But I don't know what a dittohead is. Am I supposed to be offended?

I usually stay out of potential flame wars. However, I just wanted to weigh in here and say that Steve is clearly off his rocker. The conspiracy theories suggesting inside jobs and so forth are ridiculous enough to not even deserve a response.

Steve, I feel sorry for you.

GCL: Not to disparage your latest, but I have to admit your posts were more entertaining during the Turk5555 era. I never thought I would say it, but even I am beginning to miss Turk.

LaGuy,
I wasn't asking why you were a Bush-hater...i was using that term as opposed to liberal/democrat. My question was aimed at focusing the debate on who the terrorists are, when they attacked and why you guys believe that Bush's policies create 'more' terrorists...versus some of the theories that have been espoused. We had one attack in 2001...8 months after Bush took office. The training and visas for this action were the product of the Clinton time period. The attack in 1993, during Clinton's administration, on the WTC would have killed everyone in the WTC...what's that normally, 10,000 people? The dipshiot that planted the explosives put it in the wrong place. So how has Bush upped the ante? I'm just looking for some examples.

You may be correct on your last statement. al Qaeda leadership has admitted that fighting in Afghanistan and Iraq is futile. Terrorists should move to other areas in the middle east. Today they attacked the US Embassy in Syria. Amazingly, the terrorist-state Syrian govt killed all but one of the terrorists.

AzGuy,
that was one funny post . . . or . . . ditto (!)

Cat, as much as I usually agree with you, I dont see how Bush being in office had anything to do with the attack. Your suggesting that if Clinton had been in office, the goal of the terrorists would have been to provoke Clinton into invading Iraq and Afganhistan by someother type of attack? I cant imagine anyone even dreaming we would have invaded Iraq. So how could Osama have fashioned an attack designed to make Clinton do anything so stupid as to invade a country that had nothing whatesoever to do with the terrorist event?

Personally I find the conspiracy theories Steve opines funny. Ridiculous to think our own government planted bombs in the WTC, but funny that someone would actually belive that garbage.

Also, I am no fan of the Bush administration. He totally lost me on this Iraq war. I am one of the people who thinks we should put Saddam back in power, issue him an apology and get out of Iraq immediately. But to compare the Bush administration to Stalin or the Nazi final solution or the Rwanda genocide... I think thats far fetched. ALso, making such radical comparisons doesnt really serve you well since arguments like that lose people versus winning support of anyone on the fence.

There's no need to argue with moonbats point for point, just let them go and they eventually discredit themselves.

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• The near certainty of the use of torture
• Flat out criminal activities such as Extraordinary Rendition and Domestic Espionage
• Abrogating the Geneva Conventions
• Secret CIA Prisons
• Concentration Camps like Gitmo where people are held indefinitely without Due Process
• Making up a class of people, "Enemy Combatants", to justify its actions
• Secret Courts and Secret Evidence

It is interesting how this topic on the US dollar has morphed into a political rant on the merits of Bush and Clinton. It's the correct morph in my opinion, because the value of the dollar rests on the political stability of the government. I have found whenever a discussion turns to the current president, the sides are drawn by age. I don't understand why this is, but the Pro-Bush people are almost always over 50. The anti-Bush people are almost always under 50. Has anyone else noticed this? I used to argue with my father over this for hours, we are on opposite sides of the 50. Then I read Paul O'Neill book, The Price of Loyalty. I gave it to my father. All the discussions stopped. He hasn't changed his opinion, I believe out of stubberness, but O'Neill shoots down all his beliefs. What's great about this book, is O'Neill's integrity is beyond question. So, all I can suggest is anyone who is in agreement with Bush's policies read Paul O'Neill book before you vote this November.

smitopher, I seriously doubt you would be espousing the above with such vigor right before a knife was plunged into your throat and your head chopped off by a fanatical muslim. Or am I wrong about that? Tell me if I am. Wait, now that I think about it, they would be justified in chopping your head off because your government started all of this right? They are the innocent, and to think how poorly we have treated them all this time. Guilt by association, sucks both ways. AZ

Bluelight:

The exit polls I have seen from the 2004 election show with the exception of those under the age of 30, the relative support for Bush over Kerry remained constant for each age group. In other words, whether you were over 50 or not did not affect who you supported, unless you were under the age of 30. I suspect the increased support for Kerry for those under 30 may have reflected fears about re-introduction of the draft to support the Iraq war.

There are plenty of anti-Bush people over the age of 50.

Just heard on CNN that Hugo Chavez, President of Venezuela, has just adopted Stevepenmen's theory about how the U.S. staged 9/11 to justify agression against the rest of the world. And to think it all started here on this board.

Gentlemen,

I would add my two cents to this discussion, but given the current decline of the dollar, it's not worth much.

Jag

Laguy I wasn't aware of that. Do you think it still is true?

Bluelight:

I began to post that I thought it still was true, and then decided to try to check it out with an internet search.

Presidential approval polls typically do not break it down for age group (at least those I saw from a brief survey) but I did come across a Pew survey from last February as to whether voters favored a generic Democratic or Republican candidate for Congress. Although this does not necessarily translate directly into support for Bush, in the current environment it would seem to be highly correlated.

Here were the results broken down by age:

Under 30
Republican 34
Democrat 55
Other/Undecided 7

30-49
Republican 45
Democrat 47
Other/Undecided 8

50-64
Republican 38
Democrat 53
Other/Undecided 9

65+
Republican 41
Democrat 48
Other/Undecided 11

Although one poll from six or seven months ago does not definitively answer the question, it does provide some measure of support for the notion Bush supporters are no more likely to come from the over 50 crowd than from the younger crowd (with the exception the under 30's are more anti-Republican/Bush).

I like Smitopher's deep concern over how we are treating people trying to kill us. It's touching.

One problem with torturing and treating our enemies inhumanely is that irrespective of how they treat us, having the U.S. do this has the effect of establishing norms that can come back and bite us in the ass. McCain, among others seems very concerned about this issue, having himself been the subject of inhumane treatment.

Moreover (and related to the above point), it was no coincidence that the number of beheadings of westerners increased after the Abu Ghraib abuses were brought to light nor was it a coincidence that those who were beheaded were outfitted in orange jump suits. Of course, the Abu Ghraib tortures did not justify the beheadings, but those who live in the real world understand there was a relationship between the two and that what goes around often comes around, as unfair and unjust as this can often be.

Smitopher's deep concern doesn't strike me as concern for those who are trying to kill us. It strikes me as concern over what type of society we wish to live in and what types of treatment we want to encourage others to direct at us. Moreover, while there clearly is a mass of people who would kill us at a moment's notice and nothing short of their death will change that, the kneejerk Bushites should understand it is not in our interest to contribute to an expansion of the number of people in that group, as such things as the torture scandals and Iraq war do.

http://pewresearch.org/reports/?ReportID=26
I found a poll from 6/6/06:

job approval % 12/04 6/06
18-29 40 29
30-49 49 34
50-64 51 32
65+ 53 33

I guess I was really wrong. That 1 out of 3 that agree with Bush sure are a noisy bunch.

Man, I had a great post and just deleted it. Whats the point. No one is going to change anyones mind on here. We are just going to get pissed off at each other. Like I said before pussy and politics dont mix. AZ

As far as which age group votes for which party I got a couple comments for ya, whether it changes anybody's mind or not, it's all in fun AzGuy : )

To paraphrase Winston Churchill, "A man under 30 who is not a liberal has no heart. A man over 30 who is not a conservative has no brain."

In America, the 65+ crowd generally supports the Democrat Party. (This doesn't equate to every single race, but on the majority of races.) Therefore you may here cynical conservatives read the obituary column and say, "The democrats lost another vote today." Of course you'll hear Democrats from Chicago and Miami/Dade say, "We just picked up two more votes." (The dead voter and the "living" voter....different addresses so they'll vote in different precincts now. And they may not have been registered to vote previously.)

The under 30 vote, but I would bring it back to under 24/25 doesn't vote. So no matter how many marches they attend to try to hook up with the hottie in their class or at work, they don't care enough or take the time to go vote during the election.

Take this lite.... Smitopher Quote >>> What I find deeply disturbing are;
The near certainty of the use of torture <<< You are one moral dude. Mo power to ya. As far as I'm concerned, for every head they've cut off we should torture 1,000,000 prisoners and then kill them. Because setting them free would only 'increase' the number of terrorists.

Flat out criminal activities such as Extraordinary Rendition and Domestic Espionage <<<Yeah, Clinton only used the FBI to keep tabs on American citizens. I actually don't like this crap either...but Democrats have no moral high ground here.

Abrogating the Geneva Conventions <<< They don't wear uniforms and they cut people's heads off. F-them while shiotting down their neck.

Secret CIA Prisons <<<< What about the CIA isn't secret? Is this worse than where Russia is keeping the Oil Tycoon? Is it worse than where China is keeping their disidents? Is it worse than where the Palestinians are keeping the Israeli soldiers?

Concentration Camps like Gitmo where people are held indefinitely without Due Process <<<< Do you prefer we shoot them on the battlefield as has been done under past Democrat Presidents or would you like to let them go (which has been done) so they can go back to Afghanistan and kill Coalition soldiers? (which has been done) Your use of the term concentration camps is 'over the top' IMHO as we haven't killed anyone at Club Gitmo.

Making up a class of people, "Enemy Combatants", to justify its actions <<<<< Smit, What do you call the terrorists? They don't fight for a govt, so they're not an Army.

Secret Courts and Secret Evidence <<<<< This is a Democrat Idea

I find it frustrating that the group-think espoused by the Neocons is so happily lapped up by dittoheads and other simpletons. <<<<<< I personally don't lap up squat, but check your team's MoveOn ditto quantities first

I feel better now that I have vented. I'm going to Disneyland (or rather Angeles City) <<<<<<<< Ya lucky booger(!) but this is the politics section, take your debaucherus self elsewhere.

Laguy, I really don't care if they let an elephant fuck them in the ass.

Besides, what our guys are doing doesn't come close to the commonly accepted definition of torture. That's just people being hysterical again.

Gentlemen, gentlemen,

This kind of bashing and arguing amongst ourselves, thrashing me like I was a terrorist..........not that I am surprised, but this is exactly why we are fucked as a country.

Jese, the responses here! Who was it that said "SP's conspiracy theories?" Guys, I don't write this stuff............you attack me for mentioning this material, and stating my beliefs thereof, but what you call "9-11 conspiracy theories" are all over the internet. Why? Because it was a fucking scam and half the world, as well as half the country, knows it. Yes, it is clear what 50% I am on.....and?.....

One cannot deny the facts, no matter how hard one may try. With such things historically, there are three phases to the emergence of truth that has been covered up;

1. Vehement and agressive denial
2. Ridicule and cover up
3. Acceptance

There may be decades between these phases. But we don't have decades guys. We are extremely close to blowing up everything we know if we all don't wake up to the real facts of divide and conquer. Christ, look what just happened here!

From blazing saddles : "Mongo just pawn in game of life...."

We are all pawns in this game to the people who are running the show. You are deluded to think that a Muslim, who loves his children just the same as a Christian or a Jew, just plainly hates you because of the propaganda you have let the mass media jam up your rear-end over your lifetime.

A lot of good things have been said here, aside from the slandering and saying ridiculous things like;
"what our guys are doing doesn't come close to the commonly accepted definition of torture....." this comment comes from somone who does not read.

One thing is for certain. Continuing on this path will lead to
WW III, the deaths of millions everywhere, and the destruction of everything we have loved in this world. And whomever wins that war, you won't want to be around to live with them.......

Or we can smarten up and come together as a planet. Many people in all cultures want to, but WAR is a greedy machine that feeds the pockets of the true owners of this country right now. They want a one world facsict state, and are very close to getting it.

So, I am a fucking idiot? I am nuts? Self-medicating? Sniffing glue? Barefoot and playing a flute in a tree? If you think I am the only one promoting this attitude, then whoever said back there that my comments aren't worth responding to on this board is absolutely correct.......in other words, in these deep woods, I know I'm not the one who is lost.

SP

Stevepenmen, remember that old saying "don't believe everything you hear"? That applies to reading too - especially on the internet: http://www.popularmechanics.com/blog/911mythsblog

LAGuy said;

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Ya lucky booger(!) but this is the politics section, take your debaucherus self elsewhere.

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SP,

Here are two books you might read:

"How We Know What Isn't So: The Fallability of Human Reason in Everyday Life"
by Thomas Gilovich
1991, The Free Pree, a division of Simon and Schuster

"Why People Believe Weird Things: Pseudoscience, Superstition, and Other Confusions of Our Time"
Michael Shermer, with forward by Stephen Jay Gould
1997, Henry Holt and Company

Please read these and then get back to us.

As probably one of the few members, probably the only one, on this board who has actually witnessed a public execution, live and on-site, I have my own opinions as to their value.

Cat, you kinda lost me there. Which post are you responding to?

Ahh yes, the Popular Mechanics article(s). Guys, I have read everything pretaining to this subject from the fantasy laden 9-11 Report to George Humphrey's book, 9-11 the Great Illusion.

Being a physician for 22 years, as well as being a voracious reader and prolific writer, I know how "junk science" can be thrown out to further confuse the masses. I don't care what someone at MIT or Popular Mechanics has said......they cannot change the natural laws of physics, and common sense is still, common sense. They fervently want you to believe otherwise because their asses are on the line for jail if they do not. Sureeeeeeeeeeee guys, it is likely that Titanium and steel can totally vaporize without a trace, and a paper passport can conveniently survive. Everything was moved out of ground 0 so fast you'll never be able to find the residues of question of those steel beams of the old towers............propaganda stories for the brain-dead, and the increadible violation of one of the most important crime scenes in our history..........that in and of itself speaks louder than I could ever.

Every good book ends where it begins, and I started my rant a number of weeks ago by answering what I thought was the problem with the American dollar, which I believe was the initial thrust of this conversation. I said the problem is that is was always doomed to fail when the gold standard was taken away. The paper Federal Reserve Note is not backed by anything. It used to be a note, or a receipt, for something of value like a precious metal. I have yet to hear anyone on this board state what exactly the American dollar is backed by...........? Doesn't anyone know? Could it be that we have a currency that is backed by absolutely NOTHING? As a result of this fact that everyone seems to miss, our currency can be, and always has been, manipulated at will to win or fail by the people who make it: Baron Von Rothchild once said;
"Give me control over a nation's supply of money, and I care not who makes the laws."

In the 90's criminal wall street types promoted "money markets" with high yields that inflated the market and created the huge vacuum we are experiencing in the economy today. People were told that if they kept their money in these scams for 15 years they would have a high yield at the end; but they all wound up losing everything, didn't they. They were robbed. Today, that vacuum is sucking you dry as well through increasing prices of all commodities, and this is just the beginning. People are losing jobs, long awaited pensions and retirement funds, overtime, all to compensate for this vacuum. Some people around wall street got extremely wealthy.......the rest of us got fucked in the ass by the elephant dick Arellius speaks of. This economic collapse was planned and calculated, and so was 9-11. The items you are refusing to understand revolve around the basic premise that we all get fucked in the ass by that elephant dick as these war mongering assholes are in power and get to roam the world pillaging for more booty. They win BIG TIME, and we will always be getting fucked in the ass.

Notice I have not bothered to argue with you, and I continually say believe what you want. Right now, you have the right to do so; soon, the state will tell you what to think and believe, and by merely mentioning dissenting information contrary to the "party line," you too will be black bagged and thrown in Guantanamo Bay to experience some of that more Humane Torture that Arellius speaks about.

SP

Smitopher, that's twice you called me a name. That usually implies that I am getting under your skin, which I like.

I find it interesting that several of you are completely against any type of coerced interrogation (not torture as you hysterically describe it), yet its a free-for-all on the Chat board over what to do with some guy who told a girl about her photo on the internet. I realize that some of that is simply joking around, but would you ever joke around like that over what to do about someone that murder 3000 Americans. Something tells me no.

The Right Way had it correct before he flamed out. I paraphrase, but he said something to the effect that he couldn't believe what he was hearing. That some of you were more concerned with how you were going to get perfume to your whores rather than the safety of the airplane or the country.

Arellius,

So you're dealing in symantecs now? Coerced interrogation is ok since by your definition it's not torture? Well, there is a treaty called the Geneva Convention that provides a standard definition. If you violate it, you're no better than the North Vietnamese or Japanese or Khmer Rouge or whatever nation has blatently violated that agreement in the past. Since the US has overtly crossed the line of violation, you can't really go back in the future. The "moral highground" that the Neocons always espouse is gone for good. You're no better than some North Vietnamese prison guard whipping a POW and throwing him in a sweat box for a week.

Cat; don't you see what is happening here, history IS repeating itself.............this is a parallel to the Nazi Germany of the early 30's. There will be collaborators, guys who say "SHOOT THAT FUCK," referring to me for what I say; There will be the intellectuals who refuse to give in to the propaganda like me......the true scientists, doctors and professors who refuse to be bought; we are always the first ones shot and demonized.......then the rest of the population cowers away in fear until they can't take it anymore and a revolution is begun..........as I say, history repeats itself.

This is all because the masses are brainwashed by the warmongering philosophy. They still believe that WAR is actually going to accomplish something. They still believe that more aggression will lead to peace..........maybe one day we will learn if indeed we survive.

SP the fucking idiot

SP the fucking idiot, its is so funny to see people on the sidelines act like they are in the game. Even better, that they are better at the game than the actual players. So SP, what would your response have been if you were president on 9/11? Here is your chance to make the world right again and live in peace and harmony. This should be easy for you since you have the advantage of looking back. AZ

I am not an American, but my brother is. I live in Jo'burg South Africa but my brother and his family live in New York, My brother works on Wall St. I am a Zionist and have always considered myself pro-American, but not blindly so. I write this as prologue so you will know where I stand. After 9-11 there was so much goodwill towards the States and the people of NY that, at the time, I could not imagine anything the US government could do to turn the people of the world against the USA but as the world held its breath Bush found a way and it was simple, by betraying everything that America stands for, its as simple as that. While George jnr. let BL's family fly home to Saudi Arabia from US without even being interviewed by the FBI he created an environment of fear and mistrust. He openly lied about WoMD. He created a situation for tourism to thrive in a way that has never existed before. Wile insisting on rights for Americans he denied these same rights to Non-Americans. He dismantled you freedoms in the name of patriotism. Looking in from the outside I am sadden, but most Americans seem to have this "if you are not with us you are against us" attitude that makes open debate impossible.

Why is the dollar in trouble? Simple answer Money reflect the confidence that people have in a government in the same way that share prices reflect the confidence people have in the management of a company.

Isawal, to be a good American today is to speak out against this present course of events, which are anything but American; I am in full agreement with you. Bush was told by his bosses to gear the world up for WW III, and he has done a great job making the rest of the world disrespect and hate us.

Now Azguy, my fellow fucking idiot, the answer to your rhetorical question is: I would never be elected president because I actually have read, and KNOW the united states constitution and the bill of rights backwards and forwards. I am a decent human being and a good American...........they don't let those kinds of people sit in the White House anymore.

SP the redefined

Isawal,

I assume you meant terrorist, not tourism, regardless of the fact that our Dear Leader Bush can't actually pronounce terrorist and it sounds like tourist/tourism (or sometimes "terriers", maybe he prefers cats over dogs but not so much so as to hate).

GB Jr is the perfect moron stooge for the military-industrial complex.......is anyone here familiar with Eisenhower's famous speech? Someone made a documentary out of it. More food for thought for those who still have the ability to think.

SP the American

Penmen, I say again, you are a caricature. If I wanted to imagine a better example of a leftard, I couldn't do it.

If anyone wants to hear more of his rantings, I refer you to his thoughts on AIDs some months back. Here is a sample:

Here is the deal on HIV. The entire HIV - AIDS connection is nothing but a HUGE SAC OF BULL SHIT PROPORTED BY THE CDC FOR PROFIT....there, now that the main point has been said, let me tell you without giving up too much of my anomitity that I know what I am talking about due to my lifetime research and work. The connections between HIV and AIDS has NEVER BEEN PROVEN BY ANY SCIENTIFIC STUDY.

https://www.clubhombre.com/display.php?url=https://www.clubhombre.com/discus/messages/91/542.html

Azguy the solution IMHO is to bankrupt them. The same strategy BL is using on America. The current government will never attempt it because they are nothing but a proxy for big oil. TO bankrupt the Terriorist you would bankrupt big oil also.

Yes.............okay Arellius.......like you have a leg to stand on when debating me on medical issues.......I am happy you posted the site as well so people can find the references....

by the way, here is another post from that one;

"I have been involved in AIDS/HIV treatment and research here in San Diego at the Owen Clinic at UCSD for 14 years.

What Stevepenpan is saying is understood as true by many of the staff physicians. It is never spoken of in clinic or on campus.

It would jeapardize the job of anyone who even hints that AIDS can be present without HIV infection.

Although we all know it's true and documented.

I am not prepared to present footnoted research, although there are reams of it.

I would just like to support his statements relative to AIDS/HIV and encourage everyone to continue to please be careful.

It's a fun hobby, as I remember, but can have some pretty nasty consequenses... ;) I logged over 30 years in the hobby since I was 19 touring SEA with the USN.

PS Steve, I am also interested to trade and share info about integrative treatments for patients in these categories. Pm me"

Arellius, you have to get better at your version of SPIN to keep me responding.......your banter is getting boring......
...were you that "monkey ass-fucking" guy from that post? Can't remember............anyway, lets stay to this point;

AZ asked what I would do if I were President: I'll bet he and Arellius are going to be sorry they asked that;

1. I would have ran out of that school and declared an immediate national emergency.
2. Being commander and chief (at least on paper), I would have scrambled planes up there as fast as I could fart dixie to protect and shoot down any further threats.
3. I would have detained further and questioned avidly those Isreali's who were found celebrating and slapping each other five on a near-by roof top while the tragedy was occurring.
4. I would not have let the Bin Laden relatives leave this country until they were also questioned adequately.
5. I would have NEVER cleared away the rubble that quickly. The way it was done, it was obvious they were trying to hide the evidence. I would have had experts immediately study the beams for residue and case the area for more evidence until ALL OF IT WAS FOUND. Including the black boxes.
6. I would detain all American personal who did not do their job and ask serious public questions as to WHY.
7. I would have EVERYONE testify under Oath immediately, not waiting until they could stir up a spin, to get to the bottom of things and honor the dead and their families.
8. I would have all the video evidence studies and make it public.
9. I would make public the statements of eye witnesses, especially the firemen.
10. I would seriously examine the policy of immigration in the country.
11. I would find the guilty by honest and valid means, give them a fair trial, and have them be accountable for their crimes. Most likely, this would account to many convictions of Treason.

But then again, I wouldn't be president then, now would I?

I maintain that the proof is out there staring everyone in the face right now, and I am certainly NOT the loudest voice. I am just stating the obvious, and going about my life.

Arellius, take a traquilizer or something man.........

SP

Oh no! Not more debacle and deception around 9-11!

http://www.larouchepub.com/pr/2001/011213fox_isr_spies.html

SP

I need a tranquilizer?

Bluelight, I don’t claim to fully understand all of the ramifications, but looking at it simply I would agree with you. If we were not so oil-dependent we could make the middle east insignificant, which would lessen many of the issues around the discussions we are having. As you can tell, I am not a big conspiracy guy, but I do believe the oil companies have fucked us all over a long period of time. If there was ever a time in history that we need to stop fucking around and get rid of our dependence on oil, it is now. Then we can just let the stupid fucks over there just kill each other off. They have been doing it from the beginning of time and honestly, I think it’s a way of life for some of them. The mother fuckers just like to kill. AZ

PS SteveP Im sorry, but its hard to take you serious with some of the stuff you come up with. Its actually kind of funny stuff. I am not trying to be a smart ass here, but it seems like you dont get out much. AZ

Azguy I agree totally!

OMG, a physician from San Diego with wacky ideas. Deja vu all over again.

My old refrigerator is still dead. I have a new one now.

Blissman,

I hear you southerners use the refrigerator boxes as vacation homes; is that true?

Jag

Gcl, I'm in northern California, not southern.

Azguy, you're right, I spend a lot of time reading and teaching my 5 kids. I'm a pretty dedicated parent. Guess that's why I love to party when I finally do get out.....IMHO, good parents don't get out much.

also, you wrote....."some of the stuff you come up with?" Like I invented it? MSNBC completed a recent poll: the question they asked:
"Do you believe any 9/11 conspiracy theories that indicate the U.S. government was involved? "

.....and the result......

"As of this typing, 52% of Americans think the US Government was complicit in 9-11. "

I am certain that if the same poll was done on this board, it may show up as 1 or 2%......but you guys are in fantasy land if you think everyone believes the party line regarding 9-11. Talk about funny!

What is funny to me is that you guys think this is something new or wierd. And AZ, I appreciate your respectful tone......

Arellius, alright, Prosac may be better......

I believe we have officially worn this one out!

Good-night ladies,

SP

Stevie, I just hope you do not pass gas in the operating room because I know an anesthesia guy in SD who has let the gas go tohis head and he thinks he is a six foot five, black, ex-navy seal who works on the side as a bodyguard for Snoop Dog.

"Prosac"? You're a physician who doesn't know how to spell Prozac??

No Jag. You have fallen for another myth about life in the cultural center of Earth. We do NOT use refrigerator boxes for vacation homes. Those are NOT southern tourists camping on the city streets up north.

Refrigerator boxes (crates) are taken much more seriously here. We use them for caskets. It is considered tall cotton to be buried in a Maytag. I can still remember my Aunt Ragina shriveling proudly in her casket with that proud brand emblazoned on the side. My cousin Econoline lovingly stored the crate, er, casket in his attic for 7 years before it was brought out with bittersweet joy on the day of his mother's demise.

I give this pledge with every one of you as a witness: I will rob 5 zippy marts with an rusty phillips head screwdriver before any relative of mine is buried in a "Roper".

Where folks come up with these bizzare misconceptions about the polished culture of the deep south is God's own private mystery...

BTW, Aunt Ragina choked on a peachseed. The nasty rumors that Nancy Grace (the cunt) spread via that conduit of Satan known as cable TV are TOTALLY UNTRUE.

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SF?? Where the fuck did you come from?!.........yeah, I fall asleep at the wheel sometimes here and fly on the keys..........shoot me! Are we having a spelling bee now? Stop being such a pussy........

Gcl - Don't do the operation thing - prefer bloodless healing wherever possible. I am six foot five, but a cracka............but I think I know the guy you speak of; he's still working for Snoop Dog. In med school he would love to cut the dicks off the cadavers and place them on the teachers desk.......sick fuck,

Really now, good night

SP