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Mcdijj --

You back from the land on the missing ?
Good to hear from you again albeit a very short anecdote.

Where ya been ?

The infection your friend got is the reason that Thai people do not eat bread.

Thai yeast is a very nasty agressive strain that seems to survive in the oven .

Khun Mor,

Yes, I read the Centers for Disease Control webpage I cited, did you? I'm really unclear what the point was of your response. You seem to have read things in my post I did not say. Are you saying you can't get HIV from unprotected oral sex? Because my post was intended to "correct" that impression that some members seem to have. And yes, I know vaginal and anal sex are greater risk than oral sex (you'll note in my post if you read it, that I made that statement about vaginal sex).

The "documentation" I mentioned refers to the CDC statement on the webpage. Please look at it again. They refer to "documentation" of transmission of HIV by oral sex. They do not present the documentation, only saying it exists. But then this webpage is NOT intended as a scientific "paper" but is intended for people who unlike you and I (I assume your use of the Thai address "Khun Mor" is based on your professional status), are not medical and scientific professionals but are laypeople so that they may be clearly informed about what many of us in the field already know.

So allow me to expand and reiterate:

Because anal and vaginal sex are much riskier and because most individuals who engage in unprotected (i.e. without a condom) oral sex also engage in unprotected anal and/or vaginal sex, the exact proportion of HIV infections attributable to oral sex alone is unknown, but is likely to be very small. This has led some people to believe that oral sex is completely safe. IT IS NOT.

If some wish to dispute the last paragraph or it's "scientific method or proof", address your inquiries to the CDC. They wrote it, not me.

P.S., Glad to hear you use protection.

"Khun Mor" Sojourner

Sojourner

I am quoting from the very paper you use as "proof" of tramsmission of HIV via oral sex. The paper lists several cases of HIV transmitted " most likely " by oral sex. Note two things --

1 - Several cases out of hundreds of thouands .

2 - Most likely from oral sex. Not exactly proof.


You made the statement in your post--

You can get HIV from oral sex (either fellatio or cunnilingus) and both have been documented, albeit it is a lower risk than vaginal intercourse, but don't take my word or that of anyone else here, read the following position paper by the CDC:

Your above statement talked about " documented cases" that was what I was rebutting. When you read the whole paper --the only cases attributed to oral sex are the several "likely cases." ERGO there are NO "documented" cases by their own admission. I am only attempting to be accurate and correct your impression of what the article really said- I do not encourage unprotected sex. That's up to the individual to do whatever he or she feels comfortable with.

Khun Mor,

1. On your first point, you are rebutting what? I've already agreed twice with you, including in my initial post, that the risk of oral sex is much lower, so I don't feel the need to respond further.

2. On your second point; I don't see anywhere I or the CDC used the term "proof". Most people don't base their risk decisions in life only on proven facts, and that is what is really germaine to the discussion here. If one were to seek unequivocal proof that you can get HIV from oral sex, then one would need to test that by Koch's postulate, which would be an unethical exercise. However, the quote below from the article does say:

(cut & pasted, except for the bracketed phrase added for purely contextual purposes):

"Documented:
Although the risk [of oral-penile transmission] is many times
smaller than anal or vaginal sex,
HIV has been transmitted to
receptive partners through
fellatio, even in cases when
insertive partners didn't
ejaculate ("cum").

Documented:
The risk of HIV transmission
during cunnilingus is extremely
low compared to vaginal and
anal sex. However, there have
been a few cases of HIV
transmission most likely
resulting from oral-vaginal sex.

Documented:
There has been one published
case of HIV transmission
associated with oral-anal sexual
contact."

Note the use of the word "Documented" by the CDC (My God! 3 times even, what are those CDC idiots thinking?). Again not my words, those of the CDC.

Is there absolute proof? Not that I'm aware of, nor did I say there was, nor did the CDC say there was. "Documentation" and "proof" are not the same. For example, there can be compelling, even overwhelming (and documented) evidence, that makes any other means very unlikely, but not proof. Yet it still might be worth taking into consideration that evidence doing a risk assessment. Surprisingly, many things we "know" in medicine and science are not known by "proof", but by a preponderance of compelling data.

Khun Mor,
I know the risk of HIV transmission is high for the person who receives a load of cum in their cunt or rump. This happens because virus traveling with sperm finds rectal tears or uterine tissue, but how much risk is there going the other direction.

Casual contact, such as shaking hands or breathing the same air or kissing, are considered to be an infinitesimal risk. So how does that nasty little virus get through the skin on my pecker. Does it crawl up the uretha until it finds a weak spot?

The blood sucker at the medical lab said it is not very rare that someone contracts HIV from touching blood and HEP C is what they really fear. Also, I have not heard any confirmed case of cops being infected by an AIDs case spitting on them although that was a fear in the early days of the disease.

We also need to recognize that the BUSH administration has appointed public affairs spokesmen at the CDC and they rewrote the condoms section to satisfy the abstinence only nut jobs several years ago.

Perhaps we need to be looking at the New England Journal of Medicine instead.

What's missing from the CDC report is WHICH WAY the HIV was transmitted during oral-genital sex. Kind of important....

Gentlemen,

Please, by all means eat all the pussy you want, the only caveat is EAT IT WITH COMMON SENSE!

Here is the deal on HIV. The entire HIV - AIDS connection is nothing but a HUGE SAC OF BULL SHIT PROPORTED BY THE CDC FOR PROFIT....there, now that the main point has been said, let me tell you without giving up too much of my anomitity that I know what I am talking about due to my lifetime research and work. The connections between HIV and AIDS has NEVER BEEN PROVEN BY ANY SCIENTIFIC STUDY. HIV is a simple retrovirus that has been around since the beginning of time and will be here long after we are gone. It does not destroy white blood cells. It certainly does NOT CAUSE AIDS.

These facts have been the subjects of many a main-stream corporate media TV special that few people have paid enough attention to. I will tell you with certainty, that you will never get AIDS simply from eating or screwing a dirty whore; you might throw up if you find a few peas and carrots there from the last guy, however you will not get AIDS from this.

Does AIDS exist. Yes it most certainly does, but it is not caused by HIV. HIV is simply the marketing structure for government grants and big profits. AIDS is a re-diagnosis of an old disease called leukocytopenia, or simply stated, low white blood cells. This disease has been occuring infrequently since the early 1800's, and was a primary creation then of the industrial revolution. It was re-diagnosed as AIDS at a press conference in 1984 by the CDC and marketed into the AIDS bull shit scare.

Then why have so many people died of AIDS. They have not died of AIDS. Arthur Ash and all the others like him were murdered by the treatments of AIDS; the ultra-toxic "antiretroviral drugs" that are the most potently toxic drugs ever created my man. The why do the come up positive in the blood tests? Research shows that more than half of AIDS testing shows up positive without the presence of HIV. This means that most people walking around with diagnosed AIDS do not have HIV in their bodies. This should say enough, buyt there is more. The test will show up positive if you drugged out the night before with your buddies (coke, pot, alot of booze), but once you dry up if you take the test again it will show up negative. AIDS testing is the biggest scam since pink lemonade., despite the lives the mere test has ruined by its stigma.

Here is a typical model of AIDS; A guy or girl feels toxic and sick so she goes to the doctor. The AIDS test comes up positive. They freak out because of the media calling it a death sentence. If they go on the antiretroviral drugs, they will be dead in less than 6 months. If they do nothing but clean up their acts (eat better, drink pure water, rest, stop recreational drugs and alcohol, stop smoking, decrease stress), they will have a 90% chance of survival. This is not my opinion. This is what happens.

So in conclusion, you can fuck and eat all the dirty whores you want without a condom. It just doesn't matter. You will eventually get sick and may die however if you are already sick and unhealthy on the inside from bad habits you refuse to give up. Excess sexual activity tends to decrease your immune response. Going away and banging 5 whores in a day, 3 times each is pretty enervating for the body, not energizing.

As for my Gay Clubhombre friends (not that there is anything wrong with that!), the reason your culture tends to get AIDS more than any other is the high level of abberent sex, and drug use common in your lifestyles. These two things are the most common causes of AIDS scientifically since after a while of this the bodies immune system gets shot to hell.

Sorry to tell all of the ASS MONGERING clubhombre brotherw whether maricone or directo, but fucking in the ass is not a healthy thing to do. Over time this type of fucking causes enervation, depleted immunity and therefore more disease. Ask any ass whore if she truly likes it after 5 years..........................you will not get AIDS from fucking her in the ass (if you live a generally clean lifestyle), but she has a very high risk of coming down with it if she keeps it up.

Also, if she gets fucked in the ass and then blows you..........well thats just fuckin gross. How can anyone think that can be healthy?

Oh well, enough of my lecture. Hope this helps you all. Remember that most of what you hear from the CDC and main stream medical media is total bull shit. You will live a lot healthier life if you do.

SP

It's always refreshing to see a screwball rant from a conspiracy theorist. Thanks for sharing,citizen, I'll pass it on to the Bilderberg Group for confirmation.

Your cat calling is not necessary. We're all friends here so grow up.

I am certainly qualified to make these assertions, and if you look a few feet beyond your nose you will see that many reputable Ph.D's (Peter Duesberg) and MD's (Robert Root Burnstein) throughout the past two decades have been trying to wake the public up. By all means, make you own choices however, and live in the manufactured paranoia if you so choose. If you wish to debate this topic in open forum here I am ready and willing. Produce some CDC research papers on the subject on how HIV causes AIDS and we will begin. Also, produce some research that concludes that if you have HIV you definately have AIDS, and if you have AIDS you definately will have HIV in your system. According to Koch's Postulates and the Scientific Method you may have learned in Junior High (were you paying attention?), in science the exception IS THE RULE.

Please do not waste my or anyone else's time here though if you really don't have anything scientific to add. Prove yourself of shut-up.

Thanks,
SP

Going one step further, if anyone wants to keep and open mind and actually learn something new, here are some resources to back - up some of the actual science of which I speak;

Rethinking AIDS: The Tragic Cost of Premature Consensus more books like this
by Robert Scott Root-Bernstein

Honey, Mud, Maggots and Other Medical Marvels more books like this
by Robert Bernstein, Robert Root-Bernstein, Michele Root Bernstein

Infectious AIDS: Have We Been Misled?
Peter Duesberg's research web site.
Category: AIDS/HIV > Alternative Views
www.duesberg.com - More from this site - Save

Scientific Papers- Duesberg on AIDS
Infectious AIDS - Have We Been Misled? This is the official HIV/AIDS research from the University of California Berkeley, Department of Molecular and Cell Biology. This contains the written research works of Professor Peter H. Duesberg on the ... By Peter H. Duesberg Ph.D. Duesberg, P., Koehnlein, C ... (Current Science 85: 117-118) Duesberg, P. H. and Rasnick, D ...www.duesberg.com/papers -


HIV & AIDS - VirusMyth AIDS WebSite - Science Section
... the most important whistle blowers is Dr. Peter Duesberg, professor of molecular and cell biology at the ... After studying the AIDS literature, Duesberg started questioning HIV in 1987 ...www.virusmyth.net/aids/whistleblowers.htm - 19k - Cached - More from this site - Save
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HIV & AIDS - Peter Duesberg
Rethinking AIDS: A growing group of scientists claim HIV - the AIDS virus - is harmless, AIDS is not contagious, and medication is dangerous. ... INDEX. Peter Duesberg. Peter Duesberg Ph.D. is Professor of Molecular and Cell Biology at the University of California at ...www.virusmyth.net/aids/index/pduesberg.htm

Anybody can make claims to "be qualified" on the internet. You can be whatever you want. However, even if someone wanted to take you at face value, you make statements in your original post that belie your claims of legitimacy, therefore leading those of us who are not your friends to believe that you are nothing but screwball #1,237 that we've seen pop up on this board over the years. After ranting subjectively about non-scientific issues related to anal sex lovers and gay men, you then state in your next post that if someone has nothing scientific to add, they should shut up. This leads me to believe that it would benefit everyone if you followed your own advice and did just that.

Jese! You guys should just calm the fuck down! You are taking this shit way too seriously! You two obviously have quite a problem with people who think differently from you.

Inquiring minds always ask "why" first. Simple minds are quick to criticize.

Could I give a shit less if you took the blue or red pill? Stay asleep. My life goes on very well.

This information has been out in the public for over 20 years. You should read the sites I have provided for your own benefit before you draw such narrow minded conclusions. You call me and all the other scientists screwballs for ranting a few lines of something that obviously challenges you, but you probably have done nothing further than watch the evening news with a beer in hand for your own personal research.

I am happy to help anyone who actually wants to ask some intelligent questions of me on this subject from my inbox. I can see that the distractions to common sense are going to make discussing this in open forum a total waste of time, so this will be my last post on this topic.

Be well, and enjoy eating pussy!
SP

Hunterman,

The CDC report I cited did distinguish between "Oral-penile" (i.e. fellatio) transmission and cunnilingus (or oral-vaginal) transmission, and in fact, that's the part I cut and pasted in the last post I made above. However, for those looking for more detail, I agree that the article didn't provide much information, other than stating that the risk for both is lower than penile-vaginal or penile-anal sex.

Stevepenmen,

The entire HIV/AIDS research community is well aware of the Duesberg theories, and the overwhelming majority discount them. However you don't have to search very hard to see the prevailing arguments against their position and the statements you've made, with a simple Google Search.

Much as I'd love to cut and paste the zillion refutes of Duesberg, I'll just pass on one, too large to post here, for people to read. It addressed most of the allegations you've listed. For example, Koch's postulates #1 & #2 have been satisfied, but unless you're willing to volunteer to be injected with HIV, and then allow us to attempt to recover it from you, it's not so easy (or ethical) to satisfy #3 and 4. Still, there is limited data, that is consistent with satisfying #3 and 4, including 3 cases of people accidentally injected purified HIV that developed early symptoms before undergoing antiretroviral therapy.

Check it out: http://www.avert.org/evidence.htm

The thing that has perhaps been so sad about Duesberg and his followers, is that President Mbeke in South Africa has been a follower, and has therefore not been the advocate for HIV treatment that that country sorely needs. Despite the efforts of many others in South Africa, that country continues to suffer horribly from the disease. Anyone who has been involved in trying to promote HIV awareness, testing, prevention and/or treatment in South Africa can confirm this.

Stevepenmen, I'm not going to badmouth you, I respect your right to believe as you wish. But I hope you will at least read some of the arguments against Duesberg, as I have read Duesberg's arguments for his position.

Sojourner,

Thanks for your courteous message. Worth a reply even though I said I was done.

I have read it all, believe me, and did check what you provided just in case. Of course they discredit Duesberg; too much money and profit at stake. I too respect your right to believe as you wish, however all the bad mouthing about the followers of Duesberg, of which I obviously am, (much of the bad mouthing comes from that idiot Anthony Fauchi at the CDC) has failed to answer Duesbergs and many others obvious and most simple questions. Primarily, how can HIV cause AIDS if it cannot be found in the blood of more than half the population walking around with AIDS, confirmed and diagnosed by popular methods? Fauchi says (I have spoken with him directly due to my work) that the virus must be laying dormant. This is total nonsense.

When you understand the workings of pharmaceutical-medical monopoly cartel crap, you begin to see how deep this shit runs. Very deep pockets into many a politicians bank account.

Much as I'd love to cut and paste the zillion refutes of HIV causing AIDS, I too usually get paid pretty well to present this info. So I agree it is all too much for this venue.

But you are an intelligent gentlemen, and I appreciate your feedback. I have worked with over 100 AIDS patients, using natural remedies with great success. This is why I am at where I am at. Research can only take you so far; actual experience is really where you learn what is going on, but I understand this is just not possible for everyone to harness. From this stance, it is good to get all the info and then make your own choice, as it appears you have.

Good luck!

SP

Does anybody have any scientific papers about crabs?

Not that I have them or anything like that. I was just wondering outloud.

Jag

Jag,

This should be helpful. Crabs are actually a form of louse parasite. In order to get them one must mingle pubes with one who has them so they can jump onto you. They are pretty big and can be seen crawling around your...........ya know...........pretty gross.

Good to go with shaved gals, although you never know about their heads.

SP

STDs: Crabs and Pubic Lice Treatment
An overview of how to test and effectively treat pubic lice. ... every year in the United States alone. Genital crabs can be contracted through unprotected sex, sex with ... towels, and clothing. Though genital crabs are not a serious health threat ...www.epigee.org/health/crabs_treatment.html

I am calm, Mr. whatever you are. You are the one using all the exclamation points. You can throw out all the banal statements you want about intelligent minds and simple minds, but they are meaningless. You managed in your entire post to completely avoid the issues I raised about your original post. It is obvious you are not able to engage in intelligent discourse, but you are quite capable of proseltyzing your beliefs. So again, I ask you, what is so scientific about your theories on anal sex, gay men, and "aberrent" behavior?

Oh, I'm sorry, I guess you're done posting about this matter. That is the best thing I've seen you post so far.

Murasaki,

Thanks for being calm. You bring up a point that can benefit all, so I can take a few minutes for this.

Listen bud, this is not rocket science. One does not need a library of research papers to understand that anal sex is abberant, or better said, not normal, or offensive to the human body. Since you asked, here is how it works;

1) Dick goes in ass ( with gays, god knows what else goes up there as well). This brings up an interesting first point. Your ass (smooth and other varying muscles which comprise it , striations all supporting things going in the out direction) is designed for things to go OUT! Yes, I shout so you get the point. You need a lot of lube to get your dick up that ass. The reason for this is obviously the muscle structure of the ass does not support things going in that direction.

2) If you haven't already noticed, what tend to come out of your ass naturally is digusting, microbe infested and otherwise toxic stuff that needs to come out of your body called SHIT!

3) Fucking in the ass, since it is abnormal, causes irritaions of the ass lining due to the friction and force from thrusting.

4) These irritations create tears, however small, in the walls of the rectum and anas. These small tears expose capillaries. Next time the SHIT comes pouring out of the overstrecthed ass that has just been fucked, the microbes from the SHIT infiltrate the exposed capillaries. This places microbes that should be going out of your body in the SHIT right back into your blood stream.

5) The body works hard to remove these microbes by alerting your immune system and working hard. Aside from the micorbes, micro pieces of the SHIT also infiltrates your capillaries, and large and highly toxic proteinaceous waste also over-taxes the immune system.

6) You like the addictive sensation of fucking in the ass, so you do it more and more. This further overtaxes your immune system which was not designed to work this hard.

7) You take some fun drugs to make the experience all the more exciting. Further causes assults on the immune system.

8) You get sick.............oh gee, I wonder why?!

9) You go to a main stream medical professional and find out you test positive for AIDS. Your immune system is extremely compromised and needs healing and rest, but instead, you get antiretroviral drugs which place a death sentence on it.

10) You're dead.

End of story.

Hope this sums it up for you . It is pretty much common sense and does not take a genius to understand. If you like ass fucking, so be it! You are and adult, make your own choices and see where they lead you. It is my wish that you fair well.

SP

So how did all of the people with AIDS die back in the 80's before AZT and other drugs became available? How about the ones in Africa and elsewhere who die today? They aren't taking any medications because they don't have any.

People have been ass-fucking since we were apes running around the savannahs in Africa and Asia. Why did these new non-HIV related symptoms starting showing up en mass 25 years ago? People have had shitty immune systems since forever, but strange sarcomas and the like that are associated with AIDS were rarely seen before the late 70's.

It is really really difficult, but I'm not going to say anything.

Those terrible drugs you're talking about have allowed many people to live relatively symptom free for years after they would have been dead w/o the drugs. My physician friend tells me he has a female patient who has been HIV+ for 15 years - he said she takes the drugs religiously and appears "healthy as a horse."

The worst side effect of the drugs is to one's wallet. They are supposedly very expensive. If you're Magic Johnson, you can afford them along with overall great medical care. If you're a poor South African, you cannot (unless your country allows patent infringement and gives them to you).

Cat,

I have not been fucking apes in the ass in Africa or Asia!!

I assume you're referring to MBL.

Jag

Catocony:

They were dying of what they were dying of before the AIDS thing became a THING. Leucocytopenia. There are many things in Africa which deplete the immune system - primarily, living conditions are unsanitary and pretty shitty; water is pretty bad as well.

You seem to know about this Ape ass fucking, but I am not familiar with any of the historical significance of the ass -fucking culture and how it relates to general health of Apes or Humans, so I cannot comment. If the point you are trying to make is that it is normal, I have to still dis-agree from a purely scientific and physiological frame of reference. Sure, Apes and Men can see a hole in their body and shove something up it. It may even feel good in some ways. Does that mean it is normal physiologically? The after effects of such actions tell all, and that is where science comes in. In real science, there is no room for BS. Things either happen or they do not.

Elgrancombo:

You all may have guessed by now that I am a Physician as well. These people you speak of that have AIDS and are living symptom free, I have to say I am not aware of after 25 years in practice in the Bay area. I have naturally treated a lot of Gay men with success and no drugs, so I cannot comment on this. If your Physician friend has some stats on AZT success stories I would be happy to review them. Up to now the whole AZT thing has been kept pretty quiet for lack of such results nationwide. Ask your pal if he/she beileives AZT and the like are safe and non-toxic.

By the way, Magic Johnson is a very interesting case. I can not find anything anywhere that says he is taking these toxic drugs I have ranted about. Thus far all I can find says;

"Johnson has been taking protease inhibitors, which reduce illnesses and lengthen life in some patients"

Protease inhinitors are not antiretroviral drugs. In another interview Johnson said this;

"At that time [I was diagnosed HIV positive], we had only one [drug]: AZT," he said. "Now we have 22. The reason I am doing well is because of the drugs."

Something tells me he never took AZT, or did not take it for very long.

Perhaps your Physician pal is not talking about AZT like drugs either. I know there are other less toxic drugs on the market now and they are extremely expensive, and many insurance companies (HMO's) will not cover them. Some of the cheaper HMO's will cover AZT, and this is curious.

Magic goes on to say in many of these interviews how he has cleaned up his life through diet, decreased stress, is meditating......the whole natural thing. It also helps to be a multi-millionaire.

Also, this patent infringement of which you speak is a very real problem for the third world contries we visit. The supposed Free Trade Agreements are nothing more than contracts that prevent these countries from developing afforable good drugs for their people; they have to buy them through a US Pharmaceutical giant at a high price or not receive them. Interestingly enough, my GFE in Panama is at her grandmother's funeral as I write since she could not afford the antibiotics she needed to get over pneumonia and bronchitis. She was 78. I was under the assumption Panamanians could get their drugs for free if they cannot afford them but I guess I was mistaken.

To add onto the whole ass-fucking thing. Gentlemen, the thing you must remember is the diagnostic term
"Septicemia." This is a systematic infestation of bacteria and other organisms in the blood due to toxicity. When you leave the garbage outside your house for too long, rat infestation is not too far away. The rats will not go away until you remove that garbage. Even if you kill those rats, others will soon follow. Similarly, clean up your blood and the bugs will have nothing further to eat. This is all AIDS is; a polluted circulatory system to the point of immune system exhaustion.

Ulcerative colitis, chronic swollen hemorrhoidal veins, or chronically poking your finger or some else's dick in your ass will all produce some level of Septicemia. Over time with chronic abuse of these venues, you will get sick, mark my word. You may think your sickness is coming from someplace else, and other bad habits you have in your life may certainly not be helping; but the constant open door from the irritations in your rectum and anas to your circulatory system are a major factor in the production of disease. Any Physican will agree with that.

If your friends patient is doing well on the AIDS drugs she is taking, God bless. It has been my experience however, that this type of remedy will not last long with AIDS. If she does not do something quickly to remedy the real cause of the problem, her toxicity, it will eventually consume her. The drugs are not the answer or the cure; they are only delaying the enivitable. I would also bet everything I own that she would do far better, over time, if she cleaned up her diet and followed a more natural protocol, eventually coming off all drugs. I have seen this happen many times. If you look at what is happening today, people who do not take AZT live longer, and AIDS is no longer a death sentence.

SP

Haven't posted in ages as I've been "retired" for some time now.

I have been involved in AIDS/HIV treatment and research here in San Diego at the Owen Clinic at UCSD for 14 years.

What Stevepenpan is saying is understood as true by many of the staff physicians. It is never spoken of in clinic or on campus.

It would jeapardize the job of anyone who even hints that AIDS can be present without HIV infection.

Although we all know it's true and documented.

I am not prepared to present footnoted research, although there are reams of it.

I would just like to support his statements relative to AIDS/HIV and encourage everyone to continue to please be careful.

It's a fun hobby, as I remember, but can have some pretty nasty consequenses... ;) I logged over 30 years in the hobby since I was 19 touring SEA with the USN.

PS Steve, I am also interested to trade and share info about integrative treatments for patients in these categories. Pm me.

Thanks,

Mr Innocent

Phewwwwwwwwwwwwww! Finally someone is actually awake here! Thanks for your comments.

I have had the good fortune of being the guy that heals people after medicine has failed them, and we all know that body count is quite high. Thusly, my practice has been referral base from this stance, and I can say and do whatever I want without the fear of loosing my job, becasue this is what people come to me for in the first place. I lecture nationally on the topic of medical frauds (vaccines, AIDS, cancer.......the list is endless), and generally I am preaching to the choir. Every once and a while I attempt to educate the brain washed masses to see if a few more can be saved......morpheus types and maybe 1 or 2% more can actually hear the message in venues like this. But I am in the business of saving lives, and one more makes all the difference in the world to me despite the howling of the gorillas from the surrounding trees (from what I have learned from the replies of this post, many of them are ass-fucking right now!)

Anyway, this has been fun. I would like to drive home the point with this web site, if anyone is still listening;

www.mercola.com/townofallopath/index.htm

Peace,
SP

when i go on mongering, the last thing i wanna do
is go down on a woman whos been screwed by the
hole nation.
its a fact.. I chose her to give me pleasure,
besides why would I stick my tongue, where
every dick has made his mark.

Stevepenmen -
Thanks for that great link!

No problemo! My pleasure to educate.

So much of keeping away from sexual diseases is just plain common sense. The SDS thing is so overplayed, and all for profit. Yet, I too would never go down on a girl in which I thought my dick might disintegrate by fucking; you know, the kind who is like the village bicycle in which Austin Powers says everyone has had a ride. .........the kind who may just melt the condom......I tend to stay away from street whores for this very reason.....to dirtyl, and not because they are filled with so called "germs" that might get me sick; but just because they usually fucking gross.

If you read through this previous link on AIDS you can read for yourself about what BS it is. Also, search the internet for the references I gave earlier.

SP

I'm thinking Stevepenmen is "Dr West" from Roadaceuticals trying to convince everybody it's safe to not use a condom as long as you are reasonably healthy.
Tapping into a potentially lucrative subset of the population.
In fact, Stevepenmen may even be THE O'Brien of the Inner Party.

Not to under-play the seriousness of STDs...I think one should really assess their mongering environment and use more caution in areas where the whores take a high volume pounding.

I too like to go down on women...I enjoy giving them pleasure because then they are more apt to reciprocate...but I'll be a little more hesitant to go down on a pro that I've just met as compared to a woman (pro or not) that I've known for a longer period. In otherwords, I feel them out to get an indication of how often they fuck, what their hygiene habits are, and how likely they are to demand that a guy suite-up. (I cringe at the thought of lapping-up some other guy's load).

I do most my fucking in Panama. There professional prostitution is legal and women are medicallly tracked. The women I know and fuck will fuck perhaps one guy a day or every other day. I suppose they could get a busy day and get fucked maybe 3-times, but in my estimate that would be high-end.

Thought I usually suite-up...sometimes condoms break...especially the Panamanian brands in the MPs.

Over the past 10-years, I'd estimate I've had perhaps 20 condoms break on me. Perhaps I was just lucky...but I never caught a STD in Panama and I get checked for HIV every year.

However, when I was mongering an AC I caught the clap one-time and NSU a year later...though this was in the early 90s and then I was young and dumb suiting-up only half the time.

But, if you are in a high tourism fuck zone where the hookers fuck 8 or more guys in a day...if the prostitution where you are at is not government regulated and the women are not routinely medically checked...if you notice you are in an area where intravenous drug use is prevalent...suiting-up IMHO is a must...an lap at their pussy at your own risk.

On the other-hand...if you are exploring the rainforest in search of butterflies and encounter a tribe of naked Amazon women who have never seen a white man...take a free-bee as their conqueror...eat their pussies and then bang them all bareback. Then continue catching butterflies with no worries.

AJ

hei Stevepenmen..
I like your arguementing style..
you are very passionate.
I personally, would never fuck a woman in the ass, and I never did.
Vaginal sex still works very good for me.

Ass sex tend to be for........well, asses!

I guess, people who like anal sex..
should stay away from vaginalsex.

c'mon sense, you stick your dick in wasteland of bacteria..

what has this world come to ?

I will emerse my dick in pussy bacteria over ass bacteria any day of the week! Just my choice.........I try to stay away from those girls that shit out of their vagina. It may give you some piece of mind as well to know that one was made for the dick to go in and the other for shit to come out.........just a thought.......

Just revisited this thread, and although I don't have any objection to Stevepenmen presenting his views on the cause of AIDS, as I think anyone has the right to speak their mind regardless of the accuracy of what may be said, I do think it's important for people to understand that those views (and those of Duesberg and his followers) aren't supported by the majority of scientists in the field. Frequency of posts on this website hardly constitutes a scientific consensus. I also don't have the time, quite frankly, to make the effort to get into a extended posting argument on every point made here, particularly since the Duesberg assertions are well refuted elsewhere.

If people are really questioning that HIV causes AIDS, I'd strongly recommend they go to http://www.sciencemag.org/feature/data/cohen/cohen.dtl to review the arguments that have been compiled by the broader scientific community against each of the points that have been made above on this assertion. Anyone who is in a scientific field can tell you that Science magazine is a mainstream science paper with broad recognition for it's credibility.

Another reputable source providing numerous references disputing this minority view is the National Institutes of Health at http://www3.niaid.nih.gov/news/focuson/hiv/resources/. Although the claim has been made that the NIH is "biased" because it is so heavily invested in HIV/AIDS research, many of the references cited come from many other well respected sources.

And lastly, numerous references and articles discounted this view are presented at http://www.aidstruth.org. If nothing else, I recommend that persons that believe this alternative view of the causative nature of HIV at least read the NY Times editorial on the first page of this website. I think it's very valuable to see what a disservice the proponents of these views have done to the AIDS sufferers in many parts of the world, especially in places like South Africa which is now so ravaged by the disease.

Again, no objections to alternative viewpoints, but the CH website is really not an adequate place to have a scientific discussion, particularly when the expertise and qualifications of individuals here cannot be confirmed or verified, due to the anonymous nature of the posters. Should you decide your mongering behavior can reflect the view that HIV does not cause AIDS, I believe you present a serious risk to yourself and, should you become infected yourself, to others, that you should at least be aware of.

Sojourner---you sound like you know what you are talking about. My question is how likely is it to become infected if a man has sex with say 10 or 15 pros without wearing a condom? Let say he is circumcised and has no known stds.

Rhino

I see 3 links in Sojourner's post. There exists the possibility that they may have the info that you are looking for.

Can you get infected? Yes.
Will you get infected? I don't know.
Should you bareback? No, but, Up to you.

HIV is BAD. Other nasties out there too. You can get girl preggers. BB feels good, REALLY GOOD.

Do what you want but don't expect to get permission and assurances from a prostitution discussion and advocacy board. Get informed and make your own decision.

Here's an interesting Eating Pussy Phenomena;

I just got back from Panama and have two steady Novias I fuck on alternate weeks. Both love the pussy munch.

I have noticed they taste exactly the same! I refuse to eat whore pussy; just way to skanky to think about. But I have eaten my share in this lifetime, and I have noticed that they taste different in different parts of the world. Most likely due to diet, pollution? Probably a lot of factors. Euro and Amero pussy taste similar, and unfortunately are amongst the worst I have tasted. I understand that the standard "tuna taco" smell comes from a yeast infection or just lack of hygiene. If you're down on a woman and you see that white foam, ABORT.......ABORT! That is a yeast ferment!

Spanish pussy in central america has its own kink of sweaty - salty flair to it. One Novia is 23 and does not like to wear panties, and on those hot days things get pretty balmy down there. But if I'm horney I'll jump right into her burger with my tongue, and it really is pretty good! Go figure?

So you ate your favorita raw, without her cleaning up, after she had been walking around Panama City all day, but you won't eat puta pussy because it's too skanky?

Whilst we are on this i must admit i have eaten plenty of pussy`s,

The only health problem i have had is a sore throat, which go`s away after a couple of days in the land of mary poppins.

In keeping with good taste (every pun intended) a little wafe of smell is ok, BEYOND that tho it's off the menu!
Apparently, as in the animal kingdom, some folks sense of smell is not as honed as others!

Cat - not eating Puta pussy is always the wise mans choice. I'm pretty certain that whilst I am around anyway, I am the only one banging my GFE. I've never had the displeasure of going down on a puta only to find that the odd smell comes from the last dudes jis....thank goodness for common sense!

That spanish pussy just has an aroma to it I prefer. I like to eat and fuck my girl right before I take the plane home; then I try not to wash for a few days and just keep sniffin.........
aaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh, memories!

p.s. - Cat - If she can walk around PC in the heat w/o panties and still be good enough to eat RAW (mmmmmmmmmm good), the point should be taken that she is pretty clean.

I hate to bring this up, but in places like brazil how many guys do you think have dumped a load bareback in that pussy you are eating. I don't want to ruin anyones experience, but think about it. At 4x4 - dining before 4pm should be ok, but after that and you are probably doing the buffet.

Montro,

When was the last time a termas garota didn't shower and douche before a session? Seriously, this is a thread for morons to be sure, but statements like that - hygiene is excellent in the termas, as it has to be due to the relative amount you pay for a program there. R$25 garota at VM or 24 Uruguaina or other low-end spots? Probably not, but at a full termas? I've never once had a trace of stinkbox at any major termas.

What's 69 + 69?

Dinner for four.

CFK

Whats a 68?

She does you and you owe her one.

Iswal,

good one

89 is 69 with a fat girl!

CFK

I can do this...

What's the square-root of 69?

8-something

AJ

Hey AJ! How ya doin buddy? Its been too long,
Elim