2 ?'s I have that I hope you can help me with?

1. What are my chances of remaining a loyal husband to my wife and father to my children after having experienced a trip to TJ... does anyone actually succeed in this double agent life?

2. Given that it is a possibility, what are my chances of fulfilling the #1 guy fantasy (2 gals)while I am there. If I'm risking my marriage, I'm getting some fantasies completed while doing it!

Thanks for your feedback guys... this board is an amazing example of what the internet should be all about!

Jizz

There are a few formerly married guys who post here and eventually their wives found out. How do you remain loyal when you suddenly aren't??

On your second question, I think it is largely a question of will you pay both girls? You will have to. Ask one you like if she has a freind. I prefer to do them in succession rather than simultaneously. More economical I figure.

Jizz,
The answer you are seeking depends on YOU.
There are several married who I know that go to TJ to have a blast and still come back home to have a normal life. Why you might ask? Well Tj for the most part is a big Disneyland for mongers. Its low key, you have a few laughs, drink, eat, dance, get laid as many times as you want and then you come back home with a big smilling face. But then later on you get that anxious feeling again and want to go back for some more. It kind of gets addictive once you settle in.
Consciously, it kind of bothers you but once your there you forget all about it and once your back home to your family just think about.
On your second question, the skys the limit but relax and observe for a while then do whatever you want.

Valentino

ps Hope this helps you out

"It kind of gets addictive once you settle in."

Kind of?

It can be very addictive. I just returned from a 3 day 2 night TJ trip and the first thing I did when I got to the office was check flight availability for my next trip.

Beware!

The Senator

This is personal...but I think I need to express the power of Zona addiction.

I've been Mongering in TJ now for 4 months.
Since then I have quit my job...maxed out 2 platinum Mastercards as well as a BofA card..I've had to change banks because of my wild spending...I've been a loyal member of that bank since 1989...in four months I blundered around $9,000-$11,000 dollars in Zona expenses.

I had a Ramond Weil watch that I traded to a chica for a session...that was a $1,200 watch that was a gift from my mother.

I currently have somewhat of a substance abuse problem...and my alchohol tolerance level has increased dramatically.

I have a G/F...I won't be in denial to myself and the board anymore...I'm having serious relationship problems and I think she's gonna leave me.

Scary thing is...I don't mind if she leaves as long as I have the Zona.

My cellphone bill is absurd because i use it as my homephone...my computer takes up my home phoneline..as my computer is on virtually 24hrs a day monitoring TJ related links and sights.

My whole life revolves around my next trip to TJ...everything I do somehow relates to it.

Maybe you have better self-control than me...just be aware of the addiction.

Damn
Now thats blowing it out!Dude seriously try to get a grip on this.I hope the best for you.
Taxibob

Hey 'Duece........

I'm sure as hell no doctor or analyst, but I've heard the biggest step to "solving" a problem is to "admit" there is a problem.

You just took a HUGE step, my friend!

All the best to you!

Deuce Dude:

Sometimes we skirt the line, but you are definitely over the line, drawn to the flame.

Be careful that you don't burn up in the flame that attracts us all.

Get some professional help. I was there, where you are at. I know.

Rock

Deuce,

I'd like to chime in with Billypv and Rock.

You've admitted that there's a problem, you've gone beyond denial. But.....
It's time to get some assistance.

Take a break, and work to gain some focus.


StrikeEagle

".....it kind of bothers you but once your there you forget all about it."

Now if this doesn't sound like hard core addiction I don't know what is.

I walked into a strip joint here locally today with $100 in my "fun" pocket plus another $100 elsewhere that is just normal traveling money. I NEVER go beyond the normal $100. $180 damage today as each dance blended into the next and I faded away.

".....it kind of bothers you but once your there you forget all about it."

Thanks guys..I guess I had to hit rock bottom to see the error in my ways.

Although still a Newbie..I hope I have evolved as a Monger over the last couple months.

I once justified my Mongering by believing the dillusion that it was improving my relationship with my G/F. I based my belief on the notion that I was "letting my sexual frustrations out in the Zona, so I could be more respectful towards her"...this principle/theory seemed logical so I conveniently used it to justify my Mongering.

I used to rant and rave about my "Viagra/C-Meth combo"...what I forgot to mention is that C-Meth is addictive...now I've got a little monkey on my back...and he's hard to kick off.

I did some things that go against the Monger Code...I am ashamed to admit them here but..

I have payed absured amount of money for chicas..if they didn't want to do a BBBj I would drop c-notes on the bed one after another until they said yes. I have disrespected chicas and caused them to lose face in front of thier friends. I have tipped waiters, doormen, cabbies ridiculous amounts of money. I have fucked trophys without first "feeling them out" over a drink.

And worst of all I have come home with the scent of mexican hookers..and foul yet mysterious mouth odor consisting of Corona's, lime, salt, and mexican pussy and taco's...I would flop on the bed and pass out next to my G/F...thinking she would never find out...but I recently learned the hard way that women have a very keen sense of smell.

Oh well...I will continue to Monger as I have since puberty...but I will do so in a more responible manner.
Thanks

Deuce,

Based on my math, you're no newbie. By my calculation, based on what you've posted here, you've spent somewhere on the order of 80 days in TJ over the last 4 months.

Please check the threaded board for more. I believe that this would be a better place for further follow up.


StrikeEagle

SE:

How did you come up with 80 days?

Just
Curious

Posted were the totals of $9,000+$10,000+assorted additional $$s for an aprox. total of $20k. Also posted, a budget of $200-$250 per day. Do the math.

SE

Strike...On average I go 3 times a week...I think I've been to the Zona 45-50 times in 4 months. But I can't be precise.

SE:

What I read was:

"in four months I blundered around 9,000-$11,000 dollars in Zona expenses."

Nine thousand TO eleven thousand....

Not 20K.

C,

Right you are. I read the first part about maxing out two Plat. cards and then the totals.

My appologies to DeuceBigalow for the error.

Never the less, Please read the threaded board. Again, I'm sure that DB does not really want to archive this history.


StrikeEagle

This is an important and informative thread. I usually give myself $100 per night budget, but several times I went back to the border ATM to get more money. I used to impose myself once a week limit, but for the last 2 months, I've been going 2 or 3 times a week. I used to mix SGs to reduce the average cost, but stopped doing it after I was arrested by police. There is no question that my expense on TJ increased dramatically in these two months, and will continue to increase if I am not disciplined. And it is true that this site is even more addictive than the actual cost.

Time to chill out.

yo,

hmmm, $9,000+ in expeditures since the first saturday of this month. so do you mean four months or four WEEKS of mongering? seems suspect to me.

get help cause you got problems.

cs

9k-11k...the usually zona expenses, plus...I would also take friends of mine and pay their way...also I basically reconditioned my car so I would have good reliable transportation to and from mexico (newtires, timing belt, tune up etc)...Id spend around $200-$250 per night.
average $225 times 3 visits per week=$675 times 16 weeks=$10,800...money goes quick when your having fun.

I think some of us were confused because your *first* TJ trip was supposed to have occurred on 10/07/00, according to your report. I guess that was not true?

TRUE?
LIE?
SCARED STRAIT TACTIC?

I'm not sure, but for me it is not important to know how much truth is in Deuce's post, but that the possibility of some truth exists!

I have decided (with the help of all your comments both hear and on the thread) that I am in now way strong enough to experience this type of amusement park and not want to take more rides. I'll wait until my kids have grown and gone to college, my wife has tired of me and no longer cares as much if I'm screwing whores, and I have a lot more $$$$ to blow.

Chicas don't mind fat middle aged guys with lots of $$$ do they?

DEUCE... You helped me make my decision and possibly save my kids from a broken marriage. Let me know of anything I can do to help you get this under control.

Thanks brother!

I can verify that the chicas don't mind fat middle aged guys at all.

Most of us aren't as crazy (hmmm... maybe I'd call it dedicated) as Deuce Bigalow. But, expenditures do increase over time as you get addicted. Last year I was spending about $300/day (including chicas, drinks, food, lodging, taxi's, etc.), but lately it's been more like $500/day. Plus the cost of airfare to/from San Diego has gone up too. BTW the $300-$500/day doesn't include airfare to/from San Diego.

I've been going about once a month and that hasn't increased over time.

Enjoy,

The Senator

During the time I was reading redsnake studying the posts, planning my first TJ trip...there was alot of flaming/fighting going on something regarding Lakers etc. Anyways I could not register to post my planned first trip becuase I guess RS wasn't allowing new members to register (I wanted to ask a few questions to the posters before I went to TJ).
So I went...had a blast...and still could not post...So I wrote my experience down on paper so i could remember, hoping I could register and post on RS in the near future. I went a few more times to TJ over the course of a few weeks...meanwhile...Redsnake closed his discussion. I trasfered over to TJHomres discussion..was able to register...and posted my first TJ trip. The trip was dated as 10/07/00...yet the posted trip was actually my first one..I can't remember why I put that date.

I am very recognizable...sooner or later we will run into eachother in the Zona ...and you will recognize me as being a 4 month Monger. Also many chicas can verify my time in the Zona.

Easier yet..just E-mail me...I will fax you a copy of my bank statement and credit card bills to prove my story (account numbers will be "whited out" of course) my e-mail address is: deucebigalowoc@aol.com...I look forward to proving my honesty.

Deuce:

I don't think it is so much a question of people not believing you as of being confused.

I learned a long time ago that 1) many people do NOT read and comprehend all the details, even when they are there, and 2) in this written medium it is MUCH harder to really communicate what we want to get across.

Deuce: One request though. Before you send me the copies of your bank statements and credit card bills, can you please have them notarized? I would also appreciate if you can get a hand written note from your priest verifying the authenticy of your documents.

Of course, just kidding

Strange, apparently different people have different reactions to TJ. Were I to spend as much time as as you there, I think I would be burnout of TJ instead of addicted to it. My limit seems to be at 3 max a day. After 3 chicas I usually didn't care to look at another pussy again no matter how attractive she is. Different folks, different strokes? My old age?

Anyway, good luck to you. Hope everything works out in the end!

Hard to spend $300 a day in TJ, ex airfare. Five SGs and 1 @ AB plus 1 @ CC, eat locally and sleep above the AB would not exceed $300. You can live in TJ for $50 a day food and lodging. I think some of these mongers are exagerating

Try doing 2 or 3 girls at a time...that'll eat up 100 to 150 bucks a pop real fast. If you tip'em - even more...I can easily eat up 300 bucks a day...but I don't normally do it.
KRICO

694me,

I don't do SG's. CC or AB chica $40+$10 (room)+$10 (performance tip)= $60 times 4= $240

Plus...cab fare, taco's, 4-5 beer's, drinks for the chicas, various tips, parking lot ticket e.t.c....= in excess of $300+

As you can see I was actually being conservative...usually I do more than 4 chicas...most Monger's can blow $300 with their eyes closed in the Zona...just as Krico pointed out.

Bear in mind that the guy's that live in SD can go to TJ...do 1 chica...and drive back home...there was actually a thread by some SD Mongers comparing how fast thay can hit the Zona and be back home before the wife found out. (that thread was funny as hell!)

Anyways, round trip for me to TJ and back is 230 miles...so when i go..i stay for a few hours...drink a few more beers..do a few more chicas...eat a few more tacos. :o)

Sometimes I go to TJ midmorning..and spend the day walking around TJ checking out the sights, and practicing my spanish with the locals..in that case I spend even more money because i buy small souviners and eat a couple meals.

I can EASILY spend $300 or more in one day/night in TJ.

Actually, once I spent that in 2 nights NOT INCLUDING hotels or girls! Just drinks, food, and tips.

A recent trip went like this:

Gas: $35
Dinner: $12
Drinks - Mine: 6 @ $4, 3 @ $3 = $33
Drinks - Ladies: 4 @ $9, 2 @ $5 = $46
Drinks - Friends: 3 @ $3 = $9
Total Drinks: $88
Hotel above bar: $20 (1 hour)
First gal: $120 with tip (1 hour plus)
Tacos (midnight snack): $5
Hotel for night: $31
Second gal: $200
Breakfast (room service): $18
Parking: $10

Total: $539

And another thing...I read alot of posts where mongers claim they can negotiate an AB or CC chica down to $30 or even $20...I'm not saying they are lying, just that it's hard for me to believe because...

(I feel like an ass for what im about to say, but I gotta prove a point)...

When I'm at either AB or CC I am easily the best looking guy in the place, in fact if I sit in one place for awhile girls start to "flock" around me...and say flatering things about me to eachother (remember: I look white, but im actually hispanic and I can understand what they are saying)...but still...

I have never been able to negotiate a girl as low as $20 or $30...honestly I try to get them to $40 but, but most of the time they ask for $70 and I successfully negotiate them for $50+$10 (room)...

So when I gave you guy's an example of my Zona expenses of around $200 to $250 a day and $40 per chica I was being VERY conservative.

yo,

dude, don't worry about proving your experience. it only makes it look more questionable. personally i dont care whether you write truth or falsities, you have a right to speak freely and i applaud your exercise. however, your right to put information forth is as valid as others' right to dispute your story when they see falsities.
thats whats great about the marketplace of ideas (this board). truths and falsities should be put forth in a public arena for others to judge its veracity. now this subject turned into a discussion about prices and theories of prices. AWESOME!!! its really helpful to others to see discussion about expeditures and the reasoning behind it.

don't take it personally d,

and im out,
cs

This negotiating in Mexico fascinates me. I was down in Adelitas on a Friday about 3 in the morning. Totally, completely satisfied. "No mas" (No more). No interest, period. Just content to lie back in the booth, put me feet up, eat some hot peanuts I'd bought at the grocery store next to Tropical, drink a cervesa, idly watch the girls dance, and contentedly think about life. I was RicardoContento (Happy Dick).

This new, incredibly statuesque girl broke out of hottie central, moved across the room, stood next to me, and began her "advertising campaign" with a slow dance. Her moves were designed to perfectly highlight the silouette of her humongous hooters and dancer's hardbody against the light streaming in from behind her. It reminded me of Richard Nixon. Negotiate from strength. She was selling something I didn't need and wasn't interested in. There was no "cabeza pequena" (little head) urging me on. No unfulfilled "urge" demanding satisfaction. I looked at her and flashed a friendly smile. She slid into the booth next to me so that her humongous hooters pushed against my body. We talked totally in Spanish. This was her first weekend at Adelitas and she wasn't used to meeting gringos. Her English was nonexistent. I doubt she had even learned "sucky, fucky" yet. She was a Newbie in Tijuana. She had been a dancer in Matzatlan and heard there was more money to be made in TJ. She ask me to buy her a drink and I was totally honest with her. I explained that the incredibly sexy girl standing a few feet away, occasionally looking at me and smiling, was a friend of my "amiga especial" and that it would be disrespectful for me to buy another girl a drink. She looked nervously around and pushed those big, soft hooters even harder into my body. She asked me what made my friend so special and I explained how the time I spend with her is truly wonderful. "No problemas" (No problems), "No celosa" (No Jealousy), and "mejor para ambos" (better for both). Also that we have great "citas" (dates) away from la zona. When I mentioned the "no celosa" part, her eyes lit up, her head moved, and she got a big smile. She really liked that. She told me that the real reason she left Mazatlan and came to TJ was because of problems she was having with jealous clients. Eventually we left to have "cena" (dinner) at one of the restaurants. We talked about Tijuana, Adelitas, mejor para ambos, citas, and her life for at least an hour and a half. After awhile it dawned on me. She was alone in the big city and needed a friend. Although I had no intention of winding up "en la cama" (in bed) with her, she made me an offer I couldn't refuse. $20.

Regards,
RickFeliz

Afternoon AB girls can be had for $30, real hotties for $40. There are no girls in CC in thec early afternoon. My round trip mileage is 240 LA county to border and back. Dinner with drinks is $10 if you eat tachos at $1 each, and that includes the chica. Spending $100 on anything less than all night is too much. There are enough girls at AB to get a room for the night for $30, take up 6 girls in 2 days with 1 all nighter and spend no more than $350. I know because I have done it!!

Duece. I believe your story. I was just confused on the actual length of the time that you've been doing TJ. I also found it strange when I first read your trip report that you made repeated references of $30 chicas. I guess you were venting on that. I go with chicas I deem hot, and they don't take my $40 offer nowadays. I need to settle with $50. I pay $60 to my favoritas who give me more than 1 hour. Your story is frightening. But, at the same time, I know I am too cheap to drop c-notes for BBBJ. If I had ever thought of that strategy, I'd have prepared enough $5 bills. So, there is some hope that I won't blow as much as you did. :-) Good luck with your substance problem.