I just came back from a trip to Tijuana and the zona norte and found out some shocking information (at least to me). I was talking with a friend (a regular in the zona norte) while at Adelita's. He lives in TJ with a chica who used to work at Adelita's. He said that his girlfriend told him that 2 of the women currently working at Adelita's have AIDS and that testing for STD's in TJ was a joke. Also, while staying at the Hotel Leyva he saw a used syringe at the hotel.

He said that the health inspectors who check for health cards at Adelita's almost always come on Thursdays and the girls working there know this and those with STD's avoid working on Thursday's.

The reason I am posting this is to urge 100 percent condom usage at all times by all who visit zona norte for their own safety. Fellas, those who do not use condoms for all sex acts-
you guys are putting your own physical health at great risk and putting the rest of us at greater risk as well. Guys, always use condoms and forget about the BBBJ's and bareback sex. My guess is that the situation at CC is a similar one, so those who only go to CC should keep these things in mind as well.

I AGREE WITH YOUR ADVISE 100%

I remember a hooker from a strip club on Rev back in the 80's scolded a friend of mine that wanted to do her bareback.

She told him NEVER FUCK A HOOKER IN TJ WITHOUT A CONDOM...NEVER !!!

Then she reemphasied it. She said ... Baby I'm a hooker here and I'm telling you never do a girl here without a condom NEVER !!!.

Guys I know that at times we don't always agree on things here and sometimes flame wars get started. In all sincerety please don't gamble with your lives just for a little better sensation !!!!!!

I'm always amused by the guys who actually BELIEVE that the sweet little darling will ALWAYS use a condom with EVERYONE but him!

That's takes more ego than I have... and that's saying alot!

It is essential to "prep" yourself mentally. It is the easiest and most natural thing in the world to go without a condom. There are lots of unspoken forces that push us and the women to go bareback at times. (See my post on the Joy of Bareback Sex--reposted by Dazed under Men's Health: Mental Health). So it is of value to know that these forces operate within ourselves, and to have an explicit plan to protect ourselves...

Actually, you are less likely to find a chica willing to go without condom in Adelita's than in most other bars. The exceptions are those chicas that are already infected, they generally don't mind infecting yet another gringo.

In the smaller bars, chicas offer to go BB if they decide that you're an OK customer. After all, they're going BB with their novio, so what the heck?

what the heck?! what do u mean what the heck???!!! i am not trying to be disagreeable when i say this, but when u have sex with a prostitute regardless of whether it's Adelita's or another bar, you should always use a condom to protect yourself from AIDS and other diseases. It's not worth the extra sensation of going bareback to put yourself at high risk of getting
AIDS or other diseases. And every time a guy gets a BBBJ or has bareback sex with 1 of the chicas you putting everyone else at greater risk of getting a disease if they have sex with the same girl. If i read on this board that a chica gives BBBJ's or has bareback sex with customers, then i try to steer clear of that chica cuz she in all probabilty she is at much higher risk of having some type of disease. just my 2 cents worth

guys, ANOTHER member put this post in the discussion section- i am copying and pasting it here to urge everyone else to always use condoms!!! It's titled:


I did it and I'm still paying the price.


For several years I had unprotected sex with one favorita in Ciudad Acuna and another in Bangkok. Never had any problem, so I got sloppy. In the year 2000 I went bareback with one new girl in Ciudad Acuna, another in Juarez, my girlfriend (bar girl) in Bangkok, and one in Jakarta. I ended up with a couple of venereal warts, and, worse, a trip to the emergency room at the local hospital that cost $500 -- my prostate swelled up so that I couldn't piss, and I had 104 degree fever. The problem with the prostate still bothers me occasionally. I learned my lesson, and have used a condom every time since. Guess I'm lucky I didn't get something permanent, like herpes.

"What the heck" meant from the perspective of a chica who is already doing her novio BB.

I know a young guy who just 3 months ago tested HIV positive.He used to like to find chicas at chicago who gave bbbj.I'm not saying thats how he contracted HIV. Because I know he also has a girlfreind who works in TJ as a prostitute.He was supposed to be the only one she did bareback.Now they both tested positive.He hasn't told me her name or if she still works.A mutual freind told me,he heard she worked at chicago and she looks very healthy,pretty and by looking at her you'd never know she was sick.He was told this by our freind who was infected.My friend is only 23 years old and over the past six months I can really see a difference in his appearance he was already thin and he must of lost at least 50 pounds.And it hasn't turned into full blown aids yet,right now he just has hiv.I'm not telling anybody what to do.Just don't trust them when they say your the only one they do sin condon.And he's still not sure if he got it from his G/F or the bbbj's.He no longer sees his chica and he doesn't monger anymore because he is infected. I asked if his novia still works and he doesn't know.

Tommy:

Now, that's a useful post. I guess, we should avoid healthy looking pretty chicas in the Chicago Club.

As for your friend, HIV is completely asymptomatic, meaning that there are no physical effects from the syndrome - when the effects come, by definition, you have AIDS.

Bareback a prostitute....even a "girlfriend" who is a prostitute. Sounds like a death wish to me. I have always used a condom for everything, including BJ - with one exception. I still regred doing that. I love pussy & BJ's but not enought to die for it. Even a BJ carries a risk with body fluids being exchanged. I just recently remember a working girl wanting to tongue kiss me and go down on her. I said "No" and she got really upset with me...."Why?" she asked....I responded "other guys". She then told me that other guys always ask her to tongue kiss and lick her pussy but she never allows it, then she offers it to me and I decline. I wasn't convinced. Wouldn't trust anyone, especially a working girl. Prefer to hurt a working girl's feeling than catching something. If everybody used common sense with this already risky behavior, we would all be better off! My approach to mongering is that EVERYBODY has HIV. I then take the necessary precautions and LESSEN my chances.....since you can never truly eliminate them. Staying realistic!

The Explorer,I'm only saying what he told me,He gets sick alot and has lost at least 50 pounds and his docters say it isn't full blown aids yet.Do you understand now? for the identity of the girl, I'd like to know that myself.My message wasn't telling anyone to avoid healthy looking pretty chicas at chicago.The Explorer, for people like you who obviusly are a little slow. My message was use a condom because any of the girls can have it.

One more thing , I don't claim to be a Doctor nor do I claim to have an expert amount of knowledge pertaining to medicine.My friend may in fact have aids I don't know.That's really irrelevant.Hiv or Aids they both equal the same thing and thats death.

Tell that to Magic Johnson. I hear he plans to run for mayor of LA in 3 years.

Not everybody has the kind of medical care Magic can afford.

No offense Tommy, but The Explorer is right. Your post is so vague it's useless to anybody. Your puta description fits 75% of the girls working, so it just comes off like a BS post to try and scare people.....IMHO. Thanks for the attempt, but it's no good without a name and better information.

No offense taken I never thought my post would sound like B-S because its a true story. But now that you pointed out the lack of info, I can see your point

At a recent visit to the clinic, my novia was told by the woman (nurse?) who drew blood from her that there were two new cases of HIV infections in the ZN. The woman told my novia to be extra careful, because the cases occurred somewhere "close to her". The woman did not identify the cases further, but my novia speculates that they might have happened at her own bar or the bars similar to hers in terms of their client base and settings. She specifically mentioned AB/CC/LC (one of which is hers) as the possibilities. My novia also knows of at least one SG who is HIV positive. She does not know if the SG continues to work, but she pointed out how easy it was for SGs to work without health card.

Supposedly, the two women who were diagnosed as HIV+ can not continue to work at the bars. However, the HIV test used at TJ is apparently ELISA or antibody. It takes up to six months before ELISA becomes positive after the infection, and during this period, these women could have infected others. The report also suggests that there may be a HIV+ population among TJ customers who may continue to spread the virus to chicas. Alternatively, these girls contracted the virus from the sources such as contaminated needles. In either case, there is an active HIV+ pool in TJ.

Please be aware that the HIV risk in TJ is real.

If there are just 2 new cases of HIV in the Zona, given the large numbers of chicas there, it could be argued that the HIV infection rate in the ZN is lower than in the general population.

Not to say that I would believe that. Clearly, some percent of the chicas are infected, and the danger is non-trivial. My personal feeling is that the largest sources of infection are chicas doing their novios without condoms (and passing the infection on to their trusting but stupid clients) and use of light bulbs to cook crystal (the light bulbs have sharp edges, the chicas get cut and bleed and then they spread the blood either from passing the stuff around to other chicas, or by getting the blood onto their clients' condoms),

"She pointed out how easy it was for SGs to work without health card"

Unless the clubs where bar girls work require current health cards I would argue that it's now easier for them to work without health cards than the SGs.

Working in the bars makes it easier for them to avoid SMM when they make their rounds. I was standing outside AB about 6 months ago when SMM arrived and went into the bar. The doorman proceeded to tip off all the girls who were returning from upstairs or the restaurant.

Exactly. There are plenty of places for the chicas to hide in the bars when SMM shows up; the SGs can't exactly turn invisible when SMM's car parks right in front of them.

You know, I really don't know which one is easiER, and that is really not something I tried to say in my post.

But, if I am to guess, the chance of the bar girls finding themselves inside the bars when SMM arrives is about the same as that of SGs who find themselves standing right in front of the car by SMM. Another thing is, the doorman may tip the girls so that the girls who have forgotten the cards don't have to be fined, but bars themselves check the cards regularaly to make sure things are kept in order (relatively speaking). In contrast, SGs are completely on her own.

More importantly, though, once a girl finds out that she is infected, where would she likely to go? Her current bar has every motive to kick her out, and if she moves to a new bar, then they would check her card at the time of the employment. So, the only chance of her remaining in bars would be to get a fake card (but I am sure the words are quickly spread in the circle).

OR, go to the street without the card. What would she lose?

I also like to say something on the relative "cleanness" of SGs vs bar girls. There was some earlier speculation that SGs might be cleaner because they don't do much more than simple sucky fucky. I don't necessarily buy that argument.

I am sure the data exist somewhere at TJ on this matter, but I don't have them. My argument below relies on what I read about prostitutes and STDs in other parts of the world, including NYC SGs vs incalls.

Needless to say, the condom usage is the biggest deciding factor as to who is clean, but there are other contributing factors as well. For example, what Athos calls "hygiene" in his report cards actually makes a difference in STD infection. The habit of cleaning themselves, especially immediately after sex, greatly reduces the risk of infections.

Many bar girls, at places like AB/CC, shower themselves after sex. No SGs do that.

Byron, Ariceli and I allways used to shower when we went to the Cascades. Soaping her up was a tough job but someone had to do it...LOL

I meant, many bar girls shower themselves after "every" sex.

The habit of cleaning themselves, especially immediately after sex, greatly reduces the risk of infections.

How do we know this? It certainly has a common-sense type of logic to it, and it is frequently repeated on this board like a mantra. I like good hygiene in my women as much as the next guy and my own intuition would lead me to believe that it might help prevent skin infections like folliculitis and tinea. But is there a single piece of objective data that it does dick (no pun intended) in preventing transmission of common STDs like gonorrhea, chlamydia, syphilis, herpes, and HPV?

Yeah, I have seen the medical data.

Hola fellow whorefuckers

We all have a dangerous hobby , agreed ?
I ask you to do this.
Stand outside for about 1 hr and watch the type of guys that go up with these streetgirls and then tell me how clean they are compared to the clubwhores.
I know a few mongers that have a deathwish and fuck both Sg's and clubgirls without condoms.
To me that is straight up stupid and not only that but you are putting your fellow mongers at risk.

TJ has one of the highest infection rates of Hiv in mexico !!!!

Make no doubts about it , if you fuck a girl in the zona chances are she can or has some sort of STD , so use some protection.

Just so there are no mis-quotes - I didn't say all have Stds but some will and the ones that don't may have been infected before or will be.

MOst STD's are minor and can undetected for a long time.
But some come up right away.
Last year i took my friend who was having some novia problems to the zona to have a good time.
Well we went to Bar Tropical and he went upstairs with a chica and had bareback sex and fist she said no , and when he responded with an extra 30 she agreed.
Soon after that he called me in a panic and it turned out her got nor 1 but 2 forms of minor Stds.
He went to the doctor and got 2 prescriptions and it has since healed.
That was his first time in the zona and he has said he will never go back.

What do you guys honestly beleive these are clean girls ?
Come on lets use some common sense here !!!

Some of these girls fuck hundreds of guys a month !!!
Some without condoms and some with condoms.
Even with condoms , there isno guarantee !!

Me personsally I will not have sex with a club girl and I won't even consider touching a street girl - ucky !!

They can be very pretty but I have a fruitful life and want to live past my 30th birthday.

In the zona money talks and protection comes second to these girls.

Please friends protect yourself
You know what I am saying is true and if you don't you have nothing to worry about right ?

take care
milkman

If you do it with neither, who does that leave ?
La Manuela ?

Hate to tell you Milkie, but I have seen quite a number of zona club girls at Las Pulgas over the years. In fact I have gone a couple of times with girls from either AB or CC only to run into someone they know from their club. So if your only doing non zona club girls, you may get a surprise some day. Finding out she works at one of the zona clubs.

Hi Ezgab

You are talking to the Drunken fist Pulgas Black Belt 8th degree master here.

If there is a zona girl there I can point her out to you as they stick out like a midget in a basketball game.

I see them all the time there.

I have had sex with close to a dozen pulgie chicas this past year.
Yes a few without condoms , I am Guilty.
But we are talking about different chicas here.
Anyone that has been with me here knows that I scope out the non zona girls.

And to answer SP's question
With chicas outside the zona
Disco chicas , Real chicas In TJ & SD chicas

When I hit the I just dance and have fun with the chicas thats about it

Ezgab do you hit Pulgies alot ?
Lets hook up sometime and scope out the chicas together

Take care guys
Milkman

One more thing
Just to clarify my post.
Yes I am taking the same risk as anyone by having unprotected sex with these Pulgie chicas.
Its been a while since I have done that

take care
milky

Hey Milky: What about that ungreased en sus anos that you and your gay disco buddy do when he shows up without his hottie sisters?

SHHHHH !!
Speaky of gay buddies wait till i tell you what happened this weekend!

you are gonna your ass off !!

take care
Milky who lets no man enter !!

No rubber at Pulgies? First off I am paranoid of getting into Roberto's position and knock up a chica, secondly I think that true professionals like most girls at AB and CC are possibly cleaner than many girls who work BT, LC and the other "smaller" bars.
Some girls at regular bars, like Pulgies and Cinque, are pretty easy, this is true in the US, too and I would suspect that having sex with them is even more dangerous than with a professional. The putas in la Zona often are more aware of the risks and protect themselves better than most freelancers or "easy club girls".
Bottom line: I don't have sex without a rubber with anyone but my novia. Once I don't have a novia, I wont have unprotected sex at all. Without a rubber is so much better, I know but it aint worth it.
Some will say: so how do you know that your novia is clean. I can only say: thats why she is my novia, i trust her. At the end there is always a risk left...
Man, I am getting all philosophical here...

robertx
i agree with you.

I have been quite a good boy for a while.
I get it about twice a week from my novia and just make out with chicas from Pulgies now.

Well take care
milkman

How do you manage it that your novia does not find out. Maybe I am paranoid, but TJ seems so small when it comes down to nightlife. I never do anything in public, not even flirt in any place like Plaza Fiesta or Pulgies. Is your novia well connected in TJ?
Mine has friends and collegues all over, so I risk getting caught. She isn't jealous (not more than the average girl) but hearing that I made out or danced all night with a particular chica would get me ito relationship hell. So, how do you manage it?

hi

She has friends all over TJ.
She is very active , well used to be and would hit all the rev danceclubs.
I have met lots of her friends at Pulgies and try to stay away from the disco section as much as possible.
She is from a whitey part of mexico so she enjoys mostly american music and gets almost everything for free food and drinks etc...

I have to watch out but there isnt a day that goes bye when we are at Rev and she will see a chica saying hi to me.

I do not bring her to Pulgies anymore for that reason.
Just too many people I know there now.

She doesnt hit plaza fiesta or any other of those other higher class places.

I mostly hit Norteno places which she hates.

TJ is a small place.
You wanna talk about small cities ? her sisters husband works for the apartment building I reside in !!!

Now I am starting to hit Places in San diego.

We sound like we have a lot in common

well take care
milkyx

Here's to life, liberty and the pursuit of our dangerous hobby...

Dangerous it is, Dogster. I read the other day about a pimp who got his Johnson cut of in sleep from a prostitute who was jealous of him fucking around. It happened in Europe, and no they were not able to put it back on like with Bobbit.
Another theme for my next nightmare, when I dream of my sweetheart finding out about my infidelities.
The other nightmare: Catching clap or something like it from a bar girl and giving it to her, than her MD telling her what she has, and her coming home and me trying to explain. Man I sure hope to wake up soon....

I used to hate condoms, until I used a NaturaLamb... Incredible feeling and snsitivity! It is made from sheep intestines and so has a very "real" feel to it...

Nuffsedd:

You may want to look into this a bit more. Lamb skin condoms do not block HIV the same way latex condoms do.

Take care.

Does not prevent any STD-- only pregnancy. Might as well bareback if she is on the pill !!!!

If you have to do bareback you should pull out before ejaculating. In porn the guys pull out and ejaculate on the girls for health reason beside just for anesthetic. After you ejaculate your penis suck back some of the fluid in the girls and that is where you can have problem. You should drink plenty of water before sex so you can urinate right after sex so you can flush out any potential bacteria. Alot of guys like to roll over and sleep right after sex and that can be a problem because the bacteria can germinate all night. Always wash your self thoroughly after sex. You should use mouth wash and gargle.

Fairly new hear to CH, so I just read this whole thread. I am of the mind set of using condoms 100% and not a fan of kissing the girls either. That pretty much kills my GFE type of goals but I like my peace of mind.

But I have been offered kissing and BBBJs and a BBBJTC recently. I've been asked "Why don't you kiss me?" or "Sin condon?" I always say no. When they ask why, I say "other guys" like LOVINGMARVIN does. I kinda of hate saying that though because I just don't want to blame them. I really hate that the girl is lying saying that I'm the only one. Come on, do I look that stoopid.

I think girls are offering it more becasue guys are requesting it and when they do BB with some guy the guy repeats more often. That's logical and economical for her.

When girls ask me if I want BB and say I'm the only one, I just want to call their lie but that would be too hostile. Here is my nice way but I don' know how to say it in spanish(any help out there):

"You don't need to offer me "sin condon" to secure me as a loyal customer. I enjoy your company with condoms very much. If anything you'll scare me away with these "Sin condon" suggestions. Of all the guys who come to TJ, I can't be that special to be the only one who gets "Sin Condon".

Thanks for the translation in advance.

Well, to each his own but I'm glad STEELERS posted here to bring this thread back up on the radar. Everyone should read it just for a reality check.

Frontbc, when it comes to refusing BBFS, I think the best way to express your reluctance is simple fear of becoming a father by accident without any reference to the disease factor or any other excuse which could give offense or cause confrontation.

If you are unwilling to accept an unsolicited offer of BBBJ, you might tell the chica that you really are looking forward to having sex with her, and that a preliminary BBBJ may get you overly excited and take you over the edge before you get to the main course.

Many chicas who take the lead in BBBJ do so for the reason you stated - because they think it will get them repeat business. However, many others initiate BBBJ because they can't stand the taste of latex. So, if you don't want BBBJs, be sure to carry a flavored condom which these chicas will appreciate.

Erip,

Thanks for the great advice. I will put it into action if the situation arises again.

On a similar thought, I've heard that washing your dick and mouth right after sex will reduce the threat of catching herpes and other STD's from the girl. Can anyone confirm or deny this claim? Thanks in advance for your reply.

"You don't need to offer me "sin condon" to secure me as a loyal customer. I enjoy your company with condoms very much. If anything you'll scare me away with these "Sin condon" suggestions.

Te volvere a ver, te aprecio mucho, y el condom es para ti igual que para me.

Yeah, i think that says it... the break down is...

I will see you again, i appreciate your company and the condom is for you as well as me...

Yeah, that should work.

Calif_thaied,
Here is my take on your post of washing your mouth and penis right after you do the deed to reduce infection. I think that is a total myth and my reason is... when their is bacterias and infections they are so microscopic that by the time you wash they are already in your pores and the contact has been already made I don't think there is a get out of jail card for that by just washing up. Correct me if I am wrong?

Hdzlandia,

Thanks for the translation. I'm studying espanol right now, so everthing helps. and I love to practice any experession i can get my hands on. it's going to be a long journey to fluency but I've got to start somewhere.

Muchas Gracias

anytime.

Cazadores, the washing issue probably has more to do with reducing the "load" of potentially succesful invading organisms.

Just because stuff gets in does not mean it will succesfully infect. Would you rather have a few thousand chances in or several million?

Having said that I prefer 0 so I always use the glove