Innocent mentioned recently that he has taken Chinese herbs for years, and pole vaults out
of bed every morning. I was wondering specifically what herbs he takes? I was just in a health food store over lunch, and there is a huge selection. I'm early to mid-thirties and in good shape with no health or performance problems, but want to stay at the top of my game for as long as possible. I'm not looking for an herbal viagra, but a long-term blend to help keep me in as good shape as Innocent is in in his 40's. Thanks

Kendricks,

Good to hear form you again. I am in my "late" 40's actually 49 in September. Although it is not every morning I do often pole vault out of bed
and beside genetics I am convinced it is largely due to the use of Traditional Chinese Herbal Medicine.

I have a lovely Thai wife that is my junior by 20 years and she allways laughs and say," what's wrong with you ,you are like a kid". You gotta love it.

I have a family practice and part of my training is a Masters degree in Chinese Herbal medicine.

For now because of time constraint I will make a couple of simple generic reccomendations. If you do not have high blood pressure I would recc. red ginseng.

This herb will boost your libido, stamina, improve digestion and overall longevity. For those who have hypertension do not use red ginseng, it is contraindicated. Instead use white American ginseng for the same benefits as well as potential for regulating blood pressure.

White American Ginseng is so valued in the Far East that 85% of our crop is exported to Asia.

I can give more reccs. later. Start with this at double whatever is the recc. daily dose for three months.

Grasshopper in time everything will be revealed to
you.

Thanks, Innocent. I have borderline blood pressure - so I suppose the White American Ginseng is the way to go? Do the herbal blends like "Cobra" have any value? Also, what is a better place to message you - here, or on the main board?

-- Kendricks

Kendricks,

Either place is OK as I view both boards. Probably better to keep this one here under Chinese herbs. This thread may continue for a while.

I can't remember specifically what the Cobra product has in it. I think I do remember it had a fancy lable and was exensive. As rule stay away from products like this.

For starters just get Solray's American Ginseng from Henry's and take double the reccomended daily dose. You have to be careful, many products that boost libido have the potential to raise blood pressure.

You can just get on the ginseng and stay on it.
Whe you get your yearly physical have your GP check your free testosrerone level if it is low you should supplement with a topical cream.

Got to go now more later.

Thanks, Innocent. I'm going to pick some up today. Is that the only herb you take?

Cobra has kola nut in it, so probably a lot of caffeine too.

the yohimbie in it may cause some blood pressure problems.

the other ingredients seem pretty harmless.

I see horny goat weed is avalable now in capsul form too.

just the name sounds like it should work
( on the horny old goats anyway)

I think it is always fun to try new things, lets
keep this thread going and see what we find works.

Kendricks,

Don't underestimate this regimin. Good sexual prowess in reflected in the long haul by overall good health.

There are other things that you can do. The herba Epimidium is safe and is a true aphrodisiac.
Be careful with high grade Yohimbe extract it will definitely give you wood but will also exaserbate your hypertension.

Don't forget about about about good old vitamin E.
Recent European studies have used up to 5000 mgs daily for extended periods.

I like Country Life's 1000mg soft gel caps. I take two in the morning. The E thins the blood and
allows the penis to become more easily engorged with blood.

This will also help reduce your HBP. Remeber to refrigerate all oil soluable vitamins. Fructus cratagus or Hawthorn berries also ream out the arteries thin the blood and strenghten the heart.

They are 100% safe and you could eat the whole bottle if you didn't mind having the runs for a day. More later...

Been taking Horny Goat Weed for the past month or so and have noticed a big difference in not only desire but more hard ons. First trip to TJ yesterday and tested it. Usually take 2-3 50 mg of Viagra but only took one and was able to do 5 chicas without reloading and only taking 4 horney goat in morning and in the afternoon.

Pecs,

The nice thing beside the obvious benefits is that it's safeand each time you use it it makes you stronger.

The only catch is when these herbs and combinations where formulated about 5000 years ago, the idea was that when you got "horned up" from using them, you were supposed to hold on to that energy and transform it into healing energy internally to promote good health and longevity.

The Taoist masters and physicians allways reccomended preserving the essence (jizz) to promote exreme strenght and life extension.

Hey I'm not Chinese I'm Italian. I guess I'm screwed, no they're screwed ( the chicas that is).

Five chicas, damn reminds me of the old days like last year. Now my max is two, I'm trying to cut back. HEEHEEHEE

I picked up some Red Chinese Ginseng yesterday. For a little background, I am in good shape physically, and do hit the weights and exercise (I am a former marine, and have always been in pretty good shape, although I did smoke and drink a bit too much in my younger days). My blood pressure was, if I recall, 130/80 the last time I checked it - I know that is borderline, but it doesn't qualify as hypertension, does it?

Anyway, I have already started taking the Ginseng with my multivitamin every day - does you recommend the extra Vitamin E, on top of the multivitamin? Anything else I should be doing?

Thanks,

Kendricks

Kendricks,

You can try the Red GInseng but just keep an eye
on your BP. It's definitely stronger. Vit.E
as I said current reasearch says that up to 5000 mg is safe. See how much is in your multiple and calculate. You should be safe taking an extra 2000mg. Most multiples only have 400mg.

All men should be taking 50mg zinc and 200 mcg selenium daily. Chelated forms are best absorbed.
Plus 3000 mcg sublingual B-12 after breakfast daily plus an additional B 125 comlex on top of every thing. It's also hard to wrong with additional Vit. C up to 10,000 mgs daily. Enjoy.

Alright, I've started taking Red Chinese Ginseng, a B complex with C supplement, an E supplement, and a Zinc supplement, along with the daily multi. (I forget the selenium, I'll have to pick some up.)

What should the timing be? I've started taking the Ginseng with my multi in the morning, and then the additional supplements after dinner. Does that sound good? Does it even matter?

Thanks,

Kendricks

I came across this supporting interjection not too long ago...from somewhere or the other:

"There are two ways that you can eat-- and nothing in between. You can eat to FEED your immune system. Or, you can eat to destroy your immune system."

A Food for thought kind of guy...
(oops, Sorry Oot)

Eunuch,

That's a very black and white statement. Optimal
nutrition is allways ideal. What the western model does not recognize is that certain types of diets are better for people according to their constitution or body type.

There has been some fairly recent research done on what kind of foods are good for what blood type.

Also age, state of mind, time of day and the season can dictate what are the best foods to eat.

There is an old saying in Ayurvedic medicine that goes some thing like this,"If the right foods are eaten no medicine is needed. If the right foods are not eaten no medicine will work".

One other is "if one eats even the best foods and is not in the proper state of mind these foods will turn into poison in the system. If one is in the the proper state of mind and takes even the worst foods they can be turned into nectar in the body.

It's never good to eat when your upset or angry.
Most people lose their appetite as a natural reaction.

On the other hand if you are at a celebration or some kind of party that hunk of chocolate moose cake might be the best medicine for you as long as you don't make a habit off it.

Do you see what I mean.

Innocent,

I like the idea of taking the best from everything, and putting it together.

Do you know what I mean.

Old saying #1,043: "First, do no harm"

Hey, you asked yourself a question two posts up about the timing of swallowing your supplements. I'm curious...

Eunuch

Innocent,

I forgot to mention: I have that book ("Eat Right 4 Your Type"). I wanted to go along with it, but as I read it, I only became convinced that I must actually be Chinese.

Eunuch,

Yes "primeri non no ceri". I checked and I'm not sure what you mean by the timing question except that I try to take a big hit of vitamins and herbs in the AM with food.

I've pretty much got it down to an art to not get that sick queasy feeling that is easy to do if you take mega doses of these things anytime of day.

Also the book eat right or your blood type , I was sceptical at first but after reading it think
it's pretty right on. However like most contemporary work it's not carved in stone.

A fair part of my practice is geriatric medicine and I will tell you this, that the folks who say they have been taking vitamins and herbs by the handfulls for years are in way better shape all around than those who haven't.

Eunuch,

PS. Althought my specialty is Traditional Chinese Medicine, I've spent a good deal of time in Japan studying Japenese style of acupuncture and Japanese Kampo Herbal medicine.

So in response to your thinking you may be Chinese
I say,"I thnk I'm turning Japanese ,I think I'm turning Japanese, I really think so"!!!

Innocent,
Am I understanding that you are a practioner of Chinese herbal med. If so could you recomend a book or two and possably a provider in the Las Vegas area.
Thank's Vegas Dave

Vegasgator,

As far as books as books I would check redwing.com
or bluepoppy or bluepoppypress.com I'm not sure which. Also just go to amazon.com. Before you buy anything you could also check out one of the larger book stores in your area. Thumb through and see what looks user friendly to you. Also the internet is LOADED with pages on Chinese Herbal Medicine now.

There used to be a book around in the health food stores called Secrets Of Chinese Herbalists. I don't know about Vegas but the health food stores here are good soures as well.

I just moved so my library is packed at the moment. It's hard to remember some of the books that are intended for the lay person.

As far as a referal in Vegas, its kind of funny because it is definitely a fact that for many years the Korean mafia controled the entire acupuncture seen there. Unbelievable but true.

Some of te best practitioners from Calif., which is considered to be the most rigorous training and boards, sat for the Vegas boards. No one ever passed. I don't know how it is today.

I would try to call the state acupuncture association in your area or go to acupuncture.com.

You should look for someone that is not only trained in traditional chinese medicine but also homeopathy and strong in diet and nutrition. Enjoy...

Eunuch sez...

".....I only became convinced that I must actually be Chinese"

Hey Cousin! Welcome to the family! Now go answer Blazers latest BS post and tell him he's full of shit...we all get a turn!

FDA just banned sale of ephedra according to a news bleep last night... This is a key ingredient in Metab-O-Lite and other metab rev, carb burning formulas... Claims it can cause strokes, and other problems..

When you mix age, booze, excercise & excitement in TJ with stimulants like Yohimbe & Ephedra it probably is somewhat risky..

Bummer:


whats next on the list caffene?

Really,

It's not like it makes you spell funny or anything!

the caffene or the Ephedra?

I barely made it through high school.

Horny Goat Weed seems to continue to be fairly popular.. I've only used it on days needed and it seems to give an extra kick..

Best deal I've found is at DoctorsTrust.. You can order online by adding a .com to the name above. Price is $7.99 special today as I placed an order. They ship by priority mail and you receive in less than a week. Shipping is FREE, (if $25 order) no tax paid, what a deal. I buy their "herbal romance" formula, Co Q10, Lycopene, Green Tea, etc. all at savings of up to 70% of what you would pay most places, plus NO SALES TAX (until the law goes into effect)..

No, I'm not a stock holder but if they are publicly traded, I'd consider buying some shares, hehe..

Happy mongering,
ag

Anyone know anything about a product called "FooZoo" sp? ? I heard it mentioned in a radio ad for a supplemnet place along with HGW for their "affects".

Haven't heard of it but most likely Innocent has..

Anybody have any information on horny goat weed in connection with it's potential effects on blood pressure? Yohimbe works, but it's REALLY dangerous for us hypertensives.

Erip i can't hardly use Yohimbe because it wierds me out and i'm sure raises the ole blood pressure near the boiling point.

I never have felt any bad effects from Horney Goat Weed.The stuff i buy is combined with Maca which i am also a fan of.Sav On drugs has been carrying it at a decent price compared to GNC and the ilk.Here's a link to pinnacle if you click on product profiles then on the horney goat weed bottle it will give some info.I don't suggest buying your HGW at pinnacle because they want an arm and a leg for it.

http://www.pinnaclebody.com/

I also like to take arginine on a regular basis.I have heard this can cause breakouts in people who have herpes though.Luckily i'm not in that group
Taxibob

Can't say I've heard of Foo Zoo. Can you give ingridients/ Also HGW, do you meam HGH Human Growth Hormone, Or HGB body building supplement?

The Herba Epimidium seems safe to take long term w/o side effects. I get wierded out from Yohimbi
butit does make my cock as hard as a rock.

Dazed, HGW = "Horny Goat Weed". Yohimbi & Yohimbine are generally found in too large of doses.. I use a product called "Herbal Romance" that contains only 25mg Yohimbe (most Yohimbe products are 10 to 30 time that amount).

The key ingredients in HR are:
Damiana leaf powder, Ashwagandha root powder, Catuaba Bark Powder, Tribulus Fruit Extract, Muira Puama Root, Suma Root, Passion Flower and for chewy flavor, Dutch Cocoa powder.

Under $10 for a bottle of 60 tabs at DoctorsTrust.
I take 3 tabs only on days needed, sometimes the day before take a tab to start the system build up.

Remember, your liver has to filter & process all this stuff so easy does it.. That goes for any herb or prescription drug, not to mention alcohol & oily foods..

OK, Doc AG signing off, now back to our regular scheduled diamond cutter cocktail discussion...

One herb that I tried recently and seemed to work well for me is Yi Shen Ling on the expensive side, $20 for 100 capsules. Made of seeds and semen. Helped recovery time while in Rio but I doubled the dose taking 8 capsules a day.

"Yi Shen Ling" sounds like the name of a Chinese girlfriend I wish I had.. Are you serious? Made from seeds & semen?

Athos, you're hardcore, LOL!

AG,

All the other key ingredients in that formula are 1OO% safe and are considered food grade tonics with no real side effects for a healthy adult.

Damiana does have the potential to cause insomnia
but I have also seen it used rarely for unusual treatment resistant cases of insomnia.

Yohimbe really goes according to each case. We have made our own liquid alchohol extract in the
past. This stuff was fucking rocket fuel. What dose we were taking I'm not sure but we would do one ounce shots with Pacifico chasers.

My face turned red as a beet and had some heavy lead in the pencil. I started to mildly hallucinate. Don't try this at home hehe.

It's best to just stick with the recommended dose and go up from there and find your comfortable
range. Remember all products are formulated differently so you have to adjust accordingly.

Athos, I got a good laugh out of your post. The semen comes from buffalos but it's best to get it fresh from the source. LOL!!! Actually the semen in the formula refers to the seeds in the formula. It's latin bro' semem=seed,radix=root
herba= leaf.

You are a real pisser. I tried to look up that formula but couldn't find it.

The semen/seeds are considered to be the strongest part of the plant for working on the reproductive system.

PS I'm still Innocent but feeling Dazed right now...

Dazed
Thanks for correcting me...You're right semen=seeds. So YSL is made of seeds and fruits. Bottom line I'll get some more on my next trip. I love latin language btw.

Where are YSL and HGW available in say NYC, LON,
YVR(Vancouver) - Had I known earlier, I just came back from a ten day trip to HKG/MAC... Oh Well

Citydude,

I'm a former NYC dude myself. Try the GNC's they can sometimes be a little pricey but usually good quality. Also call around to some of the pharmacies and check prices and grams. Also health food stores Integral Yoga used to have a great store on 14 st years ago.

Write down Yi Shen Ling and try China Town.

Nice to see another New Yorker on the board.

Happy Holidays...

CityDude
Both are available on the net, HGW is very common. Try www.puritan.com for good price on it, they have buy 1 get 2 free running jan to march every year.
YSL is expensive but available on another site.

This isn't exactly a Chinese herb, but I got it from a Chinese girl. She made some soup for me using beef tail. The soup was bland and I didn't care for it at all, but she said it would make me real strong. Well I ate a bowl and had incredible sex that evening. A couple hours later I was raring to go again and she mentioned the soup. I can honestly say that my performance matched or maybe surpassed that week long trip to TJ I made last summer(how to survive TJ on less than 400 a day). There is a definate language barrier between us, but apparently when she said strong she wasn't talking about weight lifting. I shrugged this off as me just being hornier than usual that week, so I tried her soup two more times with the same results. She won't make the soup anymore claiming she needs more sleep.

What were the ingredients other than beef tail?

I don't think other ingrediants are important. She would take about a pound of beef tail, put in some water in a crock pot. She would add a potato, onion, and whatever else was on hand. She never adds spices, so after the first time I would "fix" it with some garlic, pepper, ect.

Thanks for the information. Will try it, though don't know why this would be any better than a sirloin steak.

151rum,

There is a famous medicine in the traditional materia medica that was called seven penis pill
or something like that. Yes it was made from seal
dog, donkey, deer and other assorted dongs but we think it was mostly dog dick.

Very popoola in China. Although I prefer good deer antler velvet with red or white ginseng these
days.

Highly reccomend getting your free testosterone level checked and getting your doc to prescribe
10% testoterone cream if needed. It's fuckin, dynamite.

Enjoy...

Hi guys: I presently take a daily combination of cordyceps, yohimbe, HGW, Maca, and ginseng. I am thinkg of adding tribulus. Any thoughts as to possible effect and risks. Thanks for advice to a newbie.

I get my cordyceps from "Fungi Pefecti".

This stuff ain't cheap!

I get cordyceps from getbigger.com, made by Lifetime, and it is not outrageously expensive. The real, native grown stuff, looks at it would be very expensive. Do you find it helps? Do you notice a difference if you take a hiatus from taking it?

Just to let others know, just in case they were thinking of taking Ginseng....American white ginseng or "Panax quinquefolius" do not have the same properties as Korean ginseng (Panax ginseng)otherwise known as "red ginseng": see part of the article below....

A number of previous studies have suggested that Korean red ginseng might improve sexual function. Animal trials have demonstrated improvements in sexual desire and function with ginseng. In one human trial, ginseng in combination with other herbs and nutrients improved libido and sexual function in women. Another trial found a benefit of ginseng in men with erectile dysfunction. No significant side effects were seen in either of these trials.

Other types of ginseng, such as Siberian ginseng (Eleutherococcus senticosus) and American ginseng (Panax quinquefolius), do not have the same properties as Panax ginseng, and may not have the same benefit for men with erectile dysfunction.

hope it helps!

idoc007

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if any natural product worked the chinese would not be eating seal penises, tiger cocks , and rhino horns. you have to be in sales of worthless herbs.