Why wait......you can go to that clinic anytime and get an HIV test.....you don't have to wait until Valentines Day!

SP, since her testing day is on Valentines Day, do you plan on taking flowers and perhaps some chocolates with you to the clinic to watch the blood draw? It sounds like one hell of a date to me

Sure doesn't look good for grunt03's original allegation. Notice how she was very willing to give Pauncho the lab results. Doesn't that make you go hummm? The only thing left in the grunt03/Mr.holmes aresenal is that she bribed someone for the results. Even though we won't know the the status of her HIV test until Feb 14th, mt bet is on NEGATIVE.

d'Atagnan, what are you doing over here on this thread? Last I heard you were dragging your dick through Ensenada and somewhere in Germany (great pics, BTW)And speaking of d'Art, I was quite literally reading through one of your trip reports when something flashed through my mind and I thought I'd better quickly click on over to the main Mexico chat thread.

Good thing I did, as there were numerous postings in responses to the Citlali/grunt saga. Sure, I'll come home, as you ask, but when the time is right. But for now, I've got to see this through to the end.

I'd like to do a similar very descriptive trip report like yours when I revisit Hermosillo, complete with pics of hotel rooms and chicas I visit. But quite honestly, this whole grunt/Citlali scene has interrupted many a reading of TR's for me, not to mention put everything else aside so that I can keep up with this never ending novela.

m. bates

Some guys have all the luck as in the words of Rod Stewart. I wish I didn't have to work tomorrow and could see Citlali. Have fun and don't let her sweep you off your feet.

MB, I have to agree with dArt. Where are your posts about wild sex with weighty ladies, and tales of venturing into the Kinkle Bar? Now THAT'S the type of intrepid reporting we've come to expect from you.

It seems as if Citlali is casting a spell on me. I've been somewhat flamed by members saying she is a skank, I need to get counseling, etc That doesn't offend me because these are only opinions which they are entitled to express. What if I meet Citlali and fall for her. How am I going to explain the situation to my conservative family? They will disown me. The only answer I'll have is if loving Citlali is wrong then I don't want to be right. If everyone is tired of the posts now, you ain't seen nothing yet if I fall for her.

MB, you are one lucky guy tomorrow

"my precious Shadow was there eating Tap Ramine Noodles; then I took her to the room for my desert - but thats for another thread"

Metalboots,
where is your thread you speak of?

What everyone here seems to be missing is the HIV incumbation period. This puta could test negative for the next year and still have the shit.

She knows of the allegations against her and yet she comes up with test results for everything EXCEPT HIV. One would think that that is the one test she would want to have to dispell further conjecture. Hmmm.

MB when you meet her do her and give us a report.

She's coming up with the results of the communicable disease tests because of people like YOU who are spending so much time on a chat boart spreading vicious rumores about her.

Hopefully this sad saga will come to an end once Masterbates sees the results and is satisfied and then we can go back to talking about the hot anal chikas of Bambis and San Souci.

What are you so worried about? You've posted more than once of my accusation against you, even tried to PM me (which I totally ignored BTW) about this topic.

When I see certain handles surface, like yours, it's enough to make me wonder even further. It's unfortunate this board is so full of kissasses who quickly jump to your defense. Not that it truely bothers me, because it doesn't, but your posted remarks and actions by your own admittance still makes me go, "Hmmm....Grunt03 isn't alone in all this."

Master bates

MB

I am no kiss Ass

But I will defend the reputaion of an honest quality guy I know in the same way you and the others are wasting your time trying to

defend
A butt ugly SG

who also happens to be the worse kind of SG =
A rip off artist.

and now possibly an infected
butt ugly
rip off artist
SG.

mrholmes is still sticking with his baseless accusations. Doesn't that make you go humm? His latest theory is a real long shot. This is just revenge for spending money on Citlali. Why not take responsibility for your own actions and stop blaming Citlali for being ripped off. Look in the mirror. You spent the money on her and no one forced you.

I find it interesting that MB can flail away with wreckless accusations, and attempt to smear Milkman. And then when he DEMANDS answers, and several board members vouch for Milkmans credibility MB decides they are "kiss asses".

Milkman more than anyone on these boards has been generous and helpful to newbies, as well
as helping set up the fiestas, not to mention the non-puta chica get togethers. I think this person (MB) is so closed minded and determined to get to HIS version of the truth he's lost all sensibility. I also feel the accuser's (MB) history, should be scrutinized to the same degree by which he is examining other members on this site, and see who has credibility at the end of the day.

For the record, it appears to me that Grunt/Holmes seem to be the same person. Holmes is way too invested in this drama for a newbie.
HIV? Who Knows.
Scammed out of money? Looks likely.

Senor Pauncho seems to have the inside track as to what happened, and whats going on now, and in my book has the credibility to bring this to an end, with an assist from Explorer and Due Dilligence.....

Ya think I'll now be lumped in as being Grunt03/MrHolmes/Justdan???

hahaha

Justdan-

I agre with you on this.I met both MB and Milkman and they both seemed to to be OK.

That said....you are right Milkman has done alot for alot of hombres here!

MB has some grudge aginst Milkman for what ever reason and is really hostle towards Milkman in his postings. He admits Milkman try to contact him to confront MB about his accusations against him but MB brags to the rest of us that he totally ignored him.

What kinda chicken shit accuses someone of participating a smear campaign against a SG....and then conducts his own campaign against well liked hombre like Milkman with very little eviedence. Sounds like a real pussy to me!

Beachman,

We are in agreement. You know though, after having said nice things about Milkman, I have
the urge to go kick Mlkmans ass.
I guess like a big brother would do to a little
brother for getting involved in this mess.
Although, through no fault of his own.......

"Why not take responsibility for your own actions and stop blaming Citlali for being ripped off. Look in the mirror. You spent the money on her and no one forced you."

DD,

MY personal opinion is if a SG or BG rips someone off then it is unacceptable and measures should be taken against the offending chica.

Just like how I slammed SG Vanessa for being a rip off money hungry lying bitch. She disappeared for a long time after that, briefly came back, looked like shit, and disappeared again.

As for Citali you could not pay me enough to even go near an ugly chick like her. So no I have never paid her a dime.

I marvel at how anyone could and then be ripped off on top of that.



(Message edited by maximus743 on January 25, 2005)

DD

My theory a longshot? Better hope not. But it sure would explain Milkman's involvement. Just that he was curious and took the bait nothing more. This butt-ugly rip-off ho is obviously at the top of alot of people's shitlists.

>>>MY personal opinion is if a SG or BG rips someone off then it is unacceptable and measures should be taken against the offending chica.

Just like how I slammed SG Vanessa for being a rip off money hungry lying bitch. She disappeared for a long time after that, briefly came back, looked like shit, and disappeared again.<<<

I don't disagree with you, and rarely take the side of the "outed" chica. Most of the time it seems justified. Take a look at the AB reviews of Jennifer of Santa Ana. She is the posterchild of a chica that needs to be outed. Rushed sessions, bad attitude and money grubbing. Hopefully her business will suffer as a result of the posts. My problem is when someone comes on the board and tries to bullshit us with outrageous accusations. That is what I think is happening here.

Hopefully when this is all said and done MB will owe me an apology. I thank everyone for sticking up for a guy they know and trust.
I sent MB a nice PM saying no hard feelings and I would do anything to prove my innocence. But I think this is a personal agenda with him.
Not sure why? but the smearing of my name is kinda getting to me

"I sent MB a nice PM saying no hard feelings and I would do anything to prove my innocence."

Nomchai

Have you ever seen the movie Team America? Got a funny bit with a line like that...

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Milky you are innocent, you do not have to prove shit. It is funny how a rip-off ho like Citlali is defended yet someone known by the CH membership as a stand-up guy is smeared or thought of as in on a conspiracy with Grunt or others. It is laughable.

I am a kiss ass - and thought Masterbates was joking at first. It is hard to tell what is fact or fiction, drunk or sober on these boards sometime. Hopefully Milkman's positive attitude and good Karma will bring about final resolution of this soon. I think the common donominator is clear. The allegations/hints of conspiracy involving Milkman are loco. Hopefully when the truth comes out everyone can be man enough to admit mistakes and go forward. I also hope that NO ONE involved had or has HIV. Milkman, I think you are a classy guy to attempt to resolve a misunderstanding privatly (in a PM). I think I would go Redneck and not have the ability to deal with such B.S. in a manner as you. Truth is comming soon I believe. Good Karma, yes I am repeating myself because we all need Good Karma.

I think I am gonna cry
I ruv you guys

well i only read a little of this thread so shoot me if i screw something up.

i can't see milkman doing anything to affect the popularity of a puta. hell unless we have a fiesta he doesn't even go to zona norte.

if the puta ripped someone off, then she was just doing her job. many foolish americans cross the border everday to see putas in zona norte. it is their job to extract as much money as possible from these guys, and if they can do so without giving up any pussy, then they are good at their job.

Ah, Sampson, where have you been? I was waiting for you to surface on this thread sooner or later...

I'm responding to the very recent posts from Hermosillo, Mexico and yesterday, I did get the chance to meet and sit with Citlali. And man, let me tell you, she has so much of this she's just dying to tell. First of all, as I posted on the main thread, there are always two sides to every story.

There's a side that's yet to be told. I have proof of my meeting with Citlali, I had Franco come along as a cridible witness and I also took photos. I now know who Grunt is, or rather what he looks like, I also know a lot more about him.

But let me just say, there has been more than one financial loser in this whole ordeal. Citlali asked me not to post certain private things about her, which would prove her innocence even more, which, out of respect to her, I won't do.

I will return to the U.S: in a few days, and you can expext a full report. And please don't anyone tell me you're not interested in a Citlali updtate, otherwise you wouldn't be on this thread.

Master Bates.

MB

This thread is like a trainwreck - no matter how terrible the carnage you just can't look away.

Eventually this thread will suck the life out of all the participants and readers...

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So MB did you do her? She's such a nice person afterall. BULLSHIT. You took this ho's side from the beginning you would not report anything to make yourself look bad now would you? You lost a hell of alot of credibility when you smeared the Milkman. Now were supposed to take your word that Citlali is "just a nice person" and she has been so wronged. LOL LOL LOL

So MB did you do her? She's such a nice person afterall. BULLSHIT. You took this ho's side from the beginning you would not report anything to make yourself look bad now would you? You lost a hell of alot of credibility when you smeared the Milkman. Now were supposed to take your word that Citlali is "just a nice person" and she has been so wronged. LOL LOL LOL

I guess we can't handle the truth - we are not strong enough for the real Citali message.
Only Masterbates can reveal the truth; but we have to tune in next week.

GODDAMN YOU HOLMES!!! If anything I promised I would seek and find the truth, which is what I'm doing-at any cost of revealing who said what or who was right or wrong! If anyone has really pissed me off to where I want to stand up and put my fist through the compute monitor, it's YOU!

How many times have I told you I would report my findings exactly as they were told to me?Huh? Yes, there was a house involved, and yes, both she and Grunt had a stake in this, what do you expect me to do, stick to my original theory?

Okay, now that you've fueled the fire with your infantile logic, guess what else I've been finding out....that there's more than one monger involved in this whole ordeal. (I'll explain later)

I'm not out to defend Citlali. God knows, I myself have been screwed over by ex-TJ hookers. But it doesn't take away from the fact that she struck me as being very sincere, wanted so much to tell her side of what's going on, to tell her part, to ask me to consider everything that Grunt wouldn't tell.

Yes, there's more to this story, but you know what? Now's not the time. I'm done with this subject, as I need to get back to the cantina and get a stiff drink.

I'm done with this whole fucking subject anyway.....

Epimetheus-you're right:This whole fucking thread is a train wreck from the beginning!

Master Bates.

After rereading my own post here, I forgot to add, Citlali didn't rip this guy off. Think about it, if she was really a ripp-off/scam artist, she wouldn't be hanging around the Zona where everyone knows who she is, now would she?

And no, Mr.Holmes, I ddin't "take this ho's side from the beginning," as you say. I was skeptical from the start, saying I bet there's two sides to this story.

And as I also said before in prior postings, for someone who owes Grunt nothing, and who claims to have no connection with him, you sure have a big interest in this, don't you? It's your posts which makes me and others go, "Hmmm....."

M. bates

MB

I have posted on this subject less than you and others.

Kudos to you on finding out about the house.

The problem I and others have is that the grunt obviously did not lie about the house (read his first post) which leads us to believe he did not lie about being set up for a home robbery by this little innocent sweet girl you love to defend.

Did you ask her if there was a ring? Was the house robbed? How about the wedding dress?

No MB what we have here is someone that preys on lonely mongers sets them up and robs them.

That is the worst kind of SG puta.

HIV? We will see.

The grunt had access to HIV blood. Was it his? Who knows? But it is very scary to think of what could happen if the guy should decide to get some payback.

As far as more than one monger involved in this, that is also EXACTLY what Grunt posted in his first posts. Somehow he knew that she had taken others also.

As far as more than one monger involved in this, that is also EXACTLY what Grunt posted in his first posts. Somehow he knew that she had taken others also.

No there are nothing but upstanding people in the Zona. LOL LOL LOL. Do you believe for one minute she and others like her are not protected by their like kind.

For someone that owes Citlali nothing, and who claims to have no connection to her, you sure have a big interest in this don't you? Yes, the same could be said of you MB. Going out of your way to have coffee with a street ho! Come on! Why didn't you do her and give us a report? Maybe because you might feel the gruntman wasn't bullshitting us.

Why was grunt03 not interested in providing paperwork on the house. Why do you, mr holmes, still post the HIV bullshit when you know it is a LIE. Grunt tried to bullshit us and we busted him

Mrhomes, I dont eat any crow. Grunt DID NOT provide one ounce of proof on the house ownership and Citlali did. That makes his credibility ZERO in my book. Citlali seems like the truthful one here.

I hope Citlali knows she has friends that she has never even meet that stood up for her.

Ok, the truth is that Milkman IS Citali (in drag). Milky is always complaining about putting on weight and now he's put on enough to attract the attention of MasterBates. Holmes/Grunt is actuall Sampson who is pissed because Milkman/Citali wouldn't be his 'ho. All clear? Makes perfect sense. Where's my ritilan?

Mr. Homes, you ask why is it I didn't do her? How do you know I didn't and am not posting about it? No, but seriously though, I wanted to finally meet her just for my own personbal satisfaction. I expected her to give me the "brush off," which is what she did when I had my first meeting with her.

But upon approaching her again and seeking a credible witness who almost every TJ monger knows (Franco) who witnessed and even translated almost everything I now have a better understanding of what went on between them.

Due Dilligence, yes, she is very well aware of the high level of support from many guys who have never met her or never done her.

She is the first one to bring up Internet chat sites, not me. And she asked me to make it clear Grunt is the one who claims to be the scorned lover in all this as she was just a working chica from the beginning and even told him that.

I've just posted on the main Mexico chat thread about the popularity of Cilai's thread. It seems when all this done and over with, there will undoubtedly be one winner-Citlali.

She might profit financially from this board, while I may need to seek counseling and recovery from this ongoing Citlali/Grunt/Holmes saga.

i don't know the truth. i will however work shifts in kin kle bar dressed in drag if milkman was a party to this just to ruin her business.

could a plm, go over the deep end??? happens everyday--i can promise you that milkman had no clue who this puta was before the threads began. i doubt very much that he has seen her since as well, unless he happened to meet a couple of friends down their who pointed her out.

MB,

Your a bigger sucker than the Gruntman. She is just a poor innocent working girl. Sure pal, and her padrote is just a poor innocent working guy too.

They saw you coming a mile away sucker.

Here comes Dan Rather and his translator.

Lets see your pics of the RIP-OFF, SCAM-ARTIST, POSSIBLE AIDS SPREADER.

Hell, why dont you buy a house with her? LOL LOL

MB

And yes, we have figured out that you are also Due Diligence pal.