I am watching an interesting program, Anatomy of a crime, on prostitution in the USA. Some interesting Stats.
1.There has never been a case of Aids among Nevada’s legal sex workers.
2. Since Las Vegas began testing illegal prostitutes for Aids there has been less then 270 confirmed cases, some of these have been repeats, i.e. the same girl or guy tested twice or more times. Oh, this stat includes gays.
3.According to a number of trials done across the States the incidents of Aids among working girls is lower then the national average and less then some groups, like airline pilots.
4.In san Francisco a sex worker who is arrested and found to have aids is guilty of attempted murder at no time in the program did they mention a single conviction.
5. The police chiefs of the 14 largest cities in the USA believe that prostitution should be legalized and have said so openly at a conference...in Las Vegas.
6. Most anti prostitution activists are really ugly women. I mean butt ugly. Including the ex-workers

A final thought during the program they interview dozens of America's finest working girls from sea to shining sea and there was not one that I would rate above a 7.

"A final thought during the program they interview dozens of America's finest working girls from sea to shining sea and there was not one that I would rate above a 7."

Just one of the many reasons we Americans get our asses out of the States for P4P. Just look at the pics of the girls working in the Nevada brothels (with apologies to GCL), then look at the prices they charge (along with the services they do and do not provide). Is it any wonder a place like 4X4 strikes most American men as heaven on earth?

And if YOU get busted trying to pick up an ugly prostitute in San Fransisco, you get sentenced by the court to being forced to pay big money to a gang of the butt ugly ex-whores to berate you.

I_am_sancho:

How do you know this?

Please provide verifiable information.

Maybe your case #, or another we can verify in the Internet.

Thanks.

MM

Regarding #4, if there indeed is such a law, I can guarantee you that SF is the very last place on earth that would ever utilize it, unless there were some very extenuating circumstances involved. The political blowback would ruin any DA who decided to prosecute that one.

I_am_sancho
During the program they should the San Francisco “sensitivity training" that first time victims (guys prosecuted under this stupid law) are subjected to. Three of the ugliest ex working girls get up on stage and beat up the audience for being men. The basis, actual the entire argument seemed to be "you have dicks you bad". I guess usually guys just sit through this and go out and get laid afterwards but because it was being filmed there where chants from the audience of "legalize it", "victimless crime" and "Don't the cops have real criminals to arrest?" the resulted red faced abuse that came from the stage was hilarious. These ladies where not that articulate to start with and as they became more angry they lost any grasp that they had on the English language all together.

There was another interesting point made by an advocate for the legalization of prostitution on a State level and to paraphrase.

The only reason that prostitution is illegal is because of the vocal and ferriferous support for these antiquated laws coming from religious groups. These groups openly state that there objection to Prostitution stems from the bible thus these laws represent and a breach of the separation of State and religion ingrain in the American constitution and are illegal. Legal minds please comment.

The separation of church and state argument is not convincing. I suppose the prohibition against murder can also be traced to the bible, despite the barbarity of much of what is in there, but no one would argue you can't have a law against murder on this basis.

But on a more political rather than legal note, it is objectionable when shall we say tangential parts of the bible (and not being a bible scholar don't ask me where there is a prohibition against prostitution) get codified into law as a result of some religious zealots' wishes. However, one could counter many of the prostitution laws simply reflect the puritanical nature of the U.S. historically, and it is hard to separate out how much of this is "religious" and how much of it is just "downright human stupidity" (not that the two are mutually exclusive).

On the third hand, maybe pre-antibiotics, gold cards at STD clinics, and so forth, there was some adaptive value in puritanical thinking. But now the reasons that might have justified it are essentially outdated, notwithstanding IAS who represents a striking counterexample.

(Message edited by LAguy on August 18, 2009)

I am working on this new hypotheses that lack of condom usage is the primary cause of STD's among sex workers. I know my ideas sound pretty radical sometimes and I haven't yet worked out the complexities of this one yet, but I really think there may be some basis to it.

As for legalization, there is an unholy alliance of wives, feminist groups and religious groups that collectively stand against legalized prostitution. The bible thumpers have zero percent to do with the john's being berated by ugly old whores in San Francisco, but everything to do with them being arrested in Texas. Same result either way and there are plenty of Dutch guys would still rather travel to Thailand for quality hookers.

In any case, the scriptures teach us in Luke 15:11-32, the parable of the prodigal son, that god still loves the man who set off for a distant country and there squandered his wealth on prostitutes and wild living. So y'all still cool with Jesus.

Sancho, I thought you converted to Islam? You can have up to four wives and if you want a divorce, you only have to say "I divorce you" three times and it's done.

Or, apparently, a court in Saudi Arabia just determined that you can text message the three "I divorce you" line and you're good to go.

I have read legitimate accounts that 'marriages' lasting anywhere from less than an hour to overnight before they end in divorce are EXTREMELY prevalent and accepted in Tehran. Of course it is customary to pay a small 'dowry'..... and one should make a small offering to the local Imam to have his blessing on the 'marriage' so as not to offend any religious types. Thus if one seeks a 'wife' for a half hour or so... no problem whatsoever. But there is no prostitution at all in Iran and anyone caught involved in it can be executed.


Apparently primarily a Shiite custom though and doesn't work so easily in Saudi Arabia and such. That's why those guys have to travel to Bangkok.

Actually, IAS, feminists are completely split on the issue of prostitution. The radical dyke feminists are simply anti-sex. Some femiinists, such as Martha Nussbaum, argue that women should be able to do whatever they wish with their bodies, and support decriminalization and/or legalization.

So it's the dyke feminists, wives and bible thumpers who are the problem.

I have seen a few of the ugly bull dykes strutting around AC and Pattaya sporting a hot young spinner on their arm.

It is the activists of all stripes who seem to be extremely overly concerned about what other people might want to do for fun or profit.

Or, put somewhat differently, it's the folks that still buy into old-fashioned American puritanism, which H.L. Mencken defined as "the haunting fear that someone, somewhere, may be happy."

If I remember correctly, the devout in Iran actually purchase their "short term" marriage licenses from various mosques and imams. This entitles them to have legal and guilt free sex with their temporary wife anywhere from an hour to a day, depending on the length of the license (ie how much dough was thrown down).

Now that I know I'm still cool with Jesus, I have been inspired to have a series of t-shirts made. Posed with a variety of choices (the mind can conjure numerous scenarios), the perplexed monger asks the tagline on the shirt: "What would Jesus do?" I could have these sold on the Sukhumvit sidewalks. They'd go like hotcakes.

So if I understand you right a Muslim who is arrested for being with a pro in Texas can argue "thats no whore thats my wife!' Cool.

Sorry Isawal. It works in Tehran so long as you kick down to the local mosque, but in Texas if you are a Muslim who is arrested, they say, "Yah ain't from around here, is yah, boy." "Looky here, we got us one of dem dair terrorists" and then you have no rights at all. In Texas the correct procedure would be to repent and ask gods forgiveness once a week on Sunday morning after staying out whoring all night Saturday.

I thought in Texas if you are court doing something bad and immoral you either become the Republican candidate for mayor or start your own church? Shit in South Africa if you are guilty of corruption and rape you get to be President.

Isawal: Does drunk driving, going AWOL from the National Guard, or strongly suspected cocaine usage qualify as bad or immoral? If so, you have underestimated what a bad and immoral Texan can become politically.

I'm not even electable in Texas.

I think there is a chance that you might get linched in parts of Texs. whats the moto of Texas again? Oh yes "G-d might love you but we carry guns"

>>The separation of church and state argument

Unfortunately there never was such a thing as separation of church and state. The Constitution states that the government cannot control, or mandate, any religion. Regrettably it never says that religion cannot control the government.