El Cabrio busted by U.S. Customs

OK, here is the story: I was in San Diego on business on Thursday. I had Friday off and had to work Saturday and Sunday and then was off Monday again. I stayed Thursday night at the Travelodge in San Ysidro for $34 with tax. One of the big advantages to staying on the U.S. side is that when I am on business I can store my laptop and other company property in a secure location.

I went through the first turnstile and turned right to go to the second turnstile. (If you go straight there is a second turnstile at the main taxi depot - mostly yellow cabs). Through the second turnstile (on the right) and crossed the street. There is a cluster of pharmacies here along with a row of mostly green and white taxis (these guys usually accept $4.00 at the first offer, especially during the week). There are three pharmacies in a row at this location. They all wanted $15 for the 100mg dosage, $11 for the 50mg (I didn’t ask about the 25mg). This was an increase over last time ($11 for the 100mg). I must point out that there are three dosages: 25mg, 50mg, and 100mg. See your doctor or start with the 25mg. I am not a doctor and my personal opinions are just that: PERSONAL OPINIONS. I walked further to the next pharmacy West (in the pedestrian walkway area) to price shop, because I thought they were trying to rip me. The fourth pharmacy said $9.60 per 100 mg tab and produced a box with Pfizer's logos. They come in sealed one packs: a small blue and white cardboard box with a Pfizer hologram and a one unit blister pack with serial numbered foil backing. I bought six for ~$55 U.S. BTW, to my surprise, I have generally repeatedly found the immediate border area pharmacies to be cheaper than the Revolution pharmacies for all prescription medications.

I promptly took one and got on with the festivities (watch for a separate post about my fun with Angela and Alejandra from Adelita's). After returning from my trysts I met someone who had read my last post and wanted to split cab fare back to the border. Deal. $2.00 each and a willing cabbie and we were mobile. I let the other guy go through immigration first and told him to keep moving as I might have trouble. I stated my "United States citizen" line and they asked what I was bringing back in my pack (only the second time in over 50 visits that they even asked). I volunteered that I had 5 Viagra tabs. They immediately referred me to the Customs counter. OK, it is not heroin or cocaine, so I just figured I would blurt out honest answers.

[Customs] "What are you bringing back?"
[Me} "5 100mg tabs of Viagra."
[Customs] "Where is your prescription?"
[Me} "I don't have one."
A search of my pack commenced and they asked for my id.
[Customs] "What were you doing in Mexico?"
[Me] "F___ing whores." (not wise, but honest)
[Customs] "You have obviously been drinking."
[Me} "Yes." (I apologized for my language, they accepted my apology)
[Customs} "Do you plan on driving anywhere?"
[Me] "No. I left my car keys at the Travelodge and plan to sleep and then take a long hot shower tomorrow morning."

I handed them the Viagra. They asked how much I paid for the Viagra. I told them. They went through my pack examining the contents carefully, asking what is this? what is that?

"That would be a damp towel, I like to shower after sex. . . Spanish/English dictionary . . . Oh, those are flavored condoms for blow jobs, I gave Angela all my chocolate ones. She's my favorite . Alejandra liked those too . . . A roll of toilet paper . . . my note pad . . . That's an electric clipper in the blue plastic bag . . . camera . . . spermacidal lubricant . . Oh, those are regular condoms for . . ."

"SHUT UP!" they told me.

The agent in charge stepped into an office for a minute or two and then came back. I got a lecture about how I should have a prescription. We talked openly about the legality of bringing prescription medications back to the U.S. I told them that the Mexican doctors would give me a prescription for anything I wanted for $25. They said they knew that, but it is not their concern, they are not MD's. Their official line is that it is better to have a prescription (U.S. or Mexican), but apparently, not absolutely required. They acknowledged that I had answered their questions honestly, and I did not have a huge quantity (unlike the Japs who did get arrested for Viagra smuggling). They let me go, WITH my Viagra.

My experiences with Viagra are that it can help you maintain an erection for a very long time. It does not guarantee that you can climax, though. I still need to rest at least 1 ½ to 2 hours before going again and being able to come. I am 37 and in reasonable health. YMMV. Don't try this at home. There are legitimate precautions if you have certain heart conditions. I did Internet research before trying it at successively increased dosages. Your best play is to see your doctor. (But I had FUN this trip!)

I will have to seriously consider obtaining a prescription next time, or only purchase for immediate consumption.
This amusing story happened in 1998. I reposted it because people tell me it is the funniest thing I have written, and it is full of good practical detail.

Here is the current link to Pfizer’s pharmacology information. Be sure to read both the "For the Consumer" and "For Healthcare Professionals" before evaluating your own risk if you want to try this without a real prescription from your doctor.

http://www.viagra.com

I eventually got a prescription. My first Kaiser doctor didn’t want to prescribe it. I changed to a chic doctor. When I ask her for it saying "this is a problem for me" she giggled and touched myy arm and said "it won’t be a problem."

It is legal to bring back many prescription medications, even without a prescription. I will post the US Customs source soon.

Mexican law is unclear, you can openly buy it anywhere but you are apparently not supposed to have it. I have not heard of anyone being hasseled for it. I recommend taht you only buy for immediate consumption or bite it in half and keep the other half handy.

Pill cutter post to follow soon.

EC

Great Post, EC! I remember reading this the first time you posted it. Lots of good info here.

I'll again relate an incident I had around that same time.

I took that same path to the farmacias, and finally got to the last one before the corner where the busses all wait. The gal behind the counter quoted me $12 for 100mg, but I wasn't in the mood to hassle with it. I asked for two. (for me that's eight trips worth) La chica goes back in to the back room and comes out with two Pfizer boxes and sets them on the counter as she rings me up. Just to be sure, I picked up one of the boxes and opened the end to peer inside. What do I see, but four 100mg pills! I calmly closed the box up, as la chica asked me if it was okay. I paid her and told her it was fine.

As I left and walked back towards the taxi stand, I popped opne the other box. Sure enough, four more pills. Now, I'm thinking, 'gee, this is cool more 'V' than I'll use in the next couple of years, but $hi+ I've got to cross back to the US with this stuff." And, at the time, I didn't know the legality of having that much on me without a script.

At the time, I only wore a fanny pack, so when I came back, the Agent asked citizenship and let me pass. Guess he didn't see me sweating.

BTW, I just used the last dosage from that pack a couple of months ago. I only use it when I'm on a long term, multi chica hunt. So, I kept each pill in the blister pack until I needed to split up the pill, and I wrapped the three remaining pieces in plastic wrap, only taking two pieces with me on any trip. (I do NOT need some TJ cop finding four wrapped pieces on me, so he can charge me with trafficing)

Anyway, that's my story.


StrikeEagle

Here are some scans for orientation:

The Box (flattened and opened showing the hologram, labels, and full price.



The goodies inside(one per box, front and back shown).



EC

These also come with 4 pills per 'bubble card', in a slightly larger box. Everything else is the same.


StrikeEagle

I went to the border to get one pill of viagra before meeting my amiga at 11 pm on a Friday night. There was only one pharmacy open at the border named Pharmacia Premiere. The clerk, who seems to speak English fairly well told me it would cost 18 bucks for a 100 mg pill. Seeing that this was the only pharmacy that I can see that was still open at the border I decided to buy one pill although I know I could get them for like 10 bucks at other places. Well anyways, he places the pill under a tissue paper and I pay for it. I walked out the store and about 1 block away I open the tissue to see the pill. Instead that bastard put a peanut in the tissue paper. I am so fucking stupid as not to check before leaving the store. I returned to the store and bitch at him and he tells me that I must have lost or dropped it. I said no way motherfucker but we argued and this bastard wasn't going to budge or refund me and I really didn't want to start a commotion and get anybody else involved. I said fuck it and I left. So if anybody here is going to buy viagra don't go to this fucking ripoff pharmacy. The dude is like 180 lbs, 5 ft.7 in, and I think he has a goatee. He was rude before and after the purchase and has a big attitude. I should have been more vigilant about these ripoff plans but I have never had trouble at a pharmacy store before. DAMN.

Wow wotta story....but you didn't finish. Did you try the peanut? Did it work?

Well I wanted to stuff that peanut up his ass if this occurred in the U.S. I just don't want to deal with any commotion in Mexico because it is better to stay low. Kinda in a foul mood because I got ripped off and my amiga didn't show up.

Damn, you should hook up with 1 or 2 friends and teach that guy a lesson. Nice and quick, in and out. That guy flat punked you.

-Superman-

Hey Crazyazn,

Did he at least carve Pfizer on the peanut?

Superman,

Nah, I think we all oughta go to that farmacia and ask how much for a peanut!

I'm on a roll! This is what we do, we all get a peanut and have that guy that carves your name on a grain of rice carve "Pfizer" on it. Then we all go to that farmacia at the same time and demand a refund! We can even complain to the cops, get about 50 bucks between us all to have the cop beat the shit out of the guy!

Do they have class action suits in Baja?

Red - Man, you are on a roll!! I think this peanut refund thing might work... (prog)

Crazyazman,
You've got to get the cops involved, I know it's just $18, but think of the next guy. Roger and I can complain for you. Will be there Friday afternoon. Where's the Pharmacy? Beleive me, he's ripping off stupid Americans. But I know how macho they are. He's so proud of himself. He's just laughing and laughing. I complain about everything, the cops NEVER help me. NEVER! However, it shows the cops and the Mexicans they can't fool all of us all the time...

Westfargo...

El_Cabrio,
Your lucky as hell! I don't have to tell you the Border Patrol has the authority to do practly anything to you. Like druken in public. That's why those guys in the yellows suites are there. Your lucky you are polite and they were Americans. I don't even take Vitamins down there. I'm not kidding. I think of everything! The places that I go I even think about how I'm going to have to make a fast exit. It's litterly saved my life a number of times.

Good story I loved it. What's with the backpack?

Westfargo...

Crazyazn,

For $18, I'll sell you a WHOLE JAR, and you can choose between plain and honey roasted.


On the other hand, I guess you've proved that mongers don't like nuts!

Like I said before I am fucking paranoid about any kinds of drugs either prescription or illegal. I even hold the pill in my hands all the time just in case I need to throw it out if I were to get questioned by any cop. This is because I usually go to TJ alone for the past year and no one is going to bail me out in times of trouble. Knowing that I didn't have the prescription for viagra, calling the cops mean more trouble if I get a nasty/corrupt cop in terms of illegally obtaining viagra. That pharmacy is almost next to the Mexican bus station at the border called Pharmacia Premiere.

Last time I checked Viagra wasn't a controlled substance anywhere in the world. You are not going to be buried under the jail because a TJ donut eater catches you with ONE. He'd probably be a lot more curious as to how well it works, actually.

If potential yapping from the chorizo bugs you that much, however, many farmacias near the border have a doctor on premise, who for 30 bucks will write you a presciption for anything you want. This is an added expense, but with many drugs that aren't 'supposed to be sold' sans prescription (including stuff that WILL get you in trouble if found on your person) the price at the farmacia will be less, especially if you buy a whole box.

These prescriptions will offer you very little protection from confiscation by the US donut eaters at the border, however. Were I the 'live dangerously' type, I'd advise that you may wanna put it in a pocket and not say anything about it. Of course the viagra sniffing dogs might catch wind of it and next thing you know you're being strip searched... I HATE IT when that happens!

Crazyazyn,

I always look to give a person the benefit of the doubt, so is it possible that the pharmacist made an honest mistake with you? It could have happened like this:

Crazyazyn (entering the pharmacy and possibly embarrassed about asking for Viagara, just like Woody Allen in one of his movies when he tried to buy a Men's magazine without stating the name of it): Hola! Can you help me? I want to make sure I get a nut tonight!

Pharmacist (seeking only to please as he wraps up the nut): No Problema!

Seriously though, I'm sorry you had a bad experience.

A Nutty kind of guy,

Out-of-Towner

Crazyazyn

Getting drunk down there is a lot more dangerous than running around with a blue pill in your pocket. I cross the border at least twice a week both ways, walking and driving, I always have a Viagra with me, mostly coming back I have a half a Viagra with me, not once have I even been asked for ID,coming up on 70 trips in the last 8 months. Holding it in your hand is unnessary, wrap it in a kleenex and stuff it in your pocket. No prescription necessary. Just don't stumble around drunk by yourself, then you become a target for Ratero's and cops.

Westfargo,

The backpack, a very small one (day pack), serves the same purpose as a suitcase. I travel from Los Angeles and carry every thing I need in a small pack. EVEN a little flashlight! Usually I drop it in my hotel as soon as I check in; but, it is small enough to put on a booth seat next to me and no one notices. It includes condoms, camera, notebook, towel, toothbrush, Viagra, vitamins and a change of clothes.

What is "druken in public"? And what hotel has the "yellows suites"? Did they remodel the Hotel Levya or something?

EC

Whenever I've purchased Viagra in the TJ farmacias - always just one or two pills, they have come wrapped in sealed packaging - way too much packaging for 1-2 pills. So if a pharmacist gives you an unwrapped pill, figure that something smells.

When I buy Viagra in TJ, I always remove the single pill from the little box while still in the farmacia, and down it.

That way, if the policia are waiting outside, the evidence is gone.

I've bought it in individual packages or unwrapped straight out of a bottle. It has always been the same. I've never noticed any difference in effect or strength. You get a better deal if they take it out of a bottle. The bottles have the same Pfizer labelling as the individual packages. But ALWAYS look at the pill itself while standing at the counter to verify it's a blue pill with "Pfizer" on 1 side and "100m"(or something close) on the other side.

What if you get one that says "planters" on it?

Red... Not again man. I can see you laughing as you wrote your last post...

I've found a farmacia about two blocks south of La Zona that's asking 160 pesos per pill (without receipt). Is this a decent price - considering how close this farmacia is to La Zona? ... (prog)

That's about what everyone else charges these day, $17 or $18 a pop.

BTW, speaking of price, you guys should get a quote from Farmacias Nacional on south side of Calle 2 (across the street from the "diagonal") between Revolucion & Constitucion. I've never asked about viagra there because I'm otherwise supplied, but this is where I go to get my other prescriptions that I don't have coverage for in the U.S. Prices here have been the lowest I've encountered, sometimes 40-50% cheaper than the farmacias I've shopped nearer the zona (e.g. Yolanda). It's part of a huge chain and looks like it will be a close to the tourist district rip-off, but I've been pleasantly surprised.

Continental Pharmacia at Revolucion and Articulo 123 (Southeast corner) sells the Pfizer footballs out of the bottle for $12...same pill as the individually-wrapped ones-- which sell for $14.50...

YoungBrig

First time,

Hey guys planning on using vitamin V for the first time and have some questions

1) Since this is my first time should i go with a 25mg or 50mg dose?

2) I am a body builder and take LOTS of health supplements...all legal..no steroids. I take L-arginine (amino acid, increases nitroc acid levels), has anyone heard of unwanted side effects from "V" when using body building products?

3) Is it ok to drink cerveza while taking "V"?
Or will this counter the viagra?

4) Will the pill after cutting it lose it's potency if stored over night?

5) Are pharmacies open 24hrs....if so which ones and where are they located.

6) How long does this suff work 3 or 4 hours?

7) What side effects are most common? headache, heartbun, nausesa, vision imparment, dizzyness, fast heart rate?????

8) Do they look for the stuff when you cross the border? If caught at the border with a couple V pills what is the penalty?

9) Is it ok to get a perscription over the border? another recent post metions this, but is it a perscription that will work in the USA??

All your input in most appreciated and i cant wait to try this stuff!

Thanks again, SB

Man
You got too many questions but here is my experience.
Go for 25 mg for first time as heart raced my first time out and wood meant wood.
Pill will be fine cut in pieces.
Effect can last up to 8 hours but max strength after about 2 hours.
Common side effect includes small headache.
Right now border is very safe as they are looking for weapons not pills.

1. Depends on your size and weight. I am heavy, and 25mg did nothing for me. 50 seems about right.

2. Not sure, probably depends on exactly what all you take. You may want to check with the Pfizer site for drug interactions.

3. It seems to diminish the effect. Fatty foods do as well.

4. IMHO, the answer is yes, but I know many people who don't notice a difference. I always buy the 50mg now, so I don't cut them anymore.

5. Many are. I usually stop near the border on my way into TJ. The place I go closes at about 10PM.

6. I "feel" the pill within half an hour, but don't really realize any benefit from it for closer to 2 hours. I notice a residual effect the next morning - as many as 9-10 hours later.

7. I get a headache, so I usually take some Tylenol an hour before the Vitamin V.

8. Sometimes they do, sometimes not. Never actually been "caught".

9. The prescription works in Mexico only, not in the U.S.

As Curious and Athos have answered your direct questions at least as well as I can, I will only add a few comments. Btw, after using the stuff for about a year, I haven't used it for over a year. Haven't had many situations where I felt that I needed it. I have tended away from the multiple fuck fest and more toward the extended time with one girl.

IMNSHO Viagara affects different people differently, and there are occasional reports of people who have adverse affects from it (manic reactions, bad headaches, and prolonged dizziness). I would start with a 25 mg dose and then kick that up to 50 mg. if necessary. I am talking about recreational usage here.

Viagra will not make you come more or raise your libidinal impulses. It will make you harder, perservere a little better, and repeat more easily if you have been at it for a few days. It raises confidence with regard to performance. Personally, I feel that your average guy under 40 has no need for it.

It affects me quickly, within 15 minutes. The affects can linger for up to 8 hours. I don't drink, follow a low fat diet, and am a little thin, although Redongdo is my dad. I take 2 iubuprofins with a little less than 50 mg. of V and I have no side affects. If I skip the iubuprofin or take more that 50 mg. I get a headache, flush a little, and feel a little manic.

When you take it, don't look directly at a chain link fence. Seriously, if you don't have specific situations that fit the above list, and you are under 40, don't mess with the stuff.

Hey everyone...I am planning to try Viagra for the first time, maybe as soon as tomorrow. I just re-read the above posts (but not the archives). I will take half of a 50mg dose preceeded by some tylenol (per the above advice). I seem to remember someone posting about taking an antacid as well. Do any of you recommend this?

I live in San Diego so I will take the Viagra just before leaving for the border. I will probably visit Azteca first and see if I respond with more than usual wood during the massage. Depending on how I feel at that point, I may or may not head for AB.

I'll report the results after my next trip. In the meantime, does anyone have any other words of advice? BTW my 'problem' is that sometimes during the foreplay my orgasm response gets ahead of the erection response. Quite often I can't enjoy the BJ because the attention of the chica causes me to approach a climax before I am fully erect. So I want to try the vitamin V to help with a more dependable, predictable, timely erection. Any comments are appreciated...Bosco

REPRINT FROM ANOTHER THREAD - 5/26/01

Results of my first-time Viagra experience.

I usually stay in TJ for a week and try to do two chicas a night about four hours apart. Soon after passing age 40, I began having a bit of a tougher time with the second nightly session near the end of the week. So on the final night of this trip I decided to make my virgin Vitamin V voyage and here's what happened.

I had bought one 100mg pill for $13 at Drugs 4 Less without incident or mishap the previous night (and thereafter cut it into four 25mg segments back at my hotel room). The Drugs 4 Less sign can be seen immediately straight ahead as soon as you go through the turnstiles facing West (the ones nearest the Caliente betting parlor; not the turnstiles facing South where all the yellow taxis wait). The taxis are about $1 cheaper in this area.

I had my first AB hotel session that night without Viagra, and as usual it was an enjoyable and successful one. Thereafter, I relaxed in the post-session euphoria, and sipped on one bottle of Penafiel agua mineral. I hadn't eaten anything in about five hours, so my stomach was substantially empty.

About two and a half hours later, I unwrapped one of the 25mg segments, placed it in my mouth, took a deep breath, and ceremoniously swallowed it as a drumroll was heard in my head. Then I waited, not knowing what to expect.

It was a weird feeling of anticipation. My thoughts ranged from wondering if 25mg was enough to make any difference to thinking about the possibility that a sudden unexpected and uncontrollable strong erection would rip through my pants and trip one of the passing waiters, or poke out an eye of an innocent bystander.

About 30 minutes later, I became aware of a very vague awakening sensation in my shaft. Although it was not enough to account for any wood, I got the distinct and undoubtable feeling that any sort of stimuli would set the erection wheels immediately in motion. Without the Vitamin V, I know myself well enough to vouch that my shaft would have still been asleep and in need of a specific loud wake-up call to get things going.

I then selected a chica (her name is not important) and we went to the hotel and undressed. There wasn't any wood yet and I momentarily had some doubt about the V; but as soon as we began hugging each other and making mutual contact below the belt, the erection was there almost immediately. I practically laughed out loud; this was too easy. The bit of pressure that can accompany a sexual performance was now nonexistent.

During the first half of the festivities (the BJ), all went well. It lasted ten minutes, and I felt like I could go on forever. But when the "friction" stopped during the position switch to missionary, I started to lose much of the erection. I gasped. Who had smuggled in the kryptonite when I wasn't looking? In the past, such a deflation would have been lethal during a second session. But a couple of panic-strickened hand strokes seemed to reestablish the blood flow in the right direction and amazingly I was ready to go again. It was as if the V had somehow kicked in again.

There were two other advantages to the V. First, it seemed to prolong my pleasure by increasing the amount of time until I could climax. I was erect and active for almost the whole half hour, and there was a point during the fifteen minutes of non-stop intercourse when I began to wonder if I would climax at all even though it felt great and I was having such a good time.

The second advantage was that my erection was rock hard, a bit harder than the first erection of the evening. I'd say about 5% harder. During intercourse, I felt like I was penetrating a bit deeper than I had penetrated any woman in the past five years. I guess I hadn't realized that age had taken a bit of a gradual toll, so gradual that I had never really noticed the cumulative effect until now. I was euphoric and depressed at the same time.

After that very sexually and psychologically successful session, I began thinking about the headache complaints that I have read about, and I wondered if I would experience such a reaction. I ate two cart-burgers and drank a coke as I waited for the price to pay for my artificially enhanced sexual prowess. Whether it was the burgers drawing blood away from my head to my stomach, or whether it was my specific metabolism, I never experienced any headaches or any other negative side effect, other than needlessly worrying about transporting the remaining 75mg over the border and getting caught by the Viagra-sniffing dogs.

There was another difference too. Back at my hotel (six hours after taking the V), my shaft's flaccid state was significantly bigger than usual. As I washed it while taking a shower, I could feel some sexual arousal. That would have never happened before after two previous sexual sessions, so there must have still been a residual V effect of some kind. Out of curiosity and experimentation, I proceeded to whack off, and although it took a while, the erection was rock hard and a climax resulted. I couldn't believe it. Again, I can say for sure that the third climax would not have occurred without the V.

Also, I woke up the next morning with a rock hard erection, although this does happen to me about every third morning if I'm sexually inactive and almost every morning after being sexually active the night before.

One other note. For the next few nights, my erections matched the level of the V night. It was as if that extra 5% had been reawakened for a little while. I did however return to "normal" status within a week.

So where does this leave me? I don't think I would want to begin taking V for the first session of an evening, but it's going to be very difficult not taking it for session number two from now on. Oh my God, am I an addict now?

I hope that this information helps someone.

ADDED NOTE 10/21/01: a couple months later (back home), I took one of the remaining 25mg V pieces but there was very minimal enhancement. Apparently a cutup V loses its potency after a period of time, or maybe V only works when you're in the country in which you bought it - .

A Monger whose use of V engorged and forged a new path kind of guy,

Out-of-Towner

I use Viagra on a regular basis. I take other medication that lessens the ability for a full hard erection. The Viagra enhances my ability to perform. The only other thing I can add was a warning from my doctor. The comsuption of liquor will in some cases cause a person to faint or blackout. Viagra causes your blood pressure to lower and the added effects of the liquor as a depressent could cause fainting spells. I have yet to experience this, so now all I drink is soft drinks when I'm planning on an evening of action. I hope this helps, take it easy and don't forget to take your vitamins!!!!

SB, I will add my experience with the V. I too workout frequently with lots of supplements,including
ephedrine. The first time I took 25mg(50mg-split) of V it really made my heart race. It gave me a hard-on for the entire night along with a bad headache. It also made me a little nausea. Definitely take some Tylenol because the headache can be intense.
I would not buy 100mg, thinking you could split it and use later. I personally would buy 25mg if I could find it, because the other half of the 50mg usually just gets tossed. Though others would probably disagree, an unused cut pill always lost its potency.
I have also noticed that taking it over time, the headaches have subsided but also the effect too.

Pollo,

As I have written before, it is strongly suggested that if you cut a pill in half, you should wrap the remaining pill in plastic wrap to prevent the medication from oxidizing. It is known that Viagra will oxidize if exposed to air. (Thus the blue coating) Ever notice how the blue coating on the tablet is almost a skin? (This is quite evident when the pill is split)

My personal suggestion is to wrap the pill and then place the wrapped pill in a zip lock baggie. Before zipping up the bag, squeeze out as much of the air as possible. This does two things. First, it limits the amount of air that can even get to the wrapped pill, and second, it makes it easy to roll up the bag for carrying.

I've had split tabs stored for up to several weeks in this fashion, and I've not noticed any reduction in effectiveness. Prior to wrapping my split tabs, as you stated in your post, the medication seemed to loose potency in just a week or two.


StrikeEagle

May I make a humble suggestion? I don't know if this is quite necessary, but I'd like to err on the side of caution. I have not taken vitamin "V" yet, but when I do, I fully intend to consume it and test it while I'm in the States first. In case there are any serious adverse reactions, I would much prefer to go to a U.S. hospital vs. a Mexican one. Again, I say this because the drug affects different people in different ways. Just MHO.

KnickHer

I have to agree with StrikeEagle re: cutting the pills. I'm sure there is some demonstrated reduction of potency, but I've used cut portions 2-4 weeks after they were cut and they worked fine. Pollo, purchase the 100mgs which are exactly the same price as 50mgs now (in the U.S. anyway), and toss your unused portions my way. I don't think 25mgs is available now - if it is, it will be difficult to find.

Bosco, I think it is starting to set in that the side effects of V are extremely random and sporadic. I've been taking the stuff regularly for a few years and rarely ever get a headache from it, and never indigestion. The only regular side effect I experience is flushing...a Viagra "tan". I don't know why you'd have to take a pain killer and antacid up front of having any actual problems. If you develop either side effect, you can administer medicine at that time and get quick relief. Btw, I think that 25mgs will give you exactly what you're looking for with regard to the Azteca experience.

Re V and cerveza: Until recently when I took V, it was almost always accompanied by a moderate to heavy injection of booze. Not only did it work fine, but I would have had NO CHANCE without it. I haven't had any alcohol for the last 3 months and don't notice any difference in the effectiveness of V...i.e. it is not working any better now that I haven't been drinking.

Muchas gracious mi amigos for all this valuable information. My first and second sessions in the zona are usualy an iron-wood experience, but since I only get down there a few times a year I like to whoop it up as much as possible 3 or 4 chicas a night.

Back to V...I will take Pollo's advice and layoff the "Ripped fuel" ephendrine as the last thing i want are heart palputations. Ottie thanks again for your first experience post...I hope my is similar to your yours. I will take tylenol before downing my first 25mgs. Knickher you make alot of sense for wanting to try it while still in the USA. maybe this week i will goto my doctor and try and get a sample.
- Curious, thanks for answering my call for info.
- Athos, Gitano, Sundance, Strike eagle, muchas gracious.
Ottie, yes I used to post on Redsnake, right before it shut down, and I have not posted for a while here as I've been retired for a while, but am now making my Jordan style comback (lol), i hope :-)
Well all you guys take care and have a great week!
Maybe I'll bump into some of you next month while I'm down there.

Salsa Boy

I've been buying the 100 mg. tabs and splitting them into quarters for about 3 years. I wrap the splits tightly in aluminum foil and have used some of them 2-3 months after the split, with no apparent loss of potency.

I do think that I now have developed a dependency. It's probably all in my head - nevertheless, I don't always have the confidence that I can function without my little blue pill.

Salsa guy,
I've tried every supplement imaginable, including creatine and ephedrine. Never had a problem with the effectiveness of the V while on them. I usually cut the 100mg and use about 25mg-50mg. 25 for the GF, 50 for the chicas. Although some have posted that the splitting the pills loses its potency but I don't really think so. They still work great for me. At the 50mg dose I start to feel some of the side effects but nothing as serious as some of the posters are experiencing. I never experienced a headache, but I do get a little nauseous for about an hour along with the flushing during the 50mg dose but overall nothing I'd worry about. I've also taken it while drinking heavily and it works like a charm. Like Erip posted earlier, I wouldn't have had a chance without it. Hope this helps.

Bosco
As for the heartburn thats a very common side effect. According to my doc (yup I get it legally prescribed here in the US and pay $8 for 6 pills every month)the V causes the esophogeal muscles to relax and the result is acid reflux. Not a pretty thing after having eaten tacos off the cart! Best preventive action Ive found is 600 mg of Tagamet about an hour before Vitamin V. You can also get the MX equivalent of Cimetidine.
Ive also heard that it makes the V last longer but havent really noticed that effect personally.
Hope this answers your question.

LTZ

There was a long and detailed series of posts about the affect of Tagamet (cimetidine) on Viagra use. BillyPV did a fair amount of digging on this subject.

Both drugs are filtered by the same part of the liver. As such, taking them together will tend to keep the Viagra concentration at a higher level for a longer period of time.

Search the archives, and you can read about the details.


StrikeEagle

I tried Viagra for the first time on Sunday afternoon. I took 25 mg. at 4:00pm just before leaving home. I hadn't eaten since 12:30pm, (a relatively light meal). I had planned to take a pre-emptive tylenol, and an antacid to thwart possible side-effects. But I decided to wait and see what transpired. I brought along a tylenol and some tums and headed south.

On the drive down, my nasal passages felt slightly stuffy. I parked, walked into town and went straight to Azteca. I was on the table by 5:45. At this point in my life (48 years old, reasonably healthy) I get no wood during a massage unless I'm getting some incidental brushing of my package. Part of the reason for this is that I have been to Azteca so many times, and know all the chicas so well that the thrill of being (almost) naked in a room with a young chica is long gone. And in the recent past, once the masajista moves on to another area away from my crotch whatever erection I have achieved immediately fades.

However...today I found that although I didn't get hard any sooner in the massage, I was able to maintain and build on the increasing stiffness, getting harder and harder to a full erection. There was minimal fading between erogenous zones. This was definitely encouraging. I headed over to AB for phase two of the test.

Well, I was looking for one of a few favorites. I wanted to compare a session with a known quantity so I could accurately gauge the effects of the V. None of them was there, and nobody else appealed to me so I went home. And for scientific purposes I decided it was my duty to jerk off. I did so at 10:00pm, six hours after ingestion. As at Azteca, my erection did not grow faster than usual, but it did get increasingly hard and stayed that way, still no fading.

I never had any headache or indigestion, and I never took the tylenol or the tums. I did feel a couple of very mild twinges in my stomach. This may have been the effect mentioned by LovestheZona regarding relaxation of the esophageal muscles. Anyway, it was very mild and I wouldn't have given it a second thought if I were not being hyper-sensitive to any side-effects of my 'experiment'.

So now I have one half of a 50mg pill in a sealed zippered sandwich bag. After I use that I may try a full 50mg at some point to see what happens. I wish the border crossing weren't such a colossal hassle right now so I could continue my research more conveniently...Bosco

My problem is condoms: when the rubber comes out the wood disappears. Vitamin V helps that, and has other merits (I'm 49).
As for cimetidine, check out:
http://www.globalchange.com/cimetidine.htm

My first "V" experience I used a 50 mg tab. I did get the sinus congestion and a slight headache. Since then, I've found just about as good results with 25 mg, but without the side effects.

Blue 52, blue 52, HIKE!!!!! I'm going for it...hahaha....what the hell..right?
Thanks for all the info fellow chica lovers. I'm going to buy a 100mg smash it....try to gauge about 25mgs down it with gatorade and hit AB y CC...and then top it off with a cute SG ;-)
Wv3056 thnaks for the supplement info, I tkae creatine every day, and a thermogenic, so it's good to hear you felt no bad side effects from it.
After my visit next month I will post about my experience using this stuff.
thanks again, SB

Go to Longs, Riteaid or any other chain pharmacy and buy a pill splitter for about $3. Much more efficient than just smashing it.

I'm taking CREATINE ELIXIR (Creatine Monohidrate) to improve my workouts at the Gym and I'm planning on maybe trying VIAGRA for a HOT DATE this weekend. Does anyone know of any adverse effects of combining both substances ?

FYI on price...I bought a small quantity (6 @ 50mg) Viagra at CostCo. They cost $50.17. That is $8.36 per 50mg dose. I split them, so it works out to about $4 a pop for 25mg. Currently I am using it only about twice per month so I didn't want to put out the money for a larger quantity.

I don't know whether the price comes down for larger quantities. And I didn't ask if 100mg pills were available, and if so, were they proportionately cheaper. I still have a few samples the doctor gave me so I am set for a while.

BTW, a follow-up to my post of October 24...I used the second half of the pill I split about ten days after I used the first half. It had been stored unwrapped inside a zippered sandwich bag. It worked just fine. On this trip I took the half-pill one and one half hours after a light meal. Again I noticed a slight stuffy nose within 20 minutes. I took it just before leaving home, and was in La Zona within about an hour.

This time I spotted an old favorite in AB and we went upstairs right away. The cuddling and nursing produced a good erection which did not fade when we paused for a moment here and there. (Usually I don't get totally hard during the foreplay.) The advantage is that my amiga could now proceed with the BJ on an erect penis, rather than having to get me up with the BJ.

We did our regular series of positions and thoughout our time together I felt completely in control of my building excitement. I could last as long as I wanted and could choose when I came. Thank you Vitamin V!!!

Anyone ever bought V off the web??? If so where??
I have seen mucho sites and want to find an honest reliable web seller.
SB

Not cheap, but they delivered.

www.1stonlinepharmacy.com

Online form reviewed by a 'doctor'. I bought the 100mg pills and break them up when needed. Great boost if you drink too much one night or want to try 3 girls in a row...

I will check them out. Gracias Bonvvnt.

Has anyone tried to bite no more than 10-15 mg. off a 50 or 100 mg. tab, on the assumption that this will still keep the dick good and hard and yet not make it so damn hard to get off? Even 25 mg. is too much for me--can't get the bastard to come down.

Read somewhere to take Viagra with grapefruit juice. Supposedly makes it work faster, better, etc. Well, the results are in. Based on a somewhat scientific trial of 20 samples (10 using grapefruit juice and 10 with water) I can report that the grapefruit juice had a significantly better score when it comes to getting it to kick in sooner, lasting longer and producing better wood on those 2nd and 3rd times around. Not sure why that would be unless it has something to do with the high acidity dissolving it faster, more thoroughly, etc.
ECJuan

ECJuan
This is tremendous, I'll make sure to carry some juice in my car my next time out.

It is known the grapefruit juice keeps the medication in your system longer with other drugs. I'm glad that it also works with Viagra.

I tried Tagamet, but it seems to take longer for the V to kick in, but it seemed to make it last longer.

I had the same experience with Tagamet. My doctor explained that Viagra and Tagamet compete for the same resources when trying to be eliminated from the blood stream and having Cimetidine (Tagamet) in the blood slows down Viagra's elimination.

This reminds me of a funny story. My doctor is a really good looking babe in her mid-late 30s. Last time I went in for a mild case of prostatitis I took a half a Viagra an hour before I went in to see her. Well she slipped on the old rubber gloves and started to check my plumbing and under-carriage and - Bam - instant wood (and a great one). She was somewhat surprised and made a half hearted joke about nothing being wrong with that part of my system. She wasn't quite sure what to do with the steel like erection she was holding in her hand and it took her a while before she decided to just let it go. I guess I kind of embarrassed her. Never told her it was with the help of some vitamin "V".
Best that I didn't tell her, I guess as she's the one who writes my scrips.

ECJuan

I've tried Viagra about three times in my life (I'm in my mid-30's), the most recent being last night. The first time I swallowed a whole 100 MG just for the hell of it 4 hours before a scheduled all nighter and wound up with raging wood preventing me from sleeping during a much needed pre-date nap. Oops.

Anyway, as my most recent (kind of chunky) love likes to get on top and grind long after I have lost sensation, I figured I would seek some outside help yesterday and purchased 100mg for a little less than 160 pesos at a Centro Monterrey farmacia. I bit it in half and took half on the spot (about an hour before hotel activity was due to begin). I had been drinking rather heavily for a couple hours before this, and had just eaten a light snack.

Well, it worked great, with 'lil Porker being quite the flagpole for her cowgirl grinding, and being pretty ever ready after that until we both just got a little SORE and decided to go eat. I felt a little flushed (heart racing a bit and flushed in the face) during the heavy exertion of the sex, but not a LOT more than during a particularly energetic session w/o viagra.
The alcohol apparently had no effect on the effectiveness of the viagra.

BUT... 3 hours after taking it we went to eat. Fried fish and french fries. 2 1/2 hours later, with no prior nausea, I got the sudden overwhelming urge to vomit. I have a cast iron stomach and NEVER vomit, unless I do something extreme like drink straight booze on an empty stomach. Vomiting 6 hours after taking a 50 mg. dose? The viagra (well, maybe combined w/ greasy food. the alcohol had to have been out of my system already) is the ONLY explanation here.

I would blame the fried fish before I'd blame 50mg of Viagra taken 6 hours earlier. Have you ever seen the sanitary conditions in some of those Mexican mercados de mariscos? (Though the one in Ensenada is fairly decent). After eating various different things from street vendors all over the place for years without any trouble, I assumed that I had developed superhuman immunity to Mexican microorganisms and that I could eat anything. Then one night I bought 3 rolled tacos from a sweet old lady and my stomach and ass took a serious woopin' that I will not soon forget. The food is great but every once in a wile you may meet your match. I would be quick to blame the fish instead of the Viagra.

Like I said, I have a cast iron stomach, have eaten at this restaurant (not a street vendor by any means, though I never have problems there either) a ton of times and always have the same thing. And eating bad food tends to have aftereffects a lot greater than a single vomiting incident, which is what happened to me last night. The only variable in this equation was the viagra, though it does seem a litle farfetched to think that it fucked with my stomach 6 hours later. Anyway, I thought it was worth mentioning.

I have v but never use it. Don't plan on anytime soon. Do you guys who use it find your erection less 'strong' after using it many times? When you dont use v you aren't as strong as before you started using v?

I'm in mid 30s and still get morning wood almost everyday. Not put to use lately so kinda a waste.

Is pulling the trigger any more difficult with Vitamin V than without? Prior to experimenting with this wonderdrug, I could always fire a round with pinpoint accuracy. Since playing with Pfizers fire, I am finding it more difficult to squeeze off a shot.
Is this a common side-effect, or could my pistol just be getting rusty?

I've heard that DG.

DG-I originally did not kow delayed orgasm is a side effect. I used Viagra a good deal in Costa Rica for over a year with no side effects like this. Only headache and flushed face for me.

Now the last year in Rio others have told me they can't pop on Vitamin V and I find I had problems popping after taking it as well, but I think it's all in my head. The real problem is probably that I'm using V for my 3rd, 4th or 5th session of the day and at my age it's hard to have that many pops over a number of days.

Viagra Once a Week Not Enough, Researchers Say




Mar 14, 7:43 am ET

By Patricia Reaney
LONDON (Reuters) - One pill a week of the anti-impotence drug Viagra is not enough for many British men, according to researchers.

British men, particularly those between the ages of 20 and 44, tend to have sex more frequently according to a national survey, but the state-funded National Health Service (NHS) has been recommending one little blue pill a week for patients suffering from impotence.

"Certainly for the young patients, those in their 40s, once a week wouldn't be enough," Adrian Cook, a researcher at Imperial College of Science, Technology and Medicine in London, told Reuters.

"The policy needs to be revisited and the evidence needs to be looked at more closely," he added.

The government introduced the restriction on Viagra, which is made by the American drug giant Pfizer Inc, after it was launched in Britain because it feared costs would soar if it was available on demand.

Free prescriptions were limited to men suffering from prostate cancer, multiple sclerosis, spinal cord injury, kidney failure and other serious conditions.

Pfizer went to court to make the drug more widely available by having the restriction declared unlawful but was unsuccessful.

Cook and his colleagues, in a letter published in the British Medical Journal, urged the government to reconsider its policy. They said their analysis of data from the national sexual survey shows that the prescribing policy is unjust and is not satisfactory for many men.

"It discriminates in two ways. It identifies certain groups who are eligible for treatment and that is quite an arbitrary grouping. There is also the frequency type of rationing and that is not evidence based. It certainly mitigates against the younger sufferers," Cook said.

The Department of Health said it advises doctors that one treatment a week will be appropriate for most patients, but doctors can exercise their own judgment and prescribe more.

"The current system was introduced in 1999 to get a balance between treating men with impotence and protecting NHS resources to deal with other priorities including those with cancer, heart disease and mental health problems," it said in a statement.

An estimated 2.3 million men in Britain suffer from impotence, or erectile dysfunction, but only about 10 percent receive treatment, according the Impotence Association.

Patients who do not qualify to receive the drug on the NHS can get it prescribed through private doctors.

Two other anti-impotence drugs, Eli Lilly & Co's Cialis and Levitra from Bayer AG and GlaxoSmithKline Plc, have also been launched in Britain. All the drugs are similarly priced at 19.34 pounds ($30.86) for a pack of four tablets.

Brazil Bans Ads for Anti-Impotence Drugs

Fri Jul 25, 2:24 PM ET

RIO DE JANEIRO (Reuters) - Viagra ads, like those that featured soccer legend Pele, got the boot on Thursday when Brazil banned advertising of anti-impotence drugs, citing fears they were stimulating Brazilians to excessive and inappropriate use of the medicines.

The drugs are prescribed to combat erectile dysfunction but the government health products watchdog Anvisa voiced concern that men with no such problem were taking them to give their sexual activities an extra boost. Recent studies show Viagra is a hit with Brazilian (news - web sites) youths who use it for recreation rather than procreation.


Link/URL.... http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=571&ncid=751&e=7&u=/nm/20030725/hl_nm/brazil_impotence_dc

Hey guys - Thanks for the great info. I have a question. I have looked on the net and tried to find this info but couldn't find an exact anwer. I have high blood pressure and I am taking Avapro and I wanted to try Vit V for the first time. I was wondering, are there any problems or drug interactions that I need to know about with Avapro and Vit. V?

Any info would help. Thanks