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GCL, but a carb day might stop your ketogenesis, and require you to return to day 1 of the 21 day induction phase, right? I'm generally surprised at the number of people who don't get the concept that induction into ketogenesis has a cumulative effect, which eventually turns your body over into a particularly type of metabolism that is difficult to instigate but easy to exit. Wouldn't a carb day almost automatically exit it, and therefore require the whole shebang to re-initiate it?

A carb day may very well throw you out of ketosis. If you eat clean (no junk food), and have a carb day you can be back in ketosis in 1 to 3 days. Going in and out like that is helpful actually because 1. it will replenish your glycogen stores and give you more energy for workouts and 2. It sort of fools the body into not thinking there is a crisis and you can continue to lose bodyfat without hitting any plateus.

If you go in and out of ketosis this way you will also avoid the bad bounce back which some people experience when they come off of the Adkins diet. Finally--a balance in life is a better recipe for long term success. Adkins is a diet. Eating low carb/high carb is a better balance IMHO--a lifestyle change--and something you can continue to do the rest of your life.

(Message edited by gcl on September 04, 2003)

Hola Whities

Well check this out.
I lost around 14 since starting the diet.
I went off the diet this weekend and pigged out with Ben and William and had baked potatoes , cheesy breads bbq ribbies and french fries steak and cheese sub and gained back around 3 pounds by monday.
Well today is thursday and my white ass lost that plus 2 more pounds in less than 1 week !!

I am nearly at the 159 mark

I didnt consume any high sugar products such as candy bars ice scream or non diet soft dinks and within 1 week I am back in Keytoeseis.

I may have been in keytoesis earlier but just checked it today.

Bookguy you can now buy the piss strips at any healthstore like GNC

I bought sum low carb dinks called EAS AdvantAGE
Choc Fudge- stay away from these they are cheap about 5 fucks for a 6 pack but taste like shit. I have to mix atkins shakes with these just to get good taste from them.

Rite Aid is having a special this week on carb cobtrol products and I bought 2 carbolite shake mixes for 13 fucks !!

the atkins is around 20 just for one !!
more supermarkets are expanding on their atkins lines I also bought some Honey barbieq sause with zero carbs and it tastes great !!!

Right now my meat dishes are lamb chops , ribbies , porterhouse steaks , carna asada , some chicken dishes and I normally have mushrooms and Sourkraut with my meat dishes.

3 days a week I have the shakes for breakfast and normally a salad or tuna for lunch !!

Good luk Guise !!!
Milky

OK ppl I'm going back on the bandwagon again. I now own Ketostix, a bathroom scale, a pullup bar, and a newfound sense of determination. My local fish shack just burnt down, so I can't go there and get my regular weekly Key Lime pie either ...

So, I thought I'd make a legitimate plan, for the next two months or so. Problem is, the holidays are around the corner.

I will post up my plan when I come up with it. I am currently 5'8" (and intend for this diet to make me significantly taller) and about 167 lbs. That sounds hefty but actually when I was at my "college skinny" thinnest, playing varsity soccer, basically 7% body fat or so, I was 150 to 155 lbs, so I'm figuring I want to drop to 160 lbs?

Suggestions? For good plans? I hate running, but am going to learn to do it enjoyably. Also, I have to work into this the fact that I have exercise-induced asthma, which means that true aerobic exercise can (too easily) get short-circuited despite fitness and determination levels.

I am familiar with weight training, and own smaller dumbbells and a flat bench at home, but nothing big enough to do legit. big weight training. I don't intend to join a gym. I like the Body By Fish thing, but find it heavily emphasizes leg work, which is a body-part I'd really rather spend less not more time on, considering my thighs/glutes are soccer-developed and monstrous, relative to the rest of me. (Body By Fish: http://www.trainforstrength.com/workouts.shtml )

Looking forward to your help / advice / suggestions ...

Well, first thing ya gotta do is get over to the Atkins thread. You've got the ketostix, but have you read the book? Also look at fitday.com to track your daily progress.

Pullups, situps and pushups with get you pretty far. Those little dumbells can be put to good use too -- high reps of low weights. Not fun, but you'll get a good sweat.

You don't mention how much you weigh now.

I'm getting around the holiday feeding frenzies by leaving the country and going to a non-christian part of the world. I may have to make it an annual affair.

(Ya know, there are days when I miss key lime pie.)

Wombat, I'm ALL OVER dat Atkins thread ... and yeah, I mentioned I'm 5'8" (172.8 cm) and 167 lbs (76 kg? is it 2.2?). Visiting a non-Christian country for the holidays is a brilliant weight-loss strategy . I'm not planning on doing oodles of low-weight=high-rep lifting, but I will keep each limb lubricated with joint-juice through things like 4 sets of 12 reps each -- does that count as low-weight=high-rep? -- but heavy enough to be to failure at the 10-to-12 zone.

I just dropped 55lbs over the past 1-1/2 yrs using weight watchers. My wife adopted it as a religion and got the point system down to a science. I ate what I always eat, kept my quota of beer within an acceptable range (2 to 3 per night) and only did ONE exercise to get rid of the gut. Two or three sets of about 200 reps each in various positions two to three nights a week. (Oh yeah, I had a workout partner who made sure I was properly positioned.)

I am 5' 9" and weighed 250lbs - a big guy with a big gut. I'm down to 195 right now and still losing weight. Really. My friends can't believe it.

Weight watchers works. No bullshit, no fancy fads, no messy creams or sticky goo, no weights, no videos, no special foods that taste worse than the cardboard box they came in.

Just keep track of what you're doing and the weight will come off, that gut will diminish and you'll find that you enjoy that fabulous meat much much more. More sensation, jeez, I could go on and on. Do it. It's cheap and it works.

Listen pal there is nothing wrong with sticky goo

Country John welcome aboard brother and I am glad to see that you lost a lot of weight. I am pretty big and hope to get back down to about 145 in 2 months.

Did you ever consider the Atkins if not I would like to here your reasoning.
thanks
Milk

I just watched the weight come off

Milkman, I'm down to 185 now and still dropping. The weight watcher thing is a science. It is also a discipline (we hate that word). But once you understand how the system works and start using it the weight WILL drop. I do the exercises as above and people who know me can't belive I lost so much weight.

I never considered the Atkins diet, there are no food fads.

The point system in weight watchers makes sense, you can eat what you want, live your life, etc. Very simple. In fact, I don't know anything about it at all except the basics, my wife runs it and she feeds me. All I do is behave when I'm on the road (with the exception of mongering of course).

All we need is for science to discover that pussy juice (the sweet stuff) reduces weight. All I know for sure about that right now is that (much) more research is needed.

And as for the sticky gooey stuff, you're right.

Be Safe and Be Nice
Country John

I just watched the weight come off

Milkman, I'm down to 185 now and still dropping. The weight watcher thing is a science. It is also a discipline (we hate that word). But once you understand how the system works and start using it the weight WILL drop. I do the exercises as above and people who know me can't belive I lost so much weight.

I never considered the Atkins diet, there are no food fads.

The point system in weight watchers makes sense, you can eat what you want, live your life, etc. Very simple. In fact, I don't know anything about it at all except the basics, my wife runs it and she feeds me. All I do is behave when I'm on the road (with the exception of mongering of course).

All we need is for science to discover that pussy juice (the sweet stuff) reduces weight. All I know for sure about that right now is that (much) more research is needed.

And as for the sticky gooey stuff, you're right.

Be Safe and Be Nice
Country John