What's up? Question for you Nasty Connoisseurs and pleasure seekers? I have read a few reports about guys going BAREBACK,RAW, No Condom!!!

A few months ago a buddy told me something about a Doctor or Health Department that could test me and my {bargirl Sex-Kitten} for HIV and other STDs in Pattaya,Thailand?
He also told me i could get the results in 30 minutes. Can anyone HELP please? I am not a big fan of latex when i find the LT-GFE ... (BBBJ is what i do for ST) A few times found myself in a fucked up Position .. and Dipped in some! Drunk or Just could not cum with a rubber! Please any info... you could be saving my life .....

NW

I did see that somewhere. I will search around for where I saw that. But keep in mind that these tests look for antibodies that show up as a result of HIV infection and they don't show up for at least 6 weeks. So now you need to ask how infectious a person can be in those first 6 weeks. I think somewhere in the 6 weeks is when the diarea (sp?) and fever, sore throat, etc kick in. But I don't know.

Too risky for me. I wouldn't do it.

I'm starting to feel like the dept. of public health.


Yes-- you can get a rapid test in LoS. As with any antibody test (ELISA), average time to develop antibodies is around 5 weeks, 90 days for a definitive test. So therefore, this test is worthless if your looking for an excuse to bareback. A PCR test (very expensive) actually works to detect the virus and can be given in the first week. However PCRs are quite expensive and they are usally given to someone who has had a high risk contact with a known HIV+ person.


As for STD tests, yes you can get them, but let's see.... you go to a bar and roll out of there with your barfine at 1AM. Hmm you really thnk your going straight to the hospital for an STD test? I don't think so.


Tryler, an infected person is extremely infectious during those first six weeks-- in fact they are the most infectious at this time.

The symptoms your alluding to are collectively known as ARS, and they may or may not occur in an individual in they become HIV+

(Message edited by donmarco on November 26, 2004)

Donmarco & Tryer
Thanks guys, As most of the girls i have meet "so called good girls" with GFE have not been in a bars, we exchange numbers and hook up in a few days..As i drink myself to near Death i very seldom have sessions at night, most my mongering happens at sun-up.
Also when i find that one.... i turn into a cupcake. i keep the same chick for too many days.after a few showers and alot of that GFE its Hard not to want to Hit it Raw!
( so to answer my own Q: i guess i have to lock the girl up for about 6 weeks,then take the test and pray shes ok?)Damn now thats very expensive!
What was that PCR test? (LOL) JOKES...
I GOT IT..THANKS
when you put it like that ... i will just have to keep them BBBJ going and pary on the day i roll the dice.. or wrapp-it up ,Fuck there lil Thai brains out and never Cum ...

We Live In A NastyWorld

(Message edited by nastyworld on November 26, 2004)

Nasty World

While it is not foolproof at least it is some assurance to know the girl you are with is HIV -. When I did have a regular GF- we would go to Bumrungrad on day one and both get tested. Helps reassure both of us. Again there are no guarantees in life but at least it reduces the risk some . Over 20 years in Thailand I have barebacked too many girls to keep track of and still I am negative. I know-- just lucky. You have to make your own decision about risks and what you want to do. Do not let others tell you what to do.

Nasty,

Have fun and don't worry about it too much. The fact that you are putting this much thought into your safety is a good sign. It's all about odds/risk management as KM mentioned. Look at the odds and decided what you can tolerate. Personally, I try keep it covered, but I have barebacked more time than I can count and I've yet to catch a sniffle (knock on wood!). If my luck turns sour, then that's a decision I'll have to live with.

I don't have quantitative evidence, but I can assure you the cumulative risk of traveling to a 3rd world country far exceed that of becoming HIV+ from some bareback encounters with a person of unknown status.




There is plenty of good info on-line from various sites in your really looking for some level of detail.



(Message edited by donmarco on November 27, 2004)

I can't believe this. After everything that has been discussed about bare backing.

Please don't do this.

Unless of course you do have a death wish then,

YEEHA!!!!

Can't believe what? telling someone to research facts, the associated risks, and make a decision for themself?

I suppose telling them it's a death wish is thoughtful approach?

I am not suggesting anyone do as I do and have repeatedly said that they make their own INFORMED decisions.

Now shut up and let me get back to my bareback session

Now I know where I saw something about that test. It was on www.bkkescorts.com. These girls offer extra services on completion of a medical exam that takes a few hours and $1000US. I don't know if that includes the fee for both of you getting tested or just for you.
I suppose if you ask the right questions to these girls, you might be able to trick them into telling you who does this test. And, you may find that it is less than what these girls are asking.
Also, these girls may have low activity due to their cost, something like $120US/hour, way above market in that country.
This may not be much help to you, but I have given you what I have. And these other guys have given some good information ( I think one of them is a doctor)
Good Luck.

Yeah -- The stupid one ( me ) who has bareback countless Thai pooying over 20 years is a Doctor. Of course when I started no one had ever heard of HIV-- ahhh the good ole days.

As DM so eloquently stated -- NO ONE is saying there is no risk to bareback sex obviously. On the other hand it is not the instant certified ticket to sudden death that the Innocent among us seem to believe. It is a personal decision. I do not bareback every bargirl that comes along . I try to select those who I think pose a lesser risk. Save the flames - I know you cannot pick and choose and the least likely can still be infected.

Tryer

They charge $1000 for HIV testing ?? -- I find that impossible to believe. Bumrungrad Hospital charges only $15 including the doctors visit with results in 2 hours. I cannot believe that site -I quickly checked it out while writing this- the girls are less attractive than most BGs and charge outrageous prices. A tourist trap for sure. I think the $1000 is also for the "priveledge " of banging her without wrapper. I'd like to meet the sucker that would pay those prices for that talent.

I'd love to hear some real MDs chime in on this one... what is the "odds/probabilities" of catching HIV if you have unprotected vaginal intercourse with a women that has HIV? I remember in a university class they claimed it was three in 10,000, and that the odds of catching HIV if the girl is not known to have HIV and is from the 'civilian' population (e.g. not known to be of any high risk group like pros... say a pick up from a party or bar in the US) is under one in 10 million.

I'd love to get a confirmation or an update on what's correct.

Fellow Mongers
Thanks to all, i got what i really wanted
(not to feel like the only Fool BareBackin)
just recently ..i too have Hit with out a condom... FELT GREAT but the next few days were horrifying!(while i was waiting to see if i caught something)

On my Next Nasty Trip in Feb i will post and we can all have a few drinks ... on me!

Thanks All ....

khun mor:
While it is not foolproof at least it is some assurance to know the girl you are with is HIV -

thats all i was looking for! So where is this Bumrungrad Hospital?


(Message edited by nastyworld on November 27, 2004)

Nasty, the only assurance is that they were hiv - 3 months ago.


FL: odds are around 1:300-1:600 for a male gettin HIV while boning an HIV+ gal. The range is a function of what her viral load at the time.


To calculate the risk of getting it with someone with "unknown" status, you need to approximate what % chance she has HIV. So let's say your screwing a high risk group, of which 10% is infected, then your odds are .0025 (1/400 odds) * .10 (10% likelyhood of infection = .00025 or 1/4000.


For comparisions sake:

odds of getting hit by lightning in your life: 1: 3000

Odds you will die in an airplane crash
1 in 4,000

Odds of dying of a heart disease
1 in 3-- YES <---- 1:3

Most local county clinics in California have free HIV tests and the results and testing are confidential. If you look hard enough, there is probably a service that gives free HIV testing almost every square corner of the US.

With regards to AIDS prevention and the war on AIDS.....All of the money for AIDS research should go to the condom manufacturers to come up with a condom that comes close to replicating bareback sex.....until they do that, education is just not feasible. Durex has made a few models that come close but sex with a condom is about as enjoyable as sticking your dick in the dirt at this point.

Nasty
Just walk up Soi 4 and cross Sukhumvit-- it becomes Soi 3. About three blocks up on the left side of the soi is Bumrungrad Hospital.First class hospital with a huge outpatient dept. No appointment needed. We usually waited only about 15-30 min max to see the doc and get blood testing. Come back in 2 hours and they give you the results.

Blazers

Actually if you add water - the dirt becomes far more pleasurable than wearing a condom.

I agree with KM-- mud is much better than a condom!

Hate to add to this potentially inflammatory issue, but the general consensus of 1 chance in about 500 of infection from an HIV infected woman also varies with the individual male's situation, or so it seems. I remember hearing around 20 years ago that the risk was less for those who were circumcised, something I took with a grain of salt. Then, within the last few months, I saw a study reported where it was indicated the risk may be as much as six or eight times as much if you are not circumcised. I'm not about to accept this research uncritically, but it adds another interesting, and perhaps significant, dimension to this issue.

Indeed, it is difficult for us "lay people" to get a handle on these sorts of issues. For example, contrast the first two stories below with the last one (which I haven't yet read carefully):

http://my.webmd.com/content/article/84/98159.htm?z=1728_00000_1000_ln_02 (includes summary of recent study alluded to above; I can't find the more detailed article I read at the time I first learned about this study)

http://www.denverpost.com/Stories/0,1413,36%257E11676%257E2542230,00.html

http://www.cirp.org/library/disease/HIV/vanhowe4/

Any words of wisdom from the experts on this board?

LAguy,

there are many variables involved-- genetics, viral load, top vs. bottom, health of individual, lunar alignment, cicumcision, etc, etc. I don't necessary buy into most of the geographic type studies that look at hiv infection rates vs. % of pop w/HIV though, as it homogenizes a population along political borders and ingnores societal, cultural, and life styles of sub-populations that may greatly skew results. This is not to say there is not merit to the claim, just the logitician speaking in me (yes I made up the word).

What was impressive though about the Lancet study (at least as far as I studied it) was that there were no significant differences between circumcised and uncircumcised populations in the transmission of other stds (and presumably sexual conduct), but a dramatic difference in HIV transmission. You add to that that there was a theory presented as to why this should be, the study appears to be have more substance to it than simply noting a correlation that could be confounded by other factors.