When I first joined this site, I noticed that everyone seems to use Viagra, Cialis and/or Levitra. The thought came to mind that probably the majority of people on this site were over 55 who were experiencing some type of impotence. Indeed, the causes of impotence are diabetes, hypertension, atherosclerosis, renal failure, heart disease, etc. just to name a few. All these conditions seem to be more prominent in males over 55.

However, it became soon apparent that many guys here are under the age of 45 and feel the need to take a drug for impotence. Recently, I saw one trip report where a 26 year old male stated that he had taken some Viagra on his trip.

The most disgraceful aspect is that there are doctors on this website who sit there casually reading this material without questioning the logic of taking these drugs at such an early stage in life. They seem to chime in the second there is any mention of health and drugs, but when it comes to PD5 inhibitors there is no challenge or chorus.

So I am here today to burst everyone's bubble. If you are in your 20s and in relatively good shape, the only effect that these pills will have on you is psychological. In fact, if your under 45 and in good shape, the main effect these pills will have is psychological.

Taking Viagra when you are not impotent is like taking some Arthritis medication when you dont have Arthritis.

These pills will only improve blood flow to the penis. If your having circulatory problems and under 45, then we need to get you out on the track. Maybe introduce you to the Nutrisystem and Dan Marino.

I first started hooker humping at the age of 40, and at about the time Viagra apeared on the market. I found occasional problems with losing an erection after several minutes of thrusting and parrying. I suspect it is more due to using a condom, than circulation difficulties. I am thin, excercise a great deal, and my medical exams indicate excellent health.

I am nearly 48 but very fit and healthy. I have never had trouble with erections, except on a couple of occasions where circumstances did not help. I have tried Cialis twice but found it made little difference.

Saying that in the last year I have found that in a longer session (1hr +) or in a multi session where I have to change condoms, it is getting more difficult to maintain an erection, especially when using a condom, or the girl is not smoking hot or sexy.

So I am going to experiment with Viagra/Penagra/Levitra etc. on my next trip to see if it helps.

I do play around with a concoction of vits and sups. including recently Myoplex which has had interesting results which I have yet to report on.

There was an article serveral years ago in the LA Times about porno actors over 30 taking Viagra. The 30 + or - actors were taking Viagra to keep up with the 20 year olds. They viewed as a quality control issue so that they could pop on a more predictable basis.

Very funny article if you could find it to read.

MM

"These pills will only improve blood flow to the penis."

That doesn't sound like a psychological effect to me.

I've been mongering since I was 26 (I am 32 now), and take a pill when I'm going for about my 4th or 5th time in a single day. I find that hydration and nutrition are what I need throughout the day so that I can continue to produce a healthy volume of semen, but for strong erections at that point the pill helps me out.

But that's just me. Erections are affected by a multitude of factors including heart rate, circulation, general health, genetics, amount of rest, psychology, libido, etc. that it's perhaps a bit simplistic to say that anyone under a certain age is only getting a mental boost from the pill. So I respectfully disagree, but it's an interesting topic so thanks for the post!

LM

The main thing, I believe, that effects an erection is psychology. Its all in your head. Of course, there is a certain point in life where no amount of psychology is going to help you out.

If your young and healthy, these pills should have little to no effect. The greatest effect will come from the psychological aspect.

I wanted to add this one thing to the conversation.

I have found Creatine to be better then any of the pills. I have worked out with Creatine off and on for years. When Im cycling on Creatine, I usually gain 20-30 pounds and get a lot stronger. I have never been able to military press 200 lbs (weight lifted straight over your head) until I went on Creatine. As well, it seems like my erections are stronger when I am going through a cycle.

Is the use of Creatine directly related to strong erections? Is it physchological? I dunno, I never conducted any statistical experimentation. However, I am more confident in my appearance and can work out much harder. The women also seem to prefer a more muscular appearance. As well, the added strength increases my confidence in safety that I can better handle myself in a tense situation.

Are there negative side effects of its use? Do your own due diligence in that regard on google. I have not had any problems. Actually, the biggest problem was that I was taking on too much water, thats it.

When I am cycling on creatine I notice that the gain in my muscle is significant but mostly water and not as solid as natural muscle gain. Creatine is more useful in that your recovery time is better and I can have longer workouts. The only problem is that it wreaks havoc on your liver if used for long periods of time from what I have read and I notice that I cramp a bit more no matter how much water I drink.

How it relates to erection is probably minimal but working out for longer periods of time does help in your sex drive. I dont have problems getting it up any more but when I am on vacation, I am on marathon sex runs that I dont normally do during my normal life. In order to help that endurance, Cialis absolutely rules. The other drugs are way too strong and not necessary but Cialis lasts for 36 hours and is very mild. It basically gives you hard-on on command. I can fuck an extra three times a day with the stuff. The best natural supplement is L-Arginine in that it is an amino acid that helps generate semen much faster after dumping loads. If you want to shoot Peter North loads on your dates tits, this supplement is the best.

Dan Marino has publicly stated that the Nutrisystem will improve your sex life. If Dan Marino states this is a fact, then it cant be wrong.

I have another version of the Nutrisystem. There are these frozen health dinners at the store. They go under different names like Smartones, but are all the same in that they are low in calories. Each one goes for 2-4 dollars. You eat 3 of these each day and you will lose weight.

The idea behind the Nutrisystem is measured balanced containerized meals eaten at a schedule versus the old fashioned way of eating what you want when you want.

I use creatine regularly too for weight training. I have seen no benefits myself on the sexual front, but for sure it has helped with my training regime.

I agree with Blazers on L-Arginine, I use this as part of my weight training regime, but do find it helps (when combined with zinc) as well on the sexual side.

This is my current list of supplements which I take for weight training and have noted those which I believe help on my mongering trips too.

Sida Cordafilia (which helps keep me awake when I am partying and whoring all night!)

Creatine (No hobbying benifits for me)

L Carnitine (No hobbying benifits for me)

L arginine (good for semen load)

Zinc (good for semen load)

Tongat Ali - Natural testosterone enhancer (Which helps with energy and supposedly sex drive)

Ginseng (good for energy and general health)

Mult-Vits

When I monger in addition to the above which I take mainly for weight training, I am now taking OGOPLEX which extends the period of you orgasm, which I have found has some interesting effects!

I bought one small bottle of Ogoplex and did not see any effects. I took it exactly as was directed per the instructions on the bottle and, well, nothing. I didnt see any effect at all. I thought it was worth a try for $20.

Popping a pill (versus keeping yourself in good shape) will always be the preferred method for any health reason because its the easy way out. Working out regularly, dieting, getting a good nights sleep, etc. take time and effort to accomplish. One hundred years ago, there were many medicine men who offered cures for just about everything and that spawned the birth of the FDA. However, the medicine men of yesterday have been reincarnated once again pawning off pills and formulas for erections.

From what I have read from professional porn stars, the single best method for a good load is simply abstaining from sex for a week or two.

In some cases, some of these pills might make you very sick. I know that Viagra can have some very negative effects on men who take nitrates. In regards to the drug companies, they are only going to advertise good things about their products. They will not advertise the negative effects or their true effectiveness on a certain age group. For example, they wont advertise that Viagra doesnt work with 20 year olds. They want everyone buying the drug, period.

If you want your system to work well, then treat it right with good sleep, dieting, exercise, avoidance of bad habits (cigarettes, alcohol, etc). Buying pills from the new age medicine men is not the answer.

More 'wisdom' from the village idiot about the effect of boner biscuits being placebos. If you don't need them, well, GOOD FOR FUCKING YOU! And yes, if our cocks all indeed do explode in 20 years or so from using ED drugs before absolutely necessary, you will indeed have done us a valuable service by imparting your medical expertise, surely honed by years of lab research and study. What in d HELL would any of us on this board do without you and Dan FUCKING Marino?

Saw a TV ad for the fact that Cialis is offering a "free trial" and that if you don't like it they'll pay for a similar amount of a competitor pill. Don't know the specifics, but I thought you all would be interested in trying to follow that up.

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Man I would love to have read IE's response on that one with Porker coming back from his trip gunzablazin'. Let the fireworks begin.

Have any of you guys heard of problems with drinking while taking Cialis,is there a potential risk?

dont fall forwards - you may harm your hard on

I don't think you can make a blanket statement saying no one in their 20's either needs to take, or benefits from viagra or other ED enhancers. Although I agree they are much less likely to benefit from them, we're talking about individuals and unless you're either that individual or their personal physician, you're not in a position to say whether or not they should take them.

From my own experience, they are not always needed and when taken, they don't always help. I'm not 20-something, but I can tell you no amount of viagra in the world helped me toward the end of my marriage with my ex-wife, I just had no interest in boning her even if I could have gotten a woodie with her after abstaining for a couple weeks. On the other hand, I never need it with my current thai gf, even going 3-4 times a day, because she just "does it" for me, to the point in fact where she gets annoyed at me somewhat often. No, I can't necessary ejaculate that many times a day, but that just means she gets as long a ride as she wants, much to her enjoyment ;). I don't waste the money taking them with her. In between those two extremes, when I'm out sowing my oats, there are times when I do clearly benefit from the drugs, particularly if I'm in an opportunity where I'm looking to do multiple rounds in a given day with new encounters. Bottom line, is that there are going to be some situations and some people where they work great, and some where they are like pissing in the wind, but ultimately it's an individual thing.

The only risky combination I have heard of is nitrates and Cialis. Wikipedia has a good write-up on it.

I think there might be a small minority of guys who believe that they feel some effect from Cialis or may have health problems to justify it. When I was in my teens and 20s, I was up for sex just about all the time with just about any woman. I have calmed down since, but its not because my sexual energy has decreased or my ability to have an erection has gone away.

I see it like this. We all start out with Milwaukees Best or some other starter beer. As we grow older, our tastes mature into the finer liquors. Today, we cant even look at a Milwaukees Best like we could in the old days. Its not because we dont like alcohol anymore, its simply because our tastes have matured and it takes something that tastes better to give us motivation.

I will admit that my response to Porker was inappropriate and the moderator had every right to throw it out. I can get out of line at times with choice phrases when I feel someone is antagonizing and harassing myself. My job dictates that I use such tactics and so that is how I am used to handling situations. Driving around in a cheap Chevy all day in rough neighborhoods lends itself to such tactics.

However, Porker's language and choice of words on this board can sometimes be like wild fire. Ultimately, this type of behavior is not friendly to Hombre or the moderators. They are the ones that incur the legal liability. All it takes is for someone to get pissed off, file a lawsuit and then serve a subpoena on Hombre for Porkers real name and info.

So I apologize to Hombre and his moderators if my language and behavior was out of line in anyway. I am big enough of a man to admit when I am in the wrong. I dont think I can say the same for Porker and his crew.

Cannot file a libel suit for truth or opinion and even some truth's are not libel per se and do not warrant a suit. Any suit for libel or slander based on someone's opinion on a discus board would be thrown out and the Plaintiff would incur all of the costs and attorney's fees...been there done that.

You can file a suit, get a subpoena, get the information you need as a part of discovery and then have the suit dismissed. . .the judge never sees the subpoena and the person on the website is none the wiser unless the web operator informs the user and the user files a motion to quash. The motion to quash is the only weapon against the subpoena.

Thats how Jim Cramer gets the information on the operators of all those websites which portray his likeness. Cramer dismisses the lawsuit, but then uses the information to send a fairly aggressive cease and desist letter to the web operator.

IMHO a person would be pretty damn lame to file a lawsuit for libel damages against anyone in an environment like this where identities are masked. In order to win damages in a libel suit you must prove that you were defamed and your credibility has been tarnished in the public's eye causing you a quantifiable loss.

On the other hand, I guess I can understand why a medical doctor within this club might hesitate to identify himself as a medical doctor and then start throwing medical advice around without physically examining a patient, or minimally gathering numerous details regarding the patient's symptoms before providing counsel...seems to me he could risk legal problems if someone follows his medical guidance, then injures himself.

Then again, I suppose I could get into trouble if anybody followed my past advice on a method to manipulate ones' prostate gland to increase their "love pudding" output.

I admit I was a little buzzed when I wrote that bit about shoving ice-cubes up ones' ass, followed by squirting a hot water rinse with a turkey baster, then followed by a deep-finger massage of the prostate (by your very best friend, of course) to milk-out the prostate fluids...then rinse & repeat as many times as you can until you pass-out.

Though I meant no malice towards anyone, I truly believe, in my simple mind that...the cold ice contracts the prostate, the heat generated from the blast of hot water from the turkey baster, of course, expands the prostate...then the extra long fingers up the ass pressing against the prostate...well, the mental picture I got was just too much not to blog the idea.

If anybody attempted this maneuver as I erroneously prescribed, please accept my sincerest apology...then be sure tell us how it went.

Of course, if you lost all feeling down-there and now you wish to sue me, please understand that I will insist that the media be there to document your story.

AJ

>The only risky combination I have heard of is nitrates and Cialis

This info is dangerously wrong. Even the most cursory of web searches will turn up info showing that Pfizer advises against combining Viagra with nitrates (i.e. http://www.viagra.com). And Bayer issues the same warning with Levitra (http://www.levitra.com). If I understand correctly the combination could lead to dangerously low blood pressure.

The risks in filing a frivolous libel or slander suit that is completely baseless can be high for most lawyers. Impossible to prove libel or slander under these circumstances unless a fellow poster posts the person's actual name and then makes a statement that is libel per se. Of course anyone can file any suit but once the motion to dismiss, motion to quash or motion for summary judgment is granted, the plaintiff will be ordered to pay costs and in some states, the attorney will be ordered to pay sanctions....not something any attorney wants to be faced with....unless they are NY lawyers..they have suspicious ethics.

I am not an expert in libel suits as very few attorney's practice in that field as the cases are rare but I am an attorney and know a thing or two.

My point is that you dont want to mess with people you dont know especially on a message board with older people who have executive titles and/or lots of disposable cash. I will give you a few real life examples.

Go to google and type in "yahoo message board lawsuit". You will find many baseless lawsuits against posters who flame and bash stocks on the message board. Ultimately, most or all of these lawsuits are dismissed as they are truely baseless. The person or companies that filed these lawsuits in the first place never intended the suits to be tried. They did it simply to mess with and threaten the poster out of spite and dont care if they have to pay thousands of dollars in fines or fees to do it.

Let me give you another example, Mark Cuban, billionaire. He threw up a website called www.sharesleuth.com and has stated that he will actively short the stocks he reports about before he posts the articles. This opens him up to a vast amount of litigation and SEC inquiries. However, he doesnt care. He threw up the website on principal and to spite other companies.

It makes sense to be a little hostile to people you dont know and then to treat the people you do know with an air of friendship. However, you never know when you bump into someone with a little power who can wreak havoc on your life. Maybe the next time you try to get on a plane, you find yourself on the no-fly list. Maybe all of a sudden you find yourself getting an audit by the IRS. Maybe the DMV starts mailing you letters to come in for a vision check. Maybe you find yourself getting detained and searched by Customs for no particular reason. Maybe you might find someone sueing you for a very frivilous matter. . .etc etc etc.

The moral of the story is to use sugar instead of salt. That way you dont have such unknown and unpredictable issues hanging over your head. Calling people names like "village idiot" isnt nice and makes people angry. If your dealing with a man with power and money, then you might find yourself in one of the situations I have described above.

I have called a few people names on this message board, and for that matter, I apologize. Sometimes I can say some biting things myself. . .

Ironeagle -

I'm not sure what you wrote, but me thinks Hombre must have bitch slapped you a bit...hope you're okay?

You are right, sometimes it is just too easy to start flamming and all it does is build back and forth whereas the worthwhile dialogue that could otherwise be...is lost. And then when it starts to get personal others either jump in for the scraps or they tune-out...completely.

There is no shame in ignoring any direct challenges or backing away from an argument, even if you think you can win. Faceless members will bravely hide behind their words whereas they'd never be so bold in an open bar.

Now back to the topic.

I'm in my early 40s. I've always had a strong sexual appetite. Prior to turning, 38 or so, I never noticed any changes in my wood. However, during one-trip when I was 38 or so, I was spending the night with my novia after having been with 2 chicas earlier in the day (and I was feeding my dick about 2 chicas per day everyday I was there prior). That night I just could not keep an erection. My novia sucked on me until her eyes nearly imploded...nothing. At first she thought it was her...that she wasn't turning me on...then she suspected I gave all my leche to another girl. She was right about her second suspicion and I did a little tap dancing to quell her concerns.

As I recall, I was down-range for about 12-days on that trip and the last 2 or 3 days I was simply on empty...I was all cummed-out. Though I wanted to do more...I just couldn't...I suddenly became just a tourist with a non-responsive dick.

Funny thing is, I never even thought about Viagra or any of the ED drugs...I just assumed that I was empty and nothing could help me except time, rest and nourishment...that is, not until later.

Then one day a few months later I decided to go to Boystown in Nueva Laredo. As I searched for a taxi, a local tout offered a doctor, drugs, prescriptions...you name it...for a price he'd sell me anything. Accustomed to these types of assholes throughout the world I dissed the tout. But he mentioned Viagra...initially I was actually a little miffed that he would suggest that I need Viagra because I never considered myself old and unable...but then I recalled the tail-end of my recent Panama trip when I had "emptied" myself.

Now that I was in Mexico for the night, and I knew that I'd be fucking as many women as I could...I decided to slip into a pharmacy and inquire. Sure shit, no prescription needed...I was momentarily pleased that I beat the tout. Having no idea how much Viagra I needed...I ordered the big blue pill...100Mg to be sure. I popped the pill into my mouth in front of the chica working the counter and swallowed it with a soda I carried over the border from McDonald's...with a smile I placed the empty box and foil wrapper on the counter...then headed to find a taxi to Boystown.

While in the taxi enroute to Boystown...maybe 20-minutes later, I started feeling that my face was getting hot...the Viagra blush. In anticipation that I soon would be fucking "somebody" in the next half-hour, I started getting wood with every bump the taxi hit (and let me tell you...there are a lot of bumps in the road on the way to Boystown).

As I had predicted...within 30-minutes I had tits dangling in my face while a $20 whore was sliding up and down on my dick. I fucked her until I popped. I cleaned-up and headed to get something to drink. After maybe another 30-45 minutes...my dick was feeling thick and "ticking" into another hard-on. To say the least, I was impressed with my first encounter with Viagra.

I managed to pop good quality pops two additional times that night. By the time I laid down to go to sleep, I could feel a possible 4th round peeking...but I said enough was enough and I fell asleep.

Since then, whenever I monger, the first stop I make is to the pharmacy to pick-up a 4-pak of Viagra. Though I may not use it right away (the first few days), I always keep it handy as a great back-up...just in case my dick decides to go lame on me after a few chicas.

Now during a 2-week vacation, I may ingest five or six 100Mg Viagra tablets all about 24-hours apart the last five or six days. The Viagra always performed as advertised...the wood I get is firm and ready almost immediately.

I have never experienced any "tolerance build-up" to the stuff, or ill side effects other than blushing and a slight headache.

Today, I haven't mongered or taken Viagra for about 6-months. However, I know I will take it again and I know it will work.

But, I do wonder about guys who live in mongering areas who fuck everyday with no breaks...how much Viagra do they consume, and is there ever too much?

AJ

If you don't get much of an effect from Viagra or Cialis on a regular basis...what would taking a cialis 20 mg in the morning and viagra 50 mg one hour before the opportunity expresses itself ? Is it dangerous could you pass out ?

HAHAHA, just saw that Dan Marino commercial! Ironeagle, dude, so sorry I ever made fun of you...

Anyone have recommendations as to an online provider of Cialis, Levitra and Viagra, which does free prescriptions? Thanks.

Cialis & Viagra work WONDERS on women--young & old! girls that rarely cum will have multiple orgasms! 25 mg viagra is plenty. cut the 100 in quarters. just ask the girl if she would like to have a FANASTIC orgasm--they almost always agree to take it---then fall in love! Be sure to wait 30 min for it to take effect. 10 mg Cialis will work for 3 days. Also, Brazilian made viagra is $2/ 100mg in Argentina. Works great on this 62 yr old monger & all the girls.

your 63 and still mongering,your a hero

your 62 and not 63,but still great, hope you keep it up,oh sorry for the pun here,LOL

Are you giving the Cialis to the girls too? If it's lasting 3 days, you're obviously repeating....

I gather from your post in a related thread that YOU take C + V--Do you give the girls both too? Is there some benefit to that?

He's a 62-year-old monger and a hero. I have a feeling there are going to be many, many illustrious figures among us in the coming years. Actually 62 is good, but not super impressive to me as my mentor was whoring around in his mid-80s before ED drugs.

Viagra vs Psychology:
I was shocked when no amount of Viagra could get me hard with a girl that had a bad attitude

On the other hand I catch myself thinking "Viagra is really working well" when I get rock hard with a girl with a good attitude. Only to remember I had not taken any V in a week.

So at least with me there is a strong psychological component.

But, when I was younger, psychology had less of an influence. I could get it up easily, no matter how much of an attitude the bitch had.

So who has first hand medical knowledge or knows good links?? Is there any way to get it up with a real bitch? Guess only psychotherapy helps!??

One of those inflators that is surgically implanted and uses some sort of air pump might work.

How about the age old "Grudge Fuck" , that usually requires no chemicals at all, just sheer determination! This possibly applies in this type situation........

Ugly girls I can deal with, but if they smell bad - be it breath or pussy or just general body odor - I'm done.

Cat- nothing, and I mean nothing, kills the moment quicker than that! There is no chemical that will ignore that!

I was wondering if anyone has any current leads on obtaining cheap Viagra without a prescription via the internet. I bought a massive cheap supply of generic Viagra about four years ago off the internet and got lucky--it was the real deal. I'd much prefer this route to paying a doctor for a prescription and then paying full price. Today I actually followed a lead from a junk email to this site: http://nowdirectpharmacy.com/. Looks good--but who knows? Any suggestions?

Have used this site in the past with good results. If the package doesn't arrive within 2 weeks contact them and they will reship it no questions asked. I only get Kamagra the Tadamax doesn't seem to work as well as the branded Cialis.

http://www.apcalis-kamagra-jelly-pricebuster.com/faq.html

Don't have their name handy, but I used to get it from a place in Costa Rica, then they started making random charges on my credit card. Be careful.

Thanks.

The best site is www.onlinesolution4u.com

They have every kind of medicine. Everything is good except the vicodin.

It may be good to also include information in this thread about places to get Viagra and so forth on the ground.

In this light, I just bought 4 generic viagras for 400 baht on Soi 3 Sukhumvit, about a block or so on the other side of Sukhumvit from Nana Plaza. I first went to a pharmacy on the right side of the street and they quoted 2000 baht for 4 Cialis, 1900 for 4 viagra, and 250 to 300 baht for 4 generic viagras, which was a meaningless quote because they didn't have any in stock (although say they will have some in a day or so). I then went back a few steps to an alley on the right side of Soi 3 which had a sign pointing to a small pharmacy. That is where I got the generic viagra which was made in India. I'll report back on whether it actually works.

Perhaps others could post their recommendations for sources in Bangkok, Pattaya, Jakarta, and perhaps Brazil and Argentina (as well as other mongering countries). I suspect I could have gotten a better deal in Bangkok, but don't really have the time to look around, at least didn't for this batch.

Incidentally, I recently tried some chewable generic viagra that seemed to work fine. What are others recent experiences with the wide range of products now available?

www.onlinesolution4u.com has been shutdown but here are a few others:

www.indianmeds4u.com
www.medssolution4u.com
www.cheapscrips.com

Internet pharmacies come and go so it is always good to have a few backups and I welcome all recommendations.

The cheapest price I found last year was in Cambodia. I did a border run from Thailand to the Hat Lek border crossing. At the duty free shop in Cambodia, I purchased 4-packs of 100mg Kamagra for 70 baht ( about $2 ) per pack. Kamagra is an Indian generic for Viagra and it is very, very, very good.

You can bring your own Viagra into Thailand, but it is illegal to sell it there unless it is sold by a licensed pharmacy. I saw on the news that several foreigners have been caught selling Viagra.

i was just quoted over $15 for Viagra. i found a Canadian pharmacy online selling generic Viagra for a little over $3 a pill(for 60 pills). i hope they work

Checkout medssolution4u.ocm It is less than $3/pill.

The generic viagra I bought in the alley just off of Soi 3 Sukhumvit in Bangkok (reported above) is in the category of it seems to have worked a little, but just didn't seem like it had the strength of the real stuff. I'm debating whether to pay the ridiculous $15 a pill for Cialis, or try another generic. Anyone who can steer me to a pharmacy with good generic stuff in Bangkok, it would be appreciated.

I tried Kamagra, Indian Viagra knock-off.
It worked, but when it wears off it gives me a headache of a weird sort, not really stopped by my usual headache remedy (400 mg ibuprofen).
I think I'll keep away from it.

The Indian Cialis is really good.

Roberto, et all,

That INDIANMEDS4U operation is the most mickey mouse outfit I have ever found on the internet.

Rather than operate a standard website like damned near everybody else in the world, they want you to download some file called IM4U.RAR then run some executable that I have never heard of to unpack that file.

I do not trust any merchant that does crap like that.

Can you recommend a different INDIA pharmacy that you have had good luck with.

www.medssolution4u.com

Look, you are obviously not familiar with the scene in India nor did you take the time to read the website. You don't need to download the software but I did because they take the website down often because of law enforcement. The file is .rar which is very common lke a zip file. This way you can order 24/7. Moneygram and Western Union are totally safe. These sites are cheap and reliable. The best site, onlinesolution4u.com was just busted by the Indian DEA. Raj Oberoi ran that site for over 5 years and he delivered every order I ever paid for.

I have listed other sites in this hemisphere but they always get confiscated. If you want painkillers, I have 3 domestic sites for you if you have medical records.

Don't be so quick to judge without trying.

Roberto,

I have placed a $130 order with medssolution4u and paid with moneygram. So I am waiting stage to see if they come through. I certainly would not have done that without your recommendation.

However, I do not download "EXE" files from web sites that I have never heard off and "RAR" files can carry nasty payloads. Why doesn't he just use the equally compact PDF or ZIP formats like the the other 99% of our planet.

Your other recommendation that requires eGold or eCheck was a non-starter because the top 10 search returns for "eGold" include indictments for money laundering and other problems with law enforcement.

>Moneygram and Western Union are totally safe

Well, they will get your money to its intended recipient, but if something does go wrong, you have pretty much zero chance of getting your money back from either of these companies. I'd advise against using them to send money unless you know the recipient is legit, or you're willing to take the gamble.

e-gold is just a payment option. I use e-check. nothing online is guaranteed but I am telling u I have already used them. if losing 130 bucks is going to put u in the street u have bigger problems. either take my recommedations or don't. I don't care.

in regards to indianmeds4u.com, u don't need to download the software

I just put my money where my mouth is with medssolution4u.com and indianmeds4u.com. I want to see who was faster and better.

Also, cheapscrips.com has been having some supply problems lately. They were not going to be able to send some meds for a month. I requested a refund an got it within 3 days. I will be using them again July 15.

Well, both medssolution4u.com and indianmeds4u.com showed up registered mail within 2 weeks. The prices are basically the same on most items. I give them both the Roberto Seal of Approval.

Received my pills from medssolution4u.com yesterday, but have not had an opportunity to try them yet. That will be another entry in this section.

Ordered 20 x 20mg Megalis (cialas) and 20 x 100mg Suhagra (viagra). They gave me 12 free Suhagra as compensation for the eMoneygram fee. My total cost was $132. The order arrived in two seperate #10 envelopes via REGISTERED mail and that must have cost a pretty penny.

Thanks to Roberto for helping me navigate this transaction via discuss and private mail.

During a recent trip to Asia, I purchased some generic viagra, as reported above. I am thinking about doing so over the internet as well.

I do have a concern though. Has anyone read anything, or know anything, about the dangers of any impurities contained in these unregulated drugs? I don't want to take the stuff and later find out I have damaged kidneys, e.g., as a result.

TIA if anyone has any information bearing on this.

OK, I understand the appeal of saving 75% off on knockoff ED drugs. IMO, this is the kind of product that is counterfeit 75% of the time. I share Laguy's concerns about its safety and efficacy.

A good friend of mine was a pharmacy tech, I now WILL NOT use an independent pharmacy in my home town for any kind of prescription.

So, I goes to Costco and pays my dollars for something that I'm 99.9% confident is what it says. I know that I am spending A GREAT DEAL on markup by Pfizer so I anxiously await the day that Viagra go off patent and I can get generic sildenafil citrate manufactured as an ED drug at one fifth the cost and 99.9% confidence in its FDA mandated safety and efficacy.

My own thinking is that any impurities that may be present are probably no worse than the almost certain impurities that are likely present in my dinners when I am overseas.

I don't know how they process a Mo's burger. I don't want to know how they process a Mo's burger. If I did know, I probably wouldn't eat it. But I don't know and it never killed me, therefore it must be fine. Same with knockoff drugs.

If you are worried, the pure counterfeit Pfizer Viagra comes out of China and is completely unregulated and black market. The knock-offs from India are legally produced under Indian law and the factories are regulated and inspected by the Indian government for what ever that is worth. Look for the Indian Rp tax stamp on the blister pack. Some of the larger Indian pharmaceutical companies are also inspected by the USFDA to some extent since they are producing various other generic medications sold at Walmart and Costco. Foolproof? No, but you can have a reasonable expectation that an Indian brand is safe. And the counterfeiters are not going to bother counterfeiting an Indian brand either when they could just as easily counterfeit Pfizer Viagra.

That is a not unreasonable argument to be more open to directly labeled Indian knockoffs that do not pretend to be Viagra. I still don't have a reliable source.

Remember, after having my friend tell me about the activities of the owner of the pharmacy where he was a tech (out of date??? never. Putting a home brew in the bottle instead of the prescribed brand OR generic, but charging the full brand price???), I decided that I would not purchase from just any old pharmacy.

An illegal purchase from an offshore web site falls into the same category. They have no down side to cheating on what they are selling.

(Message edited by smitopher on July 10, 2008)

At this point I have tried both of the recently received "Made In India" meds:

Suhagra 100 mg (viagra) produced less flush than the real thing, but certainly helped stiffen the wood. The patent brand seems more effective and produces a bit more of a morning after headache.

Megalis 20 mg (cialis) had about the same effect as a placebo. No perceivable flush and woodie did not jump to attention. I will try one more pill before sending an email complaint to the seller. Perhaps it was a bad batch or damaged by heat during transit.

My blood pressure and blood glucose have been acting up again, so a healthier body may respond differently.

The megalis is really good in my opinion. Works for me.

I see at least one Canadian Pharmacy site is offering a higher priced formulation of the ED meds that they label as Viagra Professional and Cialis Professional. The dosages are the same - 100mg for the V, and 20mg for the C, but the site claims that these are new formulations will not only last longer, but appreciably intensify the effects while reducing the loss of sensitivity that many men experience when they use ED meds.

I won't be talking to my pharmacist for another month, so I thought I'd ask the experts here if they have heard of this so called new generation of the tried and trusted meds, and if they are legit or just an internet scam? I can't recall hearing anything about these meds in the media so while I'm hopeful, I'm extremely skeptical.

Anybody have experience with this Canadian Pharmacy site: http://mxp.amkeep.com/?hli ?

"Viagra Professional" I suppose this is for those who make a living getting boners, porn stars, gigolos, and so forth. As for me, I'll stick with the amateur formulations.

But more seriously, Cialis is now marketing on TV a version that lasts 24 hours rather than 36 hours. I'm not sure if it is just a matter of the amount of active ingredient in each pill, or something else, but it strikes me as a desperate attempt to increase market share for the brand as it doesn't seem like much of a selling point that the new product lasts for a bit less time than the previous product.

I haven't seen or heard about a "professional" version of any of these products, and doubt Pfizer or the others would use the term, essentially for the reasons suggested (somewhat facetiously) in the first paragraph above.

Laguy,

I think the point of the low dose Cialis is not that it lasts one day, but that you take it daily, as you would a vitamin. Your pilot light is lit 24/7/365.

Bosco

How about "industrial strength" Viagra or Cialis,
for the Professional Monger!

Im glad somebody BUMPED this thread so I didnt have to go looking for it. Greetings folks, before leaving for Colombia a couple weeks ago, I found my cialis supply level at critical. So while Colombia has a generic Viagra, It does not have a generic Cialis and I didnt want to spend 90k on a 4 pack at Exito or LA 14. So after doing some research I got a great recommendation from master monger called ASIAN RAIN on this company called www.edselection.com . The company is from India and sells you generic Cialis. I paid about $100 for 30pills and 4 free generic viagras to try (im not a fan of viagra). That included $10 unregistered mail shipping fee. After about 2 weeks a hand written orange envelope arrives from India. I open it up to see some basic instructions, details about the company and 30 orange, push pill professionally wrapped TADALAFIL tabs 20mg. I was psyched. Well upon arrival in Colombia my first night I pop one out and give it a whirl.. Gents may I tell you, JUST AS GOOD as the original and lasts a GOOD 36hrs as well easily. ALMOST like they were industrial strength lol. I felt like my 18yr old self again lol. The ONLY drawback is that they are NOT thin shell coated so make sure you have some water or coke nearby to swallow down more easy. Bottom Line: Big thumbs up and thank you ASIAN RAIN!

I have an order on the way from http://www.edhealthplus.com/ Sort of leery as I have only used the real deal in the past, so I went with 10 20mg generic Cialis with 4 100mg generic Viagra for $45.95 including shipping.

Asian Rain! The guy that posts photos of freshly facialized chics with disgusted looks underneath a pile of goo? I used to frequent a board he was on and learned to avoid his action shots.

Laguy
Daily Cialis is simply a 2.5 or 5 mg pill taken every day. No change in formula and does not work for everyone.

As for "Professional Viagra and Cialis" -- the drug reps from those companies have never heard of it. There has been no new formula approved by the FDA.

Thanks KM and laguy...it is the answer I expected but these websites do a good job of appearing legit - except it raised other questions in my head when I saw that they were also selling penis enlargement machines.

Though it doesn't fit a strict dictionary definition, the most active mongers on this board are certainly professional swordsmen - along with the most active male porno stars, they are the most sexually active men on the planet, and with a larger number of girls then the porn starts get to boink.

(Message edited by erip on September 21, 2008)

except it raised other questions in my head when I saw that they were also selling penis enlargement machines.

Are you saying they don't work ??

Damn !! Hope it's not too late to cancel my order.

Next you'll be telling me Enzyte doesn't "enlarge that certain part of the male anatomy" .

Bob looks so happy and proud it must work. He can't get that shit eating grin off his face no matter how he tries.

Erip, the so-called Canadian pharmacy site is run off a server in Turkey.

Also, for a few of our esteemed members, these are also a consideration, although be sure and take the correct dosage!

No need to buy that stuff. Just give Lorena Bobbitt a call and she'll set you right up.

Or cheat on a Thai bargirl that you've made your girlfriend (at least in her mind). Can you say "Duck food?"

Now we have one more thing to worry about:

"Illegal anti-impotence drugs and herbs contaminated with the diabetes drug glyburide have caused some 150 cases of dangerously low blood sugar, researchers in Singapore reported on Wednesday.

"Four people have died, they said in the New England Journal of Medicine.

"The drugs include counterfeit Cialis and herbal preparations with names such as "Power 1 Walnut" and "Santi Bovine Penis Erecting Capsule," Shih Ling Kao of National University Hospital said."

For the full story: http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20090211/hl_nm/us_sex_sugar_1

"All but one of the 150 victims were men, ranging in age from 19 to 97".

WTF was a 19yo taking anything at all! As for why Hemp would, well that's obvious.

This is a serious situation tho, and supports the arguement for purchasing at either a Rx or known supplier. The cost difference is certainly not worth the risks.

CFK

Hey CFK if I am going on a trip I want the vehicle regardless of age to be mechanically sound and the "tank full" - Hemp

Hemp,

now I know where the Boy Scout Motto came from...

I located a reliable pharmacy in Costa Rica. Take a look at www.drug-central.com

The site is reliable but the prices are only good on some things. Keep an eye out for sales. Delivery time is quick. They will reship if seized. The quality of the meds is good.

FWIW, the counterfeit Viagra being sold by the street punks in AC is now going for a mere 100 Piso a box of 4. Definite major price deflation over the last few months.

Given that the stuff is nothing more than flour and a binding agent, it still is a bit overpriced.

Last time I was in AC I was stunned to see a couple of guys actually purchasing the shit.

I've bought it. The stuff I have picked up there does in fact contain Sildenafil. Buyer beware for sure but it isn't all crap.

any pharmacy that says they come from Canada, or that allege to be FDA approved, are liars. Try to sell generic Viagra or Cialis in Canada or the US and see what Pfizer and Lilly are going to do to you

I would not trust sites from Costa Rica or anywhere except India. here is the reason: legit Viagra costs 8 cents a pill in India, so there is no reason to sell fake stuff
http://18adultreviews.com/porn-sites/viagra-sildenafil-citrate-news/8-cent-viagra-generic-in-india

there are plenty of sites that sell Sildenafil Citrate (generic version of Viagra). It is being sold legally in Indian pharmacies, for example.

Here people actually ordered some of this stuff and tested it:
http://18adultreviews.com/porn-sites/viagra-sildenafil-citrate-news/8-cent-viagra-generic-in-india If you trust them, you can order there. Be aware that this might be illegal in your country and that customs might confiscate it.

http://viagragenerics.longlovetabs.com This is where they bought it. I tried myself, dozens of mongers in Brazil tried my stuff, including several MD's. Absolutely approved. The Viagra works better then the real stuff. Did not do much testing on Cialis, but the few that tested felt it was ok! This site is actually is the same people as the edselect people that were praised in another post.

Yes, if it gets confiscated, they send the stuff again. Happened to me already. Best deal is 90 x 100 mg pills, smaller shipments are kind of expensive. Split the stuff with friends to get the 90 pill discount rate.

read info, like Viagra instructions http://viagragenerics.longlovetabs.com/imgs/pills/sildenafil.pdf with all small print, side-effects, etc. check this blog http://18adultreviews.com/sex/real-sex/viagra-news for some funny Viagra stories

i ordered from this site
http://viagragenerics.longlovetabs.com

and its a ripoff. dont order from them. I got the pills yes but they did not work. None of them worked. i even took 2 of the pills that they sent me and it did not do a things. its a rip off. Maybe someone on this board works for them and is just advertising for their site. But the pills are fake.

CL

Good news - I just read a Brazilian business magazine (Exame - June 30th, 2010 issue) about the patent for Viagra. It expired on June 20th. As a result, a reputable large generic drug manufacturer - EMS - will be bringing a generic version of Viagra to the Brazilian market soon. This should dramatically cut the prices of the drug. I am already seeing the original Viagra advertised as a result ... still expensive at about R$25-R$30 a pill, but maybe soon the days of having to shop from some Indian internet pharmacy will be over.

Could anyone recommend whatever is currently a reputable mail order place to order generic viagra from overseas? Thanks.

Where do you travel to, Rioguy? If still going to Rio, the best place to buy is any pharmacy in Rio. Generic viagra is cheap and available with no prescription. Just ask for "Viagra genérico."

I've ordered various drugs from alldaychemist.com, and never had any problems over several years and a half-dozen orders. Except that recently, they've started to call me to solicit orders, so I'd give them a VM-only number. But they have had some legitimate questions in the past for which a phone number was needed. And I think they've recently raised their prices for the ED meds along with putting up a new website.

RT here. I have a, er, friend who shops at https://thekamagrastore.com/ -- he says that the delivery takes three days longer than the time you tell yourself not to worry, but the stuff always shows up.

He also said that on his first order, he had to call a US-based telephone number to confirm his credit card information. It went well.

Last, he said to tell you that he prefers the Chewable Fildena XXX tablets... he says that they get into my system faster.

Thanks, everyone.

I haven't traveled to Rio the past couple years, may or may not this year, but your advice is appreciated.

After I ordered viagra from a web supplier several years ago I started getting harangued with phone calls, presumably from them but I'm not 100% sure. That's a problem, I'm going to try to find a way around that if I can. Based on Bwana Dik's advice, if my present supply holds out until my next trip I may do it that way.

I've been away for awhile.

How would you like to buy $1,500 worth of a drug that is the generic equivalent of Viagra, at a WALMART pharmacy, IN THE USA, for less than $60.

This is a no shit generic drug LEGALLY sold in the USA.

Pfizer still has a enforceable patent for Sildenafil (the generic name for Viagra) for tablets prescribed for erectile dysfunction tablets with a greater dosage of 20mg.

Revatio is a brand name drug for pulmonary arterial hypertension who's patent is expired and is now available as a generic.

So are you ready for this?

What is the difference between Viagra and Revatio?
NOTHING... other than the dosage and what it is prescribed for.

Just go to your doctor and ask him or her to prescribe generic Sildenafil. This is called off label perscription and is 100% legitimate and legal.

The next step is to print out a coupon form a web site called goodrx.com. Without the coupon, the generic is still a bit pricy but way less than Brand name Viagra.

Then go to WalMart. The tablets are only 20mg, but just take 3 or 5.

If Viagra gives you headaches or stuffed sinuses, this will too. It should because it is the same thing.

I bought 90 20mg tablets for $58

Why bother with dodgy web sites when you can get a better deal at WalMart. Legally too.

You paid $58 for a grand total of 1,800 mgs of Sildenafil.

At the Piri pharmancy near the wax museum you could buy 20 100mg pills for around $19 to $26 (that's 2,000 mgs) of their three different brands of generic viagra.

That's in London?

The patent situation is quite a bit better in the UK.

I'm sure that if I could buy 100 mg tablets of Sildenafil, the price would be better. In the USA i can only buy 20mg tablets of Sildenafil due to the Pfizer patent.

From Wikipedia

Patent issues and expirations

European Union
Pfizer's patent on sildenafil citrate expired in some member countries of the EU, Austria, Denmark, France, Germany, Ireland, Italy, The Netherlands, Spain, Sweden, United Kingdom as well as Switzerland on 21 June 2013.[60][61][62] A UK patent held by Pfizer on the use of PDE5 inhibitors (see below) as treatment of impotence was invalidated in 2000 because of obviousness; this decision was upheld on appeal in 2002.[63][64]

United States
In 1992 Pfizer filed a patent covering the substance sildenafil and its use to treat cardiovascular diseases.[65] This patent was published in 1993 and expired in 2012. In 1994 Pfizer filed a patent covering the use of sildenafil to treat erectile dysfunction.[66] This patent was published in 2002 and will expire in 2019. Teva sued to have the latter patent invalidated, but Pfizer prevailed in an August 2011 federal district court case.[67]

The patent on Revatio (indicated for pulmonary arterial hypertension rather than erectile dysfunction) expired in late 2012. Generic versions of this low-dose form of sildenafil have been available in the U.S. from a number of manufacturers including Greenstone, Mylan and Watson, since early 2013.[68] There is no legal barrier to doctors prescribing this form of sildenafil "off label" for erectile dysfunction, although the dosage typically required for treating ED requires patients to take multiple pills.

I have been getting 60-20 mg Tadalafil from Alldaychemist.com (http://www.alldaychemist.com/ceebis.html) for $51.03. I believe it is the same as sidenafil, it certainly is functionally. They also have 100-mg sidenafil citrate (http://www.alldaychemist.com/manly.html) for the same 60 for $51.03. I had never seen that before, perhaps I'll get that next time.

I have been purchasing a variety of drugs from this Indian company. The three ED drugs have been fully functional, and I believe the others work as well (a little harder to know for sure). Never any problem getting the merchandise within two or three weeks.

I recall seeing 50-mg pills sold in Jakarta years ago. Is there any advantage to the higher dose? I've never tried taking more than 20 mg at once. Would the 100-mg pills get me back to my 3-5 girls a day pace of 10 years ago?

smitopher, how coincidental that I just came back from seeing a doctor at Kaiser who prescribed the Revatio for me - 8 80mg pills and the co-payment will be between $5-15 (Revatio doesn't come in the same dosages that are prescribed for ED). Won't know the exact price until I fill it, but this is under insurance so would not be full retail price.

I had wondered for months how Kaiser had access to made in USA generic Sildenafil when I had heard nothing except news of Pfizer's Viagra patent being extended I believe until 2019. My doc just explained to me exactly what you posted.

To me it seems delightfully scandalous. I did not think "off label" prescribing was legal though I realize that many drugs are prescribed and used off label - e.g. doctors prescribing Provigil for sleep apnea when many or most patients really use it as a "brain steroid" or an apparently safer and milder acting amphetamine substitute. But the docs aren't actually allowed to prescribe it for this off label use, so the practice seems sketchy from a legal standpoint. Regulators don't appear to give a shit and Pfizer maybe feels they get some other kind of quid pro quo for not raising a stink to go against a giant organization like Kaiser for prescribing generic ED meds for patients who don't actually have Pulmonary Arterial Hypertension on their medical charts.

Btw, the Scat guy is talking about generics sold in TJ that I believe are manufactured in South America, not London. I have kept a supply of those on hand and at times they work fine and at times they don't just like the Indian generics I've purchased online for less cost than those available in Mexico. So you save a few bucks but you enter the territory of dodgy websites, dodgy pharmacies and dodgy medicine that you referred to, and can be avoided by inexpensive enough made in the USA generic Sildenafil.

I always stock up on the generics from the pharmacies in Bangkok, since it's all sold over the counter there. I've never needed to order anything online, since I'm in BKK every year.

I'm still wondering if anyone has any experience with the higher doses of Cialis....

Hi Smitopher. Long time.

Everything good?

RT

PS - I have no problems with the Indian websites now. The first time, it was a credit card hassle (not fraud; they just were quadruple careful to make sure I was who I said I was)... now, they just process my orders after one confirming email. I get 180 chewable Sildenifils (they taste like Flintstones vitamins) for about $100.

Hunterman,

The standard 20mg dose keeps me happy for 48 hours. I think nothing is gained by upping the dosage (i.e., working longer) and it can be dangerous. If 20mg isn't working, then it's likely the equipment is going bad is a way that the drug can't help.