In the City of God there will be a great thunder, Two
brothers torn apart by Chaos, while the fortress
endures, the great leader will succumb" ,
"The third big war will begin when the big city is
burning" - Nostradamus 1654

Nostradamus made many interesting predictions. According to him WW3 was supposed to last from 1999-2028, and begin in the Middle East. I firmly believe it will begin in the Middle East. Saddam is completely insane and his sons, Qusay and Uday, are even crazier.

The problem with his "predictions" are they are so vague they can be interpreted 10 different ways by 10 different people.

-Superman-

Nostradomus also said:

"D'vn Chef vieillard naiƒtra ƒens hebet¸, Degenerant par ƒ³auoir & par armes."*

"To an old leader will be born an idiot heir, weak both in knowledge and in war."

God damn - Nostradomus even predicted GW!!!!

I thought Nostrawhosits said the world was supposed to end last year. He didn't know shit.

adelito

i havent seen you for years
whats new how is your girlfriend doing ?

i hope everything is going good

see you soon ?

milkman

An uplifting message.

> This, from a Canadian newspaper, is worth sharing.
> >
> >America: The Good Neighbor.
> >
> >Widespread but only partial news coverage was given recently to a
> >remarkable editorial broadcast from Toronto by Gordon Sinclair,
> >a Canadian television commentator.
> >What follows is the full text of his trenchant remarks as
> >printed in the Congressional Record:
> >
> >
> >"This Canadian thinks it is time to speak up for the Americans as
> >the most generous and possibly the least appreciated people
> >on all the earth.
> >Germany, Japan and, to a lesser extent, Britain and Italy were
> >lifted out of the debris of war by the Americans who poured in
> >billions of dollars and forgave other billions in debts.
> >None of these countries is today paying even the interest
> >on its remaining debts to the United States.
> >
> >When France was in danger of collapsing in 1956, it was the
> >Americans who propped it up, and their reward was to be insulted
> >and swindled on the streets of Paris. I was there. I saw it.
> >
> >When earthquakes hit distant cities, it is the United States
> >that hurries in to help. This spring, 59 American communities
> >were flattened by tornadoes. Nobody helped.
> >
> >The Marshall Plan and the Truman Policy pumped billions of dollars
> >into discouraged countries. Now newspapers in those countries are
> >writing about the decadent, warmongering Americans.
> >
> >I'd like to see just one of those countries that is gloating over
> >the erosion of the United States dollar build its own airplane.
> >Does any other country in the world have a plane to equal
> >the Boeing Jumbo Jet, the Lockheed Tri-Star, or the Douglas DC10?
> >If so, why don't they fly them?
> >Why do all the International lines except Russia fly American
> >Planes?
> >
> >Why does no other land on earth even consider putting a man or
> >woman on the moon?
> >You talk about Japanese technocracy, and you get radios.
> >You talk about German technocracy, and you get automobiles.
> >
> >You talk about American technocracy, and you find men on the
> >moon-not once, but several times-and safely home again.
> >You talk about scandals, and the Americans put theirs right
> >in the store window for everybody to look at.
> >
> >Even their draft-dodgers are not pursued and hounded. They are
> >here on our streets, and most of them, unless they are breaking
> >Canadian laws, are getting American dollars from ma and pa at home
> >to spend here.
> >
> >When the railways of France, Germany and India were breaking down
> >through age, it was the Americans who rebuilt them.
> >When the Pennsylvania Railroad and the New York Central went broke,
> >nobody loaned them an old caboose.
> >Both are still broke.
> >
> >I can name you 5000 times when the Americans raced to the help of
> >other people in trouble. Can you name me even one time when
> >someone else raced to the Americans in trouble?
> >I don't think there was outside help even during the San Francisco
> >earthquake.
> >
> >Our neighbors have faced it alone, and I'm one Canadian who is
> >damned tired of hearing them get kicked around.
> >They will come out of this thing with their flag high.
> >And when they do, they are entitled to thumb their nose at
> >the lands that are gloating over their present troubles. I hope
> >Canada is not one of those."
> >
> >
> >Stand proud, America!
> >
> >I would hope that each of you would send this to as many people
> >as you can and emphasize that they should send it to as many
> >of their friends until this letter is sent to every person on the web.
> >
> >
> >
>

What if Bin Laden and the Taliban leadership are telling the truth when they say they did not do this. The Taliban leadership said that Bin Laden could not have done it, only a country had the resources to pull it off..

What if Iraq did it ????

Then we fuck Iraq...

OK, now take a deep breath. Hold. And breathe out.

Good.

Repeat after me: I'm a good person. My neighbor is not my enemy.

A bad thing happened yesterday. We're frustraited and feel helpless, but we'll be OK.
It's natural to want instant gradification, but it's important to keep cool if we expect to REALLY do anything about this.

Keep in mind what we did to our Japanese brothers in this country after P.H.

BTW, Gordon Sinclair died in 1983, I think.

There were 2-3 terrorists per plane, at least one of which was capable of flying that plane. Probably all of them were pilots. Where were they trained? Who has national air forces in the middle east? Syria/Iran/Iraq/Saudi Arabia. I don't know, I am asking. Were they former military pilots with extra training to fly commercial jets?

Pilots are the elite of their respective societies. These are (I assume) intelligent, relatively worldly and sophisticated guys. These aren't dirt-poor goat herders who can be talked into blowing up a Jerusalem pizzeria with promises of heaven and a few extra dollars for grandma back home. My point is: if even the elite can be coaxed into suicide missions, what is the next unimagineable scenario???

Sorry for adding some substantive material to this discussion, but it IS Wednesday, and my TJ trip is at least 2 days away, maybe more.

So, ever notice how the news about Bin Laden never talks about where he came from, other than from a rich Arabian family, and that he fought the Russians in Afganistan?

So, how come he's so sharp? Where did he get trained?

And, sometimes they mention that he helped the Somalies shoot down some US helicopters in Africa in 1993. So, where did he get anti-aircraft missiles from?

He was trained by US, I think. oops. That was one of the downsides of our little proxy war against the Sovs in Afghanistan. This is not to say we should not have supported the mujaheiden, but sometimes unintended consequences can come back and bite us in the ass.

San Puto - just one correction: We did not do wrong by our Japanese brothers after Pearl Harbor.
We did wrong to AMERICANS of Japanese descent. In DIRECT violation of the Due Process clause of the Bill of Rights. Many of whom, by the way, went on to serve in the military in a segregated unit in the European theater that incurred the HIGHEST CASUALTY rate, and become the MOST DECORATED American unit in all of WWII, while their family members sat confined in Detention Camps.

If we do not learn from our history, we are doomed to repeat it.

Explorer, here is a link to bin Laden's biography:

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/binladen/etc/cron.html

Dman, that is exactly what I was refering to.
However, I'm not going to hold someones hand and explain the pictures to them.

I have to give people credit that they have SOME brain power.

A MODEST PROPOSAL -- Many fundamentalist muslim clerics posit a mujihadin's afterlife as one of unlimited sexual bliss. Anybody familiar with Saudi or Afghanistan knows that the young guys they recruit for suicide missions don't have any prospect of getting ANY ANY ANY. SO--Perhaps we at ClubHombre can do our part, using OUR special insight, by taking up a SEND A MUJIHADIN TO BANGKOK collection. This may go some way to relieve the pressure of semen throbbing on the addled brains of these young fucks...

Kendricks, I noticed that the biography glossed over all the info about Bin Ladin working for us back in the 1980's.

What is your source for this info, Explorer?

yep, looks like Bin Laden was trained by our own military to help defeat good ole Russian back in the late 70- early 80s Afgan invasion conflict.. Another piece of irony is that the "terrorist pilots" may have actually trained here in the USA at various aviation facilities in Florida and Boston... Reports also say as many as 18 terrorists ( 4 to 5 on each plane) were involved in the hijackings, and they left a nice little paper trail of credit card transactions, car rental receipts, hotel stays, etc, in the aftermath...any chance of cameras catching any images of passengers at the rental car area or the airport??

I lived near Columbus, Georgia for about three years of my life, which is the home of Fort Benning. I don't know if it is still there or not, but at that time they had a special school there (School of the Americas?) to train foreign nationals in the art of war. Many of those being trained immediately return to their countries as terrorists. There was always much controversy in the papers about why the US Army was training terrorists.

-Superman-

Kendricks:

It was widely reported at the time that Bin Laden was one of our guys. That reporting totally clammed up when Bin Laden started using our Stingers to shoot down our helicopters in Somalia.

I am not disputing that bin Laden was trained by us, and was formerly supported by us. I am just saying that I would be interested in reading the details from a realiable source (no offense to the reporters on this board!)

A lot of stories that are "widely reported" get stretched and distorted as they are passed along. Maybe I'll have to wait until I can make it back to TJ, and ask some of the drunk chicas - they are usually pretty good sources of info. 8-D

Kendricks

Finally, our government is giving the impression that it is actually serious about handing out some hard-core retribution.

It is a well known fact that our politicions make their decisions based upon polls and public opinions. The more Americans scream for blood and call Bush a pussy for not responding, the greater our chances of our leaders giving us the middle eastern terrorist community the blood-bath that they so richly deserve.

Here are the email addresses for Bush and Cheney:

president@whitehouse.gov
vice.president@whitehouse.gov

Let's let them know that the mongering community (well, maybe you don't need to actually discuss whoremongering in the emails) favors giving bin Laden, his supporters and trainees, the Afghanistanis, the Iraquis, et al. an ass-kicking of truly brutal and profound proportions.

Kendricks, U.S. Secretary of Brutality

One comment regarding the Taliban's and Bin Laden's denials. The Taliban stated that Bin Laden could not have done this because he is allowed no communication outside Afghanistan. I heard this myself. I saw another report that says that Bin Laden moves freely around Afghanistan with an armed guard (his men, not the Taliban's) of up to 100 men. Obviously the Taliban is either unbelievable naive, or a bunch of lying MF's who think we are idiots. I think the line on the former is about 1,000,000 : 1.

Statements made by the Taliban and bin Laden remind me of the glory days of professional wrestling, when guys like Fred Blassie would insist that events you were watching did not happen, that the tape had been doctored to make it look like his guys were cheating, etc.

Christ, the Taliban is still insisting that the attack was carried out by Americans (an obvious Mcveigh reference), the last I heard - nothing like adding insult to injury.

Kendricks

Arrrg, it's early morning and I'm wide awake wondering about my feelings. Politically I'm a liberal, I abhor violence, I've never been in a fight.

Yet, I am 100% behind lethal military action against this insane, minority, Islamic sect. This is the first time I've really felt that it's time to go to war and kill people. I was born during the Korean War and have never understood it, I evaded the Vietnam draft by going to college and burned my draft card, I was unsure and very depressed about the Gulf War, I've always thought military expenditures for things like the b-2 bomber (500 million each) were outrageous.

This is different, these fuckheads attacked our country, they intentionally killed innocent people. Why? Do they think they will gain by this? They are out of their fucking minds. It's time to let loose on these assholes.

I've been saying all along that the Taliban in Afganistan are the culprits. Bin Laden would be dead withhout them. Kabul is the target and I wouldn't mind a bit if we turned it into a pool of molten mud, rock, and flesh. Put 300 kt at the optimum height of burst and obliterate the place. Then it will be up to US snipers with rifles to kill these folks one by one no matter where they are in the world.

This is from a Canadian newspaper and IS worth
sharing.......


Widespread but only partial news coverage was given recently to a remarkable editorial broadcast from Toronto by Gordon Sinclair, a Canadian television commentator. What follows is the full text of his broadcast.

"This Canadian thinks it is time to speak up for the Americans as the most generous and possibly the least appreciated people on all the earth. Germany, Japan and, to a lesser extent, Britain and Italy were lifted out of the debris of war by the Americans who poured in billions of dollars and forgave other billions in debts. None of these countries is today paying even the interest on its remaining debts to the United States.

When France was in danger of collapsing in 1956, it was the Americans who propped it up, and their reward was to be insulted and swindled on the streets of Paris. I was there. I saw it.

When earthquakes hit distant cities, it is the United States that hurries in to help. This spring, 59 American communities were flattened
by tornadoes. Nobody helped.

The Marshall Plan and the Truman Policy pumped billions of dollars into discouraged countries. Now newspapers in those countries are writing
about the decadent, warmongering Americans.

I'd like to see just one of those countries that is gloating over the erosion of the United States dollar build its own airplane.

Does any other country in the world have a plane to equal the Boeing Jumbo Jet, the Lockheed Tri-Star, or the Douglas DC10? If so, why don't they fly them? Why do all the International lines except Russia fly American Planes?

Why does no other land on earth even consider putting a man or woman on the moon? You talk about Japanese technocracy, and you get radios. You talk about German technocracy, and you get automobiles. You talk about American technocracy, and you find men on the moon - not once, but
several times - and safely home again.

You talk about scandals, and the Americans put theirs right in the store window for everybody to look at. Even their draft-dodgers are not
pursued and hounded. They are here on our streets, and most of them, unless they are breaking Canadian laws, are getting American dollars from ma and pa at home to spend here.

When the railways of France, Germany and India were breaking down through age, it was the Americans who rebuilt them. When the Pennsylvania Railroad and the New York Central went broke, nobody loaned them an old caboose. Both are still broke.

I can name you 5000 times when the Americans raced to the help of other people in trouble. Can you name me even one time when someone else raced to the Americans in trouble? I don't think there was outside help even during the San Francisco earthquake.

Our neighbors have faced it alone, and! I'm one Canadian who is damned tired of hearing them get kicked around. They will come out of this thing with their flag high. And when they do, they are entitled to thumb their nose at the lands that are gloating over their present troubles. I hope Canada is not one of those."

Stand proud, America!

This is one of the best editorials that I have ever read regarding the United States. It is nice that one man realizes it. I only wish that the rest of the world would realize it. We are always blamed for everything, and never even get a thank you for the things we do.

To show those terrorists that we Americans stick together, FRIDAY SEPTEMBER14 is "Flags Across America." All Americans are asked to display the American flag either in their homes or cars. Let's keep the meaning of UNITED in "United States".

FWIW, Gordon Sinclair died something like 17 years ago and delivered this editorial some 30-40 years ago.

Superman. yes the School of the Americas is still operational.

Kendricks. CNN just reported that 2 of the 15 or so terrorists identified from passenger lists are graduates of "schools" administered by our military.

The report did not mention Bin Laden, but it would not be surprising if he, too, had attended at some point in the past.

He wrote it in 1973. I've been hearing it on the radio, set to background music, in a similar format to that "sunscreen" recording that all the radio stations were playing a couple of years ago.

While we're on the subject of items that were written a long time ago that seem to have an eerie relevance... take a look at the lyrics to this song. This is from Billy Joel's Turnstiles album, and was written back in 1976:

Miami 2017 (Seen the Lights Go Out on Broadway)
by Billy Joel

I've seen the lights go out on Broadway-
I saw the Empire State laid low.
And life went on beyond the Palisades,
They all bought bright Cadillacs-
And left there long ago.

We held a concert out in Brooklyn-
To watch the Island bridges blow.
They turned our power down,
And drove us underground-
But we went right on with the show.

I've seen the lights go out on Broadway-
I saw the ruins at my feet,
You know we almost didn't notice it-
We'd see it all the time on Forty-Second Street.

They burned the churches up in Harlem-
Like in that Spanish Civil War-
The flames were everywhere,
But no one really cared-
It always burned up there before.

I saw the lights go out on Broadway-
I watched the mighty skyline fall.
The boats were waiting at the Battery,
The union went on strike-
They never sailed at all.

They sent a carrier out from Norfolk-
And picked the Yankees up for free.
They said that Queens could stay,
They blew the Bronx away-
And sank Manhattan out to sea.

You know those lights were bright on Broadway-
But that was so many years ago.
Before we all lived here in Florida-
Before the Mafia took over Mexico.

There are not many who remember-
They say a handful still survive-
To tell the world about
The way the lights went out,
And keep the memory alive.

I read this elsewhere today and didn't believe it until I checked for myself. Three of the top five best selling books on Amazon.com are about Nostradamus, including #1. The top 5 videos are about him as well. What does it say about our society when we turn to a 16th century warlock for comfort and guidance?

-Superman-

During the last week I have been following the news of the war attack at the following site:

http://www.stratfor.com/

The information is well written, summarized without losing depth, and accurate.

Additionally, I found the following article about making planes hijack proof inetresting.

http://www.zdnet.com/anchordesk/stories/story/0,10738,2812283,00.html

vaya con Dios

Gitano

Check out this album cover.It was published on the web on july 19th and looks to near exactly depicts both hits to the WTC.

http://www.artbell.com/images/coup.jpg

Taxi(no turban here)BOB

Let's keep the limericks coming!

Bin Laden's ass cheeks we must spread,
His heart we must fill full of dread.
Let him seek help from Allah,
While I'm fucking his muthah,
Let's go mutilate that cocksucking raghead.

Beachman has got sand in his clit,
Contraband's head is full of horseshit.
They think I'm quite uncouth,
Just because I speak truth,
So in their limpwristed faces I spit.

Kendricks

The infighting posts have been moved Outside.

Topics -> Off-topic -> Entertainment -> Outside -> 9/11 Hijacking Brawl

THIS IS RATHER GOOD...

Reprinted from the Miami Herald (columnist Leonard Pitts Jr.)

We'll go forward from this moment
It's my job to have something to say.
They pay me to provide words that help make sense of that which troubles the American soul. But in this moment of airless shock when hot tears sting disbelieving eyes, the only thing I can find to say, the only words that seem to fit, must be addressed to the unknown author of this suffering.

You monster. You beast. You unspeakable bastard.
What lesson did you hope to teach us by your coward's attack on our World Trade Center, our Pentagon, us? What was it you hoped we would learn? Whatever it was, please know that you failed.

Did you want us to respect your cause? You just damned your cause.
Did you want to make us fear? You just steeled our resolve.
Did you want to tear us apart? You just brought us together.
Let me tell you about my people. We are a vast and quarrelsome family, a family rent by racial, social, political and class division, but a family nonetheless. We're frivolous, yes, capable of expending tremendous emotional energy on pop cultural minutiae -- a singer's revealing dress, a ball team's misfortune, a cartoon mouse. We're wealthy, too, spoiled by the ready availability of trinkets and material goods, and maybe because of that, we walk through life with a certain sense of blithe entitlement. We are fundamentally decent, though -- peace-loving and compassionate. We struggle to know the right thing and to do it. And we are, the overwhelming majority of us, people of faith, believers in a just and loving God.

Some people -- you, perhaps -- think that any or all of this makes us weak. You're mistaken. We are not weak. Indeed, we are strong in ways that cannot be measured by arsenals.

IN PAIN
Yes, we're in pain now. We are in mourning and we are in shock. We're still grappling with the unreality of the awful thing you did, still working to make ourselves understand that this isn't a special effect from some Hollywood blockbuster, isn't the plot development from a Tom Clancy novel. Both in terms of the awful scope of their ambition and the probable final death toll, your attacks are likely to go down as the worst acts of terrorism in the history of the United States and, probably, the history of the world. You've bloodied us as we have never been bloodied before.

But there's a gulf of difference between making us bloody and making us fall. This is the lesson Japan was taught to its bitter sorrow the last time anyone hit us this hard, the last time anyone brought us such abrupt and monumental pain. When roused, we are righteous in our outrage, terrible in our force. When provoked by this level of barbarism, we will bear any suffering, pay any cost, go to any length, in the pursuit of justice.

I tell you this without fear of contradiction. I know my people, as you, I think, do not. What I know reassures me. It also causes me to tremble with dread of the future.

In the days to come, there will be recrimination and accusation, fingers pointing to determine whose failure allowed this to happen and what can be done to prevent it from happening again. There will be heightened security, misguided talk of revoking basic freedoms. We'll go forward from this moment sobered, chastened, sad. But determined, too. Unimaginably determined.

THE STEEL IN US
You see, the steel in us is not always readily apparent. That aspect of our character is seldom understood by people who don't know us well. On this day, the family's bickering is put on hold.

As Americans we will weep, as Americans we will mourn, and as Americans, we will rise in defense of all that we cherish.

So I ask again: What was it you hoped to teach us? It occurs to me that maybe you just wanted us to know the depths of your hatred. If that's the case, consider the message received. And take this message in exchange: You don't know my people. You don't know what we're capable of. You don't know what you just started.

But you're about to learn.

Spoken like a TRUE American.

Now, POWERSLAVE, why don't you start talking like a TRUE American?

So, diego, when are YOU going to enlist?

I've already volunteered with my employer to go "over there" in support of our systems... but it would be nice to be back by Christmas.

Anyway, if you are an American, no hard feelings, eh? We're all a little PISSED OFF right now - and understandably... I mean, who wants to wait in line for 4 hours every time we go to TJ - and thats AFTER you've gotten your rocks off, not before ;^)

Oh, and you asked what could they possibly be looking for when you go thru the long line at the border?

Well, I used to ask the same question about the security checkpoints at the airports... they obviously weren't much good for anything either.

I suppose the answer is pretty obvious, though - they are looking for... Arabs... the problem is, it is a little hard for those INS folks to tell the difference between an Arab and a Mexican - hence the long lines.

I guess what we really need right now is... an "Arab detector". Better yet, an "Arab terrorist detector". Seeing as it isn't likely to be invented anytime soon - we will probably be experiencing waits at the border for the next few years . At least I've go my motorcycle.

After listening to GW Bush's speech, all I can think is thank God for the 600 odd voters in Florida who gave him his majority. The idea of albore in this situation is nausiating.
The ragheads everywhere are, if they have any intelligence, shitting themselves now.

What is it with you? Are you so devoid of intellect and insecure in your political beliefs that you need to constantly bring them to this site where you know people don't want to argue about politics?

Why don't you go find a Rush site to post on?

LOLLL ... as a former Gore supporter, I have to admit that this particular crisis would not have been his own best forum. I give GW credit. He was nothing that I was worried about, and a lot of things I didn't suspect him to be. I'm pretty impressed, in general, with all our national leaders in this crisis. Except Hilary -- she has a tin ear, is intimidated by crowds, and sort of seems cowed by the whole concept of taking the lead.

D'fartingman: This thread is ABOUT politics, that is why it is titled "bombing", not blowjobs or something. If you do not want to read about "Bombing" don't...

Besides, I like posting here about this stuff because I just know it will piss you off.

Actually, I think Al Gore would be the perfect President to lead us in this crisis:

He would give a speech, and while he was talking, Osama bin Laden, and all of his people, along with the Taliban leadership would all fall asleep, then he could invent an Afghanistan-Wide-Web to spin around that nation to prevent those folks from doing any harm to the people who were outside of it. And he could let Chinese lobbyists slip him some cash in order to pay for it.

In all seriousness, Bush established last night that he can talk a good game when he has to. But actually making the tough decisions that will surely need to come is another matter. I just hope he has the sense to defer to the RIGHT members of his advisory team, like Powell, when those conflicts come.

I didn't vote for Bush, but I'm satisfied with the way his advisory team is handling this so far. But does anybody seriously believe that GWB has ever changed a word of any speech ever handed to him? I can't believe that he is anything but a mouthpiece for the competent knowledgeable hands surrounding him. However, ultimately he will have to be THE man - he will have to make hard decisions when he receives competing advice - and the press secretary to his credit, has revealed in detail that a significant policy rift is developing among the advisors...the chief Pentagon strategist wants to take out Iraq and other sponser states in the first wave...Powell and Cheney want to focus on the terrorist organizations exclusively before considering direct military action against the sponsers (other than Afganistan of course).

Though I have my doubts about Bush, I know that the bipartisan support he is receiving under these circumstances is the only way to go - I join in the hope that the challenge ahead will move him to greatness. But why do I have this nagging feeling that if this crisis had occurred on Clinton's watch, that a good number of Republicans would still be talking about his sex life? O.K., probably not - but I wouldn't place a large wager.

I thought he said a lot of good things last night though I was not a supporter during the election.. Was listening to a talk show today.. One caller said that despite what we think, and what Bush says about OBL & terrorists being against freedom..

The REAL issue is they don't fucking want us in the middle east period.. They don't want us in any of the bordering countries thinking in there primitive barbaric minds that WE defile THEIR land...

I'm afraid that there is some truth here and this war may last forever... I've heard Russia lost a million soldiers in Afganastan before they pulled out..

I'm not saying we shouldn't go kick ass, but we shouldn't be too cocky about it either.. We have to out smart them, which shouldn't be that hard..

Actually, Russia lost in the neighborhood of 15,000 soldiers. Much of their losses were courtesy of the fact that the Afghans had a rich and powerful benefactor supplying them with mucho modern weaponry. (Guess who) This time, NOBODY is going to give the Afghans shit.