Does life have any inherent meaning? I don't believe that it does, other than the meaning you put to it yourself. (In other words, life may be a fun game to play, but once it is over, any meaning it may have had is gone with it).

Personally, I take a lot of comfort in the idea that eventually, the sun will burn out or explode, the earth will be a barren iceball, and the entire universe will eventually suffer heat death.

What are your thoughts on this topic?

Kendricks

Forty two.

What was the question?

Kendricks,
I'm a simple man, I'm not smart enough to lie, but I get paid to take really large problems and make them as simple as possible.
Although, many may not beleive this, physics was my minor in Cal. St. for 2 years. I got straight A's. Plus, I would stay with the teacher and him and I would talk for hours and ponder about the universe. Eventully I helped him set up a telescope shop next to my business. So I feel I'm as qualified as any to answer this question.

With the advent of Farmi's super colider, we have now got a sneek peak at Sub atomic particles. We also have seen the top quarks too. In fact there's four of them that have an atomic wieght greater than the electorons that bind the Bozons and Glueon's. With this information we have PROVEN there are 11 other universises that exists (with) ours. One even has a size and a mas to it. Also, we now understand why gravity is so week, it's called a flow over force. Electro Magnatisum is a residence force. That means it's properties are a natural occurance in this universe. That's why when you sit in a chair you never really "touch" the chair. If you did, you would kills everybody on plant earth. But gravity is very very weak. Thank god or within a trillinth one a second after all the matter in the universe was created it would have been destroided by it close nemasis anti matter.
Everything I've told you is Mathmatics and it's turning out that all the visable matter, dark matter, force matter, everything isn't native or 100% native to this universe. In other words, as Einsten said, the more and more tear apart the atom, the more and more we find NOTHING! There's just empty space with with cosmis laws that don't have any meaning.

I'm christan, and there's so much more I haven't told you (Look into Enisten's law "Spooky" on the internet) that'll scare you. I read this shit everyday. If any of you guys are computer buffs, the next generation of coputers use Einsten "Spooky" law. The computers are being developed now. These computers have no hard drive or memory. They split electrons and spin them around in circles and each one wabbles and has a speed a little different then the others with the wobble and speed you get the Bit number, and the FAT file. As the electon is split one half litterly disapears. Where? No one really knows. But it was tested last year in Brittan and Germany. And when the other halfs velosity changes, ie(needs information for computer) the other half some how, no one knows how, comes back. The new computer will have unlimited storage, and unlimited speed. Also, for faster then light comunication, it's the best. We've hit the start trek shit. Look up "Quantum" computer. This isn't made up shit, this is the real deal.

I beleive that everything around us is not real, it's no more then an action to a reaction in another universe. And your very CORE is like gravity. Native to another universe. And I'm convinsed that when you die you won't die. You litterly just in a manner of speaking Flote away...

So just have fun, wether you do things right or wrong, it's all a part of the game. So have fun...

Westfargo...

Ask Monty Python

Fascinating stuff WF. With your spelling being what it is I wasn't sure whether you meant quarks or quacks, bozones or bozos, spooky or spunky. Still, it was fun reading. And who is to say what the real universe is?

Made me remember the Congolese uprisings in the early 60s. There were a bunch of tribes crossing the country and murdering all the whites and members of other tribes. Prince Labumba, Stanleyville, Mad Mike the mercenary, Jim Brown the movie star, etc.

The tribes believed that their talismans would protect them against bullets. They KNEW their universe was superior to that of the European. And so they would savagely attack the foreign mercenaries sent in by Europe (read: mining companies) with predicable results. I always wondered what their last thoughts were when their universe was yanked out from beneath them?

All the ancient truths basically say the same thing, "you wanna play you gotta pay, one way or another". Or for the more hard core, " you play with fire, you get burned". Instant karma's gonna get you, it's gonna knock you on the head, better get yourself together brother, pretty soon your gonna be dead"

"cause we all shine on, like the moon and the stars and the sun" " yeah we all shine on, on and on and on and on on on on " Instant karma's gonna get you...

Karma is a load of crap. The "ancient truths" are just myths, which use concepts like karma in an attempt to control the masses. There is no justice in the universe, other than that which we make ourselves.

Kendricks,

Facinating reply. Thank you. First of all I find it incredible that you propose that what atleast one third of the world beleves is a bunch of crap. Of course I believe that professional sports are a bunch of crap but that's another story.

I was going to try to explain this to you but I think it would be a waste of time. At least at this juncture. Actually it will all be clear to you in due time. Based on your reply it will possibly take several million repeated births and deaths to begin to perceive the absolutess of the laws of nature.

I certainly beleive in karma and I can assure you it hasn't been very effective in controling me or many others to the best of my knowledge.

It does hoewever make me think more about the things that I do and hopefully someday I will be able to act less like an animal and more like a human.

First, the number of people who believe in something is not a test of its validity. A large percentage of the earth's population believes that some dude, who's initials are j.c., is some kind of god and savior. Another large percentage believes that j.c. was merely a prophet, and that some guy called mohamed is a more recent, greater prophet. Then, you have all of your people running around praying and sacrificing shit to vishnu and shiva. This isn't even taking buddhists or miscellaneous pagans into account.

The bottom line is, at least a simple majority of the world's population's beliefs are utterly full of shit. Most likely, an overwhelmingly vast majority of people's minds have been crippled with ridiculous beliefs. Why do you think that the 1/3 that believes in karma *must* be right?

What most of these belief systems have in coomon is, they attempt to control your thoughts and behavior through a combination of threats and promises of rewards. This is much like tactics used by organized crime to compel or discourage behavior, with one exception: the mobs' threats are usually real.

Kendricks

Kendricks,

Mr. Spock would say facinating I beleive. Correct me if I'm wrong but I am inclined to believe that you do not believe in God.

I can say without a shadow of a doubt that after Tanya sucked, swallowed and fucked my brains out in one incredible session I did indeed see God.
Try Tanya mabey you'll convert.

If that doesn't work try Betty from Chiapas at the CC she will definitely give you some religion. She 's a little older than I usually prefer but brother I guarantee you will see the light. Piece.

If a care-less person who terrorizes strangers for entertainment, gets killed by a drunken driver...is that "karma" ?

To me, that's a care-less person probably killed by his carelessness.

Everybody,
I think a lot of us don't understand what karma is. Usually bad Karma is associated with a lie. And lies are best perpetrated by very smart individuals. If your not smart enought to substantate your lie, your going to get caught or the Dominos will fall in the wrong direction. ie(bad Karma) As it goes for Karma. I don't beleive any thing is driven by a devine force. I think it's nothing more then the rule of averages governmed by Mathmatics with both Hemispheres of your brain trying to cancle out our primitive, Abdula Ablungoda. ie(that's were you get super natural/super stition stuff)
I think evilution is rapadly changing our brains, allowing our to look at the universe in a CLEAR light, free of superstitions that evolved with us for over 3 million years, and 3 billion before that. Our DNA/RNA has nearly every animal alive and extinct in it, and I'm sure the DNA of a Monkey has helped form parts of our brains. I just look at all you mongers in the zona and I know with out a shadow of a doubt we decended from a really stupid kind of spider monkey...

Westfargo...

Eunucch,

A care-less person who "terrorizes" strangers might be terrorized as a action reaction consequence. This is the law of karma. For that person to be killed should not be considered a fair and equitable punishment.

To kill some one for this action would be considered cruel and unusual punishment.

Your standard of justice is quite popular in China though where common criminals are executed and subsequently have their organs harvested for sale on the international market. Does that float your boat?

"What most of these belief systems have in coomon is, they attempt to control your thoughts and
behavior through a combination of threats and promises of rewards. This is much like tactics used by organized crime to compel or discourage behavior, with one exception: the mobs' threats are usually real."

I have to admit, K, I do not like your attitude. However, you are dead on right about the mind control thing. I have some mormon relatives and non-mormom relatives who are like hare krishnas to visit with. I don't want to talk to them. It is not normal human conversation. Of course I think "blow me for $10" is normal conversation. But it is commerce.

"What most of these belief systems have in coomon is, they attempt to control your thoughts and behavior through a combination of threats and promises of rewards."

I love history. It's the part of me that sees the glass half empty. Life has almost always been about dealing with the two types of humans. Those that just want to be left alone and those who just want to hurt other people (for their own good--example Hillery the Bitch Clinton).

Include all the fucking lawyers, politicans, military, teachers, religious fundamentalists, and uptight message board moderators (not TJH though!!!) in the second category. Social loners, survivalists, mongers, and schizoids in the first.

Someday the alien fathers will return to collect the seed they once strewed across the cosmos and we will be reunited with the eternal light.

Innocent, I have had a number of god hallucinations, both drug and chica induced. I have even had out of body hallucinations, while fucked up on PCP and shrooms. This does not mean that I beleive that either gods or out of body experiences truly exist, outside of our own delusions.

El Cabrio, as you pointed out, meaningful conversation cannot take place between a freethinker and someone who has bought into a pre-packaged belief system, as they are coming from such radically different places. The religious person is repeating what he has been told to believe, while the freethinker is actually using his mind to attempt to understand what is happening around him.

What is it you don't like about my attitude? Unlike the charlatans, I am not seeking followers, or to control the minds of others. I am simply interested in understanding the truth, whatever it may be. The only person who should feel threatened by me is the person who is seeking to keep a tight grip on the minds of others, or the person who is desperately seeking to maintain his own delusions. You do not strike me as a person who falls into either of these categories. So what is it about my attitidue that bothers you?

Westfargo, I would agree that cause and effect can sometims produce results that appear to be karmic. However, these results can be transcended by intelligence, chance, or planning. It is simply our minds that produce the illusion of karmic effect.

"....while the freethinker is actually using his mind to attempt to understand what is happening around him."

True, but in the end even the freethinker is a captive of his upbringing and the particular reality he has lived within.

Who is ultimately happier: the person who questions nothing and leads a live based on rote behavior or the person who questions everything and is frustrated by the answers he finds?

Or: is the orgasm of a frog any better or worse than that of a man?

"who is ultimately happier: the person who questions nothing and leads a life based on rote behavior or a person who questions everything and is frustrated by the answers he finds?"

Why only two options? How about the man who questions everything and comes up with answers?
There is no free thinker, but only one who is eager to untangle his mental webbings.

Tight Fit:

Part of the excitement of foreign travel and new experience is the opportunity to escape the particular reality I have lived within.

In general, our society brings us up to be obedient, and to be slaves to the system, who are tossed an occasional bone when we are good servants, and are punished when we are not. We are taught that being good productive little consumers will make us satisfied, when in my experience, this is not true.

Although I still need to exist within the system to a point, I am not dependent upon the respect, admiration, or approval of the numb-haded simpletons which constitute the vast majority of our so-called civilization. I do not seek satisfaction from gaining approval from the masses or the aquisition of unnecessary consumer goods. This also leaves me free to act outside the bounds of "acceptable" behavior, when I believe that doing so is in my best interests.

So, I think that the freethinking life, while peppered with painful realizations and anguish, is still much better than living the programmed, scripted life of a mr. magoo citizen-drone.

Kendricks

Mr. Innocent,

You said:

"A care-less person who 'terrorizes' strangers might be terrorized as a action reaction consequence. This is the law of karma."

No. This is you.

You do bear a striking resemblance to a whole slew of missing-in-action blood brothers. That is OK though. We still love ya....float on....

Eunuch

Oh, and Innocent, I admit that "advise" post under another thread was good.

Oh, and Innocent, do you "know" Kendricks ? God, I'm delusional. I'm sorry. Out.

over and out