For a change, a non-whore story.

I met E here in Los Angeles. The first thing that attracted me was a beautiful round face, a throaty, lusty laugh, and a winning smile. E is an American citizen whose heritage is Ecudorian, and she's spent the bulk of her life there.

Her charming foreign ways - her lovely accent, her unusual way of looking at the world, and her striking tall blonde beauty all ensnarled me.

She would do anything for a friend, up to and including sabotaging her own life.

She's extremely intelligent and picks up things I try and explain to her right away.

Although she's willing to let me buy her and her extended family the odd meal, she goes out of her way to be considerate to my financial condition.

The only problem with E is that she wants to be friends for a very, very long time before considering romance. She isn't closed to it, but she's not open to it either -- yet.

She's been badly burned by other guys who have tried to get close to her and hurt her severely, and that's a big reason she says she wants only a friend. At the same time, she noted that close friendship is the way to start a relationship. Just to confuse things, I rarely get to spend time alone with her - mainly with her and her family; I really want to get to know her better but sense a lot of barriers towards doing that.

We spend parts of most weekends together, normally on an outing with the kids and some of her friends. Our outings feel like we're a "real" family.

At the same time I am so smitten with her that, while I ache for her, I'm also willing to wait.

She's 36 years old and has two kids. For her age, she is stunningly beautiful. (I am 40, and not). We haven't had sex, as I said, but I pick up little signals that she's make one passionate partner if she let her barriers down.

I feel in love with her, and it gets worse every time I see her. But I can't help but wonder: How much of this is her specifically, and how much of it is the South American personality? Would I be better off pursuing a South American more open to a relationship?

If she's anything like other South American women, I can see how you guys get completely spoiled for them. I'm starting to feel the same way and I haven't even slept with the girl. That passion is truly intoxicating.

If she's similar to other South Americans, are there any good places to meet similar women around the Los Angeles area?

D

There are probably places to meet other SA women and you should go there. Also make sure she knows about your visits to these places, where other women are looking for a good time.

Be sure and tell her you are tired of the bullshit about being her friend solemente and you want a friend who is also your lover.

Oh, and quit giving her and her family money. Save it for young latina chicas who who will fuck you all afternoon and be grateful for the dinero.

What a fuckin whimp.

ben is drunk this evening...

Hmmm, Uh geez Davidd,

I think I may have said some things last night which were a little irresponsibile.

If I said things which were offensive or crude, please accept my apologize.

benwhoisalittlebithungover

Don't drink and post, Ben.

The best time to post is sometimes right after a visit to TJ. That way details are still fresh. If sometimes we post a little on the inhebriated side, so be it. Goes with the territory.

My personal experience going after a Latin woman with kids who exhibited the "just freinds" attitude, did not go well. I really wanted to get in this girls pants. And I really liked her also. Sh ereally got under my skin. But usually when a women says they "just want to be freinds", It means THEY JUST WANT TO BE FREINDS. IMHO it will never evolve into something more. Yes sometimes freinds become lovers, but in my experience there was always some type of spark there from the very beginning.

I completely understand your fatuation with South American girls. I have also met a couple of stunners from South America. Argentina, Paraguay, Uraguay, Equador all have some stunning blondish latinas. Lots of German and Italian influence. In Mexico City I dated a girl from Quito. She was getting her Masters degree at ITAM. Unlike your freind, she fucked on the second date. If you want a SouthAmerican, I would say look for a place in LA where they play latin music, not Mexican music, like an Argentinean Parrilla, or a Brazilian place. Hang out there.

But don't limit yourself to southamerica. Latin girls in general are great. They are my one true vice. I have only dated 2 white girls over the last 20 years. And one of them was Italian. This sounds stupid, but it worked for me. Find out where the employees of your local Univision station go for happy hour. Hang out there. You will meet latinas. Years ago, I dated in rapid sequence three girls that worked for Univision channel 33 in Phoenix. By luck I stumbled into their favorite after work hang out. I made it my base away from home. Very good times. Through them I really got inside the latin community.

Or better yet, save some money and go to Buenos Aires.

I agree with Ben, Don't waste your time. Just keep your freind as a freind and look for someone else to have romance with.

My 2 cents.

I dated two Latin girls from Europe. One was French, and the other was Romanian. The French girl, a gorgeous blond, was not only awesome in bed, but she was also into fucking (everywhere) outside the bedroom.

Before I met the Romanian girl, I didn't know much about her country. I more or less assumed Romanians were closer to Slavic. Ethnicially, they look mixes of Latin and Slavic (think of their female gymnasts). But, the girl told me Romania was a Latin country. The name Romania came from the fact that it was located at the front of the Roman empire. Its language was directly derived from Latin (in fact, Romanian language is supposed to be the closest active language to Latin). First time in bed, the girl showed me all the tricks she had (rimming, anal, BBBJTC etc...) and then told me "that's Latin".

Both girls were very dramatic and passionate in their natures, on and off the bed. A poster said here lately "if I want a drama, I'd date a US woman". I disagree. (oh, did I say the French girl was married and having an extramarital affair with me?)

By the way, I used "Latin" to describe their cultures. Racially, they were both very whites. They could surely fuck, though.

Italians, French, Spanish, Romanians, Portugese, are all technically considered latins. They all speak romance languages. But in the context of this thread "Latinas" would generally be interpreted as someone with Latin American raices. But you are right that many Eurpoean countries are "latin".

Based on nearly 3 years living in europe and 5 years living in mexico, the difference between the "latin" cultures of Europe and the "Latin American" cultures of this hemisphere is considerable.

My bad. I quickly read your passage "But don't limit yourself to southamerica. Latin girls in general are great." and then hastened to think that you were including an Italian girl as a Latin, which you were not.

I loved those European latins, anyway.

Davidd, I feel for you man, latin ladies can be very addictive because of there warmth and homely attitude on life. My advice is don't give up yet (don't listen to these mongers!), do the following:

Get straight to the point and tell her your true feelings, make sure this conversation shocks her in a positive way. Try to make a strong impact.

If you get zero reaccion from her, go to step two: The jelousy thing. Even if it hurts, give her the ice treatment, and very important, start going out with other latinas and MAKE SURE she knows about it. This will make that little feeling she has for you come out and turn into a firey dragon fighting for her territory.

You have to understand that latinas make decisions based on there feelings not on logic. The logical thing is that she is beautiful and you are as ugly as a dog, but the feelings thing is that she already fell for you sentimentaly and she fears she might lose you.

Also, keep in mind that she is over the hill in age, and she might not get another opportunity to meet a stud like you.

Keep the faith my fellow brother!

The masterater

So do I mi amigo, so do I.....What I really think is that I so not like american women ....and that in comparison to most of them, almost all others are good. So was your Romanian a "gymnast"?

I thought of going to Rio, but my company gives me exactly one time for vacation: Over the Christmas/New Years holiday. During that time, the scheduling is absolutely horrid - it would cost me no less than $1,500-odd to get to Rio, and I'm sure the hotels and such would be equally pricey. I almost posted a question asking how mongers could possibly afford travel to Rio, and of course the answer is to travel any time other than the holidays - when I tried it, fares went down to under $600-odd.

I'd like to thank everyone for their answers and such. I should mention to Ben that I only gave her the odd meal and a book or two - by any standard she's been a pretty cheap, undemanding date. (My previous girlfriend was very posh and incredibly expensive).

When E. lets herself go a bit, I definitely feel heat between us. But she doesn't let herself go often enough.

I did something similar to Masterator's advice - I sent her an email saying that I really do care a lot for her, but I thought I should see other women. She called me and told me that friendship can develop into romance, but that I should by all means see other people. I have a feeling she would get jealous if I actually did, though, and that would surely be for the good.

From what I'm hearing, it sounds like most of the characteristics I'm attracted to in her are true of other latin women as well. From my point of view, I hate having such a low dating market value as I do in the US, so the services advertising romance in places like Columbia and the like seem appealing. (No, I'm not giving up on E., but I want to consider all options). Does anyone have experiences with these places? I've noticed a very negative tone to this kind of romance in Club Hombre, and I'm not sure if this is because I'm with a bunch of hardened, cynical Mongers, or because those relationships really have a high failure rate.

I'm also wondering if the problem is simply that in today's demanding world, all relationships have a high failure rate.

I like the Univision idea. The only problem is that I can't stand alcohol. Univision is headquartered here, so there should be no problem at all finding hangouts for the Univision women. But what to do about being a non-drinker?

E. is teaching me Spanish, albiet slowly, so I will at least be well prepared for mongering or any other experiements I care to do.

D

She was not a gymnast. She was once an aspiring actress and striking beauty. By the time I met her, she was a grad student in the US. For what's it's worth, I am a sucker for beautiful faces.

There is definitely a fascination among us guys (and gals) for dating out of our own cultures. You guys complain about American girls. For me, American women still represent a foreign culture (after living here for nearly 20 years). So, I enjoy going out with them.

I think you hit the nail on the head. Foreign women are always more interesting.

Davidd,

Drink OJ or Diet Coke. Lots of posters on this board do not drink.

The idea I tried to imply by mentioning Univision is that you should look for a way to hang out in places where there will be lots of Latinas. There used to be a club in Phoenix called Interlingua. It was a place for people to learn English or Spanish. They used to have great mixers between the people learning Spanish and the people learning english. I already spoke both languages, I went to hang out and scam on chics. Look for similar situations.

I don't know for sure, but my guess is that the bad attitude toward dating services, matchmaking services etc that is found on this board is due to the fact that this board is about mongering. Most people on this board are not looking for relationships. Most of us are just looking for Sex. Relationships sometimes occurr and they get a lot of coverage. But the emphasis of the board is prostitution.

Good luck in whatever you do.