word "if" as in "What if you were God"?

You are God...because if you are not...then who is?

Dear God...I don't ask for much...but please banish The Happy Monger into the dark Abyss of TJ for all enternity. Also, please take his keyboard away and what little load he can muster-up...we don't want him procreating.

Thank you.

AJ

Ya know something, the Happy Monger is correct. This site is not about religion, thank God, unless we are talking about the Religion of mongering, which is no more dysfunctional than any other of the worlds organized religions. In fact, mongering is probably more humanistic. Humanism and religion do not mix, and who says that religion has anything to do with God...........it doesn't. Organized religions are social clicks.

God is about spirituality and humanism. Its about discovering that you are indeed not small; you are everything! You are the great creator of the universe. Mongering? Okay, whats that about? Finding girls to fuck and in the process developing some kind of relationship with them. Sometimes you fuck em one night and say good-bye forever......no harm done, both parties get what they want. Sometimes you keep em around for a while longer and then pay them to leave. All in all, you can add spirituality, God, goodness, to anything you do in life.........and whatever you put out there in whatever you do will come back at you faster than the speed of light. Your thoughts and feelings shape your reality (you are the quantum field!). God is, in a sense, the law of attraction. You reap what you sow, and there is no escaping this law.

I am happy some guy had the courage to mention spirituality here. IMHO, if you are into this line of thinking, you will love the book, CD series and DVD, "The Secret" by Rhonda Byrne.

http://thesecret.tv

Another great one is "What the Bleep do we know."

http://whatthebleep.com

The Secret has especially become my Bible over the past 6 months. Totally changed my life. It is all about God (You) via the law of attraction, and it stays very far away from religion.

One of my favorite spiritual quotes; a kind of affirmation for me that I always have running around my mind it this. Hope it brings you as much fruit as I;

"Feel deep in your heart what it would actually be like if you were conscious of unlimited resources. As if you were being cared for by a bountiful, non-judgemental and generous God. Feel what this is like, and then have faith in this feeling. Feel it as much as possible during the day. Give thanks for the good you now have, and focus only on what you want to happen next. When something becomes such a reality in your mind and heart, that you can actually see and feel it before it actually happens, nothing has the power to prevent it's manifestation in the physical world. The subtle world you create with your thoughts and vibrations (feelings) always creates the physical world you experience. It can never be otherwise."

Hey Happy Monger guy, I believe that many mongers are seekers. They are looking for something beyond the dulldrums of family life, working for a "living" (more like a death), and punching a clock to pay taxes. They seek the finer things in life, and in my experience has been that the mongers I hang with are great guys that enjoy getting close to people. Even if that means a different chica every night.....why not?! What is it about this fucking culture that makes sexuality and sexual play so dirty and bad? You give the impression that all mongers are these sexual perverts and abusers. That has not been my experience, but then again, since I am God, I attract people to me who are like me. Just something to consider.

P.S. - Maybe we can come up with another more appropriate term for what it is we do and talk about here, other than "mongering." Has too much of a feel like the word "Hoarding."

Lets see???????????????............................

"sexual seekers?"
"Marvin Gayites?" (no thats too queer)
"Sexual healers?"
"Sexual dynamos?"
"Pussy lovers?"
"Goddess seekers"

Everything I think of seems to have two words. There just has to be a better term, don't you think?

Whoa. This is getting a bit weird... What's next? Scientology?

When I was a horny teen I recall my buddy asking me, "AJ, if you were God, what would you do?" I remember saying, "I would fuck all the beautiful women of the world." So far...I'm on track.

I agree Elim...most mongerers are regular good guys who just happen to have the wherewithal to step-out of their doldrum life into a carnal worldly life worth living.

We are the fortunate ones IMHO. We all have been given a break...somehow or someway we each received a break in that we learned how to sidestep society's watchful eye so that we can legally and quasi-safely satisfy our carnal urges and still retain our reputation and status within the society we live.

I feel pity for regular good guys who cannot seem to find the door to where we hang-out. Everyday in the US I see good guys stepping through the motions that society morals dictate. I can see they are unhappy...just waiting to grow old and eventually die.

The problem is most good guys simply do not know what we know...they don't know where the door to our magic playland is located or whether it really exists.

When I see these guys...I can read their faces at the grocery store, in the restaurant, at the gas pumps..."what the fuck happened?...she was hot or I was drunk...we were horny....we fucked....she had a kid...so I married her because that is what was expected of me cause I'm a good guy...it was not so bad at first...but now...fuck...look at her! She ballooned-up to 275...her ass is actually fatter than a cows ass! I'd ditch her if I could...but then I'd feel guilty...the kids...the relatives...our friends and neighbors...the pressure to conform to society's expectations".

So what happens most of the time? These unhappy guys find a way cheat...locally. With co-workers in the office, or cheating with their best friend's wife, or driving over to the bad part of town for a piece of an over-priced crack head.

Within 6-months to a year they get caught. Their reputation within society, their standing as a good guy...their life gets ruined. Then the divorce courts rape the guy for being a bad husband and father. Friends, family and co-workers ostracize these guys for breaking society's rules...imagine ostracized by guys who they themselves would like a different piece of ass every so often.

I don't monger where I live because I know I would get caught. The risk is just too great to be fucking around locally. So I don't.

But I know the secret many good guys don't. I maintain a double life as a mongerer...one life is good and wholesome...respectable and admired. The other is good too, but with total freedom and anonymity to become anything or anyone I want. Totally free to fuck beautiful women to my heart's content.

We are mongerers...to those who wish they could do as we do, we are Gods.

AJ

Elim, good stuff. Your comment "...I believe that many mongers are seekers.." hits home, on another board that went defunct, we used to call each other "heatseekers" made famous by, I believe, Robin Williams awhile back. Just enough ambiguity with the precision IMO. Don't know who coined the term "monger or mongerer", but the term is probably not of our own making.

It's short for whoremonger...look it up in Webster's.

HOLY SHIT! Whoremonger IS in the dictionary! What a blast!

Well, for lack of a better term I guess we can call ourselves that.

But my new Panamanian Novia is not a whore, and I am tooooooooooooooooootally enjoying her! She may have a few other gringo novios but who the fuck cares. Maybe I am a noviamongerer? As I mentioned before, I am getting tired of the whore thing; really starting to bore the shit out of me actually. Haven't we all fucked hundreds of whores? It gets old.
200 whores.....avg>$80 a pop.....thats 16 gran right there! Not only boring but expensive! Maybe I should stop thinking about this. In the long run an active novia costs more probably......both on your wallet and your heart.

AJ-
I play softball with a great group of guys local to my area every Sunday. This particular game has been going on for 22 years with different guys coming/going. Some of us have know each other for decades.

We just had our winter sports banquet. The tables usually break up into the different clics; the older guys are talking about their prostates and hoping to get it up some time next month; the young guys are laughing about some girls in the adjacent bars. I totally hear you when you say you can spot miserable guys everywhere you go. Shit, I used to be one of them as well! They are pussy-whipped. Beaten down by a system of morals they believe with robotic retention. They beat off constantly to internet porn and hope they are not discovered.

Men have to take charge IMHO, and learn how to play the game if they are ever going to be happy in this life. For me, that means find something you absolutely LOVE to do, and do it! Work hard at it every day and make it your passion. If you are married with kids, stop fighting with the tired wife who can barely stand after 9 pm since the kids have worn her out. Let her go to sleep and go find yourself a Korean massage parlor to hang out at until you find another steady piece of ass you can have on the side. Unlike you AJ, I believe side relationships are vital to the success of any marriage, and they are only successful if you can have them local to you. I have had a few local girlfriends/fuck-buddies local to me who are willing to be just that for a while, and with the right understandings and truth it works just fine. There are plenty of good looking married women who want to fuck outside the marriage, you just have to put out your feelers. Many young girls as well want to fuck married guys. If you think this is immoral, or unsafe, then the opportunities just will not show up for you. But I do not have to travel to other countries to get laid by other women, although granted, it is a lot easier to get laid by other beautiful and younger women, it is still possible to do this at home anywhere IMHO.

I see these lost men as well. They do not know where to turn. I feel like putting on my costume and flying over to rescue them; but then I realize, I cannot. You can meet some of these guys, they are miserable, sad, beaten, but then if they hear you are happy with your brand of monger solution, they will certainly chastise and judge you. You cannot trust the bulk of them.

You kind of have to be like a closet gay man when you live this kind of life. You know, these closet queers, although they look very normal in the "matrix," are actually craving a bearded blow job later on that night. They want to know if you are interested, so they may give you that secret "gay" handshake (ever had one of them give you that one?), just to feel you out. Who knows, you might say HEY! Thanks! I am a closet gay too! Then you can bang each other in the ass later on that evening and the both of you are happy.

You have to feel out another guy to see if he can handle this information about mongering in the same way. "Ya know Tim, I've found a way to balance my frustrating home life with the wife and kids, and only screwing my wife's fat ass once a month. It involves taking these vacations....." At that moment you can read the signs and tell if they are into it without giving away too much information at once.

What I have learned from doing this, is that about 20% of the guys on my softball squad have extramarital relationships, either with whores or girlfriends, that they are willing to admit. I am sure there are a few others who see whores locally or on vacation that do not admit it, and this is probably another 30% or so. So my rough estimate is that 50% of the miserable guys you meet are probably mongering but just not talking about it, and they need to know that others are in the same boat. The other 50% are living out their lives exactly as they are with little changes.

Right now, my status is married with kids; beautiful but exhausted wife who only wants to get laid once every 6 weeks or so (at least by me from my knowledge). We were fighting a lot at one time a few years back, but then we started going out on dates more often, screw a bit more (maybe every month or 3 weeks now), and I have dropped my expectations of her. We have revitalized our friendship as well from all this, and I tell you, if you are going to be with a woman for the rest of your life, you better like her; she better be your buddy as well, and you better have some level of respect for her; otherwise it will not last.

I have another married woman who is my pal that I screw on the side a few times a week when her husband is out of town. I never met the bloke but I understand he is not a bad guy and probably has a few on the side himself. She is a good looking woman and loves to suck my dick. Then when need be, I have a few extra special places I visit for "happy endings" if you know what I mean, when the need arises and I get desperate....which only happens every few months or so.....but I am never without an avenue for release. I was also screwing this 25 year old who works at a local restuarant, but she smokes and that was a problem for me, but she was a great lay; great pelvic movements while fucking.

So you have to keep yourself open to receive these opportunities, and if you are smart and do it with respect and discretion, it will eventually unfold for you. I believe anyone can do this; then the mongering vacations are just an added bonus. I feel fortunate that I travel to Panama City as much as I do, since this is a pussy capitol in central america and I can get laid so easily it becomes a joke. All in all, I am grateful! What a life this is!

Getting back go God, and that consciousness of God within you; that presence of God you feel in your heart if you focus on it; this is what sustains you through the rest of your life when you get sex out of your system as an addiction and absolute CARNAL (thats your word AJ) necessity. Eventually, when you have had enough sex through the religion of whoremongering, you come to a place where you realize its only sex, and you go deeper into both yourself and the people you are having sex with. This is not something you have to work on or seek; keep up the mongering life-style, and it will eventually and quite naturally happen to you as well.

What does this mean? Well, for me it means peace and freedom. I am not lead around so much by mr. Happy anymore. God (universal force) gave us sex to procreate, and to enjoy at higher levels of consciousness. But like anything else, it expands with knowledge. There are times now I just feel sexual around a woman I am having a conversation with, and I don't even need to touch her. I just smile and speak, and somehow in that exchange we shared something together that was sexual and intimate, just for that moment. I may never even see her again; but the bliss of that MOMENT is what we eventually have to learn to focus on.

I don't think I will ever leave my wife, since I love her deeply and we have a strong connection with our kids and family. I cannot see myself growing older with anyone else and my life would be seriously compromised if anything were to happen to her; I would be lost for a long time. But at the same time, I am able to love the other women I am with for the secondary relationships we have, and they all involve sex and sexual stimulation. I get all the love and companionship I need from my wife and family, and then my sexual desires and interest in the outside world are satisfied by my other relationships. This my friends, is the key! I have never met anyone who can do it all in one marriage or relationship and be totally happy without giving up some part of themselves.

You think whores are expensive? Try divorce!

I think you're reaching the point, Elimgarak, where you are simply no longer interested in the issues this community (CH) is built around.

"...you come to a place where you realize its only sex..."

To paraphrase the Stones, "I know it's only sex, but I like it, like it, yes I do."

Of course it's only sex. And I have no desire to get it out of my system. I don't mystify sex and treat it as a spiritual undertaking. As my Brasilian girlfriend says, "sex is just about pleasure, and what's wrong with sharing pleasure with others?" I hope to enjoy the pleasures of sex as long as my body holds out. And I've never confused sex with affection or relationships. I feel sorry for people who do. They can coexist, but they needn't, and when fucking whores they rarely if ever do.

And you'll have to forgive me if I fail to see the relevance of your philosophical meanderings on god (universal force), bliss, shared moments, etc. to whoremongering. I'd prefer to see a little less self-disclosure and a little more information on where to get a good blowjob.

Commonly accepted alternative terms already exist:
Hobbyist
Hobbying
P4P (pay for play)

IMO, Brazil and Germany are tops for best BJs. If the thrill of public BJs excites you, Germany edges ahead.

Now if they only let you bring cameras into the rooms at the FKKs.

Branquinho: I agree, and I think we are essentially saying the same thing. You've taken that comment I made out of context to the rest of what I said, which kinda makes it seem a bit daft on its own.

I hear what you are saying about whores. Guess I am just one of those folks who cannot separate that they are people as well; but you are correct, that is my problem. Suppose that is why I do the GFE thing more than the whore thing, and last time I looked there seems to be a lot of discussion about GFE's here that interests me at times. Its all up to your own personal perspective.

I forgot about that term "Hobbying." Think I like that one better. I guess that makes me a "Hobbyist" then?

Believe me, if I am traveling to a new place and want to find out where to get the best BBBJ and screw, I'm coming here first. I did think this was a thread on God however (one I did not begin), so I just figured I'd go out of the box a bit since it seemed permitted.

To clarify, IMHO you reach a point where you have had so much sex that you reach the limits of what it has to offer, and you go beyond it. Believe it or not, there is a space beyond it that is even better than it.

A large part of whoremongering, hobbying if you like, comes from our fascination with "sex for hire" when we are boys and teens. We become excited by the fact that this outlet exists for sexual expression when our tightly knit social clics at church, family and school demonstrate otherwise. This becomes our facination with porn. WOW! There are actually girls that fuck like that for money! WOW! They seem to love it as well!

So we mature and go through whatever motions of life we come to responsibly. But that boy inside us is still fascinated with easy sex. So, if he is able and can find the whereforall both financially, ethically and psychologically, he sows his wild oates and has dozens of GFE realationships and screws 500 whores. This is a good thing, not a bad thing.

Although I do not believe I am done yet, I believe I can see the end of my whoremongering days........sometime.....who the fuck knows when that will be, but when it happens I know it will be by with the same choice that I got into it with, and it will not be because my dick no longer works.

IMHO my friend, that is evolution.............................
Don't throw me off this site just yet though.

Of course whores are people. They are people, and they are service providers. I never suggested they aren't "people." But they provide a service -- sex. They don't provide "GFE relationships." They provide "GFE-like" services.

It's not the immature boy inside that enjoys sex with whores. It's the pragmatic man inside me. I like the pleasure of sex without the entanglements of a relationship. I have messy, entangled relationships as well, but sex with putas is simple and straightforward. I call, they come, I pay, they go. I have fun, they make money. This is not something I expect to grow out of. It's actually something I grew into.

Nobody's going to toss you from this site. You're welcome to post what you want here. But I have to say, I find your analysis of the motivations underlying the pursuit of paid sex a bit simpleminded. I never had a "fascination with "sex for hire"" when I was a teen. Nor have I ever been fascinated with porn. Almost all the porn I've seen is stunningly, mindnumbingly boring. I simply like sex. I like it more than my relationship partners do. I like it in varieties that my regular partners don't. So I pay to "scratch that itch" in the same way that I pay to hear a musical performance I know I'll enjoy.

Maybe we are just very different people, Elimgarak, but I've yet to reach that point "where you have had so much sex that you reach the limits of what it has to offer." To be completely honest, I keep discovering new things about sex. And the beauty of sex with whores is that each one approaches sex a bit differently, such that no two fuck sessions are ever the same.

Viva as putas e os homens safados!

(Message edited by Branquinho on February 14, 2007)

Well said, Branquinho!

Yes, we are different people, well said. Fair enough! My writings are my analysis IMHO, as yours are IYHO, and are never intended as a judgement of anything or anyone. We all need to do and say what makes us happy. It appears you have found your niche.

My favorite term: "hobbyist"

Peter: "So Bob, what do you like to do on your off days?"

Bob: "Well, I like to play tennis, hit the golf ball around, and I've been getting into collecting rare coins lately. How about you Peter?"

Peter: "I like to have sex with strange women."

Bob: " ...... You know what, I've got some place I need to be...... uh, I'll catch you later."

Bob is either gay or he has been brainwashed.

Peter is a normal guy. He just made the mistake of assuming Bob was not gay or brainwashed.

AJ

Actually, Peter is gay too, or at the very least bisexual. He is hitting on Peter in the hopes of getting him to join a threesome with some guy on guy action.

Both Peter and Bob should be ashamed of themselves.

Would that threesome be with Peter, Bob and DICK?

Bob: "Hey Peter, how do I know you are gay?"
Peter: "How?"
Bob: "Because your dick smells like shit."
Peter: "Oh just fuck me in the ass already!"