I'm starting a thread just for stupid shit that Palin says/does. Let's all hope this thread only goes on for 39 days or so, so post all the funny, sad and tragic shit this complete fucking moron says and does.

Here's one from today, from CNN:

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/09/27/palin-takes-questions-during-cheesesteak-run/#more-21174

PHILADELPHIA (CNN) – Sarah Palin partook in an established political ritual on Saturday night when she headed to Tony Luke's in south Philadelphia to order a pair of cheesesteaks with whiz and onions.

But as the kitchen sizzled and orders were barked out, Palin found herself talking politics, calling McCain's debate performance "awesome" and taking questions from a voter about the hunt for terrorists in Pakistan.

While waiting in line with her daughter Willow to place her order, a reporter asked Palin if she watched Friday's debate, and what her impressions were.

"I did, I did," she said. "McCain did awesome. He was great. He was absolutely on his game."

Palin added that she is ready to debate Joe Biden next Thursday in St. Louis.

"I am," she said. "Look forward to it. Look forward to getting to speak to Americans through that debate, absolutely."

The governor got a more serious interrogation moments later when Temple graduate student Michael Rovito approached her to inquire about Pakistan.

"How about the Pakistan situation?," asked Rovito, who said he was not a Palin supporter. "What's your thoughts about that?"

"In Pakistan?," she asked, looking surprised.

"What's going on over there, like Waziristan?"

"It's working with [Pakistani president] Zardari to make sure that we're all working together to stop the guys from coming in over the border," she told him. "And we'll go from there."

Rovito wasn't finished. "Waziristan is blowing up!," he said.

"Yeah it is," Palin said, "and the economy there is blowing up too."

"So we do cross border, like from Afghanistan to Pakistan you think?," Rovito asked.

"If that's what we have to do stop the terrorists from coming any further in, absolutely, we should," Palin responded, before moving on to greet other voters.

Palin ordered the two sandwiches, but the managers refused to let her pay, so she slipped a bill into their tip jar. She did not chow down at the restaurant, opting instead to take the food with her in the motorcade.

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/09/26/palin-us-should-never-second-guess-israel/

(CNN) – The United States should not second guess actions Israel takes in the name of security, Sarah Palin seemed to suggest in a Thursday interview.

The Republican VP nominee recently said that she would never "second guess Israel if that country decided to attack Iran." Speaking with Katie Couric of CBS News, she stood by that quote.

“We shouldn't second guess Israel's security efforts because we cannot ever afford to send a message that we would allow a second Holocaust, for one,” she said. “Israel has got to have the opportunity and the ability to protect itself. They are our closest ally in the Mideast. We need them. They need us. And we shouldn't second guess their efforts.”

The Alaska governor said the United States should be free to relay its rights our concerns, but “we don't have to second-guess what their efforts would be if they believe … that it is in their country and their allies, including us, all of our best interests to fight against a regime, especially Iran, who would seek to wipe them off the face of the earth,” said Palin. “It is obvious to me who the good guys are in this one and who the bad guys are.”

Palin spent the week meeting with foreign leaders in New York.

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/09/25/palin-russias-my-next-door-neighbor/

Sarah Palin defended the claim that Alaska’s proximity with Russia helps bolster her foreign policy resume in an interview released Thursday.

The Republican VP nominee, asked by CBS’s Katie Couric what she meant by that statement said: “That Alaska has a very narrow maritime border between a foreign country, Russia, and on our other side, the land — boundary that we have with — Canada.

“…our next door neighbors are foreign countries. They're in the state that I am the executive of,” said Palin.

The Alaska governor, asked if she had ever engaged in negotiations with Russia, said the country had swapped trade missions with her state. “It's very important when you consider even national security issues with Russia as Putin rears his head and comes into the air space of the United States of America, where do they go? It's Alaska. It's just right over the border,” she said.

“It is from Alaska that we send those out to make sure that an eye is being kept on this very powerful nation, Russia, because they are right there. They are right next to our state."

Palin has spent the week meeting with foreign leaders in New York, as she seeks to boost her national security and foreign policy credentials.

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/09/25/palin-takes-questions-from-press-corps-for-first-time/#more-20436

NEW YORK (CNN) — Sarah Palin took questions from her traveling press corps Thursday for the first time since being tapped as John McCain's running mate.

Watch: Gov. Palin's first press availability as a vice presidential candidate

Speaking to a small pool of reporters following a visit to Ground Zero in lower Manhattan, Palin made a statement and then answered four questions, addressing the war on terror, the re-election bids of Alaska Sen. Ted Stevens and Rep. Don Young, and the bailout legislation currently in front of Congress.

Check out the transcript after the jump

PALIN: Every American student needs to come through this area so that, especially this younger generation of Americans is, to be in a position of never forgetting what happened here and never repeating, never allowing a repeat of what happened here. I wish every American would come through here. I wish every world leader would come through here, and understand what it is that took place here and more importantly how America came together and united to commit to never allowing this to happen again. And just to hear and from and see these good New Yorkers who are rebuilding not just this are but helping to rebuild America has been very, very inspiring and encouraging. These are the good Americans who are committed to peace and security and its been an absolute honor getting to meet these folks today.

CNN: On the topic of never letting this happen again, do you agree with the way the Bush administration has handled the war on terrorism, is there anything you would do differently?

A: I agree with the Bush administration that we take the fight to them. We never again let them come onto our soil and try to destroy not only our democracy, but communities like the community of New York. Never again. So yes, I do agree with taking the fight to the terrorists and stopping them over there.

POLITICO: Do you think our presence in Iraq and afghan and our continued presence there is inflaming islamic extremists?

A: I think our presence in Iraq and Afghanistan will lead to further security of our nation, again, because the mission is to take the fight over there. do not let them come over here and attempt again what they accomplished here, and that was some destruction. terrible destruction on that day. but since September 11, Americans uniting and rebuilding and committing to never letting that happen again.

POLITICO: Do you support the reelection bids of embattled Alaska Republicans, Rep. Don Young and Sen. Ted Stevens?

A: Ted Stevens trial started a couple days ago. We’ll see where that goes.

POLITICO: Are you gong to vote for them?

[no answer.]

JERSEY JOURNAL: What do you think of bailout package before congress?

A: I don't support that until the provisions that Sen. McCain has offered are implemented in Paulson's proposals.

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/09/25/palin-another-great-depression-could-happen/

John McCain’s public position on the state of the nation’s economy has shifted since his early optimism of last week, as the Republican nominee maintains that the country faces its worst economic crisis since World War II.

In a rare television interview, Sarah Palin went a bit further: asked another Great Depression looms if a bailout plan is not approved quickly, Palin told CBS’s Katie Couric: "Unfortunately, that is the road that America may find itself on."

Watch: Is Palin avoiding the media?

McCain later told Couric that although he believes conditions are dire in the nation’s financial markets, he’s not sure "if exactly a depression" would happen. "I don't think we need to scare people, but I do think we need to tell people the truth," he said.

Palin pointed to John McCain’s warnings about the state of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac two years ago. She could not point to other instances where he had pushed for stricter oversight. “But can you give me any other concrete examples? Because I know you've said Barack Obama is a lot of talk and no action. Can you give me any other examples in his 26 years of John McCain truly taking a stand on this?” asked Couric.

Palin replied. “I can give you examples of things that John McCain has done, that has shown his foresight, his pragmatism, and his leadership abilities. And that is what America needs today.” Pressed for more specific examples, Palin responded: “I'll try to find you some and I'll bring them to you.”

The interview took place before McCain’s campaign told CNN that the Arizona senator was looking to move the date of the first presidential debate to October 2 – currently slated as the day Palin would face off with Democratic VP nominee Joe Biden.

> order a pair of cheesesteaks with whiz and onions

"Hey, this isn't jizz! I know what jizz tastes like, and this is not it! Am I right, Willow? Whiz? Oh, what's that?"

In memory of Gilda Radner.

Tina Fey's portrayal of Palin is incredibly and scarily accurate.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/09/27/tina-fey-as-sarah-palin-k_n_129956.html

The skit on SNL not only was funny, but probably a vestige of things to come in the debate next week. The part where she simply "froze-up" was hilarious.

BTY, the skit with Bill Clinton feigning support for Obama was also dead on.

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/09/28/mccain-retracts-palins-pakistan-comments/

McCain retracts Palin's Pakistan comments

Sen. John McCain retracted Sarah Palin's stance on Pakistan Sunday morning, after the Alaska governor appeared to back Sen. Barack Obama's support for unilateral strikes inside Pakistan against terrorists

"She would not…she understands and has stated repeatedly that we're not going to do anything except in America's national security interest," McCain told ABC's George Stephanopoulos of Palin. "In all due respect, people going around and… sticking a microphone while conversations are being held, and then all of a sudden that's—that's a person's position… This is a free country, but I don't think most Americans think that that's a definitve policy statement made by Governor Palin."

Saturday night, while on a stop for cheesesteaks in South Philadelphia, Palin was questioned by a Temple graduate student about whether the U.S. should cross the border from Afghanistan into Pakistan.

"If that's what we have to do stop the terrorists from coming any further in, absolutely, we should," Palin said.

During Friday night's presidential debate in Mississippi, Obama took a similar stance and condemned the Bush administration for failing to act on the possibility terrorists are in Pakistan.

"Nobody talked about attacking Pakistan," Obama said after McCain accused the Illinois senator of wanting to announce an invasion. "If the United States has al Qaeda, bin Laden, top-level lieutenants in our sights, and Pakistan is unable or unwilling to act, then we should take them out."

McCain emphasized Sunday, Palin "shares" his view on the matter.

I think a cheese whizzer from either Jim's [on South Street] or Pat's [Passyunk Ave] would go a long way about now.

Probably the most concise piece I've seen yet on why Palin reflects so poorly on McCain's judgment, from that ultra-left magazine--Newsweek:

Palin Is Ready? Please.
Will someone please put Sarah Palin out of her agony? Is it too much to ask that she come to realize that she wants, in that wonderful phrase in American politics, "to spend more time with her family"? Having stayed in purdah for weeks, she finally agreed to a third interview. CBS's Katie Couric questioned her in her trademark sympathetic style. It didn't help. When asked how living in the state closest to Russia gave her foreign-policy experience, Palin responded thus:

"It's very important when you consider even national-security issues with Russia as Putin rears his head and comes into the airspace of the United States of America. Where--where do they go? It's Alaska. It's just right over the border. It is from Alaska that we send those out to make sure that an eye is being kept on this very powerful nation, Russia, because they are right there. They are right next to--to our state."

There is, of course, the sheer absurdity of the premise. Two weeks ago I flew to Tokyo, crossing over the North Pole. Does that make me an expert on Santa Claus? (Thanks, Jon Stewart.) But even beyond that, read the rest of her response. "It is from Alaska that we send out those ..." What does this mean? This is not an isolated example. Palin has been given a set of talking points by campaign advisers, simple ideological mantras that she repeats and repeats as long as she can. ("We mustn't blink.") But if forced off those rehearsed lines, what she has to say is often, quite frankly, gibberish.

Couric asked her a smart question about the proposed $700 billion bailout of the American financial sector. It was designed to see if Palin understood that the problem in this crisis is that credit and liquidity in the financial system has dried up, and that that's why, in the estimation of Treasury Secretary Hank Paulson and Fed chairman Ben Bernanke, the government needs to step in to buy up Wall Street's most toxic liabilities. Here's the entire exchange:

COURIC: Why isn't it better, Governor Palin, to spend $700 billion helping middle-class families who are struggling with health care, housing, gas and groceries; allow them to spend more and put more money into the economy instead of helping these big financial institutions that played a role in creating this mess?

PALIN: That's why I say I, like every American I'm speaking with, were ill about this position that we have been put in where it is the taxpayers looking to bail out. But ultimately, what the bailout does is help those who are concerned about the health-care reform that is needed to help shore up our economy, helping the--it's got to be all about job creation, too, shoring up our economy and putting it back on the right track. So health-care reform and reducing taxes and reining in spending has got to accompany tax reductions and tax relief for Americans. And trade, we've got to see trade as opportunity, not as a competitive, scary thing. But one in five jobs being created in the trade sector today, we've got to look at that as more opportunity. All those things under the umbrella of job creation. This bailout is a part of that.

This is nonsense--a vapid emptying out of every catchphrase about economics that came into her head. Some commentators, like CNN's Campbell Brown, have argued that it's sexist to keep Sarah Palin under wraps, as if she were a delicate flower who might wilt under the bright lights of the modern media. But the more Palin talks, the more we see that it may not be sexism but common sense that's causing the McCain campaign to treat her like a time bomb.

Can we now admit the obvious? Sarah Palin is utterly unqualified to be vice president. She is a feisty, charismatic politician who has done some good things in Alaska. But she has never spent a day thinking about any important national or international issue, and this is a hell of a time to start. The next administration is going to face a set of challenges unlike any in recent memory. There is an ongoing military operation in Iraq that still costs $10 billion a month, a war against the Taliban in Afghanistan and Pakistan that is not going well and is not easily fixed. Iran, Russia and Venezuela present tough strategic challenges.

Domestically, the bailout and reform of the financial industry will take years and hundreds of billions of dollars. Health-care costs, unless curtailed, will bankrupt the federal government. Social Security, immigration, collapsing infrastructure and education are all going to get much worse if they are not handled soon.

And the American government is stretched to the limit. Between the Bush tax cuts, homeland-security needs, Iraq, Afghanistan and the bailout, the budget is looking bleak. Plus, within a few years, the retirement of the baby boomers begins with its massive and rising costs (in the trillions).

Obviously these are very serious challenges and constraints. In these times, for John McCain to have chosen this person to be his running mate is fundamentally irresponsible. McCain says that he always puts country first. In this important case, it is simply not true.

Post the one where Obama said he had been to all 52 states.

Or where he referred to his "muslim faith" with Stephanapolis. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wkRii4M0Q-k

How about this one on healthcare? Pretty articulate huh? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=237PLLQ0mgE

Or post some of Obama's comments when he was questioning Petraeus in the Senate committee a year or so ago. Talk about someone not knowing what he was talking about.. like when he said at a rally that Americans liberated Auschwitz in WWII.

Or post the comments Biden made a couple of weeks ago at a rally where he told some guy to stand up so everyone could see him, then noticed the guy was in a wheelchair and says .. oh God, what am I saying... God Bless you sir. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C2mzbuRgnI4

Or post the comments Biden had a year or so ago about all of the Dunkin Donuts being owned my Indians. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sM19YOqs7hU

Or post something about Biden saying that when the market crashed in 1929, Roosevelt got on tv to calm the nation.

My point ... they all fuck up and make mistakes. It's mentally and physically exhausting going from interview to interview, rally to rally. I give them all a pass on saying dumb things from time to time.

However, some of you are incapable of doing that though ... at least when they have a R behind their names. The D's fuckups conspicuously go unnoticed. Some of you have been at this for years. It's pathetic.

Obama is really going to be able to reach across the aisle and work with Republicans.


It looks like he doesn't even have influence on the Black Caucus who the majority voted against the Bailout plan.

http://thedailyvoice.com/voice/2008/09/cbc-members-oppose-bailout-bil-001186.php

Arellius,

You're right in that it's wrong to be comparing slips of tongue with stupidity. On the other hand, Palin's comments show a truly frightening ignorance of virtually all areas of domestic and foreign policy. And no one can claim she's exhausted from a brutal campaign schedule. Several reports have noted she's done less campaigning than any VP candidate in recorded history. She's been isolated from the press and largely from the public. She does one event a day on average, and only gives prepared remarks, taking questions from neither the press nor the public. She hasn't even done a fundraiser in a week because McCain's people don't want her interacting with the donors. This is utterly amazing. But not surprising given her performances with Gibson and Couric.

In this YouTube era, all people want to talk about are the things that don't matter: who made a misstatement or slip of the tongue. What matters is whether, at the end of the day, the candidates can carry out the jobs they are running for. Palin has proved beyond a shadow of a doubt she can not. She's unfit to be VP, She's unfit to be a heartbeat away from the Oval Office. Even many stalwart Republicans are now recognizing this, and some are calling for her to step down.

Beachman,
So, given your point above, what does this mean for McCain, who's party voted against the plan that McCain was anxious to take credit for earlier that day??????? What say you about that? He failed to deliver his party, according to your logic. Hmmmmm. Real leadership.

Breachman-

The majority of Obama's party supported the plan. The Republicans failed to deliver the 80 votes they said they would have. McCain, and not Obama, went to the media before the vote talking about how he'd delivered.

It looks like McCain's the one who blew it.

Branquinho-

You miss the point. The Democrats are the majority party. The democrats didn't need a single Republican vote to pass this bill.

Both McCain and Obama have really done as little as possible to address this problem. They both want to distance themselves from the bill if it does pass and then becomes a failure. If it succeeds they both will say it is because of their behind closed doors work was the reason for the success. Politics as usual!

Even Bill Clinton says the Democrats over the years have resisted the need the regulate Freddie and Fannie.

http://mypetjawa.mu.nu/archives/194210.php

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sheppard/2008/09/25/fox-news-blames-democrats-financial-crisis-bill-clinton

What happen is that the Democrats pandering for the black vote and those who could not obtain home loans under the standard credit criteria of sound lending practices intimidated and threaten banking institutions in to making sub-prime loans under the threat cutting off low interest money to these same institutions.

Basically affirmative lending (like affirmative action) to unqualified people so the Democratic party falsely tell the unqualified that they were entitled to rewards in life that those who earned and qualified for home loans.

The Republicans spoke out, but they didn't speak loud enough or long enough or just didn't want to because they too were benefiting from the false economy booming from all of this debt that a big majority of it would never be paid back because of the sub-standard lending practices.

The American people are guilty too because even people who could qualify comfortably at a lower loan amount.....were greedy and over extended themselves with sub-prime loans when they could have qualified comfortably with a lower loan amount on documented, conventional loan.

This is greed from the top..... down and from the bottom.....up. Everybody either is or knows someone who overextended by either purchasing or refinancing a loan well outside the conservative guidelines of their own budget and debt to income.

Breachman-

You obviously have zero understanding of the politics around this bailout. Yes, if every Dem voted for it, it would pass. And the Repubs would politicize the issue and accuse the Dems of handouts, corporate welfare, saddling Joe Six-Pack with debt, etc. So, the entire reason--let me repeat--the entire reason Bush and the leadership of both parties spent several days meeting and working out a compromise, was to get something that could be passed in a bipartisan fashion, so politicizing recriminations could be avoided.

The Repubs failed. The leadership on their side miscalculated their desire to play politics with the nation's economy.

Now, you want to blame the issuance of bad mortgages on the Dems? I thought you were in real estate? Politicians don't offer mortgages...banks and financial institutions do. This situation has nothing to do with the politics of race, and if you believe that, you're spending to much time in Rush''s dittohead parallel universe, or taking bad drugs. It's about greed and stupidity. Greed on the part of lenders; stupidity on the part of borrowers. And also on the willful negligence of all the politicians. All of them. And please note also that most people foreclosing are not blacks. So please take your race-baiting right wing propaganda and place it where the moon don't shine.

You're right about one thing. Both Obama and McCain stayed away from the action on this one. The difference is that when it looked like it would pass, McCain tried to take credit. Obama didn't. So which of the two is a puffed-up egomaniacal loser?

Branqueerhole-

Even the New York Times back in 1999 when they where somewhat fair and objective they saw that the democrats where pushing government socialism on banks to make sub-prime loans to unqualified borrowers. Politicians, Democrats (ACORN) intimidated and threatened banking institutions if they didn't make sub-prime loans that they would not lend the banks low interest money.

Fannie Mae, the nation's biggest underwriter of home mortgages, has been under increasing pressure from the Clinton Administration to expand mortgage loans among low and moderate income people and felt pressure from stock holders to maintain its phenomenal growth in profits.

''Fannie Mae has expanded home ownership for millions of families in the 1990's by reducing down payment requirements,'' said Franklin D. Raines, Fannie Mae's chairman and chief executive officer. ''Yet there remain too many borrowers whose credit is just a notch below what our underwriting has required who have been relegated to paying significantly higher mortgage rates in the so-called subprime market.''

Demographic information on these borrowers is sketchy. But at least one study indicates that 18 percent of the loans in the subprime market went to black borrowers, compared to 5 per cent of loans in the conventional loan market.

Fannie Mae officials stress that the new mortgages will be extended to all potential borrowers who can qualify for a mortgage. But they add that the move is intended in part to increase the number of minority and low income home owners who tend to have worse credit ratings than non-Hispanic whites.

These borrowers whose incomes, credit ratings and savings are not good enough to qualify for conventional loans, can only get loans from finance companies that charge much higher interest rates -- anywhere from three to four percentage points higher than conventional loans.

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9C0DE7DB153EF933A0575AC0A96F958260&sec=&spon=

I thought the Democrats when they rode into power in 2006 where going to end the unethical politics and work for the people.

Your point that it is not blacks that most homes are not being foreclosed on may or may not be true. The point is that the sub-prime mortgages that where push upon banking institutions to make loans to minority people who had credit problems and little or no money down. The New York Times points this out not me. The fact is that these sub- prime loans where now available to everyone up the chain Black, White Hispanic, Asian,etc. and where abused by people of all credit and income ranges.

Fannie and Freddie were basically mandated that they had to buy these loans from banking institutions by the Democrats and the Clinton Administration.

Bwana dik-

I believe neither McCain or Obama showed real leadership on this issue.

Obama is going to have a tough time pushing his programs if he is elected. The 5% of Americans he proposes that are going to pay enough taxes so the other 95% get a tax break are now going to be a lot less richer to tax. People like myself will start investing overseas even 10-20 percent of my portfolio. Many people alot smarter than myself will go to huge extremes to shelter money overseas and pay no tax at all.

How anyone can honestly believe that Obama is going to give tax breaks to 95 percent of Americans are in as much of denial as everyone claims this financial crisis took everyone by surprise.

I blame the Republicans and Democrats equally for the state of our nation. And as much as everyone claims our constitution has been abused. The media has fail to be the watchdog of government and have become an extension of the Democratic and Republican parties.

There is no honor to do the right thing anymore ....it is all about money and the need to be right even if it is wrong for our country.

Beachman,

I agree with almost everything you say. I am very disappointed with Obama that he did not show more leadership during this economic crisis. To me, he seemed more like an observer.

However I place the blame for all of this at the feet of the Republicans. Rolling into 2000, the country had a record surplus, and now it is a record deficit. Spending has gotten out of control that it is unfathomable. The Republicans have spent and borrowed the country into this mess. The entire attitude of spending what we can afford was thrown out during Bush's first 6 years as president.

There is good chance we would not have gone into the costly Iraq war if we had been more interested in economics than chest thumping.

The problem with having either presidential candidate "show leadership" during the present economic crisis is that pretty much by definition that injects partisan politics into the search for a solution. Indeed, many thought McCain's efforts to increase his profile in the negotiations may have hurt the efforts to reach a bipartisan solution.

Although one could debate back and forth whether McCain's high profile presence in Washington helped or hurt the negotiating process, the concern about having presidential candidates mucking around in very sensitive and intensive negotiations is a legitimate concern.

I thought Obama played it right. There is not that much he can do as a Presidential candidate to solve the problem, and there was (and is) a substantial risk that over involvement could hurt rather than help resolve the problem. After he becomes President all that changes, and one would expect him to use the power of the Presidency to help solve the mess Bush and his friends got us into.

"Even the New York Times back in 1999 when they where somewhat fair and objective they saw that the democrats where pushing government socialism on banks to make sub-prime loans to unqualified borrowers. Politicians, Democrats (ACORN) intimidated and threatened banking institutions if they didn't make sub-prime loans that they would not lend the banks low interest money. "

Really? The Dems called up my local Wells Fargo branch and told them to make bad loans? The Dems called the headquarters of Wachovia and said -hey, give loans to people with bad credit-? The banks just rolled over because some politicians told them too? What have you been smoking? It's the banks that roll the politicians, not vice versa.

ACORN? You conflate an activist group with no ties to any political party with the Democratic Party? Again, what have you been smoking?

Your account of the subprime situation is pure fiction. I've seen it described in a few different ways, but never as a conspiracy by Dems to make sure that poor people could buy homes they can't afford.

This was about greed. And it was about legislators in both parties who are in the pocket of the financial sector. The partisan part of this is Bush and his boys were warned to step in early and regulate, and they didn't. Almost all of these loans that are being foreclosed are 3-6 years old (and consequently are adjusting because they were mostly ARMs)...i.e., made during the Bush years. His people were warned but they failed to act.

My observation of Obama to date is that when confronted with a crisis, he waits to see what everyone else does, then he waits and sees how everyone reacts, then he takes the position that under his plan everything would instead be wonderful and flowers would grow out of everyone's ass and birds would sing and gas would be $2 a gallon but no one would even use gas anymore and everyone would get a 20% raise and all kinds of cool stuff would be free and far more than I could ever even imagine if only we had followed Obama's plan instead. I've never figured out what the plan actually is, but it sure sounds wonderful.

As for Freddi and Frannie? There is not a politician in Washington, Republican or Democrat, who does not have blood on their hands.

As for Palin. I have previously put forth the hypothesis that due to a strict religious upbringing, and further demonstrated by her opposition to sex education as a politician. She was probably never instructed by her mother in the necessity or techniques of vaginal hygiene and further more was told that area was "bad" and she should avoid touching it. Therefore it is likely her pussy stinks. Obviously this is far more relevant than anything else. I cant believe the Democrats are perusing all these silly ideological arguments and completely overlooking an absolute core issue with half the voters in America. Men will not tolerate stink pussy.

I doubt that you're going to get very close to her pussy. Nor will anyone else but her husband.

Whose pussy in Washington do you think is the stinkiest? Do the female politicians have blood on their pussies as well as their hands?

If they have not hit menopause they do!

EA

There's a thought. If McCain/Palin are elected, the bitch will hit menopause at some point while in office. That's all we fucking need.

Not every Republican feels she came through her interviews with Charlie Gibson on ABC and Katie Couric on CBS with her reputation enhanced. Her "I can see Russia from my house in Alaska" foreign policy has been lampooned more times than can be counted, and the dead-on, viciously effective impersonations of her by Tina Fey are among the most popular YouTube spoofs in recent memory. The ferociousness of the attacks and the disdain for her record have not been inflicted on any running mate since, well, the above-referenced Quayle. And Quayle had served 12 years in Congress by the time he was named to the ticket. You can almost envision Biden saying to Palin on Thursday, "I knew Dan Quayle. I served with Dan Quayle. And you're no Dan Quayle."

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=95244684

I guess what will make the debate tomorrow suspenseful is that indeed if there is any Democrat who would say in the middle of a debate with Palin "I knew Dan Quayle. I served with Dan Quayle. And you're no Dan Quayle," it would have to be Joe Biden. I just hope Palin's gaffes outshine any that Biden may bring to the table.

Biden does have a lot of experience in that area, doesn't he.

Whatever fun others may poke at Palin, Joe Biden better not come across as condescending or making fun of her - unless he wants to lose about 50% of the potential voters out there. Like treading on thin ice...

It will also be very interesting to see the interactions between Gwen Ifill and Palin, particularly given both that Gwen Ifill doesn't exactly have a poker face and also has been attacked by the Republicans in the last day or so as having a conflict of interest (because she is set to release a book she wrote on black politicians, including Obama, and an Obama victory presumably would enhance the sales of her book). I guess if all else fails, the repubs will claim the moderator was not objective and therefore Palin was at a disadvantage. This notwithstanding that it is all but certain the McCain camp knew about Ifill's book when they agreed to have her as a moderator.

OTOH, it is difficult to imagine they could find an objective moderator who wouldn't think Palin is a friggin' moron. I suppose the trick is for the moderator not to show it. And from the Democratic perspective, it is important that Biden not show it (we reserve the right though to imagine Gore's sighs every time Palin says something really stupid).

Like I've said, the problem tonight is that everyone expects Palin to royally fuck up and look stupid. That's the bar. If she keeps it together and makes it through in one piece, Republicans will say she won. Democrats, it doesn't matter what we think, it's all about the independents. Right now, polls show a majority of them think she's a moron as well.

For Biden, he just needs to keep it muzzled and sit back. It's his to lose, as long as he doesn't, then Democrats and most independents will say he won.

Hopefully, tonight the voters viewing the debate will be smarter than the press, and will use the appropriate standard: of these two, which could I see serving as President of the US should the situation arise where the President is incapacitated and/or dies? Which can manage our foreign relations and provide leadership on domestic and economic policy?

To be honest, I don't feel that a brief debate sheds much light on such large questions. The debates are largely theater, unless very well managed. If I look at their records, their experience, and their public statements on issues, this one is no contest.

In the end I don't give a rats ass about the debate tonight. Palin was and remains a horrible choice for VP. She may be feisty, spunky, and all that, but she is completely unprepared for the presidency, and that's really the only criterion one should be using to judge VP candidates. Can they step in and handle the job as President. Given the challenges that will face the winner of this election, we'd better be certain the team is up to the task. Setting aside any questions of Obama vs McCain, I can't find any way to reach the conclusion that Palin is fit to serve.

But the media and most of the public prefers to view this as a horse race, or a beauty pageant.

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Well, this piece pokes fun at everyone, and is pretty fucking funny!

Errors Prompt Sarah Palin Downgrade from Vista to XP

Sources in the GOP have confirmed that, following a series of increasingly disastrous interviews, they are uninstalling Vista from vice presidential candidate Sarah Palin and 'upgrading' to Windows XP.

"Palin is a next-generation model," said Brad Forman, associate editor at CNET.com. "She represented a novel platform for most Republicans, with all the bells and whistles they could load into her hard drive. However, the system just isn't stable enough for everyday campaigning."

The move is seen as a blow for Microsoft, which has had trouble convincing customers to upgrade from the widespread and relatively stable Windows XP. Palin ran afoul of compatability problems almost from day one of her candidacy.

"They were able to run 'Spunky Frontier Maverick 1.8' pretty well at the convention, but that's basically a simple text editor, the one they use for Tele-Prompters and whatnot," said Forman. "The Republicans ran into trouble when they tried to upload Economic Terminology 2.0. They were able to patch that by disconnecting her from most external media, but the recent economic crisis required Economic Terminology 3.1 at the very least. And they just couldn't get Foreign Policy 8.0 to work at all. It gave them nothing but 'Blue Screens of Death' over and over. You just can't function like that in a working environment."

The move to XP is seen as a sensible one, but significantly overdue.

"The damage is done," said Washington Post analyst Thomas Greene. "That system error in the Katie Couric interview last week was inexcusable. If they had properly vetted Palin before selection, they would have had time to debug her before rolling her out. I don't even think they ran Family Tree 1.2 on Palin at all until the week of the convention. I'm almost afraid to ask what else they didn't check."

Analysts expect the system downgrade to take the better part of a week, during which time the Obama/Biden campaign will likely take advantage of Palin's technical problems with a new advertising campaign.

"There is a chance that Sarah Palin running on XP will not be as exciting," said Democratic strategic Marlie Henshaw. "We're hoping that voters get a chance to see behind the glitz and the advertising to the real software running underneath. I think they'll find Palin XP is less of a step forward than Vista Palin, and her novelty has been one of her selling points. So that might help us a bit."

The move comes at a critical time as Palin prepares to square off against the Democratic VP candidate Joe Biden in their first televised debate this week.

"Now, Biden's had plenty of technical issues himself," said Forman. "He's running on Windows 98, which really can't run all the programs that the Obama campaign would like; but that was never really feasible, as Obama's running on a Mac. However, technicians have had a really hard time trying to uninstall GaffeMaker from Biden. It's freeware he downloaded from his AOL account a long time ago, and it's incredibly stubborn."

Despite Biden's problems, observers suspect that Palin will still be at a disadvantage despite reconfiguring her software.

"Windows XP is solid, but not that inspiring," said Greene. "It's a safe choice. But what Palin brought to the ticket was an air of fresh promise and independence, an exciting connection to the future. If she loses the futuristic aura that Vista gave her, what do they have left?"

"I'm not even sure McCain is plugged in," added Forman.

She would "believe that leader of Al Qaida. "

Wonder how that one will play....

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She is doing fine. Enough words to fool most people, but what she says doesn't really have much meaning. She rambles a lot and doesn't really say anything. At the end of the day she probably helped herself and McCain though given her previous disastrous interviews.

Do you think so? I thought she vacillated between a "Stepford Candidate" who said the same thing over and over again, regardless of its relevance to the question, her "deer in the headlights" look when asked something she didn't have a clue how to answer, and a relatively clueless person who tried to string a bunch of words that almost sounded intelligible on first hearing, but as you thought about it you realized they made almost no sense. It was like a parody of a high school student trying to debate on a topic she had prepared for.

She just had to tread water. She didn't sound like she did with Couric so that was a plus for her.

For me, the moment of the debate for her was the central point on the war on terror location.

I believe she quoted Petraeus and the "leader of Al Qaida" as saying that Iraq was the central front on the war on terror. Maybe it is just me, but one has credibility, one does not. Maybe I don't understand the nuisanced politics behind that coached remark, but I don't think it is credible to quote the enemy about the location of the central front on the war on terror.

Doggonit, she played up the hokum, and goshdarnit, why in heaven did Granny from the Beverly Hillbillies come to mind?

All she had to do was look cool and talk fast to achieve her best case scenario and she did that - substance hardly matters. Best case scenario was to stem the hemorrhaging for this instant. That done the bleeding starts again as presumably she hits the trail for the last month and is subject to critical inquiry. Where is Sam Donaldson when you need him? If I were McCain I would put her back in the bag now and put the bag in the frig until election day - this will be her high point.

Incredible that the moderator repeatedly let her get away with totally avoiding the question asked and turning back to "let me talk about energy" over and over. The moderator should have made sure the format was followed and should have cut her off immediately, steering her back to the question on the table.

Both PBS moderators have been worthless. Might as well have been Sean Hannity in that seat.

I think Lehrer did a much better job than the lady tonight. His questions were tougher and better thought out. Plus he made it evident when neither candidate answer his questions.

I was disappointed in Biden. The difference between the two is so stark, that he could have pressed Palin harder. For example, on foreign policy, he could hsve said:

All due respect to Gov Palin, but getting a passport one year ago, and sharing a border with a foreign country does not make you an expert on foreign policy. In contrast, I have been traveling the globe ..... etc.

Palin also pulled out the Republican style attacks that Obama did support funding for the troops (by the same criterion McCain did not either), or that Obama wants to raise taxes. I do not like this, but once it was clear that she was going to do that. He should have had a few cards in response that are hard hitting and devoid of facts.

I would have also belted her on McCain and the economy. Let's remember that less than a month ago, McCain stated the fundamentals of the economy were strong. A year ago, he said that economics were not his strong suit. Are we supposed to believe that suddenly he is an authority?

Overall, I think that Biden won the debate but expectations were so low on Palin that he had to do more than just win.

Loved the comparison with Vista. The one distinction is that Microsoft is ramming Vista down our throats whereas we have a choice on VP's. In fact, I am not sure it is even possible to purchase a PC with XP anymore.

BT-

Biden could have been harder on Palin, but everyone advising him told him not to go after her, but to go after McCain. He had everything to lose by aggressively pushing her. I think that was the right strategy.

I thought Biden did nail McCain on the economy. He directly addressed McCain's flip-flopping over the past two weeks, and McCain's apparent disinterest in economic issues during the early months of this meltdown. On those points I thought Biden cleaned her clock.

It was appalling that the moderator let her get away with avoiding the questions asked. After the first time or two she did that the moderator really should have interrupted her and asked her to speak to the question asked rather than give a speech on a prepared topic.

And I surely got tired of her repeating over and over how she and McCain will "fight, fight, fight" for "Joe Sixpack." Please. Most middle class Americans do not think of themselves as "Joe Sixpack."

Here is literally what Palin said earlier this week:

"It's time that normal Joe Six-Pack American is finally represented in the position of vice presidency."

Wow. I don't want Joe (or Josephine) Six-Pack as VP or president!

But on to the debate!

Last night she said, "Let's commit ourselves just everyday American people, Joe Six-Pack, hockey moms across the nation," when asked a question about the mortgage crisis.

Huh?

What else did she have to say about the mortgage crisis? Not much. She blamed it on "predator [sic] lenders." How to fix it? She refused to answer, and spouted some platitudes about fighting for Joe Six-Pack.

When she was asked about the bailout plan, she spoke for about 20 seconds before saying "I want to go back to the energy plan."

When asked about mounting bankruptcies and what she and McCain will do she said, "I want to talk about, again, my record on energy."

When she was asked about what would be the tipping point for her to decide to use nuclear weapons were she acting as president, she said "Nuclear weaponry, of course, would be the be-all, end-all of just too many people in too many parts of our planet, so those dangerous regimes, again, cannot be allowed to acquire nuclear weapons, period."



How many times did she say "darn right," "you betcha," "Main Streeters," and "Joe Six-Pack"?

She went for charm and folksy but came off just plain stupid.

And who could forget her response to a question on economic policy when she started blathering on about her "brother, who I think is the best schoolteacher in the year, and here's a shout-out to all those third-graders at Gladys Wood Elementary School, you get extra credit for watching the debate."

A friend of mine from Porto Alegre was staying at my house last night and watching the debate. When it was over, he turned to me and said, "You know, I'm embarrassed by Lula as our president. He's uneducated. He speaks poorly. But that woman makes me embarrassed for all my American friends. How can she be in this position?"

Indeed.

Imagine if she were running for some type of head brain surgeon position at a major hospital. No one would ever want to select someone who is some beauty queen/sports reporter who just stumbled upon brain surgery as a hobby. Yet for the second highest and potentially the highest office in the world, her lack of qualifications is seen as some kind of endearment and a positive.

This all reminds me of Roman Hruska's (the late Senator from Nebraska) defense of the doomed nomination of ultra-right wing, and soon to be arrested for soliciting gay sex in a public restroom, Harrold Carswell for the U.S. Supreme Court. In response to criticism that Carswell was a mediocrity unfit for the highest U.S. court, Hruska responded: "Even if he were mediocre, there are a lot of mediocre judges and people and lawyers. They are entitled to a little representation, aren't they, and a little chance?"

Now that would have been a great question for Palin: does she agree with the Roman Hruska doctrine?

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I certainly enjoyed Palin's naming Geraldine Ferraro as her favorite vice president. I suspect if asked to name her favorite president, she would have said "Bob Dole."

My favorite moment of stupidity was when she channeled Ronald Reagan and said "there you go again, Joe," thinking that by doing so some of the Reagan magic would wear off on her.

Someone should have told her though that by channeling Reagan, she was putting herself at risk for early-onset Alzheimers.

When she said that, I immediately thought of Lloyd Bensten's line to Dan Quayle. Biden could have paraphrased it: "I knew Ronald Reagan, and Governor Palin, you are no Ronald Reagan."

I never thought it would happen, I have found some common ground with Sarah Palin.

Today's lead headline from the Huffingtonpost:

PALIN: KATIE COURIC "ANNOYED" ME

Agreed, Couric is annoying. OTOH, although I agree with Palin that Katie Couric is annoying, I cannot agree with Palin's strategy of saying nothing but extremely stupid shit during the interview in retaliation.

I suspect you and Josephine Six-Pack find Katie annoying for different reasons. In the latter's case, she's annoying because she asked questions and pushed to get answers. What a cunt! How could another woman do this to poor Josie Six-Pack?

laguy:

This all reminds me of Roman Hruska's (the late Senator from Nebraska) defense of the doomed nomination of ultra-right wing, and soon to be arrested for soliciting gay sex in a public restroom, Harrold Carswell for the U.S. Supreme Court. In response to criticism that Carswell was a mediocrity unfit for the highest U.S. court, Hruska responded: "Even if he were mediocre, there are a lot of mediocre judges and people and lawyers. They are entitled to a little representation, aren't they, and a little chance?"

Ha...you beat me to that one - exactly what I was thinking but couldn't remember exactly which esteemed U.S. senator it was who proclaimed that the U.S. Supreme Court needed a little mediocrity. You even remembered Carswell's name! Impressive.

SP is a TV professional and she came across like a TV pro last night - but not a VP for anybody who paid attention to what was actually being said.

Biden should have been tougher and could have been without being arrogant and obnoxious, but he did fine under the circumstances. If I were him I would have made a comment that Sarah, you are right on your talking points and attack lines, but how about answering the question! But I actually don't know anything about how NOT to be arrogant and obnoxious.

Erip: Actually I cheated a bit, but only a little. I would have misspelled "Harrold" as "Harold," had it not been for Wikipedia. It also took me a couple of tries to get the spelling of Hruska's last name right.

But for better or worse, these life events seem to stick with me. I'd probably be better off if I could forget a lot of this nonsense, and instead sit around all day drinking beer, and then getting off when Palin addresses me by my name, Joe Six-Pack, after giving me a seductive wink followed by a shout out. Doggone it.

Laguy
What about all of us Joe Fifths?? I guess she doesn't relate to those us who do not guzzle beer.

Oh Yeah

I forgot we're Joe 750cc's now. Damn metric system !!

You know I keep on hearing about how governor Palin is an "expert" on energy. What is that statement based on?

Is she an "expert" here because she is the governor of a large oil producing state? I can name an ex-governor from another large oil producing state that has gotten us in a hell of a mess with his "expertise."

RG.

RG-

Not only was Bushie a governor in an oil state, he's a former oil exec himself. He knows the "bidness" inside-out.

SP misrepresented the natural gas pipeline deal in Alaska completely. It is not a done deal, many believe it's on the verge of collapse, and the only concrete action taken so far is a $500 million contract with a Canadian firm. That's right, Palin's government outsourced the work to a Canadian company.

I thought Biden showed great restraint in not, in the middle of the debate, stopping Palin in mid-sentence - as if the bitch was actually speaking in complete sentences and not just random, garbled slogans and sentence fragments - and just saying "will you please just shut the fuck up, you stupid whiny cunt?". Now that would have been a moment to remember.

Cat - I wish you had been the moderator. - Hemp

It looks like Palin's contribution to feminism is to make sure the words "stupid cunt" remain in the lexicon for at least another generation.

By golly, Sarah's accent sounds almost Canadian (anyone else see The Simpson's episode where Ned Flanders goes to Canada?).
So, according to Fox News-style 'wisdom' doesn't this make her patriotism/Americanism/whatever-else-they-toss-around questionable? As a knucklehead like Hannity would put it (were she a Dem): why does she have her house so close to Russia?

Like Palin says, she keeps Tina Fey employed?

I can name an ex-governor from another large oil producing state that has gotten us in a hell of a mess with his "expertise."

Who's US? He made THEM a fucking FORTUNE that will never be seen again on this planet?

And in elections, they matter a helluva lot more than YOU DO!

Beachman; Any chance you could answer my question about Palin being an expert on energy?

RG

RG,

"Cause they gots oil up there and a pipeline you can see from the back porch"

She brags about already building a natural gas pipeline that is nowhere near even starting to be built and most likely never will. It will end up a 500 Million dollar boondoggle on Alaskan economy.

I guess that makes her as much an expert on energy as McLame is on foreign affairs. He spent almost 6 years in Vietnam after all. You would think he could have seen the parallels between Vietnam and Iraq but no I guess it was the inexperienced Obama that saw that one coming.

How true!

Palin's gas pipeline takes the gas into central Canada, not the USA.

Outside of obeying regulations how can any state government force an oil company to build anything? If it does not have profit potential it won't be built period. Does not matter if the it makes the governor, joe-six-pack, or a hockey mom upset. Apart from signing off and giving permission, Sarah Palin had nothing to do with the decision whether a pipeline is built or not.

And just because a person's state has some oil reserves, doesn't make a person an energy expert. By that standard the King of Saudi Arabia ought to be the smartest son a bitch alive.

I discussed Palin with a bud today. Within two minutes of listening to her speak during the recent debate, the phrase "SHUT THE FUCK UP!" was my only thought. My friend confirmed that I was not the only person who reacted that way

When asked clear-cut straightforward questions, she went into memorized scripts that had absolutely nothing to do with the queries. These chants were accompanied by a manic smile that is normally seen on the faces of lobotomy victims and religious cult zealots. After she finally quits ranting, the sense of relief is so great that the involantary reaction is positive. Similar to a bad joke, if you drag it out long enough, people will laugh to celebrate the end.

The national disgrace continues.

Thank God (god) we have a vice-presidential candidate who has had Russian leaders fly over her state. I felt a oneness with her. Gerald Ford flew over my house once and overnight I was qualified to manage any domestic emergency. Finally, at long last, I feel safe. The goddamned ruskies flew over HER house. (goes into raging bull voice)"I coulda been da contenda!"

Some cunts get all of the luck.

Her honesty is simply stunning. Upon describing herself as a "hockey mom", she asserted that the only difference between a hockey mom and a pit bull is lipstick.

Hmmm. Ok. Pitbulls have the intellect and morality of your average turnip with rabies. They will kill, beg and eat their own shit for anyone that feeds them. Great! Let's let her appoint Supreme Court justices and put the greatest military force in the history at her fingertips. Oops, McCain might survive for a few more months; pardon my overreaction. But don't be surprised if Palin does not encourage some healthy male bonding with Cheney.

Pitbull: C'mon John! Go hunting with Dick! Those communist bastard birds have been laughing at us long enough. Go shoot them! That tired hero image of yours is overdue for a boost! Go kill some terrorists hiding behind feathers. You know you hate them as much as Dick and me!

John: Will you show me your tits?

Pitbull: How bout these? (lifts shirt, funnel titties dangle and sway for 20 seconds)

John: (to unseen troops) "Let's Roll!" (Shucks imaginary shell into bolt-action air shotgun)

(sigh)

Another bonus about Palin is the fact that she may be the successor for an embittered old cancer survivor who feels that he is the only person who truly "luuvs amuurica" and therefore is automatically entitled to be president. There has never been a victim in America before him and we should kiss his ass until he croaks. When this happens, we will be fortunate enough to have another chief executive who has her finger on the nuclear trigger but cannot consistently pronounce the word nuclear. Somehow, pronouncing it incorrectly 62% of the time is scarier than the 100% record of the current cretinous president.

Earlier tonight, I had a particularly difficult bowel movement that sometimes accompanies an extreme weightloss regimen. After rolling 32 layers of toilet tissue around my right hand, I visualized the face of Palin on the TP. As I wiped my rectum, I had the sense of satisfaction that is normally reserved for olympic gold medal winners.

Tomorrow: I visualize Bush on the TP.

Thursday: I see Ashcroft!

Friday: Cheney on the Charmin!

Saturday: Rumsfield receives the dirty sanchez

Sunday: Karl Rove....no WAIT!!! I cannot do that to my asshole. I'll thread the garden hose through my bathroom window, the cornpone bidet!

Coming soon: The write-in intiative! Do it with bliss in '08!

Wow Pissman or is it Shitman?

You have too much time on your hands and I guess shit on your hands too!

32 layers of toilet paper....don't let Sheryl Crow find out.....she says you should limit your TP to one square to wipe your ass.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/sheryl-crow/laurie-and-sheryl-go-to-s_b_46320.html

I'm gonna guess Beachman hasn't been doing too well recently. Or, put another way, he is not well.

(Message edited by Bwana_dik on October 08, 2008)

Bwana,

go ahead and say it, you know you want to!

The Sara Palin Debate Chart was classic!

Apparently, Palin's campaign released it's own ethics report clearing her of any wrong doing in her abuse of power investigation.

Which is the equivalent of a criminal defense team releasing their own results of an investigation clearing their client of any wrongdoing.

Priceless...

Next thing you know the McCain campaign will release a report clearing him of dementia and ill temper.

Would this be similar to putting Cheney in charge of an alternative energy commission?

I have been thinking about releasing a report clearing myself of dementia and ill temper. Do you think it will work?

Abuse of Power. You read it first here (unless you read it somewhere else first).

http://download1.legis.state.ak.us/DOWNLOAD.pdf

Toast.

Maybe McCain should suspend his campaign again, but this time leave it suspended.

The dumb fuck did a third rate job of vetting his choice for VP. He acts like a guy who always lets his dick do his thinking.

Maybe if the unflattering Newsweek cover photo of Palin had been available earlier, McCain's dick would have shriveled up and we wouldn't have had this problem.

Well, add this to the list:

http://actionfund.defenders.org/site/Ecard?ecard_id=1981&s_newOptIn=t&JServSessionIdr001=710qs9nj72.app27a

BITCH!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gd4wQd_gbj8

Sarah Palin appears at a real hockey game; fans not pleased.

How is Palin different from a typical politician, other than her garbled syntax? I see evidence of cronyism, abuse of power, serial lying, use of her office for personal gain and more.
That's fresh? That's a reformer?

"How is Palin different from a typical politician" Obviously there is no difference. She wouldn't have been allowed on the Republican ticket if she was anything other than more of the same, McCain had to sell what was left of his soul for just the chance at the big chair.
I don't expect much from my politicians of either party at this point but the Republicans are nothing more than a mouldering elephant corpse. One can only hope that even with his inexperience Obama has the capacity to inspire America in a way similar to Bobby Kennedy. We're screwed one way or the other but the right guy at the helm may allow us to believe there's a light at the end of the tunnel and it sure won't be a Republican. I just hope it works out better for Obama than it did for Kennedy.

This one will get real popular in a hurry.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8gQdCHDuags

The guy looks like such a pussy.... his wife or girlfriend looks so giddy. He looks like a typical wimpy, liberal pussy who lets the women command him on how to think and act.

Kinda like Nancy Peloski commands the wimpy, pussy Democrats in the House!

Catocony....this guy must be of spitting image of yourself since you are so proud and impressed by him.


Now we know why so many male liberal, Democrats become gay...with women like that controlling them. HA HA

Oh those gay Gay Democrats:

Mark Foley: Sending sexually laced, gramatically challenged instant messages and e-mails to teenaged boys in the Congressional page program for more than 10 years.

Larry Craig: Soliciting sex from an undercover cop in an airport bathroom.

Bob Allen: Offering an undercover cop $20 to allow Allen to blow him in a men’s room in a public park. After being arrested, Allen tried to explain that he only offered to blow the cop because the cop was a “burly black man” and he “didn’t want to become a statistic.”

Glenn Murphy, Jr.: Murphy got a fellow young political activist drunk and then spent the night at his house. The other young man woke up in the middle of the night to find Murphy giving him mouth-to-penis resuscitation. After this incident, a 1998 sexual battery report came to light in which Murphy was alleged to have done the exact same thing.

Ted Haggard: Paying male prostitutes for sex and snorting crystal meth.

Oh, sorry Leachman, my bad. They are all Republicans:

Foley: U.S. Representative (R-FL) and former Chairman of the House Caucus on Missing and Exploited Children.

Craig: US Senator (R-ID) and Senate Liaison for Mitt Romney's campaign.

Allen: (R-FL) Member of FL House of Representatives and FL Chairman of McCain's campaign!!!!

Murphy: National Chairman of the Young Republicans (motto: "Let's Give it to the Democrats in the Ass!")

Haggard: President of the National Association of Evangelicals and committed WingNut

Careful Bwana,

Palin may appropriate a helicopter to Beachman!

or that plane she sold on Ebay. Oh, that's right. She lied about that.

Imagine Palin as president.

http://palinaspresident.com/

She wouldn't have been allowed on the Republican ticket if she was anything other than more of the same, McCain had to sell what was left of his soul for just the chance at the big chair.

Damn, I thought I WAS THE ONLY ONE that watched the first couple of seasons of Prison Break and got chills down my spine screaming "I KNEW IT!" when the conspiracy theory fit hit the shan!

An op-ed by Thomas Friedman, author of "Hot, Flat and Crowded" (which I highly recommend:

Criticizing Sarah Palin is truly shooting fish in a barrel. But given the huge attention she is getting, you can’t just ignore what she has to say. And there was one thing she said in the debate with Joe Biden that really sticks in my craw. It was when she turned to Biden and declared: “You said recently that higher taxes or asking for higher taxes or paying higher taxes is patriotic. In the middle class of America, which is where Todd and I have been all of our lives, that’s not patriotic.”

What an awful statement. Palin defended the government’s $700 billion rescue plan. She defended the surge in Iraq, where her own son is now serving. She defended sending more troops to Afghanistan. And yet, at the same time, she declared that Americans who pay their fair share of taxes to support all those government-led endeavors should not be considered patriotic.

I only wish she had been asked: “Governor Palin, if paying taxes is not considered patriotic in your neighborhood, who is going to pay for the body armor that will protect your son in Iraq? Who is going to pay for the bailout you endorsed? If it isn’t from tax revenues, there are only two ways to pay for those big projects — printing more money or borrowing more money. Do you think borrowing money from China is more patriotic than raising it in taxes from Americans?” That is not putting America first. That is selling America first.

Sorry, I grew up in a very middle-class family in a very middle-class suburb of Minneapolis, and my parents taught me that paying taxes, while certainly no fun, was how we paid for the police and the Army, our public universities and local schools, scientific research and Medicare for the elderly. No one said it better than Justice Oliver Wendell Holmes: “I like paying taxes. With them I buy civilization.”

I can understand someone saying that the government has no business bailing out the financial system, but I can’t understand someone arguing that we should do that but not pay for it with taxes. I can understand someone saying we have no business in Iraq, but I can’t understand someone who advocates staying in Iraq until “victory” declaring that paying taxes to fund that is not patriotic.

How in the world can conservative commentators write with a straight face that this woman should be vice president of the United States? Do these people understand what serious trouble our country is in right now?

We are in the middle of an economic perfect storm, and we don’t know how much worse it’s going to get. People all over the world are hoarding cash, and no bank feels that it can fully trust anyone it is doing business with anywhere in the world. Did you notice that the government of Iceland just seized the country’s second-largest bank and today is begging Russia for a $5 billion loan to stave off “national bankruptcy.” What does that say? It tells you that financial globalization has gone so much farther and faster than regulatory institutions could govern it. Our crisis could bankrupt Iceland! Who knew?

And we have not yet even felt the full economic brunt here. I fear we may be at that moment just before the tsunami hits — when the birds take flight and the insects stop chirping because their acute senses can feel what is coming before humans can. At this moment, only good governance can save us. I am not sure that this crisis will end without every government in every major economy guaranteeing the creditworthiness of every financial institution it regulates. That may be the only way to get lending going again. Organizing something that big and complex will take some really smart governance and seasoned leadership.

Whether or not I agree with John McCain, he is of presidential timber. But putting the country in the position where a total novice like Sarah Palin could be asked to steer us through possibly the most serious economic crisis of our lives is flat out reckless. It is the opposite of conservative.

And please don’t tell me she will hire smart advisers. What happens when her two smartest advisers disagree?

And please also don’t tell me she is an “energy expert.” She is an energy expert exactly the same way the king of Saudi Arabia is an energy expert — by accident of residence. Palin happens to be governor of the Saudi Arabia of America — Alaska — and the only energy expertise she has is the same as the king of Saudi Arabia’s. It’s about how the windfall profits from the oil in their respective kingdoms should be divided between the oil companies and the people.

At least the king of Saudi Arabia, in advocating “drill baby drill,” is serving his country’s interests — by prolonging America’s dependence on oil. My problem with Palin is that she is also serving his country’s interests — by prolonging America’s dependence on oil. That’s not patriotic. Patriotic is offering a plan to build our economy — not by tax cuts or punching more holes in the ground, but by empowering more Americans to work in productive and innovative jobs. If Palin has that kind of a plan, I haven’t heard it.

Here is the whole response from the transcipt.
Thomas Friedman seem to conveniently leave out what he didn't want people to hear.

IFILL: OK, our time is up here. We've got to move to the next question. Sen. Biden, we want to talk about taxes, let's talk about taxes. You proposed raising taxes on people who earn over $250,000 a year. The question for you is, why is that not class warfare and the same question for you, Gov. Palin, is you have proposed a tax employer health benefits which some studies say would actually throw five million more people onto the roles of the uninsured. I want to know why that isn't taking things out on the poor, starting with you, Sen. Biden.

BIDEN: Well Gwen, where I come from, it's called fairness, just simple fairness. The middle class is struggling. The middle class under John McCain's tax proposal, 100 million families, middle class families, households to be precise, they got not a single change, they got not a single break in taxes. No one making less than $250,000 under Barack Obama's plan will see one single penny of their tax raised whether it's their capital gains tax, their income tax, investment tax, any tax. And 95 percent of the people in the United States of America making less than $150,000 will get a tax break.

Now, that seems to me to be simple fairness. The economic engine of America is middle class. It's the people listening to this broadcast. When you do well, America does well. Even the wealthy do well. This is not punitive. John wants to add $300 million, billion in new tax cuts per year for corporate America and the very wealthy while giving virtually nothing to the middle class. We have a different value set. The middle class is the economic engine. It's fair. They deserve the tax breaks, not the super wealthy who are doing pretty well. They don't need any more tax breaks. And by the way, they'll pay no more than they did under Ronald Reagan.

IFILL: Governor?

PALIN: I do take issue with some of the principle there with that redistribution of wealth principle that seems to be espoused by you. But when you talk about Barack's plan to tax increase affecting only those making $250,000 a year or more, you're forgetting millions of small businesses that are going to fit into that category. So they're going to be the ones paying higher taxes thus resulting in fewer jobs being created and less productivity.

Now you said recently that higher taxes or asking for higher taxes or paying higher taxes is patriotic. In the middle class of America which is where Todd and I have been all of our lives, that's not patriotic. Patriotic is saying, government, you know, you're not always the solution. In fact, too often you're the problem so, government, lessen the tax burden and on our families and get out of the way and let the private sector and our families grow and thrive and prosper. An increased tax formula that Barack Obama is proposing in addition to nearly a trillion dollars in new spending that he's proposing is the backwards way of trying to grow our economy.





Notice how Biden is promising 95% of taxpayers will never see a dime of tax increases in any shape or form if Obama is elected.

Sounds like a "Read my lips" promise. Can anyone honestly tell me they believe under Obama 95% of taxpayers will never see a dime in their taxes being raised in the next 4 years.

"...so, government, lessen the tax burden and on our families and get out of the way and let the private sector and our families grow and thrive and prosper."

And, my, hasn't the govt. done a marvelous job over the past 8 years, a period in which Bush lowered taxes, and govt. deregulated like crazy. With McCain/Palin we get the same, only more.

If you loved Bush, vote for McCain, bend over, and spead your ass cheeks, because unless you're in the top 5% of earners, you're gonna take it in the ass.

And if you're in the mongering community, regardless of income, the goal will be to prevent anyone from getting a piece of ass. Heterosexually, of course.

Who's goal, the fundamentalist Christians or the militant feminists? Out of the frying pan into the fire.

I personally find myself flying overseas to get away from the latter more so than the former.

I've fucked plenty of good Christian women in my life. They can be fun. In fact some of the sluttiest women I ever knew were good God fearin' Christian's. Apparently God forgives them. Never once had fun with a militant feminist though. I can't even picture it being fun.

IAS,

Just a small question - are you eligible to vote?

Second question - have you ever seen a militant feminist hinder your ability to monger? Because I've seen right-wing evangelicals hinder a lot of guys, about every time one of you comes back through LAX or SeaTac from romping in Thailand or the PI.

I can vote in ~40 of the 50 states (or ~40 of the 57 states if you ask Obama,,,,, or in all 57 of the 57 states of you ask ACORN). However you slice it, California would be one of the ~40, so I can vote.

My biggest bitch with militant feminist would be that they were a driving force in shaping California's divorce laws which has severely hindered my ability to keep the stuff I worked for all my life. Living in California the religious right has about zero impact in my day to day life whereas the left has their nose deep into every aspect of my life. I suppose I might feel different if I lived in Alabama or somewhere.

LAX has generally been pretty cool to me. IAH seems to be a bunch of assholes so maybe there is a bible belt correlation. But really most of the real assholes I've encountered in CBP anywhere seemed motivated by the good old fashioned personal power trip mentality. The guys who got picked on in grade school and now they get to screen travelers and feel like they can regain their manhood by hassling innocent people. Although there are a few man hating few bull dykes in those ranks as well. I figure most of these folks are not really motivated by religion or politics. They are just just assholes. But I would figure them to mostly be Obama voters though since they are unionized government worker types.

I don't see any militant feminists on the Obama/Biden ticket.

I do see a fundamentalist Christian on the McCain/Palin ticket.

'nuff said.

And IAS, there is more than one variety of militant feminist. There's the man-hating dyke variety and the "I'm free to fuck whomever and whenever I want" variety. You hang with the wrong group. I've met plenty of the latter variety.

Believe it or not, there's a strain of feminism that fully supports prostitution. They have no problem with the commodification of sex, feeling it opens more opportunities for women than men.

Obama = unconditional rubber stamp approval for the desires of Pelosi et al.

When I'm flipping through channels and see that Rachel Maddow chick on MSNBC pimping Obama and trashing McCain I cringe at the thought of that type of woman's political motives being imposed on me.

And you feel better when you see Rush pimping McCain. Let's acknowledge the fact that both candidates have scary supporters.

And please, you have no data upon which to suggest that Obama will simply bend to Pelosi's wishes. How he will govern, just as how any other president has governed, is not well predicted by either their past voting records or their campaign rhetoric or promises. Clinton ran to the left and governed from the center. Bush ran to the center and governed from the right. Reagan ran from the right and moved to the center as he governed. Obama will inevitably move towards the center, while McCain has become so unpredictable no one feels comfortable predicting what he'll do tonight, let alone if he were elected, And that's why my Wall Street friends tell me they are supporting a Democrat for the first time in their lives. They trust the people Obama has around him, and look no further than McCain's choice of Palin to conclude he lacks the judgment to govern.

The HUGE difference is even if Rush himself were to personally become president....and I am NOT a fan of the guy BTW.... but if he were to somehow become president, love him or hate him, Pelosi and Reid would then act as a buffer to keep him from doing any thing 'bad'. No buffer whatsoever against Obama.

That group of "liberal economists" Pelosi was parading around the other day actually really do scare the hell out of me and honestly, for the most part I don't take this stuff to seriously.

So again, you're pissed because YOU AGREED TO GET MARRIED and then got divorced and didn't like the results of the divorce. This is because of radical feminists, who control all aspects of California government since the 1970s. Ok, that's a real big stretch to blame some butch dyke for YOU GETTING MARRIED OF YOUR OWN FREE WILL which is really where the blame lies, right?

Anyways, how does this hinder your ability to monger? Are feminists standing at the San Ysidro border crossing preventing your walking to TJ? Are they manning the check-in counters at LAX and preventing every single guy from traveling to Southeast Asia. For that matter, have they shut down the domestic mongering in LA and the Bay Area, which is pretty up front in San Francisco?

Don't project onto others your bitterness over YOUR DECISION TO GET MARRIED IN THE FIRST PLACE when the relationship ended in divorce. If you want easy divorce laws, then move to Saudi Arabia where you can divorce a wife just by saying so.

Who knows, with a radical Muslim about to take the White House, maybe the "divorce-on-demand" policies of parts of the Arab world will be invoked in California.

Particularly at this time, who is going to run our country is serious stuff. If someone doesn't take this "to seriously," [sic] why bother us with dogmatic posts which include analyses that reflect a lack of seriousness?

Or should we just go ahead and burn this country because IAS believes he was burned by his ex-wife?

Where was the consumer protection? There should be informed consent laws and full disclosure of the dire financial implications required before anyone can get a marriage license. It's unsafe at any speed. ;)

Actually the real truth is they mainly just irritate the hell out of me. And who here will say that American women are better than the women from any number of foreign countries? It's the whole attitude which has pervaded our culture that I object to. This is why it is more fun to fly overseas to play with the ladies from less progressive countries.

Hey, maybe you have something with the Muslim angle, although since I have now converted from Islam to Catholicism I suppose I couldn't use it myself.

If someone held a gun to your head and said you HAD to fuck, either Sarah Palin or Nancy Pelosi, who would you chose then?

Particularly at this time, who is going to run our country is serious stuff. If someone doesn't take this "to seriously," [sic] why bother us with dogmatic posts which include analyses that reflect a lack of seriousness?

I'm just having fun with you guys. I see all you guys out there waiting till this thing is over and saying payback a bitch. In reality I do not take this seriously. Especially considering this is a whore mongering board. A very wise man once told me that idealists fight to make the world the way they think it should be, but smart men instead accept the world how it is and within that reality turn it to their benefit and exploit it for personal gain.

analyses[sic]

American Heritage Dictionary -
a·nal·y·sis
n. pl. a·nal·y·ses

(Message edited by LAguy on October 16, 2008)

And another conservative goes down to defeat in a debate.......

It's unsafe at any speed. ;)

LOL! Vote for the guy that said THAT!!!

I'd LOVE to read 5000 words about what the world would be like if HE won!

IAS,

Pelosi wasn't bad looking in her younger days. If I had to, I would do her before Palin, even though she's well into her 60s.

Check out this old article from the Post, from 2006:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/11/09/AR2006110901581.html

http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=hc5_EqQg-MI&feature=related

I was educated in the California public school system so of course I am ignorant. I am a scathing example of the abject failure of liberal education policies.

OK, I lost the plural of anal debate, but I did get you guys on the who doesn't know how many states there are in the Union debate.

Cat, if you would rather fuck Pelosi, more power to ya. ;-) I don't think there is enough Suju in all of Korea for me to sink that low and surely I am a guy with low standards.

Sounds like IAS is like one of those sniveling liberals who reject self-responsibility and instead puts all the blame for his sad situation on "society." Next thing you know he'll be asking for governmental hand-outs so that he can go to a remedial education school and learn how to spell!

Just don't invite me to one of his spelling bees. Watching him perform would be too embarrassing.

I agree, Sancho is a total liberal. I hear he was on 100% state-supported welfare for 2-5 years

You are correct. Above all I am a pragmatist and seeing as how it seems somewhat likely I will be living under the thumb of a liberal regime for the next few years I have to figure out how to come out ahead under the new rules that will be imposed. Obviously the first thing I must do to be on top in the liberal world is to place myself in a victim group. Being "challenged" should get me preferential treatment and handouts don't ya' think? If I really play it right I should be able to quit working entirely after a couple of years of Obama/Pelosi.

LAGuy, you're picking on a good guy. Hard week at the salt mine?

Yeah, feed at the trough, be a victim.

I have ever met anyone who tops McCain at being a "professional victim". I had a relative whose POW experience makes McCain's look like a trip to ClubMed. In the 50+ years that I knew him, I heard him speak of his experience twice, both in reaction to a question. Each time he said something to the effect of "Everyone has tough times. Fortunately, I have had very happy times also." And then he changed the subject.

I am not sure that McCain goes one hour without trotting out his "heroic victim status". I think that a brief synopsis of his war years embroidered on his lapel would be less conspicuous.

I am very saddened that he suffered the sacrifices and hardships. But that does NOT make him entitled to be president. And he is not the only person who "luuvs amurica".

He is railing about his opponent's connection to a domestic terrorist. Ok, fine. Good topic, let's talk about it. While we are at it, let't talk about your suckbuddy relationship with Keating, the lorgodking of the Savings and Loan buttfucking that wiped out many peoples investments in a tuneup to todays financial sodomy. He and the other "Keating Five" attempted to intimidate/influence the investigators to save his buddy who flew him around on his private jet and probably shared seman with him.

After getting outed as an influence peddler, he became a moralist reformer of the highest order. He penned major reform legislation quicker than a 4x4 garota will stick your dick in her mouth.

An, what about Obama and his drug use? Hmmmm, McCains wife became a drug addict, set up a medical charity for children and then stole drugs from it. She even admits it. If she were not wealthy and the darling wife of a heroic professional victim, how much time in prison would she have spent? Oh, sorry, it is sooooooo disrespectful of me. She is part of Amuurrica that are not limited by laws. Those are for the little people.

So, yeah, hate those liberals. Yeah, the real heroes are the patriots that have changed to definition of "conservative" to: Repeatedly sodomizing the populace with the hooked end of a crowbar and while whispering "god loves you" into their ears.

Porker: Huh??

"let't talk about your suckbuddy relationship with Keating, the lorgodking of the Savings and Loan buttfucking that wiped out many peoples investments in a tuneup to todays financial sodomy."

On the subject of buttfucking and sodomy ....... wasn't it Barney Frank who was quite literally buttfucking Fannie Mae executive Herb Moses? Or maybe it was Fannie Mae executive Herb Moses who was buttfucking Barney Frank? I can't say that I know who was top and who was bottom. Only that Fannie Mae executive Herb Moses and Barney Frank had an intimate, sodomise [sp] relationship whereby they were poking their penises at one another. I'm open minded and all, but somehow it seems like some kind of conflict of interest and would seem to disqualify Barney Frank from shooting his mouth off to much about the mortgage crisis.

LAGuy:

What?

Here is what you are going to get with Obama and a Democratic Congress. Even Clinton says the Democrats protected their Sugar Daddies (Frank Raines, etc.) in Fannie and Freddie. Look at he video and pay attention.....the Democrats were warned of a collapse on different occasions and they put politics for their party before the collapse of the financial system.

http://www.classicalvalues.com/archives/2008/09/it_wasnt_broke.html

Beachman, glad to see that you've come to your senses and are starting to accept the fact that Obama will be your President. How's real estate moving in Orlando these days?

I am Sancho: Finally, I can give you some news that you will like:

I do not support Barney Frank for President either.

But you learn well from your political heroes. It is a standard tactic these days to attempt to associate your opposition with a parallel subject and then attack on that issue. This is particularly popular when a person holds a totally indefensible stance on the original issue.

Btw, I have not endorsed the democratic candidate. The only thing that I am certain of is that I will not vote for McCain.

Have a nice day!

Bman: Let's see, the dollar was removed fromt he gold standard and put on the arrogance and horseshit standard in 1972. Hmmm, who was in office at that time? Later, Ronald Rayguns was in office it became popular for corporations to to steal pension funds and give the 401K Ponzi as a such a selfless substitute.

Did I say that any one political party was responsible for the events that have been 40 years in the making? Nope.

Who do I think that is most responsible? The people who really run things. The forces that purchase the election for the talking head most willing to bend over, allow an arm to be shoved up his ass and become a convincing hand puppet.

g(G)oddam, I just realized that LambChops would be the perfect president.

But bman, you are always such a breath of fresh air and add sunshine to this forum. I hope your day is filled with green lights, blue skies and all the Certs mints that your little heart desires.

(Message edited by blissman on October 18, 2008)

Porker: What specifically did I say that caused you to claim I was picking on IAS (or when you said I was picking on a good guy were you referring to McCain)? It seems but is not at all clear you interpreted my response to IAS's joking statement "I was educated in the California public school system so of course I am ignorant. I am a scathing example of the abject failure of liberal education policies," where I jokingly responded he sounded like a sniveling liberal who would take no responsibility for his own situation as picking on IAS.

But I really have no idea what you were referring to or trying to say.

I am waiting in great anticipation for Blissman to go on Meet the Press tomorrow and endorse Obama.

Pleeeeaze Blissman, don't let us all down!

The main reason I come in this thread is to get picked on. Sometimes I just get bored and decide to go poke at the hornets nest with a stick a few times and see what happens. It just wouldn't be any fun if no one got riled.

Thanks for the clarification IAS. I had wondered why you post so much stupid (or dare I say retarded) shit in the political threads that begs for people to pick on you. Now we all know!

If you weren't picking on IAS, I need to go back to 4th grade remedial reading.

The good news, is that IAS can defend himself, and that La Guy doesn't usually shoot and miss.

Well, it seems Colin Powell went on Meet the Press in place of Blissman. But I'm still waiting for Blissman's Obama endorsement nonetheless.

Laguy,

he gave it to me personally over the phone last week

Laguy, as you know, I have been runnng my own campaign for president and have reason to believe that my write-in intiative will begin to get traction in the next few days. For that reason, I just cannot toss the towel in just yet. I was considering going on TV this morning just to enhance the suspense regarding my campaign status and possible endorsement. But I had a jamaican jerk experience last night and got up a bit late.

Here are the facts. I am still running for president. I have been promoting the doctrine of the Fairness Party aggressively since last December. As a matter of fact, I voiced my "Do it with bliss in '08" slogan in Lima last new year's eve. I have concentrated my campaign to bring untold numbers of women to my cause. I guess, in retrospect, it would have been more effective if I had pushed it inside the US instead of in south and central america. But gawwwd! what if some gringa decided to force me to deliver on my motto! I would rather shit barbwire than have sex with a gringa.

I gotta tell ya, Laguy, my TV appearances have been sparse in the last few years. As a matter of fact, the last "Meat the Press" experience that I had was when I has sex with the spinner who worked at a newstand in Copa.

But being somewhat pragmatic, there is an outside chance that my campaign will peak a bit late. If there is no major movement in the next few days, I will go ahead and make an announcement. But the TV guys will simply have to do a remote. I will not go to NY just for one interview. Tune in for the feed from the "blissmore estate" next sunday morning.

Ok. I already told you that I could not vote for McCain. I also know that I simply will not be able to endure Palin's voice for four years. I will have to stay in cellar for four years, leave the country or poke an icepick down both my ear canals. Can you IMAGINE listening to her speak on a regular basis? Her voice is like a dental drill sans novacaine.

It is beginning to look like I will endorse Barack despite the news that he has fathered two African-American children within wedlock. At least he owned up to it. I spoke with him about it this afternoon and he was quite cordial despite the occasional tension that has risen during the long campaign. I was particularly touched when he asked me for a bit of help in a personal matter. After a long pause, he told me that there was a guy who was named after a large south american cat who was trying to fuck his wife. Knowing that I had friends in low places, he asked me to help him get to the bottom of it. His motivational gifts became evident when he said these words to me: "your are a cornpone mickey spillane sort of guy. I know you will not let me down."

What do you suppose he was talking about?

(Message edited by blissman on October 19, 2008)

CFK, so YOU are the leak in my organization! Now it all makes sense. I guess this means I will have to appoint you head of the CIA to add a bit of continuity from the imcumbent to my administration. Uhh, assuming my campaign gets traction in the next few days.

Every administration needs a controllable leak. If CFK put a tourniquet on his weewee he probably could get a little control on his leak. It will be interesting to see the vetting report on that guy. One rule in my administration: No detectable hubris, no appointment! Anyone who checks out that clean has got to be hiding something.

Thank you and good night, mah fellow americans. Let's all synchronize our watches and hope for a better tomorrow.

Rolling Stone Link

http://www.rollingstone.com/news/coverstory/make_believe_maverick_the_real_john_mccain

Make-Believe Maverick
A closer look at the life and career of John McCain reveals a disturbing record of recklessness and dishonesty
By TIM DICKINSONPosted Oct 16, 2008 7:00 PM

(Message edited by Hot4ass2 on October 20, 2008)

And now that Porker has given me the idea of picking on I am Sancho, and a good idea it is at that, what is up with the "I am" before Sancho? Does this mean we are all supposed to put "I am" before our name? I am LAguy, I am Hot4ass2, I am Blissman, and so forth?

It just goes to show how the right-wing element on this board is somehow "different." But if McCain should somehow figure out a way to steal the election ala his chum-mate George W. Bush, and he aggressively pushes the "I am" moniker on the American public, I look forward to adopting the handle "I am not Sancho." I will wear it with honor.

I'll also sell "I am not Beachman" to the highest bidder and then retire rich.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S25rlIyx214

But from now on I would like to be known as "Sancho the Whoremonger"

Actually, whenever I signed up for this site I was really drunk and in that period of time I had been banging Lao girl #1 and her friend Lao girl #2 from work. Since both Lao girl #1 and her friend Lao girl #2 were married at the time, but not to me, the Mexican gangbanger guys out in the shop here were always joking about me being "Sancho" and since the handle Sancho was already taken I chose I_am_sancho simply because I had to chose something.

When Obama is elected president I will be arguing that the fairness doctrine apply here and half of the post must be right wing.

Is a "sancho" mexican slang for a white guy who bangs Laotian women?

Yes of course. Just ask any Mexican around here, they will tell you.

Sublime wrote a song about me..............
http://www.lyricsfreak.com/s/sublime/santeria_20133073.html

"If I could find that heina and that sancho that shes found,
Well Id pop a cap in sancho and Id slap her down.

Tell sanchito that if he knows what is good for him he best go run and hide.
Daddys got a new .45.
And I wont think twice to stick that barrel straight down sanchos throat.
Believe me when I say that I got somethin for his punk ass."

"When Obama is elected president I will be arguing that the fairness doctrine apply here and half of the post must be right wing."

IAS: I'll forward your comment above to your teachers at the re-education camp who will take appropriate action I am sure.

I am THE blissman.

Palin: God will do the right thing on election day

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/10/22/palin-god-will-do-the-right-thing-on-election-day/

{ Dobson asked the vice presidential hopeful if she is concerned about John McCain’s sagging poll numbers, but Palin stressed that she was “not discouraged at all.”

“To me, it motivates us, makes us work that much harder,” she told the influential Christian leader, whose radio show reaches tens of millions of listeners daily. “And it also strengthens my faith because I know at the end of the day putting this in God’s hands, the right thing for America will be done, at the end of the day on Nov. 4.”

Dobson praised Palin's opposition to abortion rights, to which the governor affirmed that she is “hardcore pro-life.” }

I think that she has a better chance of seeing whatever false god she prays to, than seeing the inside of the Vice Presidents residence.

RG.

Well, I guess I would agree with Roadglide if the probabilities he is assigning to the two events are zero and less than zero, respectively.

It is really risky to tempt g(G)od like that assuming he watches TV. I think if I said something like she said I would stay away from anything remotely conductive if a thundercloud popped up. That is, if god has not nodded off. More and more I am of the belief that god has gone senile or has become just plain fucking clumbsy.

And he seems to be on something less than speaking terms with me. Are you listening Gguy? If you are as all-knowing as you claim, shoot me an email with your thoughts. My email addy? You are kinda short on info for an all-knowing kinda guy.

Whatever god(s) there are, I'm sure they all think that Palin is a stupid fucking cunt. She got blistered today for her stupid "the vice-president is in charge of the Senate..." diatribe. What a complete moron.

x

(Message edited by roadglide on October 22, 2008)

There are too many people in this world that use religion as an excuse to hate others. Nuff said on my views of religion, without going off on a rant!!

RG.

(Message edited by roadglide on October 22, 2008)

I like to remind X-stian anti-semites that they are worshiping a Jew. Never fails to offend. And if he did come back he would paraphrase Groucho and say "I'd never join a religion that worships ME!"

From the way some of you guys seem to worship the holy ground he walks on, I would have figured Obama was god. In fact Obamanism even seems to engender hatred of nonbelievers that is typical of many of the more fanatical religions. I mean seriously. I'm still just having fun here, but some of you guys have seriously gone off the deep end of fanaticism as of late.

Fanatic? Me? Not a chance. I am a radical ultra-moderate extremist.

To think that the views expressed here are extremist indicates how truly out of touch you really are.

It is not hard to find real extreme fanaticism really is on each end of the spectrum. Jerry Falwell's recent press conference from hell is one of many examples.

Ok, I will not dictate to you what kind of day to have. Have the type of day that you prefer.

You are the Blissman, that is good enough for me. In my case, I may be an extremist, but only in my own little world. I wouldn't presume to impose my beliefs on anyone and am tolerant of anyone else's belief system no matter how wacky it may be, so long as they aren't trying to impose it on me or expecting me to pay for it. I have no problem with radicals or extremists of any persuasion. It's the activists and evangelicals, left, right or off in their own little world, that get under my skin.

I.A.S.
"It's the activists and evangelicals, left, right or off in their own little world, that get under my skin."

I agree totally, thanks for the post!

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Just trying to put things back on topic.

See, Palin does have WAY more foreign policy experience with Russians than Obama does.

If you know how to use Bit Torrents and want to see the whole sordid "Nailin Paylin" video, the torrent is at
http://www.btmon.com/Other/Other/Sarah_Palin_Hustler_Movie_Sc_1_-_Nailin_Paylin_-_Omerta.torrent.html
If you don't know what Bit Torrents are or how to use them, the client at http://www.utorrent.com/ is a a good place to start.

If you download it and watch it and the images stuck in you mind thereafter cause you to become impotent, well, don't blame me.

IAS:

I thought you were a member of the political party of personal responsibility. When the entire membership of Club Hombre becomes impotent after viewing your truly hideous posts, it will be your responsibility to accept the well-deserved blame.

Either that, or you should become the spokesperson for a socialist program to provide extra-strength viagra to the masses free of charge to mitigate the harm you have caused.

I do offer my sincerest apology if anyone was injured. I realize I may have gone to far this time. It's all fun and games until someone gets hurt. Again, I am truly sorry and wish a speedy recovery to anyone who may have been harmed by my irresponsible actions.

I thought it was the Soju in control when you fucked that 60-year old hooker in Seoul. Now, I think you were probably a lot less drunk than you originally reported. In fact, I think you were stone sober and were in fact looking for some granny love that night.

But remember, McCain gave her the gun...

Oops, apparently I forgot to put little black boxes on those pictures. LOL Either that or those pictures were deemed to offensive for even a whore mongering web board.

Sarah Palin is now a GILF ! Not that I would fuck her - even with Sancho's dick.

Her Grandson is also named Tripp. Guess no one in her family has any imagination.

If given the choice, Sarah Palin or Tina Fey??

Be honest!

[Personal pick:Tina Fey, she is a comedian, NOT a joke]

Palin's slutty daughter Bristol just had her baby and is officially 18 now too. So here in a month or so you should be able to pick her up on some Wasilla street corner. I'm sure she could use the money. Gotta' pay for her deadbeat boyfriend's meth habit somehow.

Actually, she is being paid something like $300,000 for exclusive pictures of her baby. The word is her hypothetical to-be mother-in-law's drug bust increased interest in the story and ergo the amount she ended up getting paid.

Bris should be able to put together a real good meth lab with that kind of money. Of course, not until she gains some respectability by finishing her high school graduation correspondence course.

Topic 1:

Just got the most recent data from the National Center on Health Statistics regarding teen pregnancy rates. Rates are increasing after a 14-year decline. Guess which state has the highest rate of increase? That's right: ALASKA!!!!!! Between Palin's support of abstinence-only sex ed and her own family's contributions, it's no surprise.

Topic 2:

Does anyone else feel the urge to slug these women who went out and bought "Palin" glasses frames? I saw two yesterday, and it was tough not to let 'em have it, at least verbally.

Topic 3:

Are the bookies in Vegas giving odds on the likelihood that Bristol Palin and her loser boyfriend ever actually marry?

The problem with the issue raised in Topic 3 is one would have to wait until one of them died to cash in on the bet. OTOH, perhaps the hypothetical mother-in-law could move them in that direction (i.e. death, not marriage) by providing some good drugs. Or, if not that, I'm sure some of their living-in-Alaska's-meth-capital friends could help them out.

So what you are saying... is that, if I am looking for bareback action here in the States, Alaska is my best bet. But make sure I use a fake name.

IAS: only if you like moose meat with your bareback sex.

I'd bet that if Mama Moosehunter runs for president in 2012 she'll make the kid get married.
If they figure that O is too popular to lose then the GOP will probably run her as the bobo, and after the election that'll be the end of her national career. I wonder what fuckstick they'll put up as VP, Trent Lott?

I usuually shy away from commenting on politics; too much emotional invective, not enough rational discussion and a high likelyhood of looking like a fool. That said, several international publications editorialized late summer/early fall that regardless of which candidate won the election, they most likely would be a one-term-wonder. Why? The economy and international situation will get much worse before it gets better, and since the electorate, in general, focuses their frustration and anger on the individual and party in office when times are bad, it doesn't bode well for Obama.

She just announced that she was going to resign as the governor of Alaska as of July 26th.

What is she going to do now? Go back to school and learn how to read a speech without sounding like a jerky playing tape recording?

RG.

If the rumors are true (and who knows at this point) she may be preparing for a rather serious criminal indictment.

And to think, if only McCain and Palin won the election she could have achieved status as the new Spiro Agnew.

Ya betcha!!

You just can't make up stuff this crazy:

http://www.cqpolitics.com/wmspage.cfm?parm1=5&docID=news-000003158462

Well, apparently Sarah Palin can.

So, Abraham Lincoln knew that airline flight paths would one day cross over Alaska and they bought it for that plus oil? Is that her point? ENERGY.

I look forward to her criminal indictment sometime in the upcoming weeks.

Roadglide, Palin is going to play pro basketball. One of my favorites was 'putting her political ambition and intellect together was like putting a jet engine on a golf cart'.

I saw the speech and it was pretty bizarre. I mean, to imply that once a politician becomes a lame duck he/she is compelled to behave dishonorably, ripping off the public by traveling here and there, etc. Is there no other option? Couldn't she have just decided to do her job and do it well?

By Palin's logic, all politicians should resign as soon as they are elected for their final terms (for example, most governors and all legislators in term-limits states). What a great idea!

While her speech was bizarre, her posting on the Alaska state website defies description. She is a total nutcase.

But she'll be a rich nutcase, eventually. Her erratic actions have probably done her in as a viable candidate for any office other than dogcatcher in Wasilla. Hell, she probably can't even get the Republican nomination for US Senate in Alaska at this point. But...the wingnuts love her. Many old, white, male Republicans get hard every time they see her, and these are guys who normally can only get it up with strange men in public restrooms! So, expect to see her as a regular on FOX.

If that gig doesn't work out, she'll have to return home and help Todd corner the meth market in Wasilla.

Anyone else get the impression she is manic-depressive?

This whole episode has just been so frightening. It's shocking that they would post that on her web-site, with all of those hilarious mistakes. It reads like something that Kid Cisco would have posted on this site a couple of years ago. How could a decent percentage of such an advanced society admire the stupidity? It's really sad.

She's a standard narcissist, nothing more. She's always been the dumb pretty girl, and she's gotten ahead because of it. Zero beneath the surface, but she's too dumb to realize that she's stupid. I wouldn't say she's manic-depressive, just a dumb cunt who thinks her shit doesn't stink. Now, she's having really smart people tell her she's a loon, and a laughingstock, and she can't process the info since no one every told her that before her Veep selection.