I can't believe there's no thread for the girl for which the term "Ice Queen" was pegged by the vet TJ guys. I remember seeing her on many occasions not looking at guys who would buy her a drink or even get up and walk away while they were talking to her.

She was retired for a long time and I had been seeing her recently, but it's now confirmed that she is working and not just visiting. She seems more friendly, but still far from what you would consider a decent vibe.

Her hair is brown now and she doesn't quite have the same awe-inspiring presence she used to have, but she's still attractive enough to drum up business regardless.

I hope someone does her and reports, I'm curious about the kind of service she's providing now but find it hard to go with girls that don't give good vibes.

I just found an old pic posted of her, I think it was 10/01/01 in the TJ photo section. That photo looks like it was near the time she retired. She looks better in person and looked spectacular in her prime.

Photo link added

I was REALLY surprised to see Lilia return, and she was working out of AB, not CC. I didn't get a chance to talk to her, but I observed her for a while and she seemed to be in decent spirits, not the Ice Queen she once was.

Anyone interested, I recommend grabbing her without delay. She seems to work very sporadically ever since her first retirement.

I remember this girl from many years ago ('98?). She was probably just 18 back then. She looked great but was a total bitch. She also used to wear a lot of glittery eye makeup. She was much, much hotter than the picture shows. I approached her friend some time later and asked about her. I can't remember what she said about her, but I don't think they were on friendly terms anymore. Her friend wasn't as good looking, but good enough. And, she was pretty good to talk to before getting down to business. I wish I could remember her name, but I haven't seen her around for years.
If Lilia has mellowed, I might have to give her a try.

Lily/Lilia has returned again. I was in CC last nite and hit her at 9:15pm. Not sure what time she came in, but that is when I first made contact with her. I never did her before her retirement so I wasted no time with conversation or drinks. She quoted 60 and I said lets go. I knew her past history so I was ready for Ice Queen rush mode.

First a brief update on her looks. She's gained some poundage since I last saw her. Not fat but, she's just kind of soft all over. In fact, she admits she is bit overweight. If she just ran a mile a day she could tone that body right up. She's got tattoos all over her midsection. Stars or something like that? Maybe someone else can clarify. To me they looked like a train wreck. Just not attractive.

Most IceQueen's limit conversation but she was quite talkative which surprised me. She asked me alot of questions and complimented my appearance(mentirosa, ha ha) She's also speaks english quite well. She asked me about how much I frequent TJ so I asked her how long she'd been there. She admitted she worked for quite some time before but recently returned becuase she got a divorce. She said she was married to an Asian guy and he cheated on her. She was very open about this so I don't feel I'm breaching any type of confidentiallity with her.

I enventually went for a second round later in the eve. She charged 60 each time. As I said I've always wanted to do her but never did. I knew she had a bad rep so I don't know what she was like in the room pre-retirement but she wasn't Ice Queen like with me. Very talkative and pretty into the sex("relatively speaking" as Maverick would say). I guess time can humble a woman. What's crazy is after the session she even asked if she could leave when I was about to take my shower(she showered first). It doesn't really bother be if a girl doesn't walk down with me because I like to take my time at this point. But the fact she asked politely shocked me.

Well, now I can scratch another one off the To-do-list. Although I'm happy to say I finally hit this chica, I'm in no rush to repeat with her at the moment. But she's a good one to have on the back burner when the pickings are slim.

I totally blanked on asking how long she is going to be there. But I'm sure she'll at least be there the rest of the weekend.

Congratulations on doing a classic and a trophy and having a good time with her.

Lilia lost the reputation a little while ago. I'm suprised it's not in this thread, but I probably posted such in a roll call or two.

She still has a little bit of the attitude, but her reputation is mostly based on her bar attitude rather than her service in the room. When she's moody, she can be very unfriendly in the bar. I've seen her just got up and walk away from guys a number of times. It's actually kind of amusing to see the looks on their faces when she does that. Nowadays, she seems to just not talk and eventually excuse herself when she doesn't want to wait for a guy to take her upstairs, which is pretty standard behavior.

I've heard that Lilia doesn't really need to work, so anyone wanting to do her should get to it right away. Last time she worked I think it was only for a day or two.

She should be easy to find. The photo at the top of this thread is accurate except she looks a little older and her cheeks are filled out a bit. She hangs out with her friends Anna, a girls with long curly brown hair, and Myra, Sofia's half sister.

FrontBC, I think I know your taste from your posts. You may want to check out Jasmin - Colima - Adelita Bar, I just posted a new thread on her. She's a more of a tall amazon blond, but facially she's in league with Lilia, Deyanira, Jessie, and Lucy.

d'art,

Thanks and I'll keep an eye out for Jasmin-Colima-AB.

Frontbc,

I was in Chicago at around 10 on.
I wonder if I saw you.
I did see Lila but I did not know her until I was talking about her while standing in front of AB.
I still am more attracted to Deyanira and Jessie but Lila did catch my eye without knowing who she was. I did not approach her as I did notice the poundage was not my type.

Maximus,

I'm sure our paths crossed. I sit all over the place when in CC. That's the plus of CC over AB. It's not as crowded so you can roam and sit anywhere fairly easily. This nite I was at the bar on the right when you first walk in nursing my beer. This spot has a good view of the alcove and observing when a girl comes back in.

Deyanira is still Miss TJ for me. Lily/Lilia could be hot if she just lost a few pounds. That's why I thought she was Gabby at first because to me Gabby could be way hot too but her butt is just to thick for me. But Gabby's is not a soft butt just one of those huge solid booties. She couldn't work out to lose it. It's all solid. Now Lilia can do something about her's. That's what happens when you're married and comfortable and don't have to compete with other girls. I'll put money on it that there will be an improvement with the weight issue if she sticks around.

WOW! She's porked up? That would make her PERFECT!!!

But I don't need to hear this right now... I am trying my DAMNDEST to maximize funds for the next trip to Asia. I keep repeating to myself that MEXICO SUCKS, MEXICO SUCKS! But then I have those images of the 4 giant-titted massage girls that I fucked Friday night telling me, "SI PAPI, SI PAPI!"

MAKE IT STOP! MAKE IT STOP!!!

Porker,

here's some help:

FOCUS! MEXICO SUCKS, MEXICO SUCKS, MEXICO SUCKS!

have fun in ASIA!

I wouldn't say porked up, I think they're saying in relation to the lipo'd hourglass girls. Lilia still has a nice body IMHO, just not a tight hourglass.

FrontBC if Lilia and Gabby are too big for you, you won't like Jasmin, but I think you'd appreciate her facial beauty.

Yeah, porked up is pretty extreme. Lilia and Gabby do still look great to me but I had to be somewhat critical because, realatively speaking, Lilia just wasn't as hot as she used to be. I wish I could say she was smoking hot but she just wasn't. But her face did have a glow to it but she's got this husky raspy voice that also took me by surprise. Maybe she was getting over a cold.

To me awhile back Gabby was way fine and fun, but I haven't gone up with her in awhile. The sessions peaked.

The one getting my mojo going is Mary Magdelena AB and if you know her, she's got a tight spinner body so when I make comments about Gabby and Lilia she's the benchmark. So is Deyanira but she's not a novelty anymore. Sessions peaked also. But when I'm feeling it Miss TJ gets my business anyway.

I was thinking the othter day the zona really needs some new HC shipments. Maybe by going once a week I'm expecting to much or maybe I'm just not straying from my type of chica to find gold eslewhere.

Alot of these hotties we're talking about have been around for quite sometime. i.e. Lilia, Gabby, Arleth, Paola(i haven't done Myra yet), Deyanira, Jessie etc. I remember when these girls where all new and young, they still are, but when is the new wave coming to replace them.

They are all still worth a session here and there but when was the last time you were actually blown away by a session with any of them?

Maybe I'm just jaded.

Nope you are not jaded just stating the reality.

Deyanira is at the top of my list right now but Miss TJ?

Put her in the USA and no one would ever guess she is Latina.

She does not look Latina at all.
She looks more Eastern European.
Ie. Sharp features and white skin.

If you had to crown anyone Miss TJ at the Moment who would it be? By Miss TJ, I mean the hottest chica overall with no limitaion of needing to have Mexican/Latina features.

I agree Deyanira along with Jessie, Paola, Myra, Arleth... none of these blondes look latina at all.

That is why I'm digging Mary Magdelena. She could possibly pass for a European too, but she's got awesome dark skin, black hair and, to me, great facial features that every time I look at her and watch her walk it makes me say "Caliente" to myself. But she looks alot more latina than any of the blonde girls I've mentioned above. Breasts are the only thing MM is lacking but those legs make up for it.

Frontbc, I can't believe you like Malena but haven't posted anything about Silvia - Mazatlan yet. I'm guessing you haven't seen her because she doesn't seem to work too predictably, but she's definitely in town now (and Malena isn't).

Completely agree on the lack of new talent. Most of the best lookers are recycled. Hottest new girls IMHO are Sonia - Culiacan CC, Sylvia - Mazatlan AB, and Denise - Mazatlan AB.

Myra was good to me, I'd say go ahead and do her.

Do you know Deyanira's friend Fernanda at CC (brunette, long hair, skinny, small chest, hangs out with Michelle, Jocelyn, Melissa, too)? She's pretty hot but I know a mega-bitch story about her.

Good posts all! I'm wondering about the working girls here. They seem to date/marry within regular club goers. My theory is it's like the american porn industry where they all date/marry people within their industry because it's tough finding someone outside who understands their occupation.

BTW, Sonia of CC is just straight gorgeous but I find it hard to get her w/o some other sausage picking her up.

I've known of a number of veteran classic girls that have gotten out of the business with a guy they met from the clubs. Of all of these relationships, I can only think of one that is still successful.

I've seen guys waiting by the door for Sonia. Good luck.

Tung

Most girls have boyfriends of husbands already. If they do marry or date thier clients most of the time it is money motivated and they moved on after they get what they need. Never look for a relationship with a working girl.

Good Luck
Milkman

"Never look for a relationship with a working girl."

Milky
You might want to pass this on to some of your closer friends from CH.

They don't seem to agree.

And these are the same guys that spend somewhere towards 1k a week on these girls to be thier novias yet don't even know where they live.

Not everyone will agree on this

I know where she lives. After all, I bought her house!!!

Snapper,

Thanks for the house.

FrontBC aka Lilia's Padrote

Just kidding!!!!! I couldn't resist getting in on your joke. You are joking, right?

Yes, I'm joking.

Lilia is a brunette now, I think it makes her look significantly older.

D'art,

Older in a good way? Wait, that sounds stoopid. Dumb question. Its too bad becasue I thought her hair was perfect the last time I saw her. Light brown with blondish highlights.

What is with this hair coloring phase the Zona is going through?

Well now we know she changed her hair, how about the poundage?

Girls hit the gym not the salon! Bad hair is a turn off but a bad body is even worse.

Well, I was Horn-hay for Tee-jay so I made a rash decision and hit TJ on a weekend nite. Vey much unlike me. But I started out in AB and ended up in CC.

I hung out in CC for the longest time. I set up shop at the short bar. And when Lily came in she spotted me and gave a big smile and a wave. I was surprised that she remember me because I don't pride my looks as something that you would want to commit to memory. (BTW, d'art, the brunette look didn't bother me. She still has some blonde highlights. JMHO.)

But, I'm playing the field so I don't approach her. But through out the nite she keeps trying to get in my eye line and when she does she smiles and I just nod with acknowledgement. This is poker. No tells. Now I'm watching her the whole nite and she does this with no else. Trust me, I have no illusions that this girl likes me nor do I fall for these girls games of trying to send me signals that I am special. I just like to kick back and observe. I wanted to catch her doing it to someonesle to confirm my belief but I got no such confirmation. Whatever, I still know I'm not secial. I'm a guy with a wallet.

Later on in the eve. Deyanira comes into the picture. Now Deyanira and Lily are both in the Alcove. Now I'm watching a tennis match at the USopen. I keep bouncing my head back and forth between these two chicas. Zero vibe from Deyanira but everytime I look at Lily I'm getting a good vibe.

Nothing else in CC was appealing so I took Lily. Good conversation. I was in CC a few times inbtween my first encounter with her and this one. She asks why I didn't approach her on those other visits. I don't know how I came up with this answer but I look her straight in the eyes and this is what I said, "I come to TJ alot but I don't always go up to the room with a girl. Its got to be really, really right for me to ask someone up." She was taken back and smiled. I guess it made her feel special that I picked her. I really didn't lie becasue there have been times I've been to TJ and didn't partake and it's very true that I look for some kind of vibe before taking a chica up.

Anyway, it was a consistent session with the last ones but I don't know what condom the hotel guy gave us because this one was like a hefty 4-ply cinch sack. Her pussy is just right but the sensation was lacking due to this thick ass condom. I know I should bring my own but I've never had this problem before.

More funny post session conversation. I don't know Lily well enough to know if she is lying or not. Maybe I'm just to jaded but I just don't trust most of what these girls say. And I don't even ask that many questions. But she just kept offering information about herself. She's like, "Did I tell you I have a kid." I'm like no, but in the back of my mind I'm like why are you telling me this. When it comes time to pay at the very end of the half hour she's like what did you pay me last time. I say 60 and she's like okay. After I said 60, I wish I had said 50 just to see where that would have taken us.

Anyway, she said she doens't like working again and she is thinking maybe next week will be her last weekend. Good for her, if she can quit but I don't know where the money is going to come from, but this possible retirement is a heads up for anyone that wants to hit her before she leaves again.

frontbc,
That's what they all say but you'll see them again next week. When I hit up Deyanira last Dec, she told me she's going to quit in March. It's March and still hasn't bought up anything about quiting. I think if they like you, they'll play a little hard to get IMO.

Everything's going great with me and Deyanira. I just play it cool now and not head over heels. Had a GFE experience last out with her finally holding my hand, showing respect, and giving me the longest BJ I'd ever had even when she complained of having a headache.

I guess it's true, be a jerk and they'll like you more, treat them nice... well nice guys finish last...

Tung858,

I hear you. I can't take anything these chicas say too seriously. If these chicas only knew that "honesty" wins my heart quicker than games. And if they won my heart they may get to my wallet easier(I'm too smart to let that happen but women are smarter than men, i think?!?.

But the more games they play, I just put a bigger lock on mi dinero.

Congrats on scoring with Deyanira. I truly feel looks wise she is "Miss TJ". You have my utmost praise for getting her. Not sure how far you want to take it but good luck. I wish I was in your shoes for a minute or two. maybe a few more.

Tung

That is good news for you but bad for me as I was hoping to step in where you left off.

I have been approaching my situation with her in a very slow way so as to like you say play it cool instead of drool over her like all the other dudes that chase after her.

I would be the happiest guy if I could have a relationship with her like you did but of course did not end like yours .

Also I am at a disadvantage as I have not been to the zona in three weeks and when I do return I will shortly thereafter be out of town for work two months may and June.

I will amazingly enough be in Mexico but way down south and not within driving distance to TJ to see my favortia Deyanira.

(Message edited by maximus743 on March 31, 2004)

Maximus,

There is a positive side to being gone for awhile. When you do step to Deyanira, she'll see you as a fresh face in CC. So you'll have no history to explain.

Knowing what I know now, I would love to walk into these bars with a clean slate. That's why we need some new shipments.

2 months? Man, that's a long time. Have a good business trip!

Maximus,
Don't worry man, you can have her. I'm pretty much through with Deyanira. First off, she's not honest at all even during the peak of my times. Any relationship with a girl like that is just a disaster waiting to happen. If you're up for the challenge, I'll guarantee she'll break you in half, seriously. Looks is a catch but attitude can only take you so far. Like they say, she's a 10 at first but soon enough she becomes a 1. My advice, start from the bottom and move up. I wished I knew that when I first became a monger a year ago. You practice with the girls you don't care and move up, that way you recognize what games they play and are then prepared for the trophies.

Well, I guess she notices my fan club. Chicks compete I guess. I've perfected my suave attitude and moves down there that's why everytime I kick it with a girl, there'll be like all these chicks (Marbel, Jessica, Marisa, Mari-Anne, Stephanie, Michelle, Jesse, and esp. Deyanira and her friends.) with their eyes on me and the girl I'm with. Only half of them I've taken upstairs and the other half I've bought drinks for. You'll always know if I'm there when either Jessica and Her or Both begin hypnotically stare and glance and bobble their heads up and down in my direction. They always do even when I'm not with a girl.

Word of advice, you'll have so much fun with a girl that likes you first. If you force them hoes to like you, they'll never do. Already, I've got half of those chicks to buy me gifts and the other half took me out for the night with them paying! Deyanira included. Pussy is pussy IMO.

Hey if you guys wanna go down there sometimes and see me in action just email me at tung858 at yahoo. Sometimes my friends get lazy and I hate going alone. Sorry, no guys over 35, I gotta keep a good reputation and kick it with a young crowd.

Lastly, I really like Mari-Anne. She just started this year, sorta thick but has a nice pair of ass and tits and lots of tattoo on back. Problem is she wears the same thing everyday, blue-jeans unzipped and a helter top. Don't know why cuz she makes a bunch of money? I took her out to baby rock and balak. I know I have game seeing how these other mongers wear their hearts for her on their sleeve but she has a crush on me and chooses to walk over and be with me.

Also, most of these chicks really dig and hang outside the clubs with asian guys. I don't know why but I guess it's in the eye's of the beholder. Just be there and have fun and take nothing seriously, otherwise you'll go against what you're really there for.

And, Adelitos has the nicest chicks (some better than Deyanira IMHO) there but it's just so damn crowded and hot and not as upscale as CC.

Tung858,

You be speaking the truth. In the long run TJ chicas aren't worth the effort. Now the short term is another story... But even the short term brings about drama.

Who trains these chicas to have their logic. I think they BS and lie so much they don't know what the truth is anymore. Its unfortuante, but its just a defense mechanism on their part.

Unfortuantely there are some straight up good genuine guys that come down to TJ and they miss out on them because they're playig their chica games. Speaking the truth would actually reward them more. IMHO

Tung

good comments, it reminds me of scott baio or bayo, you know the guy, chachi. He said, 'for every good looking girl out there, theres a guy who is tired of her'

Tung...you absolutely, positively have to get over yourself. The girls at CC have always had Asian boyfriends(especially Vietnamese) for a myriad of reasons and none of which has to do with being attractive.

A vast majority of the mongers in CC are Asian so it's more likely they will have Asian boyfriends. In addition, a lot of the Asian mongers go there on a regular basis and are seen as more than just divembombing pump and leave mongers. The Asian guys go there many times with the purpose of finding a side girl....why else would it be so common as to see Asian guys in a big group buying drinks for the girls all night and never taking them up. Moreover, Asian mongers in TJ are much younger than your average monger and tend to dress well and take care of themselves. They also tend to be quite generous with gifts and money to their "Favorita""girlfriend", etc.

I am 35 and it seems sort of pompous to exclude guys because you feel they will cramp your style. Let's face it, in America Asian men are only considered attractive by other Asian women. Ever wonder why there are always Asian women models in magazines but never male Asian models in the US an Europe....makes one wonder. But in CC, everyone is on the same page because it's all about the money.

To think that all the girls in CC are staring at you and that you are the stud of CC is a joke.

You mean they weren't staring at me cause I am so good lookin'??

Dang....another dream shattered!

Sorry guys, didn't mean to sound too conceited. I'm just stating the facts. Anyways, the way I see it, these broads are just friends with benefits. I see it as the same as hanging and going out with your friends. You spend money, have a good time, and get laid.

I meet women everywhere I go both US and Mex. It's one of my weekend hang out spots and just stuff there you can do that you can't in the US (Not just last call 4 alcohol at freaking 2am). It's just so happens that you get one of those tingling feelings when you meet someone new and then you become hooked.

That's what happened to me and it'll happen again. You gotta remember, these sweethearts meet all types of men and it's human nature to sometimes feel passion and overlook their occupation. Business may be business but sometimes these girls don't think about it when they become infatuated. Just like us guys.

Also, I think it's true that only asian women cater to asian guys here in the US (there are exceptions of course) and I think the asian features on men is the ugliest even though I'm mostly asian myself but luckily my French grandfather thankfully gave me the attractive features.

Guys, just have fun and the last thing you should worry about is getting a sweetheart and instead focus on safe sex. Have you seen the STD picx? I know blood may not be in your brain in the heat of moment but try and control, it's your life, don't make it your last night!

"Sorry, no guys over 35, I gotta keep a good reputation and kick it with a young crowd."



Blazers not every girl there has an Asian boyfriend. I will agree that they may have Asian providers but most have those old and tired padrotes waiting to get paid.
And have you hit Trophys lately ?

take care
Milk

Funny thing Tung, I had read your March 30th shortly after you posted it and was going to post, but just got around to it now. I was going to quote you on the following passage.

"Everything's going great with me and Deyanira. Had a GFE experience last out with her finally holding my hand, showing respect, and giving me the longest BJ I'd ever had even when she complained of having a headache."

My response was going to be something like. "No offense intended, but you really sound a little naive if after all this time (almost a year now?) that you are saying things are going well based on a nice BJ and her finally holding hands and giving you respect."

So I was getting ready to write this when I scrolled down to see your message posted the very next day.

"I'm pretty much through with Deyanira. First off, she's not honest at all even during the peak of my times"

Well, at least it sounds like you had a good roll.

BTW, can you describe Mari-Anne and Marisa? Our tastes appear to be similar, yet I'm not familiar with those names. I know a Maritza at CC but she's not in league with the others. There's also an Annie at AB that also goes by Mari-Anne, I think, but I would think she's too old for you.

I'm surprised Fernanda was not on your list. She's very pretty, often wears a black choker. Possible name change...do you know her?

Sorry to say guys, I think Deyanira and cousin Jessie has quit. Tried calling but number has been going straight to voicemail. Either that or on spring break or until use up all dinero.

Oh yeah, what's the scoop on lily, haven't seen her in weeks. Last time I saw her she was looking mighty juicy. I wonder, if these girls quit, how do they supplement their income to levels of working. For me I always move up the salary scale, never down in order to maintain my lifestyle.

BF or husband can only go so far and decide it's not worth it.

If they decide to open a biz, no way can they still make that much and it's a large chance that it'll fail. Even in America, if you start your biz, there's like a high failure rate ~90% and that's in the richest country.

Tung,

thanks for the heads up! Hopefully this trio; Deyanira, Jessie, and Lily, haven't retired. It was lent and Easter recently so maybe they celebrated that monthlong Holiday(sorry I don't know the PC term to call it). Maybe they gave up Mongers for lent[I am so joking ]

Maybe Lily reconciled with her Hubby? As I said in an earlier post she hated coming out of retirement and wanted to quit the next week but who knows when they speak the truth.

Only time will tell. If see them I'll post asap and we all know d'ART is the man with his roll calls too.

Lent and Easter being a month long? Including spring break? But I do notice my waiter hasn't been around for a couple weeks so I'm hoping that's it.

Have you guys been to the local bars near the border, not where the majority are americans but actually mexican. The local chicks are hot I was told and none of the working girls can compare. He knows I'm into Deyanira and said that there are girls at her level or higher! A friend of mine hooked up with a blond gal he told me and plus they love us Americans cuz we can afford to take them out, unlike the local guys. I don't mean to degrade but if wages are 20 bucks a day, there's not much you can do if you take a girl out. I will one day find the scoop and use my limited spanish and hopefully land a clean broad if I do run into one.

I would love to check out non putas at the local bars but have no idea where they are or what ones your buddy is talking about

Milky
Can you give us any help here?

Lily was in my April 2 roll call and I might have seen her once since then, but not in the last week or two.

I think we'll probably see all three again, Jessie being the most likely followed by Deyanira then Lilia.

TJ waiters, touts, and taxi drivers will say just about anything. I'm skeptical you'll find first tier equivalents at the local bars, the girls go where the money is. I have a hard enough time finding girls I like at places like Chavelas and Tropical, so finding someone like Deyanira at the bars that are even more focused towards locals? He might be sincere, but if he is I suspect the bias comes from being able to afford having sex with them and not the AB/CC girls.

I think the bars Tung is referring to are the ones along Articulo 123 such as Fracaso and Diamonte. Closer to the border than that are all targeted towards tourists I believe.

Oh, I wasn't talking local sex bars, I was referring to regular bars where local girls hang out. I forgot the name but he hooked up with a girl that is a hair stylist. Was told she only makes 20 bucks a day. Don't know much beyond that but will write up a post once I experience it myself. My luck at places like Balak or Baby Rock isn't all that great since girls there go in groups and have their force fields up. I think half the girls there are from the states and local girls just can't afford to get in.

We're looking forward to the reporting for additional hunting grounds, but I don't know if I'd personally have the patience to score at places like that.

Well, saw Lilia last night standing right behind me next to that tall over 6feet 3rd rock from the sun girl. My friends and I joked that Lilia looked kinda like Jan Brady from Brady Bunch.

I kinda liked her more with the extra weight but I'm now sorta off limits since I'm dating Vanessa (very short, looks like penelope cruz). We're going out tonight after she gets off work at 1am. I'm just gonna use her to go around town and hopefully hook up with local nonworking broads. Also to get free puzzy now and then.

What I hear about the scoop with Lilia is that she is now divorced. Most likely she is just milking her exhubby so she doesn't need to work unless have to. You guys know how long she was married?

Also went into Adelitas, oh my god eye candy everywhere but every chick seemed anal. What I hear about the working girls everywhere from a TJ vet is you have to be kinda mean to them, never treat 'em like a gentleman otherwise they'll just disrespect you. Typical of any girl in US and Mex nowadays.

"You guys know how long she was married?"

Tung,

thanks for the Lilia update. If memory serves me, I think she told me her son was 3 yrs old. And if the asian dude that she was married to is the father I'm guessing length of marriage would be in that time frame. I kinda remember her saying her son was half asian and half mexican so he could be the father/ex-husband. But who can really believe anything these chicas say anyway.

goodluck with Vanessa. I think this is the one that dissed me on a slow nite in CC one time.

Screw Vanessa, got stood up last night. Man, these girls are good, they know how to work a man's ego. So instead, I took up Gabby upstairs instead of waiting around like a chump that got dumped.

I kinda of know now how to tell the distinction between flirtation and real interest. When you take them upstairs and begin the process of putting your clothes back on, you'll notice in the corner of your eyes that they'll look at you deeply. And when you catch them doing it, she'll smile. This has happened with only two girls (outta twenty) and my gut feeling (not heart or head) says this is a major signal of true interest.

Anyone else had this experience?

When you don't get this buying signal, like Colin Farrell(bad boy) says "fuck em and ditch em". Things like holding hands, head on shoulders, light kissing, etc. means nothing.

I got this vibe from Gabby upstairs. I took a chance cuz I know my friends had horrible experiences with her but hey, she was my only type of girl there. But in the room, she was not only friendly but gave a really good BJ and rode me like a saddle. Very nice round ass.