Adelitos,
I love the Valentios, although I do occasionly have a few problems in there. But nothing to write home about. Usually the problem is with the mongers having the deer in the headlight look. That was the problem Friday night. We looked like rich suckers. But I got a number of free beers. So I had a good time.
Just remember, count your change. Don't the gals drinks and have fun.

Westfargo...

Went down Monday afternoon after work. I was supposed to meet my amiga at the restaurant next to AB at 4:00pm, but traffic was really bad and I didn't get there until 4:45. She was waiting for me out front and had been there since 3:30. I felt bad for keeping her waiting, but she told me she knew I'd be there and traffic was the most likely cause of my tardiness. She wanted to go to the movies and I thought that sounded great, but I had driven my convertible and badly needed a shower. So we went to her place where I was able to take only a cold shower. There is a waterheater, but no gas running to it. After the shower I was feeling a bit frisky, so we did what came natural. Then she said she wanted to take a nap, so I started preparing dinner. I bought her a little barbeque, and brought steaks, potatoes, vegetables, bread, beer, champagne and strawberries(her favorite). I cooked up everything and we ate around 10:00. I liked it alot, but she insisted on putting salsa on the ribeye and eating tortillas as well as the rolls I made.

After dinner we went to a friend's house from whom she was to buy a car. It turns out that the "friend" sold the car to someone else and was no longer available. We were hanging out with the guy that bought the car(a husband of an AB chica) and he is a cool guy. I first met him several weeks ago. We kept offering me a shot of tequila and I declined several times, when finally my novia said to take it,"it will make you horny again". So I did and caught a bit of a buzz. Finally we went back to her place after buying a movie to watch. I had another drink and she said don't get drunk. Then we got into bed and started watching the movie. I didn't want to watch the movie though, I wanted more sex. She clearly didn't, but since I wanted it she said to go ahead and do it. Well normally she is really into it and is extemely wet...not this time...dry as a bone. I said forget it and rolled over to go to sleep. She cuddled up next to me and slept in my arms. When we woke up she started getting affectionate and indicated she wanted mas amor. So we did it and she clearly enjoyed it. After, I asked what was the problem the night before and she said "because you were drunk". But, I protested "you insisted I drink the tequila". Go figure.

After we got cleaned up we went downtown for a bit of shopping and eating, and she said how about we go to the beach. So we went to Playa de Tijuana(really not a bad place at all) and had a nice romantic time. Then we went back to her place and her brother in law and I went to the plumbing shop and picked up stuff to put the gas tank for the stove outside and ran a new line into the kitchen and a splitter and a line down to the waterheater...ahhhh hot showers. We take so much for granted here, imagine no hot water. She had a plastic trash can in the shower and would boil 3 pots of water to pour in there with the cold in order to not freeze while bathing.

There are people here that can casually say "dump the whore as soon as she wants extra money". That's easy to say when you aren't in the situation. But when you really connect with someone and care about their feelings...things change. I spent $26 and invested about 1 1/2 hours of my time, but now she has hot water in her shower and no gas tank in the middle of her kitchen, and I feel good about myself for doing something that made at least a small difference in her everyday life...not to mention now I can have hot showers when I am at her house. We have so much here compared to how other people live, it is completely natural for them to want more and to ask for more. Sure, some will say, she just wants my money. And yes she does want it, I know that, and she is getting some of it. But I find the experience very rewarding. The good feeling lasts alot longer than the 10 seconds of an orgasm.

One other note. She told me she wants me to go with her for a vacation to Vera Cruz(where she is from) this summer. This makes me kind of nervous. She wants me to meet her family.

Adelito:

You have nothing to fear in meeting your amiga's family. If anything, she can use you as a reason why she is able to send pesos to her family (rich gringo novio), rather than having to explain about her real job.

You might even get to meet her real novio back home!

You are paying for free sex and only you can tell if it is worth it. From MPOV I could not exist without the chicas in TJ but I would not miss any one of them.

Adelito:

If Westfargo had experienced this, I wonder what kind of report he would have given....(no doubt though...it would've been a bashing).

Anyway, you show you are humane.

694me,

I don't mean to sound like I am afraid of her family. I would actually like very much to meet them. I am sure we would hit it off very well and it would be a wonderful trip. What does worry me is that I am actually in my mind working out the logistics of how this trip may come to fruition, ie, time off of work, explaining my absense to family and friends("Gee Mother, doesn't it sound nice for your son to go with a hooker to visit her family in southern Mexico"), where to stay, how much expense will I incur, and most importantly what does this mean is happening to my friendship with this girl.

As far as her novio at home...she doesn't have one, her husband is there. They've been separated for years.

Adelito
I am going to Veracruz July 9th for just over a week of staying at the house of an amiga of mine.I'll get to/have to finally meet her family.I have found that not many airlines fly to Veracruz.I'm flying to Mexico city on a free air voucher from a previous monger trip to TJ.Mexico City is the closest America West flies to Veracruz.Airfares in Mexico are fairly expensive with both Mexicana and AeroMexico wanting over three hundred dollars for a R/t flight from Mex to Ver which is only a 45 minute flight even if purchased well in advance.I'm staying over a week so I'll cruise a superluxury bus instead for a little over thirty dollars each way.It takes about five hours and i'll be able to see the countryside down there that way.I probably won't be able to test out the mongering waters of Veracruz much but I'll post later any interesting things i find to do while i'm there.
I hope things go well for you and your amiga.
Taxibob

Adelito
You are a good man.Love is caring for someone more than you do for yourself.

Taxibob,

That sounds like it ought to be a great trip. I will be very interested to hear about it upon your return. So you will be staying at her house there huh?
I'll bet Vera Cruz is an interesting place...Cortez landed there when he first came to Mexico and founded the city. Well I guess first he destoyed the indian city, took their women and killed the men...then blessed it in the name of the holy church and then founded it. I would really like to see the place.
I hope you have a great adventure.

TaxiBob:

If you are taking the ADO from the TAPU to Veracruz, and you have the time, break up your trip with a stop in Puebla. Lots of things to see and do (The world's largest pyramid is just outside of Puebla), and you can spend the night in Puebla cheap.

Otherwise, its a long trip.

Adelito: Love is blind, but everyone else is not.
You are right to be concerned about the details of what to say to who. My suggestion, talk about this in depth with your amiga. Sounds like to already have an open and truthful relationship, this should be easy then. Once you decide on your story, then figure the same out for your side of the family. Not everyone is as progressive as you and cannot understand why a man would fall for a "working girl" .
I wrote in the past about my relationship, which is back on, but on a different and more honest and open course.
Good luck to you.

Adelito,
Enjoy the trip, enjoy the company, and be friendly with all of the family. Listen to very little negative about the situation and you will find it more enjoyable. It may not last forever but than again, you never know. Vera Cruz is not very expensive right now.
You may want to look on line for tickets right now. The price are good but going up at this point in time (U.S. tourist season). If you are not sure when you are going to be leaving, last minute travel sites and travelocity have some good last minute deals for Mexico all the time.

Adelito,

When do you want to go to Vera Cruz? I want to go with you. I could meet you in Mexico City and we could take the bus from there... or maybe rent a car and go through Puebla!!

Friend of Adelito

Friendofadelito,
Don't go to Vera Cruz to save Adelito. Adelito is in a very crutial part of his Mexican learning stage. Some people learn fast some slow, some learn from other peoples mistakes. Adelito need to learn this one on his own. I've seen a lot of Americans like him. The best think to do is leave him alone. However, There's been 60 Americans kidnapped from the State of Gurerrero alone last year and held for ransom. That's just one state of 31 states they have. Isn't that funny that the state department doesn't issues an emergency about Mexico. These Americans are kidnapped for MONEY!!! 60 Americans in 1 state in 1 year. Like I said, there's more Americans missing and killed in Mexico then all other contries combined in the world. But if Adelito feels like Superman. Let his ass go get killed!

Westfargo...

Adelito
I easily survived my trip to Veracruz.I rode the next to most luxury bus line(ADO-GL) from Mexico city to Veracruz and later back for 265 pesos(they accept credit cards) each way and i was very happy with it.Beautiful countryside,get a window seat and bring a camera if you do this.
Lots of hot looking women all over Veracruz.I think there is a lot of european blood mixed in since it has been a very busy port city for so long and the mix has made for some fine looking hybrids.Very laid back place with lots of taxis so it is easy to get around.Most charge 20 pesos unless you go a long way then it goes up to thirty or forty pesos.I plan to post some sort of trip report in the appropriate thread but did not get to search out mongering spots due to the chica keeping close quarters to me.It's hot and very humid in Veracruz now so i would suggest you wait till cooler weather.
Taxibob

Taxibob, I should have looked over here before my response in TJ trip buddies. Man I want to take this trip so bad, I am actually considering telling her I'll do it in 3 weeks. I looked up tickets on Expedia...better deal than Travelocity. The biggest issue to me at this moment is she wants to take her kids and I haven't met them yet. Although they are 1/2 price, it would still end up being about $1300 for airfare for all of us. I can handle that, but renting a fullsize car was about $500 and add the cost of hotels and food and fun and it gets up there. She says the next opportunity to go is Christmas time, but I don't want to wait that long if I don't have to. What do you think the weather is like in December?

Adelito.
Damn~ bang your an instant family man financing a family vacation.I flew to Mexico City on a free flight,went to terminal tapo in a secure taxi that you buy an advance ticket from the airport for 64 pesos to tapo and later 25 pesos from tapo to the airport.I rode a half full really comfortable bus(ADO-GL) that was very clean,air conditioned,nearly fully reclining seats,had movies,free coca cola and bottled water,clean bathrooms and was an express with no other stops for the five hour trip.Pack some snacks because thers no stopping.I paid 265 pesos each way but you can drop a notch to the regular ADO line(more like greyhound) and get even cheaper or step up a notch to Servicio Uno.If you rent a car to drive for this trip you have many toll stops along the way and i saw a ton of people pulled over by policia.Add gas and driving could be expensive especially with one or two traveling.
I stayed at her Casa and got along well with her family.The hotels i checked seemed expensive and very few are on the net for checking out.We did use a nice ,drive in love motel called motel Venus which much be comparable to TJ's parador.It went for 170 pesos for two hours and let us get a few hours of luxury,air conditioned privacy whenever we wanted.Hopefully she can help you find a decent hotel for reasonable because hotel prices there could eat up your budget on a long stay.
Veracruz and adjoining Boca Rio have miles and miles of malecon overlooking the gulf and a lot of beach.The aquarium was a pretty cool place to check out too.everybody seemed friendly and i never felt uneasy walking anywhere.
Even though i had a good time and got along with her family i have decided after a lot of thought that it is to distant of a long distance relationship and if i ever go back it will be for mongering.Now all i have to do is break this news to her.ughh!
Taxibob

Sounds like the bus is the way to go, but it seems like there might be some nice sights to see along the way that I would hate to miss...especially the pyramid near Puebla. I am not sure where in VC she said her family lives. She told me once, but I forgot. On the map it looks like a pretty big State.
I see what you mean about the instant family man financing the vacation for everybody...maybe I will wait for December, but I am looking forward to it. She keeps telling me how she wants me to meet her father and I know it would be a great time.
Have you ever seen that movie with Selma Hayek and Matthew Perry? I don't know the name of it, but it's about an american dude and a Mexican chick. They fall in love, blah, blah, blah. But there is this cool scene where they go to her family's home in Mexico and have a great time with the family and I imagine my trip to be something like that.
Glad to hear you had a good time.

Adelito: Some of the best fun I have ever had was attending the parties (weddings, 15 year parties, birthdays & simply Sunday get togethers) of my chica & her family. They are really good at throwing parties (they have to be good at something - - - just kidding).
The movie is called "Fools Rush In", how appropriate huh? I speak only from personal experience, that is.
Have a blast, carry lots of spare money (there's always emergencies) and keep a real open mind.

Good luck!

Nogi Boy, I like your perspective on things...you sound like a cool guy.

Adelito: More like a realist. I got into this relationship expecting lots of sex (unrushed, and not sitting down), a good time, and whatever else came my way. So far it's been a rollercoaster ride. Less sex than when I didn't know her well (I think she's either sexed out, or maybe she wants to wait a while before discussing this, it just seems taboo to even go near the topic). A ton of things to do (no one in this family has a car) and a ton of things to bring over since things are cheaper in the U.S. than Mexico according to them (oh, and no money to get that done). I have no regrets and certainly consider myself the winner thus far since I have gained so much more than I have given (if nothing else, a different perspective on life and some good patience building therapy). It's just a different way of doing things for them and that's the way it is.
On the upside, they always treat me like a king, it's like the scene when a hero arrives during a disasterous movie (I have good mechanical skills and some tools so I end up fixing lots of stuff). They make sure I am well fed. For some reason though, they hardly ever say "thank you" but you can see the gratitude in their eyes.
Am I nuts??

Nogi Boy,
What you said about them never saying "thank you" made me think about lots of times when I felt I went out of my way to help or give my friend something extravagent. I never heard much in the way of Thanks either. I know some of the things I have done were big deals, but I almost felt like she expected it of me and if I hadn't done it, I would have been a bad guy. Maybe this is some cultural issue that I hadn't really explored before. I was thinking it was her, but maybe that's just the way it is and I shouldn't expect gratitude. Sometimes I think they figure we are rich, we have so much, that we must share with them or we aren't contributing our fair share to the relationship. There is always the satisfaction of a job well done and also knowing you did the right thing by helping someone you care about, but it does feel good when you get a pleased reaction from someone you did something for.
But having a relationship with someone from a different culture means having to look at things in a way you aren't used to. For me, my deal is so new that I haven't gotten used to all the differences yet and don't know what to expect...but it is a joy "peeling back the layers on an onion" as Whistler has called it. It's fun, exciting, a roller coaster ride, at times painful, but damn I wouldn't stop the ride for anything at this point. Can't wait to see what happens next. Good luck amigo. And, no you're not nuts.

". Maybe this is some cultural issue that I hadn't really explored before."

Sorry to say it's not. You guys just have in-laws(or future in-laws) with poor maners.

I agree with Chargers. Hell, I've had sg's thank me for my patronage.

Me and Potatohead had this problem with our chica's saying thank you for all the stuff we did for them. I thought it was cultural also except Potatohead's chica thanks me when I do things for her, she doesn't thank him nearly enough. Mine had a problem with this also. I think a lot of it has to do with how they are raised, or not raised.

I have to agree with Chargers and ReyTJ, based on my experience. That does not make them bad people, but it would definitely lead me to wonder. Even when they seemed to expect it, the Mexicans I have been friends with or dated, and their families, have always been good about saying thank you.

I think it's all about their upbringing, and not about the culture. Heck, I am just as Mexican as this girl, yet I say please and thank you more than I should. Maybe they do not realize where things come from and therefore cannot appreciate it. This girl has a problem with me working "too much", yet she never associates the fact that she can have a nice stuffed shrimp dinner and bottle of wine as the fruits of my labor. They go to work when they want (or really need to) and think the rest of the world is on the same note.
It's a complex thing for sure.
Let's keep it going and maybe we can fix this (and some other of the world's) problems.

;-)

c¡?c?4, theres an old Mexican saying, "the eyes don't lie", if the family is treating you well and you can see the "gratitude in their eyes", then I wouldn't assume your just being used. They're asking you to do these favors for them because they believe you want to do them. One bit of advice, don't do anything you really don't want to do. For example if you get tired of playing chauffeur for the family then let them know, they were able to get around by bus just fine before you came along and still can.

"For example if you get tired of playing chauffeur for the family then let them know, they were able to get around by bus just fine before you came along and still can."

Spoken like a true novio of a Mexican girl


On the subject of manners. From my experience(and I would be willing to bet that my experience is way way more then anyone elses on this board, with the exception of anyone on the board who is Mexican, or Mexican American) most Mexican families are in general much more formal us Americans. Just to give a example. Most families I know, when you enter thier home it's a custom to greet everyone very formaly with a big smile, & a "buenas tardes"(or dias, noches, whatever is apropriate). And it doesn't end there, then you walk up to everyone and shake hands with the men, and give a little peck on the cheek to the women. If you don't do this they just think your a complete slob. To not say "thank you" when they've done you a favor would just be that much worse.

But the truth is that alot of the girls that work in the zona didn't receive that kind of education growing up.

I lived in rural Mexico and I married into a "poor" Mexican family. They appreciate everything you do for them but will not say thank you, ever, to their own family members. They see you as a family member. You see yourself as "novio," but the family sees you as "esposo," even if you don't live with the girl.

Mexico is a class society, and the lower classes operate differently than the upper (or tiny middle) class. They are very hospitable in terms of filling your belly and inviting you everywhere, but will not bend the knee in gratitude. They say thank you by mentally adopting you into the family-which means that naturally you will do everything you can to help them out. You're in the family now.-the monk

In light of what has been said about the 'not saying thank you' custom, what about the custom of begging for forgiveness.

My girl has said to me a number of times, "I only beg forgiveness from my mother and God".

Is this another one of those customs differences, or am I just lucky to have a girl who is stubborn beyond reason?

That would be the english translation of a fairly common Mexican expression (when begging forgiveness), it's "yo solo le pido perdon amy madre y a dios". You should point out to your amiga that it shouldn't be used TOO often or it loses it's dramatic effect.

While we are on the topic of Mexican relationships, I have a problem. I travel down to Los Mochis, with a non-working chica, and hang out with her family (although I don't normally sleep at their house, they have no air conditioning).

Anyway, the problem is this: I'm not particularly interested in the chica I'm traveling with, but she has a cousin down there that I am interested in. Since she is female, we haven't spoken much (single women don't seem to talk much). My chica friend advertises me as her husband ...... BUT I want to try the extremely difficult maneuver known as the 'Switch'. This will require me to return to Los Mochis, without my chica friend (she is out of vacation time, anyway), and somehow hook up with the cousin.

This IS going to be very difficult, since the parents of my chica friend may not look kindly at the cousin pre-empting her. Needless to say, there are all sorts of uncles, aunts, cousins, a veritable army of relatives all in close proximity to one another - no secrets there.

So, is this maneuver possible?

Toehead, Sounds like your chica may be a "mula" (which despite the sounds, is not something islamic) which is a female mule (as in stubborn) and can also infer "mean". I hope I'm wrong for your sake. I just got rid of "my mula".

Well it could be considered a fairly tacky maneuver and would probably get the Westfargo seal of approval. Seriously though if the cousin is a close amiga of your chica friend I wouldn't attempt it. Even if she isn't an amiga you can expect the family to be upset about it. But if you think she's REALLY worth it then give it a shot.

Senor Pauncho, I realize "who posted what" can often be a perplexing maze..I think your referring to the "Merican" post which I responded to.

oops.

Adelito,
I'm not trying to pick on you. Even Roger say's my attitude is a little unruly these days. I don't know what it is! I live in a 95% hispanic naborhood. Their good people. But the constant screaming, yelling, fighting, spiting, shopping carts, food smell, horns honking, grease, smoking cars, clothes hangers, Mexican lingo, adults riding bicycles to work, stray dogs, pit bulls, fat ugly guys wearing tank tops, baseball caps on backwards, broken down cars, playing mexican music at top volume at 5:00AM, broken beer bottles, slashed tires, etc... Is really wearing me out! I even ask my naibors how they can stand it. They say they hate it too. I'm rather rude! They all know me as the "Americano loco" they also know I don't give a shit and I'm always trying to fuck their wive's. But, I think I'm going to move. I'm going to move to an ALL AMERICAN naiborhood. I'm just so tired of this shit. It's 1:45AM monday night and I have the window open, and I can hear 3 or 4 different radios full blast in other homes, blasting Mexican music. I've call the cops so many times. They just turn down the music then the cops leave and within 1 minutes it's back up their again...

O! by the way, Your not still with that whore?

Westfargo...

Westfargo,

Consider Greenbay, Wisconson or Fairbanks, Alaska
Moving there would help you chill.

Hey Westfargo, How's it goin? Haven't talked to you for awhile. You gonna be around tonight? I'll be at Adelita's around 5:00 or 6:00pm tonight(Tuesday).

The answer to your question....yes I am still with her. It's going pretty well too. I know you don't approve of this, but I am having a good time...much better than any other chica I've hung out with. She holds the record with me for most sex in a 24 hour period...6 times(no viagra). No way am I gonna let that get away, not without good reason. Remember, she and I have been friends for over 2 years now.

Hope to see you tonight.

im going to move to an ALL AMERICAN neighborhood "

westfargo - good luck to your move in ohio

not too many all american places left

remember whites will be the minority soon

where will you go then ?
by the way i live in an area that is 75 percent mexican and 20 percent asian and the rest is mixed and it is the quietest place in chula vista

where do you live ?
your rent must be cheap

i like your post to 76's

take care
milkman

"I'm going to move to an ALL AMERICAN naiborhood."

Well, I doubt you are paying the kind of rent/mortgage I am... If I moved to a neighborhood like you have, I would have another $500 a month fun money...

It seems that in order to live in a quiet area in LA, one has to pay from at least $1,000 to $1,500 for a one BR apartment... It's a bummer... I pay $1,100 for 1BR, really SUCKS, but it's a very nice area... All races, but they keep it toned down... No shopping carts allowed, hehehe..
ag

I live in Riverside. My Ex is Mexican and all her friends are here. It's low rent. I used to live in a nice area when I was making big bucks. I just want to move to an area where everybody speaks English. I have a cool son that spent the night last night and tonight. He's just like me. Really nice! But he's got the same taste as me too. He's dating this black gal at school. I know what your thinking! This gal is 15 years old, 5'8" 44D, 130 lbs. And is half Mexican too. When I saw her the other day. I said, son! have you "F___" her yet? He said, NO! That's grose! I nearly got into a fucking wreck. I said, go buy a condom and have fun. He said, that's grose dad! I want a blood test. I really don't think this kid is mine. I just spoke to my brother. He said, It's not my kid! Kids now-a-days are really fucked up! His girlfriend is so delicous! She is perfect. Although, I've had nicer in Mexico. But she's American. I just wish I were 15 for one day! We've got to get rid of this 18 years old fucking law. Girls like my son's girlfriend need to be fucked! I just wish the penelty were a $20 fine...

Westfargo...

Westfargo...

Westfargo, I don't know who those guys are that don't like you. I think the girls should pay you. You're like the fuckin' Mr. Wizard.

Crackula,
I hate to brag! But I have gotten Mexicans gals to give me money. Rosio has given me lots of money. And she only makes $5.50 a day. Why do I do that? Just like American men going to Mexico, I know nothing makes her feel better and more apreaciated then for her to help me out. She's given me $800 pesos before! It probobly took her 2 or 3 months to save that money. She is so sweet, she felt so happy to help an American down on his luck. Again, I don't need the money! I did it for her. She needed to feel useful. And the ultimant complent for a Mexican is to have an American ask for help!!!

So you see! I can understand why American men love to throgh money at Mexican women. It makes them feel needed. The only difference is that I'll actually use the money in a constructive maner. Buy lunch and clothes for my childeren. It's the truth! I'm American, that's the way I think. I've had money all my life. I know how to spend it wisley! I can say, I have $20! How can I streach this the futhest! Mexicans girls with 3rd grade education don't think that way. If they only had $5 in the whole world, they would go to Sanborns. I know that to be a fact. I've seen them do it before! Do you think the AB gals run over to their CHILDEREN and give them their $50? I didn't think so! The Mexican women will just squander it on usless garbag! If they were good women they would be at home with their childeren. Like 99% of all other Mexican women are!!!!

Westfargo...

"I hate to brag." Um ...sure. West, listen to me, very carefully. Look in the mirror, each morning, and say to yourself, I am a good man, I deserve all the joy and love that God is sending my way, that love will flow through me and be reflected in all that I do, for that I am grateful.

And, West, know that you are telling yourself the truth. People may want your love. They may want your help. They may trust you. Now, get out of here you hipster, you.

How do I get a date with Sade? Just ask? Call? Send a resume? Have you, West Fargo, introduce me? I'd be into that. Hey, it could happen.

Now, I just got to go, man.

Hey Crackula,

Say hi to Ritmo for us ok?

Crackola,
You want to date a girl named Sade? Do you want to date her to fuck her? Or do you want her to love you? I always have two or three usual fuck girls, and I have two or three love girls. I've found out years ago, the only reason men are reluctant to date women is that they're not sure after asking the gal to go out, what to do with her or what he wants. First tell me what you want her for. To do that you must have 20 mintues of complete silence and emagion that she's with you and what are you doing with her. Then let me know and I'll get you were to go and what to say. Is she Mexican or American?

Finally! I get to do something.

Westfargo...

Fargo
I know of this Sade chic and she's rather fond of smooth operators.It may be a chore to get the Crackster hooked up with her since he's missing his prosthetic leg and all but i bet your up to the task.good luck.
Taxibob

Chargers,
You wrote - "For example if you get tired of playing chauffeur for the family then let them know, they were able to get around by bus just fine before you came along and still can."

Spoken like a true novio of a Mexican girl

That's exactly what I tell Mexican gals when they eventually ask me for money. Roger and I did that to a Mother and daughter in Mazatlan about 4 years ago during dinner. I went out on about 10 dates with the daughter. Under 18 38DD 5'7", GOOD SHIT! It was the first time I met the mother. She met US in the Vips Resturant. She started talking and talking. Then she quickly said, I have cansar, can I have 30,000 pesos for an operation? Roger and I just stood there with our mouths open. I had to look around and remember I'm not in TJ I'm in Mazatlan. I just asked her, what would you do if your daughter would never to have met me. She said, I well die of cansar if I don't get the money for the operation. I said, does every body in Mexico that needs an operation run to rich Americans or do they just DIE? She said, they just DIE! And took her daughter by the hand and left. Roger just started laughing and laughing. And he said, if you were just your average stupid American you probobly would have given her some money. The next day Roger and I went to Carlitos resturant were the Daughter works as a Waitrest. She said, Westfargo, I'm sorry I can't see you anymore, my mother is really upset with you. But I want to see you. I said, OK! Just don't tell your mother we're seeing each other. I ower of Carlitos is an American that got so many stories! He's been through it all. When he bought his business he had a few Mexican guys beat the shit out of him late at night and said, if you ever come back to Mexico we'll KILL YOU! Of course the police and no one else knew anything about it or helped him. That's another story. But he said, Carla, the waitresses mother has her daughter finding American men then askes them for money. Actually Carlitos fell for the scam too. He gave her $500. I said, NO WAY! Why would you do that. He said, it's a scam! I learned never trust young Mexican gals. I deceided to fuck her. I dedecated all my efforts into fucking her. And I eventually did, I fuck her raw many times. She was a virgin too. Or that's what she said, Then after about the 5th time of fucking her. She said, while I was fucking her. Westfargo, I NEED $500 for my mother. Please! She's going to die! I said, Yes! Tomorrow, I'll give you the money. I didn't meet her and I let a few days later. Two months later I was back in Mazatlan. Carlitos said Carla is devistated and realy sad I left. I met her and as GOD as my whitness. She let me fuck her that night and asked for the $500 while I was fucking her. I said, OK, tomorrow. She said, no more tricks. I said, OK! I didn't meet her the next day. Then the following day there was a knock on my Hotel door. It was the mother and two other guys, they said, I was suposed to give Carla some money to help the mother. I said, OK, OK, I was sweating bricks. These guys were there to collect. It was an intimindation tatactics. I wasn't in the mood to fight. Being 1200 miles south of the border I'm at an disadvantage. Within 30 minutes I packed my bags and moved to the other side of Mazatlan...

I spoke to Carlito that day. He said, Your so stupid! That women isn't her mother! It's just a big game and you're one luckey Hombre. That's their living. That's how they make ends meet. Westfargo, you think your so smart. You only come to Mexico part time, she and other Mexicans do this scam thing for a living, 24/7 they know every trick in the book, this is Mazatlan, everybody here lives off the turests, her way is just a little bit different. I'd go home if I were you! And pronto! I told the cops, they couldn't do anything. I just avoided her and I never heard anything from her again...

Westfargo...

My story is so freeking long it will not fit on any board.

One day I may do a downloadable book on-line.

It is over the top, Indiana Jones, Baja style
and it's still going on.

Starting soon............................

Cuidate

Mana your teasing us, lets hear the story.

Randall, I seem to recall you saying you are married to a TJ girl. Are you guys pretty happy together? It seems like there are alot of ups and downs with my novia due to misunderstandings. At the moment things are good, but last week she was feeling alot of stress over finding a new house to move to and was being pretty bitchy. I didn't call her for a week or so, and now she's been calling me 2 or 3 times a day and wants me to come stay with her for the whole weekend.

Sometimes it seems like she wants me to move in with her and other times I feel like an intruder in her life...very strange. Is this what it's like for you?

I had a chica treat me like that once. Finally she told me "I've got a lot of problems in my life. I need to be alone until I have them solved. So don't call me until I call you." As I had already determined that we were getting along poorly, I never called her. Yet she calls me at least twice a week. (I never pick up when it's her) Go figure.

Senor Pauncho

Adelito my relationship with my wife went very well from the start. Shes street smart doesn't do drugs, drink or smoke and has a huge heart.She can see through me and I can see through her.The transition from her to stop working and make her way to the USA was a little hard as she was still working. Her getting use to working a low paying factory job took a while, but she pulled though and is used to it now.

My advice to mongers with serious novias is if they drink to much or do drugs forget them, they will never change.

They have to want to play on your turf (the USA), and seperate themselfs from family and friends to a great degree.

Plus don't forget 75% of women are fucked up one to two weeks a month when their on the rag. I,m lucky it does,nt bother my wife.

Randall
You are a lucky man.I love latina women was married to one for 16 years.I do know the women at Adelitas and CC very well.My first year of being a monger 5 years ago I just about lived in TJ when I wasn't working.Most of the girls are really messed up(drugs and or alcohol)or really just crazy.I will give away a secret here but some of these chicas have been in jail for being thieves.If any monger really got to know these chicas,the true stories they would be scared stiff
(forgive the pun).They would also be amazed how many are gay and who they are.People pick on Westfargo but he most of the time really speaks the truth.Most(not all)mexicans do dislike us.They envy our lives and think we are getting it by exploiting them and other countries,maybe that is true.You found that diamond that I am looking for but we both know that diamonds are not easy to find.
I am spoiled now,doing only young beautiful girls but I am not stupid or crazy.I will keep looking and hoping to find another diamond.Like you said though once they get the monkies of drugs and alcohol on their backs it is a very hard road to get off of.The girl I am seeing now at least knows she is a alcoholic and is taking a vacation at a hospital to kick it.This in my book is a good start for her and maybe us.

Randall, I hope you don't mind a few quick questions. Did your esposa have kids, and what route did you take to get her over here (legal or illegal)? Once you married her how long did it take for her to secure a work permit? And how long before she was able to visit Mexico again and under what conditions, if any (paroled?). Since you've been married a while now I imagine she received her U.S. citizenship..how long did that take??.

Thanks,
I'm sure I'm not the only curious one here.

Toehead,my wife has one child and came into the USA with passport visas. This is the fast way, fiance visa is the next way to go but from what i hear, that could take up to a year.
To get her visas she went to the Mexican counsulte closest to her home town as it is very hard to get one in TJ.She needs to show proof she has a good job and property in her hometown and reasons to come back and not flee.The girls can buy all proof of work and property documonts from doctors, lawyers, land officals as everything is for sale in mexico. My wife does own property in her hometown so she only had to fake the job part.They need to look smart ond play the part when they apply. My wife said she wanted to vist friends in San Diego and she needed to get another permit to travel out of the county once she got to the boarder(a b-1 or b-2 $6 each).

When she got here we got married a the county clerk office $75. I got all the paperwork to file for the work permit and i-485(permant resident) from the ins link off the old redsnake board.
It was just to much and i didn't want to make mistakes and hold up the work permit or residentship so i hired a imagration consultent for $1,000 plus ins fees.
It took three month for the work permit(which is considered tempory resident and fifteen months for permant resident that allows her to go to Mexico.The child does,nt have any thing at this time because consutent fucked up and had to reapply at her expense.My wife can apply for citizenship in two years.
It takes alot of money, standing in line, time off work and bullshit dealing with the INS they make it as hard as possible.

Good Luck, Randall

Randall, you really post alot of good and useful info...thank you very much. I may need to use alot of it one day soon.

It sounds like you found yourself a great woman...good for you, it's not easy. They almost all look good, but finding one that isn't screwed up in one way or another is the trick. My chica doesn't do drugs at all, and drinks only reasonable amounts. I've known her 2 years and never seen her more than just a little buzzed. She isn't crazy either, except she does have a quick temper...and often that leads to misunderstandings and hurt feelings and arguements. There is a stereotype that latinas have hot tempers and she seems to fit this. I, on the other hand am very laid back and even tempered...not sure how these 2 will mix in the long term. But I'll tell you what...I can't wait for 3:00 to roll around because I'm TJ bound...she's taking off the whole weekend. Can't wait to see her in the dress I bought her.

Any advice and stories are gratefully accepted.

Adelito, my wife has a quick temper also.
I just sutup and don't say a word.
It take less than five minutes and she says shes sorry and forgets all about it and we bring the issue up when cooler heads prevail.

Thanks Randall, I've actually been going thru the process myself with the chica I'm "currently" married to (don't ask). It sounds as if your a little further along then we are. Your wife having a visa made things considerable easier, mine came in illegally. Fortunately due to a loophole (that ended april 30) she was able to just pay a $1000 fine without going back and applying for a visa from Mexico. We were also able to visit Mexico after just a few months by applying for a temporary Parole for her due to a "death in the family" (B.S. of course)..we've never had a problem getting faked "official" documents from Mexico. She also has a child and at the moment he has no paperwork though I've been able to use someone else's to bring him in.
She's a great gal, very devoted, nearly always in a good mood, hard worker and a super cook, however I'll never adjust to being married and the kids been a major PITA. I lost my job several months ago and she's been helping me out financially. Here I'm forty and I've got a twenty year old supporting me, guess I shouldn't be complaining. Did your wife have any kind of education? Mine was raised on a farm, when she first saw my computer she thought it was a T.V. set, I took her to Disneyland and she was afraid to go on the rides and spent most of the day running around on top of the floral displays picking strawberries. Its been interesting.

Toehead, sounds like your do,ing good since she came in illegal, mabey it will just cost a little more in penalties. My wife made it though eight grade and knew of the redsnake and JR boards when i met her, like i said shes street smart.Her child never knew his real father so I,m dad.
Also i never get envolved in physical disipline with the child as i let my wife handle that.
I feel i get alot more respect and bonding that way.

I don't physically discipline the child either, however when he gets out of line the mother more than makes up for that. She's incredibly strong and I've had to physically restrain HER from beating the crap out of the kid, whose only three. She says that's just how kids are disciplined in Mexico. Like you her child never knew his real dad who was also a gringo, in fact the mother hardly knew the real dad, unfortunately there's no such thing as child support in Mexico.