Since grunt03/holmes will just attack this based on the phony card/doctor argument if Citlali wanted to assure the monger community of her status an anonymous HIV test with the sample taken in your presence and mailed to a US testing firm would clear this sham up. I can think of many reasons why you/she would not want to do this so it is only a suggestion. I think Grunt got ripped off maybe but my bullshit detector was going off before grunt did the "build up" to his test. Only a suggestion and I'm sure we can help with the cost.

Senor Pauncho wrote
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If anyone has suggestions on how to make this procedure more "provable", I welcome your CONSTRUCTIVE input.

Mr.holmes is the poster child of someone with ZERO credibility. How dare he bring up credibility issues.

Aw, for crying out loud, give it a rest Mr. Holmes! You've been caught in too many lies and everyone's seen through the bullshit. Now why don't you just step up to the plate and fess up to being one of the many, many guys who goes searching for everlasting love in TJ (like a buddy of mine whom I'm always posting about) and admit you lost out financially as well as emotionally in a failed romantic relationship with a street prostitute whom you put so much faith and trust in?

Beachman....Don't think for one minute Milkman is another innocent victim of innocence in all this. As far as I'm concerned, Mr.Holmes/Grunt03 and Milkman are all in on this together.

Senor Pauncho, good work. You got to her before I did.

M. Bates

MB-

Both you and Milkman I have met and you both seem to be okay! I don't think Milkman would be into something like trashing a SG's reputation but who knows. I don't see any simularities in his and Grunt/Holmes writung style.

I do admit I am somewhat confused why Milkman went out of his to communicating with Grunt....I don't know if he knew him befor all of this or not!

MB

I would still like you to do as you said you would and go see her yourself and see if she checks out for you the way SP says she checked out for him.

Also as I mentioned in the Mexico chat even if this chica does not have aids if she is ripping off fellow mongers she should be avoided at all costs and mongers should be up in arms about this.

Ripoff chicas should always be outed and avoided . It is just plain wrong for anyone to rip someone off. Chicas or mongers.

No Maximus, I truly do not believe for one minute this SG Citlali is solely in the prostitution business in TJ as a "front" for being a scam artist in luring men to fall in love with her, thereby convincing lonely men to eventually invest in real estate property so that they can both live happily ever after, while she and her Padrote eventually takes him for everything he has.

You know something? I can tell you some personal horror stories from my own past experiences of how much money I've blown through relationships with Mexican prostitutes, but that's another story and not relevant to this thread.

I can also tell you through personal knowledge of a close friend of mine, who invests so much money (you really have no idea how much) along with emotional commitment towards his continuous efforts in trying to "rescue" a hooker from the seedy street life of hooking in TJ and make her his permanent live-in girlfriend back in the US. To me, this type of approach and behavior is the epitome of low self-esteem. But again, this is another subject for another day on another thread.

In truth, and the truth is out there somewhere, it's my firm belief Grunt03 is just one of the many sad lonely guys who goes that one step further in desperation of looking for romance, thereby falling in love with a TJ hooker. The problem was, She probably coudn't return that love. She felt nothing for him. To her, he was just another "John."

Grunt03 was "just another lonely guy" to Citlali. She's heard all these promises before, and she's probably been asked for her hand in marriage by many lonely desperate guys before too. Do you have any idea how many guys go to Tijuana looking for a permanent relationship with a hooker? It happens all the time. I hear this from so many hookers.

The point I'm trying to make is, we've all either heard these stories before (of guys from the US who have hookers as girlfriends) or we've become close to falling head over heels for some chica we had no business getting involved with in the first place.

I have not forgotten my promise. I will go seek out Citlali myself and get to the bottom of this. I was supposed to go down to TJ this week, but couldn't get the time off work. All I want to do, is invite her to lunch and get a feel for the type of chica she is.

And don't worry, I'm not going to breathe one word of CH to this chica. I'm deeply opposed to anyone ever mentioning CH or any discussion site about the chicas we seek out.

Master Bates.

Well done Bates.

From your very adept description of the situations that men fall into with these whores it seems that you have some first hand experience.

I'm surprised that people are still paying attention to this grunt/holmes bozo. I gave his story the benefit of the doubt at the beginning, 'cause I'm always concerned about health and safety, but now I suggest that this bullshit story just go away- along with the bullshitter.

Hey, I'm honest. Or at least try to be. I'll be as honest as I can, even at the risk of falling flat on my face in embarrassment when a fellow monger will either meet me face to face or repond with a post-warning of, "See, I told you so."

Yes, I've loved and lost, even quite recently too. And it involved an ex-hooker. But again, all this is beside the point and it's not about me. This is about Grunt03.

He is the one who should confront the issue of investing time, money and emotional commitment into a street prostitute whom he thought was going to save him from a desperate sad life of sheer loneliness. Unfortunately, some guys learn the heard way-when their check book is empty.

Master bates.

So, how good is Citaly in the sack?

Huh? Are you asking me or Mr. Holmes?

Masterbates after reading your post and some Pm's I got from other members I must say I am very dissapointed in you.
Why the fuck would I care what a puta is or isnt?

matter fact you will see me saying this girl desevered all that she took this poor sap for.

I have never done a SG and a few years since I have done a bar girl.
All I have done in this matter is verify A HIV test from a reputable company.

I will be at the next fiesta if you want to discuss this further. Masterbates you have gone off the deap end my friend. I will buy you some tacos next time we meet up and reccomend that you check yourself in for treatment.

Masterbates, I am asking the readership of thiss BBS. SOMEONE here should give us a report.

Volunteers?

Explorer

Ask Grunt.

E

Hey, I'm honest. Or at least try to be. I'll be as honest as I can, even at the risk of falling flat on my face in embarrassment when a fellow monger will either meet me face to face or repond with a post-warning of, "See, I told you so."

MB - Am I really that harsh?

E

Actually, E, I was referring to you when I posted that. I didn't want to mention your name as I rememberd you warned me more than once of the dangers and the downside of trying to bring home an undomesticated animal and try and tame it, as in the case of rescuing a hooker.

Glad to see you've found this thread. How's life in AC?

All his GF SPs chased him away...

I could never imagine this many words originating over something sooooooooooo butt ugly!

Amen.

I actually chatted with one of my Phlips this morning on Yahoo chat. DAMN that girl's looking cute!! May need to drop the PI back into rotation, then bring her up from the province for a few days of proper assfucking before hitting Fields again.

As for the Phils - I've not been back there since July.

MB

Taking a hooker from TJ into your home is like inviting the bull into the chinashop. They WILL destroy EVERYTHING.

BTW, life in Thailand ROCKS, but unfortunately I'm back in the states. This place sucks ass!! Called my Thai GF last night and I miss her willingness to please me any way she can...

DM

This bitch fell outta the ugly tree, smacking every branch, face first, on the way down. She was even nice enough to pick the TALL tree.

E

Epimetheus, LOL,LOL,LOL that was great can't stop fucking laughing the snot is coming out my nose!

I don't get to the TJ board very often but talk about a new definition for Coyote Ugly....Sheeeeesssseeee. You guys need to get a life. Try CR, Cartegena,Panama or Rio.

Buttfuckinguglyandwouldn'tdoherwithanychmongersdick.

Double sheeesssseeee....thats bad shit dudes!

My maid looks better, and she is fat and ugly....on purpose!

Sandmanwhowouldratherjackoffthanfuckthisuglybitch...

Epi...does that set the sentiment straight?

Come on guys, you can't be that hard up can you?

Sandman

I just figured this whole thing out! Refere to Citlali's first photo:

Look to the left!

See the bitch? (The pero, the Dog):

Grunt03 was but fucking the dog's ass bareback and caught HIV!

Nice dog in the photo, better looking than the chica. Look at the state of that back yard, it sure could use a broom. I wonder is that the house Grunt03 was referring to....

whoa...i leave this thread for a few weeks, and now look what kind of monster it has become!

we can't go around bending over backwards by attempting to prove a SG's health status everytime some newbie CH poster comes in and posts an accusation.

Agreed but grunt03 tried to insult our intelligence with his accusations against Citlali. He went away and everyone thought this was over. It should have been over but Mr.holmes came back to throw gasoline on the fire and people were tired of the constant accusations without proof. However, their pathetic plan really backfired and took grunt03/mrholme's credibility to zero.

This is deep maaaannnnnn...

No DD your not going to get away that easy bashing the Grunt when He, not you was the only one that provided any facts on the situation at all. You only asked meaningless realestate questions when the Grunt provided an actual address of the property, the names of his neighbors, the RE agency involved etc. Hell he even called you out and you "declined" to check his facts. So who are you to say anything about the Gruntman. That's why the suspicion meter went to full bore with myself and others from other boards. Shit if you read his posts he almost drew a map to the house. Of course for whatever reason you would not check it out.

And yes, I would fuck the dog before this puta.

Innocent, when are you going to go for it!!

I think the house was a rental. Why not provide actual contracts, addendums, tax receipts to prove the house was bought by grunt03. Maybe he never owned the house. Would that explain why he NEVER provided any paperwork? He wanted me to go to the house and ask his realtor(?), neighbors etc to prove that he owned it. However, I didn't just fall off the turnip truck. These people could have told me what grunt03 wanted me to hear. Documents could have been e-mailed, faxed etc to me or anyone else on the board proving ownership. That would have been too easy to do. Why wasn't that done? Who knows. Me thinks he never bought a house and this was just ammunition against Citlali. His challenge was not logical, would have proved nothing, and therefore I declined.

BTW, last week you were tired of the real estate discussion? Why the sudden interest in it?

Mr.holmes, do you see why very few people take your side? You cannot intelligently debate anyone.

(Message edited by Due_diligence on January 20, 2005)

CH member Tjmac responded to Mr.holmes in the chat section with: "The "DUDE" is no other than YOU....DUDE.Everybody can see you're A BIG FAT LIER, DUDE!!!"
Which begs the question Mr.holmes- why have you not caught on here? Are you angry at me for exposing the flaws in your smear campaign?

This was posted in the Mexico Chat section-
>>>Thanks for the advertisement on her GRUNT/HOLMES, I will now bring all of my 2000 friends in LA to bring her the businesses. How much you wanna bet that this chica will be the richest puta in the zona in about 6 months from now. Thanks again GRUNT/HOLMES.<<<

It seems like the big winner in this whole thing will be Citlali and her padrote. Everyone is looking for this girl to do. Citlali may have taken grunt03's money, but it looks like grunt03 has added more money to her bank account by increasing her presence by 200x. Had this smear campaign not happened, Citlali would have been a nothing

MrHolmes has no credibility with me. A few days ago he "Beamed in" an asshole remark to me on another thread. F you MrH

But I got to tell you DD, if you were trying to introduce me to someone as ugly as this chica, I would not consider you to be my friend either!

Hate to say it, Taxiguyscot, but I've fucked worse!

Scottie you are going to definitely need a thicker skin than that newguy. What a cupcake. Yes a overpaying cupcake at that. Why dont you give us a Citlali report newguy.

Scottie you are going to definitely need a thicker skin than that newguy. What a cupcake. Yes a overpaying cupcake at that. Why dont you give us a Citlali report newguy.

Tax season must be fuckin with your mind, go get a good piece in the Zone. Hell Do Citlali. Probably less "TAXING" than doing taxes.

Any special outstanding features about Citlali that I should look for when seeking her out? Does she go by any other names?

Well from the Grunt's and Sr Pocho's posts you could call her Pili which is short for Pilar. Read up on the description. Headband, kind of Pre-Historic cavewoman look. Grunt said "bad-breath and fucked up teeth" so bring the mouthwash. And bring extra rubbers too. LOL LOL LOL

Well from the Grunt's and Sr Pocho's posts you could call her Pili which is short for Pilar. Read up on the description. Headband, kind of Pre-Historic cavewoman look. Grunt said "bad-breath and fucked up teeth" so bring the mouthwash. And bring extra rubbers too. LOL LOL LOL

The last 2 days I walked back and forth from CC to AB to HK and plucked a few SG's on this trip. Due to this whole Silly Citali Shit (hey say that 10 times really fast silly citali shit) - I looked at, around and actually (gulp) looked for Citali. Hotel Najera - there was one he/she dressed in black - kinda looked like Spock - but ugly. There were two meth lab tweekerz, older like 30's and three chicha's around the hall way or right next to the Hotel entrance - these same "people," were there for the 48 hrs I was. I am 100% sure that Silly Citali was NOT among them. I don't normally obserb this hotel - but I must say that in my openion that Silly Citali's Dog looks 10X more healthy than the SICK Meth Lab Cranked out trash there in the 48 hrs I was in the area. Actually, the "people" in this Hotel standing by that area LOOKED phreaky and sick - even the chica's in a 6-7 range had a nasty glow if you will. On the other side of the alley, my precious Shadow was there eating Tap Ramine Noodles; then I took her to the room for my desert - but thats for another thread. Masterbates, if you are still reading my posts, don't bite my head off- but I think Citali would be the thickest/reasobably human chica in this hotel if you do find her maybe suggest a move of locations in addition to verification of her health card, but what I really want to say to you is if you do go check her out at Hotel Najera, turn around 180 degrees and walk 100 feet and I promise to you the girl you run into (who ever in the fuck it is on the other side of the street - will be much Healthier) Notice I did not mention weight!!!!! All smart ass fooling and sarcasm asside, these people at that Hotel Najara are S_I_C_K!!!!

Citaly may be the only chica working in front of Hotel Najera WITH a health card.

Makes you wonder what the Gruntman was thinking, marrying a Najera chica and all, no wonder he is now haunting us with his regrets and aspersions.

No, Metalboots, I won't bite your head off for saying that, as I too must agree there are some real skanks in that alley. But did you find her?

MrB, you're holding out on us. Where are your bountiful bodacious buxom beauties? They are much more interesting than Citlali. Fat chicks need love too. They need you...come back home.

MrB is doing his civic duty by investigating the allegations at great expense to his personal life and free time. d'Art please support him. He is an example for all of us.

Man, I need a second ID to pimp myself too. I can see it now:

"Damn, Porker, YOU DA MAN"

Maybe we all can get one. THAT would lead to productive discussions...

( Continuing my post of Jan 16th, 205 at 1:41 PM )

Yesterday, January 22nd, 2005;

I walked down the alley and Citlali flagged me down. She said "I have my results, let me go get them and show them to you", and she scurried away into the Mini Hotel.

A couple minutes later she returned with:
- Her Health Card
- Her "Hoja de resultados" (page of lab tests results)

At this point I need to point out that:

- Tijuana hooker health testing tests:
- HIV and syphilus every four months
- Clap (I can not spell the "G" word) and assorted minor conditions monthly.
- The results she showed me were of the "normal monthly" variety and do not include HIV testing.

She allowed me to examine in detail the results she received 21 January 2005 from the health authorities for tests performed 14 January 2005.

The lab tests page enumerated the tests and all checked good (once again Syphilis and HIV were not tested on this date).

The annotation on her health card reflected the results on the lab tests page.

She said that she checked with the authorities and they would allow me to witness the tests next time, and said it was OK with her as well.

Her next test date is 14 February 2005 (her normally scheduled date for HIV and syphilis testing).

I plan to be there.

Valentines Day!

What a romantic way to spend Valentines Day.....at the free clinic in TJ!