Has anyone had any issues renewing security clearences since 9/11? They changed the rules big time since then, actually the rules went into effect a couple months before 9/11.

When I filled out their documents and was interviewed for for my clearence renewal, 99% of their questions had to do with 32 international trips over 7 years that I was compelled to list (I even missed two trips that they told me about). They also interviewed a lot of other people about my traveling.

anyone else run into this?

not yet - I hope never. I have a friend with a TS clearence - he just got back from Thailand. He said no problems, just told them he was going beforehand. I did the same for this trip to Rio.

So how did you answer the questions about the trips?

Did you skirt the issue or let them know the real reason?

I've been mongering for 15 years and had various clearance levels the whole time. I would think if they ask just say you went on whoring trips. Be honest, I seriously doubt they would give much of a shit about it.

The biggies are still the same - debts and drugs.

I agree with Cat... I have had a couple of FBI and TSA background checks in the past two years, and no questions about my trips.

RG.

I have held a DIS secret clearance for most of my adult life. However, I have rejected several employer requests for EBI and TS upgrades because they begin with a major invasion of privacy and require foreign travel pre-approval forever. I always wonder when the FBI will visit to discuss my 3 AM border crossings from NOGI, but that has not happened yet.

Cat - true trustworthiness is a key to them but I stopped short of telling them that I'm on whoring trips. My guess is that the whoring would be comparable to debt issues as you would be vulnerable to the bad guys and they can use that info to coerce you into doing the wrong things.

My answers were, a week in CR, Brazil or 2 weeks in PI or Thailand were a lot cheaper than a week in South Beach.

I fortunately have friends and family that live in all those countries which I offered to provided names and phone numbers to them to verify.

BTW, they have changed some of the automatic disqualifiers and are revoking some clearances. Big one that is just making the flowdown is being sentenced to imprisonment for more than one year and and being incarcerated for more than one year. I know one person that has had his clearance revoked by this rule.

Why would whoring be a red flag? Maybe if you're married but what blackmail could really come from it? Some bargirl drops the dime to your employer that you paid to fuck her?

Think of it this way - gays used to be routinely disqualified because the opinion was it could be leveraged due to the stigma. Now, it's not an issue - unless you're active-duty military. Honestly, if you're single, I would just say you're whoring.

I assume this came up during an SSBI? I don't think I would lie about it on a lifestyle poly, but for SSBI you can get away with it.

Don't be embarrased about mongering - it's a time-honored tradition in military and intel circles. When I was in Korea everyone mongered, at least a bit. In Okinawa if a minibus of filipina bargirls drove past and saw me half the passengers would wave at me. I was five feet outside Gate 4 at Kadena one time, two vans came by from opposite directions and an LBFM from each van simultaniously yelled out my name - and waved - as they rolled past. I was with a couple of customers at the time, two civilian women and an Air Force major. The gringas started busting my chops and the major asked which bar they worked at (it was the Dolphin but that's not important). No sweat, happens all the time.

Wow Cat, Okinawa? Now that brings back memories of when I was in the Suck. Ever make it down to Naha? There was this joint on a side street that had a revolving stage and a geisha show and afterwards filipinas would come out and pick people from the audience to fuck them on the stage.

I spent a lot of time just about everywhere between the airport and Camp Courtney. We generally did not spend much time in Naha itself, but would go down there occasionally.

A lot of that stuff was gone when I was there. I was out there primarily in 1995-1997, just after the big rape incident with those Marines, and the clubs had seriously toned down. There were still a few places with "banana ladies" and so forth, and there was at least one place - in Naha actually - that was similar to what you described. If I remember it right, it was more a lottery and when you entered you got a ticket and dropped it in the bowl. About every couple of hours, in between the regular show, they would pick a name out and invite the guy up to fuck the girl. Could have been the same place, it was a bit out of the way down a few streets, away from the nightclubs and pachinko parlors and all that loud noisy shit.

Remember Whisper Alley in Awase?

Ah yes; Whisper alley. I remember that place when I deployed to Camp Shields a long time ago.

RG.

(Message edited by roadglide on October 14, 2007)

Oh yeah, I was well acquainted with the toothless demimonde of Whisper Alley. I would go there for a gumming.

Cat. Check this out. It doesn't matter whether you were prosecuted or not. Or a "hobby" or not.

"Sexual behavior of a criminal nature, whether or not the individual has been prosecuted"

http://usmilitary.about.com/od/theorderlyroom/l/blsecsexual.htm

Here's an actual case and appeal for a clearance

http://www.dod.mil/dodgc/doha/industrial/07-05593.h1.pdf

Yes, he did get his clearance but only after an appeal and a lot of time and effort.

Snooky, that says "criminal nature." Paying for sex is actually legal in a large number of countries, and in the state of Nevada. Nothing criminal about it.

Wrong....

Under Nevada state law, any county with a population of less than 400,000 is allowed to license brothels if it so chooses[1]. As of 2007, Clark County (which contains Las Vegas) and Washoe County (which contains Reno) are the only counties with population above 400,000.[2] Incorporated towns and cities in counties that allow prostitution may regulate the trade further or prohibit it altogether.

These are rhetorical questions so don't answer them.

1) If a foreign country allows you to have sex with a 14 YO would you find this acceptable?

2) Do you think the the US government would consinder this acceptable or abnormal sexual behavior?

I've done over a thousand different women over the last 15 years of mongering and have gone through three seperate background investigations since I started. I've never had a problem, but I cannot speak for everyone. Just from what I know about the process, I don't think they would give a shit. Past recreational drug use is no longer a major deal. Homosexuality is no longer a major deal. I don't think going to foreign countries for a vacation and not breaking a law while there is a big deal.

Lying is a big deal, and it sound like from your first post you've already done that at some point in your investigation. Maybe you didn't lie but you didn't tell the whole truth either. I guess my point is, live your life the way you want to live it. There are plenty of jobs that don't require clearances and I consider the current clearance requirements to be absolutely insane. Agencies keep slapping TS and above on shit that should not be classified as such, thus creating a perpetual motion machine of more and more positions needing more and more clearances. Stupid is as stupid does. There's a massive shortage of people with clearances these days and if they want to bounce yours because you fucked a hooker it's their loss. I doubt they would do so.

Damn, some please tell me that Catacony did not just quote Forrest Gump!

please insert "some" before the word "one" in the above post. I hate it when I cannot match typing speed/thought speed.

Right....

A. I'm well aware that it is not legal in TWO counties. And it is up to local county ordinances as to whether it is in others. But that doesn't change the fact of my original statement in which I said it is legal in the state of Nevada. Because it is.

B. Your rhetorical questions strike me as rather bizarre. Why are you asking if I find it "acceptable"? Sex with a minor is illegal under US law, regardless of the locale. Doesn't matter what country one is in, or what local ordinances dictate. We're discussing mongering here, not child abuse. Commercial transactions by mutual consent with a person over the age of 18 is legal in many countries.

Blissman: I am having great difficulty following your instructions and have reached brain gridlock. I tried to insert the word "some" before the word "one" in your post, but don't seem able to do so as there is no word "one" to insert the "some" before. Please help me before I go insane.

(Message edited by LAguy on October 17, 2007)

Blissman,

As LAGuy has noticed, your mad cow disease seems to be progressing nicely. Within a couple of years you won't have to go on trips anymore because you won't be able to remember if you actually went or not. We'll just drop by your doublewide every few months and rearrainge and/or rename the pics of your past conquests and you'll think you met a whole new bunch of garotas.

Wow, Laguy and Catacony agree on one thing, that I am an idiot. Together, Jimmy Carter, Honda and I make more accords than anyone.

Doublewide? Did you see something in the tea leaves at the bottom of your coffee that indicated that I am in for an upgrade? Tell me more.

No need to come in and rename my photos. I can look at them with the original names and still think I met some new ones. The good news about my declining mental capabilities is that I have not seen a television rerun in several years.

I suspect that I have always been this forgetful but I just cannot remember it.