Stands at the extreme right edge of the "Monaco Bar Building".

Easily identified in that she always wears a headband (to hide her "poblana" hairline" ?).

Basic services for 100 pesos.
Absolutely refuses to: BBBJ or suck tits for 50 pesos extra.

Snug pussy (no kids).

YMMV (of course)
(Vale la pena.)

I would like to share my sad story with the membership of Club Hombre in the hope that i save some other people the money, time and especially emotional pain that i have been through with Citlali over the last 1 1/2 years.

I met Citlali in the zona in August 2003. I thought she was a sweet, innocent girl that got caught up in the life and wanted out. I COULD NOT BE MORE WRONG!!!

After taking her out DAILY over 6 months, bowling, movies etc..we became close. I thought she loved me and I had strong feelings for her. So one day i asked her to marry me. She said yes..

This is where it gets very bad. I bought her a house in t.j., a ring and a wedding dress. Shortly after buying the ring (2 days) our house is robbed i had all sorts of easily sold medications and other items in the house but what did they steal?? You guessed it!! The diamond ring. Nothing else. No clothes strewn on the floor, no dumped drawers, nothing. But the biggest tip-off of an inside job was HER REACTION. NOT ONE TEAR, SCREAMING, ANGER NOTHING. Strange isnt it??? My guess pawned it.

Well after this i cut back on the money to get a reaction. Like night and day. Instant bitch, looking for an excuse daily to break up with me.

Then i start getting phone calls at the house from some cholo pretending to be her relative. I find out later its her padrote.. Over the course of the last month i have found out that she has run this game on NUMEROUS men and even other members of Club Hombre.

Their game is to get to your heart, then your wallet. BELIEVE ME it works. It is a miracle i am not dead. After i bought the house they could have killed me. It would have been very easy to sneak someone in while i was sleeping and bash my head in. The only saving grace is that i put the house in both our names, guess they couldnt quick sell it!! WATCH YOURSELF!!! KEEP HER IN THE ZONA!!! NO OVERNIGHTERS!! I have no other motive other than to keep these type of lowlifes from runing this game on others.

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I would like to share my sad story with the membership of Club Hombre in the hope that i save some other people the money, time and especially emotional pain that i have been through with Citlali over the last 1 1/2 years.
I met Citlali in the zona in August 2003. I thought that she was a sweet, innocent girl that got caught up in the life and wanted out. I COULD NOT BE MORE WRONG!!!!
After taking her out DAILY OVER A 6 month period, bowling, movies, etc.. we became close. I thought she loved me and i had strong feelings for her. One day i popped the question and she said yes.
This is where it gets very bad. Thinking i had a future wife i bought her a house in T.J., a diamond ring, and a wedding dress..
Shortly after buying the ring our house is robbed (2 days) ripped the security bars off the side of the house. I had all sorts of medications and other small, easily sold items in the house but what did they steal?? You guessed it!! The diamond ring. They didnt take anything else. They knew exactly where it was. No clothes strewn on the floor, no dumped drawers, nothing. But the biggest tip-off of an inside job was HER REACTION. NO TEARS, NO CRYING, NO SCREAMING, NOTHING!!! Kind of strange reaction isnt it? My guess pawned it.
Well after this incident i decide to cut back on the money a little to get a reaction. Like night and day, instant bitch daily looking for any excuse to break up with me. Then i start to get phone calls at the house from some cholo pretending to be her relative. I found out a few months later that this is her padrote from Puebla.
I have come to find out that she has run this game on many other men, even on other members of Club Hombre!! Their game is to get to your heart then get to your wallet!! BELIEVE ME IT WORKS. It is a miracle that i am not dead!! After i bought the house they could have easily killed me by slipping someone in while i was asleep. Another unfortunate T.J. statistic.
The only saving grace is that i put the house in both our names and she wouldnt be able to quickly sell it. WATCH YOURSELF!!!! KEEP HER IN THE ZONA!!! FOR YOUR SAFETY NO OVERNIGHTERS!!!
I have no other motive than to keep these lowlifes from running this game on others.

ASK HER ABOUT JOHN. SEE THE REACTION.

Man, sorry to hear of this disturbing dilemma. But like many, I probably have a hundred questions. How much did you pay for this house in TJ? Did you lose on the property altogether? Are you seeking monetary compensation? Silly question I know, but if that were me, I'd be beyond pissed.

There are similar horror stories of this nature from other lonely heart mongers who have loved and lost-me being one of them, but my scenario with an ex Las Chavelas chica is different from yours, but along the same lines.

I guess you can't be too careful.

Master Bates.

I paid 40000 down on a 70000 house. I GAVE IT BACK TO THE ORIGINAL OWNER RATHER THAN HAVE HER PROFIT FROM IT!!! No pissed wont help me but informing everyone will. God i wish i heard of this website 2 years ago. It would have saved my ass.

Is there a reason you're not posting a single photo? As they say a picture is worth a thousand words.

pics coming soon

Of course Grunt these girls want tuff guys to run thei lives not wimpy mongers to give them eveyrthing they want. Mexicans are very much into Machoism. I feel bad for your situation, too bad I didnt know you as i could have saved you the time and heartbreak and a few pesos

Not to rub salt in your wounds but you need to expect the worst with these girls. Always protect yourself, especially financially. Even if you weren't scammed, something else may have happened. Who was to say your relationship was going to last forever? You had way more to lose than to gain.

I think all of us mongers have been duped one way or the other. I used to be a soft touch and got burned several times but WTF, we live and hopefully learn. My conclusion and will probably get bashed is that you can take the puta out of the zone(club, etc) but you can never take the puta out of the girl.

We have to stop being saviors and accept the fact that most of these Latinas are doing what they are doing for survival. Sure its shitty but they chose that life and is part of their custom to use their bodies.

I learned alot from Roxanna in BA who gives tours to guys and who was a working girl. We are never gonna change the way the girls are and if you think you can your crazy.

My 2 cents and await the bashings

No bashings, just want to say your comments are right on.

Pecs I agree and I will say this again. These girls don't want to be rescued they all have tuff guys at home waiting for them.
Machoism is what it is all about in Mexico not the money !!!

My condolences dude. I got away much cheaper some time ago 20 bucks...

Pecs

It's the same way in Asia - you can take the girl outta the bar, but you can't take the bar outta the girl.

E

Epi, not to argue against your post or anyone elses, but there are some mongers who have found everlasting love from an ex-hooker. One of them you know (I really don't want to give out his handle due to respect for his privacy)

I agree you can take the puta out of the bar, but you can't take the bar out of the puta,there are thos ex-putas who will see a window of opportunity where a monger wants to "rescue" her thereby seizes on it.

I don't know of many who have found permanent relationships with ex-hookers, but I do know of a couple. It works for some, it's just a case of finding Ms. Right (Or should I say Ms. Ex-Hooker)

Do I believe that are good relationships that can come from dating a hooker? Yes. I believe many things are POSSIBLE!! However, your changes of getting that 1 in 1000 girl is a pipedream. Look at all the success your friend "D" has had up until this point:

One girl would not allow him to remove her from la zona. She would rather work as a hooker in TJ instead of living in the US. Yeah, yeah, yeah, she doesn't want to be away from her baby. That's why she spends months outta the year in the "Y" formation in throwaway $4 hotels instead of with him or with her baby in her arms...

Another girl ended up being a coke fiend and cutting up all the brand new goodies he'd bought and stuffed into an apartment for her.

Now, these are the only two examples from "D", but it appears the ol' bird has a problem picking winners from this category.

As I stated before - would "D" be as willing to believe the bullshit were it to come from a Philippine bargirl? How about a whore working the corner in National City?

Perhaps their bullshit factor is calculated by the number of fucks/day multiplied by days in the biz. I can see it now:

"Oh, my girl only sucks 20 strange dicks a day. She LOVES me."

"Oh, MY girl only sucks 20 strange dicks a week. She LOVES me."

"Oh yeah? My girl only sucks 10 strange dicks a week!! I've got a special place in her heart.

"Really? My love-whore only sucks FIVE strange dicks a week - if THAT ain't love I don't know what is!!"

"Ha - you are ALL losers!! Mine claims to be a virgin and will only fuck me (and some of her favorite customers). Mine's the better candidate for a whore/wife."

Yeah, I know of people that have relationships with girls from bars - hell I know many more then you do!! I even know a guy that married a TJ bargirl. BTW, they are getting a divorce...

If past performance is indicative of future performance, then your friend "D" is gonna do the same thing over and over and over until one of these girls kill him. It's a shame as he's a nice guy. Too bad he's gonna destroy his life trying to "save" someone that really doesn't WANT to be saved or is (more likely) someone that should NOT be saved.

If there was a 1 in 1000 chance he'd live were he to jump off a cliff would he do that? Marrying a hooker from TJ is the same thing.

I'm done with this one. Complete and utter nonsense...

E

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Now i know who she is. The photo is a big help. Hopefully the next submitted photo will be a booking photo.

Hmmm ... you proposed to a SG? Wow.

I'm sure he's not the only one....

yeah i sure did, after i took her off the street for over a year. Definitely wont happen again.

Did you ever meet her boyfriend?

This doesnt surprise me at all, Grunty I hope you learned a lesson and won't do it again.
Explorer are you surpised you have met a lot of guys from these boards some still don't have a clue

yes i actually did run into her padrote/boyfriend after she left. Just by chance i was shopping at Commercial Mexicana in Plaza Rio, turned the corner and there they were, shopping for dog food for the dog i bought her!!! Confronted them both, of course he denied everything...said "I'm just a client". She ran out of the store threatening me with some kind of Mexican legal action if i didnt leave her alone. I WAS NOT FOLLOWING THEM, BUT I BET THEY THOUGHT I WAS!!! Everytime i see her in the zone she takes off for home!!! QUITE A SIGHT!!
Within 5 minutes up the street and in a taxi!!

So, let me ask the $64,000 question, any chance you plan to bang for 100 pesos when she is working?

not a chance. Im waiting for my HIV test results to come back. She is the only one i fucked for a year, lets hope its clean. Scary because i did her sans rubber MANY times.

Holy shit! I don't mean to be harsh, but what were you thinking, doing a former (probably current as well) street girl sans condom? I guess that old saying, "love is blind," is true in many different senses. Hopefully you're fine, and the lesson is learned, but Epi is absolutely right.

I'll always abide by my father's advice: "Son, if it flies, floats, or fucks, rent it, don't buy it."

Pragmatically, I would be extremely pessimistic about any relationship's chances if one of you is not fluent in the other's language. Baby talk isn't exactly the stuff of great lifelong partnerships.

I have been ga-ga-goo-gooing my way in TJ for years
But I agree Porker

but when an 18 yr old baby keeps calling me papi, all logic gets thrown out the window.

Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha !!!!Good one, Bullitt!

It is the same girl, but the picture does not look a lot like her in her work.

She wears a headband low on her forehead.

Her health card name is "***".

I feel for you buddy, I have been in love for about a year, and she jerks me around constantly.

of course, I jerk her around too.
But right now she is way ahead in the game.

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Correction: I am in love, but it is NOT Citlali.

But I will admit that (from her appearance) she is my kind of girl.

grunt03, I admire your
"I GAVE IT BACK TO THE ORIGINAL OWNER RATHER THAN HAVE HER PROFIT FROM IT!!!"

Good for you.

Yeah Pauncho, the rest of the card is Rodriguez Tellez. From San Pablo Del Monte, Tlaxcala Puebla. When i bought the house i had a copy of her birth certificate. Still have it, wonder what to do with it. Any suggestions????

Keep it. that's your only documented evidence against her should she try any weird legal shit against you, like harrasing her, following her, who knows? But don't throw it away.

MB thanks your right, maybe i should send a P.I. to Puebla to find mommy&daddy im sure they would like to know that she is fucking for a living and not " LIMPIANDO LAS CASAS".

anyone seen her on the street lately??

anyone seen her on the street lately?? heard she gained weight. face has rounded out.

Ha. That seems to be the same old story with a lot of these hookers in TJ these days. They're either cleaning houses, working as waitresses or working at one of the huge factories (Sony, Volkswagon) on the outskirts of town.

I know you have revenge on your mind right now, but divulging to her folks what their baby really does for a living while in Tijuana might not be the best route to go at the moment.

You may want to somehow confront her over the financial loss you invested. I know it's probably pointless to try and get any of the money back, but there's still a slight possibility, I hope.

On a very different subject, I was almost forced to reveal to my ex-novias family members back in Obregon what she was really doing for a living and how I had met her, but after careful consideration, I just let it go. I too, wanted retaliation for the way I was fucked over.

Like I said earlier, if that were me, if I had lost a financial investment to some hooker and her padrote I would fight to the ends of the earth to make sure they wouldn't reep the comforts of my loss.

Master B.

MB they didnt get the house i gave it back...had i not gave it back i would have burned it to the ground..Just hoping my HIV results are neg that's all. Sent in one of those anonymous test kits. Results in three business days, sweat it out over the weekend.

"heard she gained weight. face has rounded out."

Wait a minute here - Mexican women get FAT?!?! Nobody told ME about this!!

E

Yes, E. Where've you been? Why do you think I've died and gone to heaven every time I visit TJ?

Grunt03,

It comes to me that if you are not too late:

Create a mexican corporation (or have some mexican that you trust) buy the mortgage from the owner, then foreclose, then transfer it to you.

The additional money you would have to put up would only be what you still owed plus the administrative costs of doing it all.

Afterwards, I would advise (I'm no lawyer) you to dispose of it.

Just an idea.

As to you question "Has anyone seen her ?" See my first post, it's only a week old.

On the subject of telling her parents; They probably have already guessed by her sudden wealth.

If you told them, they would probably suffer quietly, but continue to accept whatever aid she sends.

Mexico is NOT a GUILT-based culture, it IS a SHAME-based culture. It would be more effective to insure that all her parent's neighbors and relatives know. the shame might force them to disown her or something.

I wish you would by a copy of "NTC's Dictionary of Mexican Cultural Code Words" and read it about five times. (ISBN# 0-8442-7959-5)

This would give you some insight into the culture and those activities you would term "Rip-Offs".

As you would then have a CONSCIOUS knowledge of the described cultural factors - as opposed to a mexican's unconscious experiencing them - you might even find yourself at an advantage from time

All of this wisdom from Sr Pauncho who has been in love with a Tijuana whore for a year....

Sr. P.

As I've tracked it, you've been in love with a Tijuana whore for far more than just a year. But it hasn't always been the same one.

Are you still trailin La Plaquita, or is it back to LLD et familias?

DG

My story is somewhat similar, but along the same lines. As stated before, I won't go into detail, as I think it is not the appropriate thread to pour out my bleeding heart over my break up. But something similar happened to me. And just when I thought I was smart enough, and mature enough to see the oncoming danger signs.

I think we (us veteran mongers) have all been down that road at some point or another. Although most are unlikely to want to admit it, I think some lose a little money in repeatedly visiting the chica when she's off work, wining and dining her and presenting her with expensive lavish gifts to win her over.

Sometimes it works. Some have lost only in emotional investment. Others, like myself, have plowed untold sums of money into a chicas bank account in the desired belief that she may return the same emotional feelings that I had for her.

I think we all subconsciously search for the same thing. We all want a chica (ex-hooker) who will only have feelings for the one guy whom they think will sweep them off their feet and carry them to a place of lifelong happiness.

Unfortunately, as is the latest case with Grunt03's case, things take a bad turn and the monger not only has his heart crushed, but is emotionally as well as financially robbed of his investment in wanting to begin a new life with someone he thought he could trust.

It's a cruel world out there. Maybe we're just doing what is definitely not considered the norm by accepted cultural standards, maybe we're just definitely looking for love in all the wrong places.

Master Bates.

My personal MO is to assume that all chicas have novios, and always weigh the service I get from them against the money I am paying and compare with what would happen if I just paid some other chica for similar services or time. So, if I spend a long weekend with a chica, and buy her $50 worth of stuff at Plaza Rio, how does that compare if I just paid some chica $50 for a trip to the room?

When you start getting into thousands of dollars, then you really need to step back and compare with what you would have gotten for that money at AB.

"I think we all subconsciously search for the same thing. We all want a chica (ex-hooker) who will only have feelings for the one guy whom they think will sweep them off their feet and carry them to a place of lifelong happiness."

Methinks that most of us are not as enthralled with this idea as you are. Follow this link:

http://atomfilms.shockwave.com/af/content/greedy06

The applicable parts are with the tree at the beginning and the very end. There's truth in what he says and if it applies to strippers then it applies DOUBLE to whores.

Do yourself a favor and try and find someone that works in a store, restaurant, bank or other non-whore place of employment and hook up with them. You are fooling yourself if you think it's gonna work with a whore. Oh yeah, there's the "my friend got HIS girl out" argument. Whatever. I bet if enough people drove 6" nails into their nose and through their brains one would eventually survive the procedure. Still, not sure it's the BEST way to pass the time, eh?

Chasing hookers for a wife is the BEST darn way to DOOM yourself to an even MORE fucked up life!! These people are broken and no amount of wishful thinking will change that.

Find a girl that is first attracted to YOU, not attracted to you via weekly deposits into her bank account.

E

EPi truer words havent been spoken!!!!
I will say it again these girls don't want to be rescued and certianly do not want dorky gringos for boyfriends.
I have found my girls at Las Pulgas and other discos throughout TJ. Why look for a hooker con drugas who wants nothing to do with you except drain your bank account.
It really doesnt make sense

many hookers are known to go to pulgas. I've been asked to go many times....by SGs even.