This is the girl my TJ trip buddy is head over heels about. I mean, this guy really loves her. And although I've tried to talk him outta these "highs-school crush" feelings for her, he won't get her out of his mind. Then one day I showed him this thread on her and explained in detail that although Marianna does in fact appear to be a very nice genuine person (I've gone to lunch and dinner with her many times) she is still a girl who's a little too ignorant to know a good thing when she see's it.

My trip buddy "David" (not his real name, but I have to protect the guilty) wanted to "rescue" her from this street life and give her a better life in the US, but all she kept doing was himming and hawing about not being too sure about wanting to go back with him.

Personally, I think Marianna is one of the nicest and sweetest SG's you could ever want to meet. Although I have never fucked her, and certainly have no intention of either, I have discovered she does have a very charming personality. When I went through some emotional turmoil over the loss of my Las Chavelas chica, (Wendy) she was a good shoulder to cry on. I think it's only a matter of time when my buddy wakes up and smells the coffee and realizes she's not going to move from that spot and then hopefully he'll move on. And knowing him, he'll fall madly in love with another SG. But I have told him many times, although I am not opposed to him or anyone falling for a hooker( After all, I did once) he should try and improve his standards a little, and meet a nice girl at the AB, they just seem to have a little more class and a better head on their shoulders.

Master Bates.

Would it help your friend "David" to know she's VERY nice to me too? I know it's love when she wraps her tongue around my bare cock and then slowly sucks me into bliss? How about knowing that her precious lips (both sets) get regularly parted by my dick?

I have friends the fuck girls the world over. There are places where a woman can make you feel like a KING!!!! She kisses you and loves you like there is no other man in the world for her except you!! She gives her heart to you... and it's ALL bullshit!!

It's unfortunate that "David" feels the need to "rescue" Mariana. I have met MANY wonderful women "in the biz" here, there and everywhere and they all have one thing in common: THEY'RE WHORES!! They fux for bux. As wonderful as they seem, it is a show. This is how they make money. The ones that do it better (whether serendipitously falling into the routine or cultivating it through years of experience/training) make more money and are more successful then their mechanical, bored-looking counterparts.

Girls like her in Asia are a dime a dozen and cuter too!! I can bar fine a GORGEOUS woman from a bar at 8pm and kick her out of my room the following afternoon after banging her 3-5 times!! She will tell me how much she cares about me and will kiss me like her first true lover and I know it's all bola bola. It's the game and how it's played. A woman with Mariana's looks and attitude (as stellar as they are in TJ) would not make 200p ($4) a day in Asia...

Let your friend know she's a whore and get him laid elsewhere. Take him to AB and introduce him to Tania, Candie or Gloria (perhaps all three). They will break this spell.

Most mongers need to hear this kind of thing from time to time. I know that I have friends that keep me "balanced" and I return the favor when required. If "David" needs a wake-up call then I would be more then happy to deliver one over a beer in a local club one night. I am more then willing to answer this call to duty as required.

Also, do your friend "David" a favor and KEEP HIM OUT OF ASIA!! If he's this way in TJ he'll come back from Thailand or the PI married!!

E

Thanks Epimethus, for the Reality Check..I too, have tried to "save and rescue" these damsels in distress......You end up getting lied to, cheated on, and manipulated to no end...... On rare occasions, however, you may find that right one...

Yes, thanks for that, Mr. E. Upon reading your very informative and tell-it-like-it-is thread, I called my buddy "David" immediately this morning at 6:00 a.m. and read to him your input. He didn't belive me, so he logged on to ClubHombre and called me back immediately. I could hear the tremor in his voice and he admitted he had tears in his eyes knowing it's now confirmed that his girl of the Zona, Marianna actually has the ordacity to fuck around on him. (his words, not mine) and has no other choice but to accept reality and know he's not going to find his future wife standing on the corner in the Zona.

I have to admit, I've often found myself seeking not just companionship, but love with a hooker in TJ. If the right girl came along, and if I found the woman of my dreams, it wouldn't matter one bit if I knew she worked at the AB and sold her ass for a living. (well alright, it probably would bother me a little bit) But the point is, I can see where my friends emotional turmoil is coming from.

After some very unsuccessful relationships myself, and after seeking and finding comfort with hookers in TJ over the years, one is always left to wonder how the hell these girls end up doing what they do, when I would not only enjoy having sex with them, but being with them also and spending some quality time with them, ie, dinner, movies, etc. Some hookers I've known on a regular basis, have character and personality which far exceeds any regular girl I've known and loved in my regular life.

Incidentally, your advice on taking him to the AB to meet girls like Gloria, we both know her and we've both done her. A very sweet lady, whom I have often said, will make a wonderful wife for some lucky guy one day. But I still say, if ever there were some real quality women to want to get to know on a permanent basis, the AB is not an absolute impossibility to want to get attached to a girl for a permanent relationship. They have to "settle down" at some time in their lives. I often have fantasies myself about "rescuing" an AB girl and showing her off as my trophy wife.

Master Bates.

MB, Keyword fantasies, from another dreamer...

MB

Sounds like "David" is in love (or whatever this should be called). Shame really. He'll fuck up his life (emotionally, financially) and she'll end up eating him alive. She's young, but I guarantee working on the streets has left its mark. Just think about it - how many guys does she do a day? A week? How many does she show affection for? Does she give "David" special treatment? Does she do things for him that no one else has (or at least no other hooker in TJ)? I too like her and I also get "special treatment" from her. How many other guys get "special treatment"? How many others have tried to rescue her? Sure, there's a chance it could work... HAHAHAHAAHHAH!!!!!!!!

I have friends that have enjoyed women the world over. Invariably someone will say "but this girl is different." The only way she's different then ALL the others is if she has a third tit!! Trust me, I've checked EVERY SQUARE INCH and not an extra breast to be found...

If you REALLY want the trophy wife go to the Philippines. They are like tiny latinas with better English and a different accent. There are some things missing from the PI women - ass implants, beer guts and a taste for music containing tubas and accordions. However, they are short and brown and VERY willing to please.

E

Yes, my friend, fellow Clubhombre site monger RampartDog has a thing for young Filipina girls and has been there quite a few times. (Man, does he have some stories to tell about that place!) He says I should save my money and at least just take a look at the chica's over there because it's absolute paradise for the lonesome American tourist with a few bucks in his pocket.

I might give it a try and venture over there someday.

Master Bates.

Gentlemen:

The thought that a SG might 'play around' with other guys is something of a joke. After all, they screw 10 guys on any given day.

Someone needs to rescue David and bring him back to reality.

Agreed, but... Fantasy is so much more fun than reality...

Oh, I don't mind fantasy, as long as it doesn't ruin your life.

Mariana is excellent at providing GFE, but you have to remember that is a fantasy.

Epimetheus,

As always you are the voice of reason... "ass implants, beer guts and a taste for music containing tubas and accordions"... I can't stop laughing because I can picture you lecturing this very subject as you sip your agua mineral... (prog)

Explorer, and other concerned mongers: I just got off the phone with my trip buddy David, ( real name witheld by request) He's also a ClubHombre member. He read this thread and told me he just returned last night after spending some quality time with Marianna.

He went on to say after doing two other SG's, this Marianna is the only woman who has ever shown him what true love and affection is. I can't take any more trips with him, because he is becoming a bit of an embarrassment. He truly believes he will one day "rescue" Marianna from this line of work. In fact, she herself has told me "David" wants to take her away from all this to a place of tranquility, calmness, peace, a place free from crowds and from crime. This place he speaks of where he wants to carry his princess to, is Los Angeles. So yes, my TJ trip buddy definitely has some head problems. He's in love with an SG and makes no bones about it. It's what makes him happy and it's what gives him sexual pleasure.

I think from time to time, it's what we all are secretly looking for, me included. But he has found it difficult to accept that Marianna gives full GFE to other mongers like Epimepheus when in fact it's just sex, no feelings involved. He says with him she actually tells him that HE is the only one for her. (His words, not mine)

Next time I'm down in the Zona with my trip buddy "David," I'll have to hook up with one of you guys and intoduce you to him, because I feel advice coming from a veteran monger who's been around the block quite a few more times than he has, will definitely instill some common sense in him. I would try and talk to him about the fact that it's just a businness transaction, but I can't anymore, I've just about given up.

I have repeatedly told him there is true love waiting for him in the form of a working girl who's employed at the Adelita. (don't laugh, I really believe it can happen because of all the past archive postings I've read from guys who've fallen in love with hookers and where they've become success stories) My story will one day be a success, I will meet and marry a TJ hooker, but I have a little more class than my friend "David." With me, the woman of my future is right now gainfully employed at the AB or CC

Thank you for allowing me to share.

Master Bates.

Prog

figured you would eventually find this post... heheh. We talk about what we know and I know SG's!!

MB

I just got back from TJ about 1/2 an hour ago and I can't believe your buddy is still on this kick. Ex said it right: she's good at giving the GFE.

Even though it was a Monday evening she was quite busy - rarely at her post because she was crossing the street with her NEW boyfriend to crank those knees behind her ears and take it like a trooper. Her passionate moans and kisses, her cute little giggles, all shared with the masses for a handful of dollars/pesos...

She's quite a charmer. I was by no means a "David", but I needed a few reality checks with this girl. She is "compelling". I think the reason we are all so attracted to her is because we're so used to a girl just laying there, chewing her gum, squacking "feeneesh" every few minutes. She's a refreshing change from what we have been conditioned to, and are willing to put up with.

MB - just be happy your friend never met Monica that stood out in front of Odessa. Now THAT woman was compelling!!!!

I will be down this coming Saturday evening probably staying over Sunday. If "David" needs a wake-up call I feel certain I can provide it for him.

E

Thanks E, I'll tell him. I loved your graphic expressions," crank those knees behind her ears and take it like a trooper....all shared with the masses," (Major LOL) Last year, I was going through some deep emotional problems and took a few trips down to the Zona to find peace and just to basically get my head together.

I would arrive a day or so early before my buddy David, and scout the area for new talent. In doing so, I would run into Marianna, where we would spend so much time laughing and joking with each other, and ocassionally going to lunch or dinner. But no sex. I didn't want my friend "David" to even think I would be indulging in sloppy seconds behind his back with his woman. She was just somebody to talk to, that's all. Just somebody who's shoulder I could cry on.

After getting to know and talk to Marianna, I discovered she is a person with character and feelings. I almost felt sorry for her at some point, knowing that she allows her body to be exploited in such a manner that she's looked upon by many mongers as only a piece of meat. It's too bad really. I know she'd make a wonderful wife for some lonely guy.

In the time I've gotten to know her, I consider her a friend. I've talked to her in length and have never had the desire to "do" her because I just wouldn't feel right about doing it. To me, it would be the same thing as a guy fucking his best friend's wife.

And yes, he has told me many times she never just lays there, but truly participates in wild GFE. I hope these recent posted messages are indeed a wake-up call for him and I know it's a matter of time before he will cure himself of this psychological hang up and come to grips with the fact that Marianna is a great girl friend for him and will always tell him what he wants to hear in bed, and will perform GFE, but that's as long as he has money.

...And who's this Monica who stood outside Odessia? Her I'd like to meet!

Master Bates.

I hope that "David" isn't too discouraged that Mariana spends her off hours with her boyfriend.

I do not want to give the impression that my time with Mariana is only "business". Many times we have enjoyed each others company without resorting to "pesos here and pesos there." She is a wonderful woman... that is also a whore in a Mexican border town.

Let's say that the heavens open for "David" and his darling wife and he are happily entrenched in their new life together. What happens when they have an argument? Will her past become an issue? Who will use it as a weapon? I guarantee this sore spot will be brought up by one of them (probably her to win w/ guilt) and paradise is now lost. She will then carry his balls in her purse and give them a BIG SQUEEZE everytime he steps out of line!! Have you ever had an argument with a "working girl" (past or present)? It's not pretty.

Yes, she'll make someone a wonderful wife. However, it will probably follow the path that Whistler's girl did oh those many months ago. She will go to a small town, find a man that will know and suspect NOTHING of her past and that is the only way she will be happy. The spectre of her past will not be present with her new "friend".

I realize many on this board are looking to "rescue" their dimpled little latina and wisk her away to the US. Here, they could care for their darling in a way that was unthinkable in her former country. As wonderful and compelling as this fantasy is... it's still a fantasy. Relationships forged like this will not last. Both sets of eyes in the relationship need to be open and I just do not see that happening here.

There are the lucky few that understand how this "game" REALLY works and can still produce a functional relationship out of these circumstances. Most of these gentlemen are older (having mongered nearly as many years as I have been alive!!) and understand what it takes to make a relationship work with ladies from this particular profession. Notice, they have relationships - NOT marriages!! Think they know something we do not...?

BTW, Ex is right - if Mariana left TJ her boyfriend would be REALLY PISSED!!

E

Epi, I agree with everything you said, but... The "true romantic" (read "fool for love")doesn't get too involved with statistics..

Went to a birthday party over the weekend.. It was my buddies son's 1st birthday.. A product of a former CC chica and him.. They have been married a couple of years now and seem happy..

She was the "FIRST" chica he had ever gone up with in his life and didn't go up with another but dove right into the relationship...

What are the odds? Probably less than the 3 winners of the national lottery had... ;o)

Statistics don't always cut it in these matters.. KARMA & FATE are key ingredients, but a little common sense and advice from friends doesn't hurt, LOL

Epimetheus,

"David" better stay away from Asia - where GFE are a normal occurence. His head will explode. Looking forward to seeing those pics of your new Najera chica.. (prog)

Alto

Yeah, karma and fate. However, in this instance, I see his fate rolling under the wheels of her karma...

E

OK, who is this "Asia," and where does she hang out?


Master Bates.

MB,

I meant Asia - as in the place, not the person. Sorry if I got your juices flowing there!

...(prog)

Correct, GFE is the norm, especially in Angeles City, it puts TJ to shame.

So, what happened to "David"'s crush on Marianna? I saw her on the street yesterday, so he obviously didn't rescue her. Or, is it Powerslave's turn?

Not me, I just fuck em...

incidently, being a nice guy, and not having seen this thread before I met her, I believed her when she said she did not like to suck dick. The lying bitch.

She may not be all that fond of the actual task of dick sucking, but sure loves the money!!

E

Explorer- to answer your question, you're not going to believe what happened to my friend "David." Yes, it's true he was on some type of crusade to "rescue" a TJ hooker, but after many, many sessions with this Marianna, plus reading Epimetheus posts, reality finally dawned on him that he's not going to bring her back to the US with him.

So he went over to the Las Chavelas, "dated" a nice working girl from in there, and (this is the part where I know for fear of legal ramifications I must now choose my words very carefully) is now living happily ever after after here in LA with her. Can't mention her name, can't say how or by what means he got her to the US, for very obvious reasons, but fellow-mongers Epimetheus, Daytimer and Bosco all met her.

Whether or not it's forever, only time will tell. But it sounds to me like another success story. Epimetheus, I hope you got to bang her before she was swept off her feet from the Zona!

Master Bates

I guess my 'vibe' about Mariana was/is correct, she ain't going to do anything but get back to her family in Morelia when her stint in TJ is over.

She seems very stoic about her job and situation, I can't tell if she's doing what she wants to do, or whether she has no choice and is making the best of it. She seems to like sex so much that its possible she likes getting laid 10 times a day.

MB

Glad to hear "David" is doing alright. Too bad he removed her from the zone. For his sake I was going to try fucking her a few times just so I could "make sure" he had a "nice girl".

Since I'm such a nice guy I figured I'd "take it for the team" and make sure she's not just another Mariana!!

The things I'm willing to do for my fellow mongers...

E

You just might get that chance, Mr. E. Here's the story so far:

Things aren't looking too cool right about now. He had a major argument with her the other night over, (yes, you guessed it) drugs. Apparently she's cost him some major dinero, moving in with her, first and security deposit for an apartment, buying furniture, bed, refrigrator, etc. plus, giving her money for clothes, food, etc.

Just picture the scenario if you would: My friend "David" feels he has "egg on his face" over this whole unfortunate episode. Now that he's up to his ears in all kinds of financial dept, he has to work seven days a week to help pay for the cost of his new found love. She doesn't seem to understand this and wants him home at least one night per week. He has to work for his money, she doesn't, and never did. She's a whore, where money came to her too easy. All she had to do, was lay on her back and do what most people enjoy doing, which is fucking. Only, she was being paid for it.

But now she's out of the Zona ands away from her friends. She gets bored just sitting there all day and night either looking at four walls, or watching all the Spanish novelas.

What gets more frustrating for her, is the beautiful wide panoramic view from the window of a brick wall just six feet from the windows. He went to work one day, while she quickly scouted the neighborhood for some dope. Seeing that he lives in the "exclusive" section of Los Angeles, Rampart, that didn't take her very long to seek out these dope dealing assholes.

He finds her "high" when he returns, he yells and screams at her. He leaves. She grabs a big knife and cuts up the pillows, bed sheets, clothes, drapes, just about anything she could get her hands on.

He returns and upon discovering the war-torn looking apartment, takes her over to his mothers house and dumps her off over there until he can make a final decision as to what to do with her. He calls me last night and asks me to help him move out of the apartment which they had just moved into.

While helping him to move, he tells me he's going to give her $500 just to get her out of his hair. He's hoping the money will get her to Texas or somewhere far away. I told him quit being so fucking kindhearted. I said, "You've loved and lost, now move on with your life knowing this was a lesson well learned."

I further suggested that he should just drive her to the downtown bus terminal, give her $10 to clear his conscience, and wave goodbye, while at the same time counting his losses. If he were to give her $500, every piece of that green would go right up her nose. I made her for a drug user long before he took her out of the Zona. other people knew it too and tried to tell him, but he wouldn't listen because he was lovestruck.

So far, she has cost him $8000 in credit card bills. I'm waiting here patiently by the phone expecting him to tell me she's on her way back to the Zona, and like I said before, only time will tell.

Who was it who once said on this board, we pay hookers not so much for their service, that's one thing, but we pay them to go away after we're done with them? How fucking true.

Keep your eyes open E, she's probably there somewhere inthe Zona as we speak.


Master Bates.

Why the fuck is he taking a whore to his mother's house? And I wouldn't give her shit, just a swift kick in the ass out the door.

Hey, I'm with you on this Powerslave. But, I seem to have some weird lonely heart friends whom I just happened to introduce to Tijuana one day.

I think I've created a monster.

This thread shouldn't be under 'Mariana', but IT DEFINITELY should be moved to the "I rescued a TJ Hooker" topic.

Rampart ! She'll be selling her services down at Lafayette Park with the rest of the crackheads.

The worse thing a friend can do is introduce a weak man to TJ.

I hope David has learned some hard lessons about women and foolishness from this experience.

It gets worse AtomicDog, ( or should I say BigBadBlkWolf?)Before I logged onto this thread, I just called this ex-TJ trip buddy of mine, "David," who told me she ( the rescued Las Chavelas hooker) is still over at his mom's house.

Apparently, he was SO desperate to finally get her out of his hair once and for all, that he further put himself into more financial dept, by borrowing money ( not from me though) and giving her $500 cash just to get rid of her. Now he won't even call over to his mom's house to see if she's still there. He's asking one of his sucker friends to do it, like me. And like a good guy, I call over there, only to be met with a whole lot of screaming and crying over the phone.

This ex-hooker from TJ is pissed, emotionally distraught and confused about the whole saga. And quite fankly, so am I.

So, yes, let's hope my friend, "David," this ex-TJ trip buddy will no longer want to bring back one of his play toys with him. All it did was result in disasterous effects. And I hope he will resume his position of accompanying me to the Zona once in a while where I'll be safe in knowing he won't be so quick to desperately fall in love.

I need a drink after all this.

Master Bates.

Where do I begin...?

E

Well E, try beginning with a phrase that goes something like, romance seekers is not for the weak-minded TJ monger...

M. Bates.

The irony is that for $8000, "David" could have taken Mariana back to Morelia, bought her a new house, set her up, had a bunch of kids, and lived happily ever after.

Doubt it, Mr. Ex. You see, the truth behind it is, Marianna's heart wasn't really in it from the beginning. She told me so, and I kept forever trying to tell my frind he was only BUYING her love temporarily.

She couldn't show the feelings of affection for him the way he had for her.

Mr. Bates:

Given those personal communications with Miss Mariana, are you implying that you were buying her love while your friend was pining for her?

No, that's not what I'm saying, because I've never fucked her. The implication by my above statement merely says my friend was only buying her love. Meaning it's the same with all the TJ hookers, or any hooker for that matter.

You only buy the feelings of love, lust and affection on a temporary basis. If the monger chooses to put emotional feeling into it, as in the case of my TJ trip buddy "David," then all I can say is, shame on him. I warned him and warned him, that they don't give a fuck about him. They don't give a fuck about any of us. They're not in that business to look for a future husband, they're in it for the money.

Some guys learn the hard way I guess.

Master Bates.

Those that don't learn from history are doomed to repeat it, over and over and over and over !

Concerning "D" I do think that Ms. Mariana indeed has feelings for him (!)

So, did "D" hook up with his first love Mariana yet?

Yes, he went to her last week with tears in his eyes. She hugged him passionately and he told her he'd never leave her again. (This is a true story, he called me immediately from his hotel room, with Marianna by his side and he said he's sorry he ever cheated on her!)

I'm confused. One of you guys is going to have to have a serious talk with my friend "David" next time you see him in the Zona. I've tried, but I've given up.

Epimetheus-it's your turn...

Master Bates.

MB: Before I read back through this thread to get the whole story on your friend I was ready to say...the guy wants his fantasy...he's courting a fantasy...let him have it...don't worry about it! But now that I'm caught up and see that he's imported a completely different problem to L.A. already, I'd say the guy is in need of an intervention. Epimetheus does a good job and his fees are reasonable.

Gentlemen:

Let me repeat what I said before, that Ms. M. *has* feelings for "D".

BUT, if "D" repeats his mistake and tries to take Ms. M. back to the USA, well, he deserves what he gets.

Better to settle down in TJ or Morelia.

MB

You sit David down in a booth while I smack him in the head with an oar.

I'll be back in TJ the middle of next month. Let me know if you both can make it then and we'll have an "intervention"...

Ex

"Feelings" or not, this guy is unwilling, or unable, to realize what it will take for happiness to occur. He's still under the impression that he needs to ride up on his white horse and carry her off to the castle up north. That didn't work out so good last time...

E

I agree that "D" is screwed if his goal is to take Mariana back to the USA.

He called me this morning, all broken hearted about Gabriella, he also visited TJ last night and again went uptairs with Marianna. Yes, he's determined to try it again and see if she's willing to "take the plunge" with him and be his new wife in the States.

I'm no expert, but I'd say my TJ trip buddy "David" has some deep emotional scars through lack of proper love as a child. His own mother, whom he despises, abandoned and disowned him since he was a baby. He sought comfort in SG's, something he was never quite used to, not even from the whores up here in LA. But Tijuana changed all that, and it's for that reason I'm being blamed for introducing the the world of Mexican hookers.

BTW, Erip, probably not the appropriate posting for this thread, but what's got up Azul's ass? Why's she mad at me? I approached her last week in Hong Kong Bar and she pulled away from me with a sneer and said, "get the fuck away fom me, I'm so pissed at you."

Master Bates.