I received the following in an unsolicited newsletter email this morning:

From DEBKA-Net-Weekly: Saddam has Nukes, Opts for Pre-emptive Strike

The latest intelligence assessments reaching DEBKA-Net-Weekly agree that Saddam Hussein has decided to take pre-emptive military action rather than wait for the US hammer to drop. They also detail the horrific arsenal at his disposal for such action. It includes more than 40 nuclear weapons, six to eight of them bombs and nuclear warheads that can be delivered by missile or plane.

In particular, the Iraqi leader has set his sights on hitting US military forces in the Middle East as well as Turkey, Kuwait, Bahrain, Jordan and Israel. He is also determined to reach into the United States itself through proxy terrorists run by Iraqi military intelligence. This latest intelligence consensus supersedes the basic presumption previously held by US and Israeli strategists that Saddam would not launch a counter-strike with unconventional weapons unless attacked first - and then only if he felt his life and regime were in jeopardy.

As for the scope of Iraq's unconventional weaponry, the revised evaluation is the first official confirmation that Saddam possesses up to 40 nuclear devices, probably half of them radiological, or "dirty", bombs with a limited-radius contamination capability; but also apparently six to eight - and perhaps as many as 10 - nuclear bombs and warheads that can be delivered by fighter-bombers or surface-to-surface missiles. Iraqi experts are said to have been instructed in payload assembly and delivery technology by Russian and Eastern European technicians who manpower companies in Belarus and Croatia and whose services Iraq bought with multi-million dollar fees.

Furthermore, says the updated intelligence assessment, Iraq has laid hands on enough enriched Uranium-235 to build another 20 to 30 nuclear devices.

DEBKA-Net-Weekly's intelligence and military experts are convinced that Saddam is the sole arbiter of his government's military priorities. After addressing the Iraqi people over television Thursday, August 8, he broke the news of his decision to take pre-emptive action against America and its allies in the region at an emergency session of the country's military chiefs and senior political officials. He had realized, he explained, that Iraq had the means to circumvent US spy satellites and airplanes and also keep its missiles clear of the Arrow-2 anti-missile batteries Israel had deployed in the Negev and the center for the very purpose of intercepting them. This was possible if Iraq got in its punch against Israel, the United States - or both, powerfully and first - perhaps in days.

Our intelligence sources say Saddam was cagey on specifics, but implied his agents were on their way to set up one or more mega-terror attacks on the scale of the September 11 strikes in New York and Washington. These operatives had gone too far to be recalled, he emphasized. Participants at the meeting came away with the impression that nuclear or biological weapons were to be used. Two revealingly belligerent passages in the Saddam speech were referred to in this respect:

The first related to, without naming, the United States: "The forces of evil will carry their coffins on their backs, to die in disgraceful failure, taking their schemes back with them, or to dig their own graves after they bring death to themselves on all Arab or Muslim soil against which they perpetrate aggression, including Iraq, the land of Jihad and the banner."

The second took aim at Israel: "Charge on, charge on, charge on...the beloved chant is raised, as though our men are circumambulating the Qa'ba or returning to the place from which the Prophet Mohammed, the Messenger of Allah, ascended to God on that Blessed Night, after they cleanse the land of Palestine of Zionist desecration."

Textual analysts employed in intelligence interpret the two phrases as pointing to Israel as the target of the first Iraqi mega attack. The second strike, just as powerful, will be aimed at US military personnel and facilities already in Iraq or posted in Turkey.

Tel Aviv appears to have been singled out for a large-scale strike, as the location of Israel's main military command center and intelligence facilities in and around the city.

The Iraqis see their primary American targets as being their troop concentrations in the Jordanian air bases at Ar Ruwayshid in the east, Wadi el-Murbah to the north and al-Mafraq in the west, furthest away from the Iraqi border.

The Turkish air base at Incirlik is also high on the Iraqi target list. Over the past weeks, Incirlik has become the main rear base of US and Turkish special forces units operating in the Kurdish and Turkmen areas of northern Iraq, near the oil cities of Mosul and Kirkuk.

DEBKA-Net-Weekly's military sources report the United States, Jordan and Turkey have acted on this fresh intelligence input by putting their air forces and missile units on supreme combat alert. No further government directive will be required to launch the warheads against Iraq's biggest cities should, at some stage, an important American or Israel city come under a catastrophic terrorist attack.

Aware that Israel tops the Saddam list of targets, the authorities in Jerusalem unexpectedly announced on Wednesday, August 14, the distribution to the civilian population of Lugol capsules against iodine radiation, as well as the first round of vaccinations against smallpox for 60,000 to 100,000 military, medical and rescue team personnel, who are most in risk of exposure to the weaponized strain of this otherwise eradicated disease.

Israeli prime minister Ariel Sharon's office moreover orchestrated a strategic leak to the media of a plan detailing operational defensive and reactive measures against aerial or missile attacks that the Israeli air force commander had just put before the defense cabinet

As part of the same response, 4,000 American troop reinforcements began landing at Jordan's Aqaba port on the Red Sea Monday, August 12. They came officially for a three-week joint military exercise. But knowledgeable military sources assure DEBKA-Net-Weekly that their real mission is to secure Jordan's main highways linking Aqaba to Amman and northern air bases -- especially Mafraq -- and its road links with Israel to the west.

This mission is vital for forestalling a recently discovered threat. Saddam has plotted follow-up steps for after he launches his first wave of mega-attacks. They entail Iraqi military intelligence units thrusting into Jordan to take over the kingdom's main roads and open them to a large-scale invasion of Iraqi armored divisions, which will sweep up the Jordanian army and take control of the kingdom. The rush of events will, according to the Baghdad scenario, force King Abdullah to turn his back on the Americans and accept the role of Iraqi puppet ruler. Meanwhile, the Iraqi invasion force will proceed to wipe out the American and Israeli expeditionary forces in Jordan.

Awareness of this Iraqi scenario was at the bottom of the US war command's decision to rush the extra 4,000 American troops to take control of Jordan's strategic road links.

Our sources in Amman and the Gulf report that America has quietly sunk about $500 million in the construction, expansion and renovation of Jordan's military bases, airfields and roads for the use of US troops stationed and transiting the Hashemite kingdom. Washington is also laying out more than $100 million to widen Aqaba port near the Saudi Arabian frontier as a key US military base in the Gulf of Aqaba-Red Sea region.

Saddam's plan for a mortal blow against Israel ties in with his longstanding understanding with Yasser Arafat. The Palestinian leader and his terror command led by Colonel Tawfik Tirawi -- head of West Bank general security and de facto commander of Arafat's primary terror arm, the al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigades -- are reported to be independently organizing a mega terror attack in one of Israel's major cities.

In his latest briefing to the Israeli parliament's foreign affairs and defense committee Tuesday August 13, military intelligence chief Maj.-Gen. Aharon Zeevi Farkash was uncharacteristically blunt and forthcoming. Arafat's master plan, he warned, was to have several suicide bombers blow up simultaneously or use a number of car bombs against a single target in order to beat all previous Palestinian records for the number of Israeli casualties inflicted in a single terrorist attack.

Whether or not Saddam's pre-emptive mega attack will be carried out in collaboration -- or synchronously - with the massive Palestinians strike is a question still exercising US counter-terrorism officials, the US Iraq campaign command and Israeli army chiefs. However, the intelligence services of the US, Israel and Jordan believe they have enough data to link the terrorist arm of Iraqi military intelligence to Arafat's own intelligence organizations and Tirawi's terrorist arm. Tirawi is known to have his emissaries running back and forth between Ramallah and Amman to nourish his clandestine give-and-take ties with Muhammed Nawis, the senior Iraqi intelligence officer posted in the kingdom.

Jordanian intelligence officials have dubbed Nawis, who operates out of the Iraqi embassy in Amman, "the Iraqi pasha" (Iraqi governor) of Jordan, a mark of his power and broad operational reach. They report he has been able to insert a group of his Palestinian agents into the West Bank, secreting them across the Jordan River bridges with the help of local smugglers. This is confirmed by American and Israeli intelligence. The agents are equipped with nuclear and biological weapons systems after receiving training in their use from their Iraqi controllers. Their orders are to activate those weapons upon a pre-arranged signal.

DEBKA-Net-Weekly's sources say the agents could be part of Iraq's pre-emptive strike plans against Israel, the United States, or both. None of the Palestinian leaders, including Arafat, have been told where they are hiding out - or even the details of their assignments -- aside only from Col. Tirawi who enjoys Baghdad's full trust.

Troll.

Actually, Explorer, you are full of shit, once again. The text I pasted is verbatum from an unsolicited email I received in my inbox today, and the http://www.debka.com site appears to be legit.

I don't how much of their intelligence is true, or what the actual liklihood is of such an attack, but this email does seem fairly consistent with the following AP story released today http://apnews.excite.com/article/20020816/D7LEF6J00.html

JERUSALEM (AP) - Israel is urging U.S. officials not to delay a military strike against Iraq's Saddam Hussein, an aide to Prime Minister Ariel Sharon said Friday.

Israeli intelligence officials have gathered evidence that Iraq is speeding up efforts to produce biological and chemical weapons, said Sharon aide Ranaan Gissin.

"Any postponement of an attack on Iraq at this stage will serve no purpose," Gissin told The Associated Press. "It will only give him (Saddam) more of an opportunity to accelerate his program of weapons of mass destruction."

The United States has been considering a military campaign against Iraq to remove Saddam from power, listing him as one of the world's main terrorist regimes. However, there is considerable world opposition to a U.S. strike.

As evidence of Iraq's weapons building activities, Israel points to an order Saddam gave to Iraq's Atomic Energy Commission last week to speed up its work, Gissin said.

"Saddam's going to be able to reach a point where these weapons will be operational," he said.

Gissin said Israel was not seeking to dictate the timing of a U.S. military campaign but said that, faced with the threat of one, Saddam was fast developing weapons.

While the Israeli government backs U.S. action against Iraq, there is also concern in Israel that in response, Iraq would launch missile attacks against Tel Aviv and other cities in Israel.

During the 1991 Gulf War, in which U.S.-led forces pushed back an Iraqi invasion of neighboring Kuwait, Iraq hit Israel with 39 Scud missiles - none of them with chemical or biological warheads - causing few casualties but extensive damage.

In the 1991 conflict, the United States worried it would lose Arab support if Israel retaliated for the strikes, and under heavy pressure Israel reluctantly agreed to hold back. However, Israeli Defense Minister Binyamin Ben-Eliezer said Israel would defend itself against any new attacks.

In an interview published Friday, Ben-Eliezer told the daily Yediot Ahronot that Israel would surely become a target during such a conflict and would consider retaliation in coordination with U.S. forces.

"We will be one of the main targets," he told the newspaper. "What I told the Americans, and I repeat it: 'Don't expect us to continue to live with the process of restraint. If they hit us, we reserve the right of response.'"

Iraq has few chemical and biological weapons, Ben-Eliezer said. "We are taking this into account and we are prepared. But we are so far away from this right now that all this hysteria is simply unnecessary," he said.

A survey in the daily Maariv newspaper showed 57 percent of Israelis were in support of an American battle to wipe out Saddam's leadership, though about the same percent of people questioned believed Iraq would attack Israel. The survey found that 28 percent of them thought Iraq would use chemical or biological weapons against Israel.

The poll, which surveyed 590 adult Israelis and quoted a 4 percent margin of error, found 23 percent were in favor of using nuclear weapons against Iraq to retaliate for such an attack.

Meanwhile at a demonstration in the southern Gaza Strip on Thursday, about 200 Palestinians called on Iraq to strike Israel.

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I will repeat to you advice I have given you before:

It is better to remain silent and be thought a fool, than to speak and remove all doubt.

"They also detail the horrific arsenal at his disposal for such action. It includes more than 40 nuclear weapons, six to eight of them bombs and nuclear warheads that can be delivered by missile or plane."

Does anyone believe that?? No way...

We can dream, Mr. Bill. After all, it would be a lot of fun watching Israel and Iraq destroy each other!!!!

Most likely, though, it is just Israeli propaganda intended to provoke the US into fighting Israel's battles for it.

TROLL


explodedmilkbottle

Kendricks:

I can't believe that you are actually defending as accurate the message you posted because it can as an anonymous email to you.

I'm not suggesting that YOU are a troll; simply that the information in the message is a troll. There are gaping technical inaccuracies in the message that clinch that it is designed for fearmongering, not to provide information.

Why didn't you say that in the first place?

I thought you were calling me a troll, for simply reporting a true event, i.e., that I received the email which I faithfully quoted.

I do not believe the technical details of this email, but I do think that Israel has been releasing "intelligence" at least similar in content to this, in an effort to provoke the US into launching an attack.

Sorry for the confusion.

Debka.com is a legitimate web site, with ties to Israeli intelligence.

Sshhh,

Powerslave007,

This is top secret stuff, now you have let everybody know about it.

I tell you who has plenty of those bombs.The Israeli's and it probably wouldn't take to much provocation for them to drop a few on Bagdad

"apparently six to eight - and perhaps as many as 10 - nuclear bombs and warheads that can be delivered by fighter-bombers or surface-to-surface missiles"

Let's see:

a) Saddam's fighter bombers can't leave Iraqi airspace without getting obliterated. Remember how many successful Air attacks by Iraq were conducted during the Gulf War?

b) Saddam's "nukes" are untested.

c) fitting an untested nuke to an unreliable Scud is dicey.

d) Scuds must be specially modified to carry nukes (the Russians modified the R-11 launcher for this purpose and called it the R-11M, and were scared sh**less during the tests).

etc, etc.

http://www.nci.org/sadb.htm - nuclear control institute

http://www.fas.org/nuke/guide/iraq/index.html - federation of american scientists

for those so inclined

Mutually Assured Destruction has kept the nukes from flying for 50 years and I hope will in the future.

I'm pretty sure that Sadam realizes that if he uses his pitifully puny nuclear weapons, Bagdad will be vaporized by our majestic megaton range thermonuclear beauties.

Even if he were to nuke Israel wouldn't to fall-out float right back over Iraq?

Oh this is good stuff, right up there with sex. Fallout is minimized and overpressure and dynamic blast effects are maximized at the optimum height of burst which scales as the cube root of the yield expressed in kilotons. The OHOB is roughly the radius of the fireball. You don't want that touching the ground otherwise you're losing precious destructive energy. Air bursts are da kine brah.

The Dogster Manifesto

Unless y’all are totally ignorant, you know that the United States is preparing, rhetorically and militarily, for another full-scale war in Iraq.

The US government is not afraid of Saddam Hussein, however hard it tries to scare its own people. There is no evidence that Iraq is sponsoring terrorism against America. Saddam is well aware that if he attacks another nation with weapons of mass destruction, he can expect to be nuked. He presents no more of a threat to the world than he has done for the past ten years.

The US will go to war with Iraq because that's what Empires do.
This is a war of strategic and economic value to the US (e.g., the age-old issue of oil supply, feeding the military industrial complex, acting like it is continuing the war on terrorism, etc.). Given the inevitability of war, Iraq may very well strike first (as Roosevelt… err… Bush would prefer).

Our media will be scrupulous in fending off the threat of peace.

Is the species on the verge of demonstrating that higher intelligence is simply a grotesque biological error?

Don’t worry. If the world’s leaders looked sane, it would mess everything up. The declassified document from the ‘90’s, ``Essentials of Post-Cold War Deterrence," clarifies things. Planners should not "portray ourselves as too fully rational and cool-headed." "That the United States may become irrational and vindictive if its vital interests are attacked should be part of the national persona that we project.’’ It’s "beneficial" for our strategic posture if "some elements appear to be potentially `out of control’.’’ And Saddam is smart enough to follow this strategy himself.

Anyway, get ready for a war. Inhale… Get ready for more propaganda. Get ready for ugliness and fear. Exhale… relax. Connect with yourself and all that is.

Dogster,

You are right on point as usual.

You are now describing my favorite military man:

General Curtis LeMay led a colorful if extremely controversial career. From early on he argued that, "if you are going to use military force, then you ought to use overwhelming military force. Use too much and deliberately use too much... You'll save lives, not only your own, but the enemy's too."

Lemay was the only general of french decent that was ever worth a shit. Yeah I fought with Beauregard, but he was really a cajun.

Compares very favorably with the best General there ever has been: General Jack D. Ripper of Dr Strangelove fame.

Ben:

My (brilliant, war hero [3 wars], rancher, cowboy, Minnesot'n, engineer, aviation expert) grandfather worked with Curtis LeMay in WWII and swore by the the dude. Said he was the best... Grandpa was a little miffed when LeMay ran for vice president with George Wallace in the '68). But sheez. What does my post have to do with Le May?

General Jack D. Ripper/Dr. Strangelove. Gotta agree with your assessment. I now have the movie on DVD, along with the documentary of the movie. Best line from the movie: (President: "Gentlemen... GENTLEMEN!!! You can't fight in here, this is the war room!).

However...
I'm starting to think you probably voted for Goldwater (In your guts you know he's nuts), or maybe even Alf Landon). In between reefers, that is...

Sterling Hayden was the best General we ever had in the united Staes, except for LeMay.

The Russians were scared shitless that LeMay would order a SAC attack without getting Presidential permission. "Back back back in the USSR."

Why did I know your grandfather was a cool dude? I just did. Good genes.

"Debka.com is a legitimate web site, with ties to Israeli intelligence."

That sentence kind of contradicts itself. No surprise though that the biggest promoters of this whole disaster in the making are the Israelis and the gung ho Jewish lobby in this country. Let someone else pay for their own dirty work and take the blame. Nothing new there.

It's a sad thought that thousands of innocent people could lose their lives solely in order to win some votes in this country. I am beginning to wonder if Bush II is as equally blind in foreign affairs as he appears so far in the world of economics.

Ben. Yes, good genes. One of these days, geneticists will notice my superior genetic endowment, and use science to mass-produce these genes in the population. Until then, I will do my best to share my genetic gift the old fashioned way, thus improving the gene pool. Until then, geneticists and molecular biologists will continue to focus on trivial things.



We'll meet again, don't know where, don't know when
But I'm sure we'll meet again some sunny day
Keep smiling through, just the way you used to do
Till the blue skies chase the dark clouds far away

Now, won't you please say "Hello" to the folks that I know
Tell 'em it won't be long
'cause they'd be happy to know that when you saw me go
I was singing this song

We'll meet again, don't know where, don't know when
But I'm sure we'll meet again some sunny day

MONOLOGUE: Yes, we'll meet again. Darlin', I don't know where and I don't know when. But
I KNOW we'll meet again one of these good ole sunshiny days. Ya know, darlin', all ya gotta
do is just keep on smilin' through you know just like you ALWAYS do, until the blue skies
chase the dark clouds far, far, far away. I wantcha to do me a favor, please say "Hello" to all
the folks that I know. Well, just tell 'em it won't be long. They'd be happy to know that when
you saw me go, I was standin' right here, singin' this song.

We'll meet again, don't know where, don't know when
But I know we'll meet again some sunny day

Seriously, Ben, and anybody else here who is willing to listen…

I think that communism remains a HUGE global problem, even if our press and government don’t talk about it much these days. Clemenceau said war was too important to be left to the generals. When he said that, 90 years ago, he might have been right. But today, war is too important to be left to politicians. They have neither the time, the training, nor the inclination for strategic thought. I think we can no longer sit back and allow communist infiltration, indoctrination, subversion, etc., and the international communist conspiracy to sap and impurify... ALL that is important to us as humans. I think the typical communist has no regard for human life. Not even his own.

1946! Ben--How does that coincide with a post-war Communist conspiracy? It's incredibly obvious, isn't it? A foreign substance is introduced into our precious… water… without the knowledge of the individual!!! Certainly without any choice. That's the way Communism works, and continues to work, IMHO....

Anyway, Ben, I first became aware of it during the physical act of love, believe it or not... I experienced a profound sense of fatigue... a feeling of emptiness followed. Luckily I was able to interpret these feelings correctly. Loss of essence.

I can assure you it has not recurred. Women sense my power and they seek the life essence. I do not avoid women, but I do periodically deny them my essence.

Dudes, I'm TOTALLY serious on this one, OK? If any of y'all mongers AGREE, please say so! Ya need to speak up!

Peace On Earth,
Dogster

Oh I agree, the loss of precious bodily fluids, it's a travesty, and certainly a communist plot. Loss of essence is to be avoided

This place is about women.

Trolls

This particular thread is in the "off-topic" section. No need to read it if you don't want to.

Why anyone would be busting balls about this thread is beyond me.
I mean at least you didnt LaMalaVida the post and put it in the Mexico chat thread.


Troll -lol


Milky

Dogmaster,

I am missing a bottle of 12 year old scotch.

Did you drink it Friday night?

Communist threat? Our relationship with Russia and the other eastern block countries is better off now than in perhaps the last 60-70 years. Certainly not perfect, but Valdimir Putin seems to be embracing capitaliism and many of the old USSR countries now have free elections and fredom of the press and religion.

China is moving forward, but granted still a dictatorship. Still our relationship with China is improving all the time.

I think our biggest problem and risk of war is in the middle east where Iran, Iraq and the Israel/Palestine impasse could cause us mucdo problemo's. They are definitely dictatorships, but more religiou fanantics than communist.

I will acknowledge I am not an expert on foreign
affairs(expert on everything else), but I just don't see the communist threat.

Now bring back that bottle.

Benwhousetogetunderhisschooldeskfornuclearattack

Ben,

El perro is right. You missed the point. He's talking about the purity of essence of our natural fluids. Thank God San Diego doesn't flourinate water.

Only deviated preeverts would deny a recent Bland Corporation report about the cave gap between Iraq and the US. We need to move thousands into caves to maintain a nucleus of human specimens, 10 females to each male, and all of us males will need to breed prodigiously.

Saddam is amassing large amounts of Cobalt Thorium G. We need to be careful.

BTW, Dogster didn't take the scotch, he only drinks grain alcohol and rainwater.

La Dr. Strangelove Vida

Dogster,

You are now officially on double secret probation.

Benswormer

I usually stay out of this stuff but I have to ask - Dogster, have you sought professional help yet?

Ldvee: I’m sure if you are actually with me or mocking my ideas. But I think that we should seriously think about our futures in this critical time. Global destabilization is not a joke.

Water, that's what I'm getting at, water. Dudes, water is the source of all life. Seven-tenths of this earth's surface is water. Why, do you realize that seventy percent of YOU is water? And as human beings, you and I need fresh, pure water to replenish our body’s fluids.

Are you beginning to understand?

We joke about fluoridated water and other pollutants, but is a real problem, IMHO. This may sound extreme, but have any of you ever seen a communist drink a glass of water? On no account will a communist ever drink water, and not without good reason.

I shouldn't tell you this, amigos, but you're a good group of people and you've a right to know. It looks like there’s gonna be a war.

I think we need to act now if we want a chance to preserve a nucleus of human specimens.

Okay, someone please toss in a "lol" or a smiley face or something, before I start thinking that everyone's gone cuckoo...

Dogster says,

"I think we need to act now if we want a chance to preserve a nucleus of human specimens."

Ok what act do we, uh act/do?

I'm currently jacking off into a mayonaise jar...lol

good because I need a new sandwich spread


Milky

You sick bastard

"Ok what act do we, uh act/do? "

Plan R, doncha know nuttin???

Ay carumba

Think I'll watch FAIL SAFE this afternoon.

Now why don't you just take it easy, Dudes. (A drink of grain alcohol and PURE rainwater could really take the edge off. LOL).

IMHO, we are rapidly approaching a moment of truth both for ourselves as human beings and for the life of our nation. Now, truth is not always a pleasant thing. But it is necessary now to make a choice, to choose between two admittedly regrettable, but nevertheless *distinguishable*, postconflict environments: one where you got twenty million people killed, and the other where you got a hundred and fifty million people killed.

In terms of the water issue, do you realize that adding chemicals is the most monstrously conceived and dangerous plan we have ever had to face? For instance, there are studies underway to fluoridate salt, flour, fruit juices, soup, sugar, milk... ice cream. Ice cream, dudes, CHILDREN’S ICE CREAM. For more info: http://www.npwa.freeserve.co.uk/

Ben: you asked what we should do. On an individual level, I think we can make some preparations, the simplest being putting together a survival kit (containing, e.g., a forty-five caliber automatic; sufficient boxes of ammunition; at least four days' concentrated emergency rations; a first aid kit containing antibiotics, morphine, vitamin pills, pep pills, sleeping pills, tranquilizer pills; one miniature electronic translator/phrase book/Bible; several hundred dollars in cash; several hundred dollars in gold; packs of chewing gum; sufficient issues of prophylactics; three lipsticks; three pair of nylon stockings). (OK, maybe I shouldn’t joke about a the survival kit. Shoot, a fella' could have a pretty good weekend in Vegas with all that stuff. I think the most important thing will be to have a water purification system. Katadyn filters are good; make sure you have the appropriate carbon-based fluoride-filtering filters). For more (serious) info: http://www.ki4u.com/survive/, http://www.surviveanuclearattack.com/, http://www.oism.org/nwss/s73p911.htm

On a national protective level, our best interests and health concerns could easily be supported with a network of computers. And computers could be set and programmed to accept factors from youth, health, sexual fertility, intelligence, and a cross-section of necessary skills. I suppose it would be absolutely vital that our top economic and military experts be included to foster and impart the required principles. And yes, it is true, we cannot allow a cave/mine-shaft gap to occur.

Ldvee, I think you understand. Help me out here.

Peace On Earth,
Dogster

Dog,

I think you are on to something here.

Unlike Milkys plan for retirement(spawning trinket people), we might want to incorporate this into a survival kit. I mean a good survivalist/anit fluoridation personel land mind and war chest package could sell.

I will have my people call your people.

Just think how history would have been changed if we had these kits when the Germans attack Pearl Harbor.

I don't know if I can help you out muttster. I never carry loose change into combat and I don't want to have to answer to the Coca Cola company.

Certainly need to add Vimax to the Colonel Ben "Bat" Guano's survival kit.

We'll meet again, don't know where, don't know when......

Dogster, did you know the Trilateral commission and the International Jewish Conspiracy is at this very time putting flouride into your house! Watch out. I hear they are going to put some crop circles in your yard next, and unleash the chupacabras on your pet animals.

What is the big deal about the extinction of humanity? Once you are dead, what difference does it make? Talk about getting all worked up about something that makes absolutely no difference to your life...

"Death is only the Beginning", The Mummy...

Dogster,

I am glad that someone verbalized my biggest inner fear. I have spent many a sleepless night worrying about the communist plot to poison our drinking water. I finally left the United States in order to feel more secure. Mexico has always been very open to communist and socialist thought so I figure the pinkos will not try to poison Mexicos water. LOL.

Here's the message from Kendricks that started this thread:

"I received the following in an unsolicited newsletter email this morning:

From DEBKA-Net-Weekly: Saddam has Nukes, Opts for Pre-emptive Strike

The latest intelligence assessments reaching DEBKA-Net-Weekly agree that Saddam Hussein has decided to take pre-emptive military action rather than wait for the US hammer to drop. They also detail the horrific arsenal at his disposal for such action. It includes more than 40 nuclear weapons, six to eight of them bombs and nuclear warheads that can be delivered by missile or plane.

In particular, the Iraqi leader has set his sights on hitting US military forces in the Middle East as well as Turkey, Kuwait, Bahrain, Jordan and Israel. He is also determined to reach into the United States itself through proxy terrorists run by Iraqi military intelligence. This latest intelligence consensus supersedes the basic presumption previously held by US and Israeli strategists that Saddam would not launch a counter-strike with unconventional weapons unless attacked first - and then only if he felt his life and regime were in jeopardy.

As for the scope of Iraq's unconventional weaponry, the revised evaluation is the first official confirmation that Saddam possesses up to 40 nuclear devices, probably half of them radiological, or "dirty", bombs with a limited-radius contamination capability; but also apparently six to eight - and perhaps as many as 10 - nuclear bombs and warheads that can be delivered by fighter-bombers or surface-to-surface missiles. Iraqi experts are said to have been instructed in payload assembly and delivery technology by Russian and Eastern European technicians who manpower companies in Belarus and Croatia and whose services Iraq bought with multi-million dollar fees. "

etc, etc.

My response at the time: "Troll".

Bwahahaha!!!!! Excellent!

What Explorer said: "Troll".

What Explorer meant: "Troll."

If that doesn't make sense, nevermind.

It may have been a troll. Quite possibly, though, it was just Israeli propaganda intended to provoke the US into fighting Israel's battles for it.


(Message edited by Dogster on June 23, 2003)