And if she stays 'til noon for free?

She stayed until 5 AM but already she is messing with me.

There are a few new girls there - young ones.

Reina - 19, and new at this.

Veronica - 18, also new at this.

Perla - young and pretty, but has worked in the trade a few years.

Alejandra - 30, experienced and very able.

I spend very little time there now.

There seem to be two guys who always follow in my footsteps.....

I visited this place the first time last night and felt really strange. Being the only Asian, I stuck out like a sore thumb. Saw a couple of cuties but too chicken to ask as too much light and everybody staring. How do you guys do it? I guess I need to grow more balls.

going back tonight Sat and see if I can hook up with a couple of cuties. Going early so as settle in before the others come in.

If you see an Asian dude in there swing by and lets hang.

"There seem to be two guys who always follow in my footsteps....."

What does that mean?

It means that every favorita I have, a bit later they are spending time with her.

I guess they like my taste in girls.

Lately I've spent VERY little time in the bar, as I have a standing appointment with one of the girls for TLN Friday & Saturday.

Saturday night I had time to dance 15 songs and then had to leave to prepare for my TLN.

Senor Pauncho, please ID and provide a bit of information if you can about a one of a kind (for El Fracaso) chica. I briefly observed her on Friday night. If she's old enough to be there she can't be more than 18, she's beyond thin - needs lots more calories than she appears to be consuming - which means she's got to be new to the world of hardcore cerveza consumption ficha work. Shoulder length blonde hair and muy bonita. If she were in AB the gringos who like young anorexics rush her like a school of piranha. She was taken when I entered the bar so I couldn't do any personal research. La conoces?

Btw, what happens to all the action at El Fracaso in the wee hours on weekends? Earlier on the place is hopping like Rio Verde across the street which although having a different atmosphere, still shares a similar chica and hombre demographic with El Fracaso. Rio Verde goes strong all night past dawn (and is basically open 24 hours most of the time), while El Fracaso becomes a ghost town in the middle of the night. So the boys and girls stay up in Rio Verde, why not in El Fracaso?

Erip

She was occupied with a obviously ebriated local on the dance floor tonight. Although she's not my type I was prepared to do your leg work but I was not prepared to wait her out

Erip,

She was with me and my buddy on Friday night till about 8 if it is the one you are talking about. Real sweet girl, reddish blond hair, shoulder length, wavy, about 100 lb about 5'. 18 or so. She's in love with my buddy and was supposed to hook up with him at 11 after work but my buddy is an asshole and stood her up. Real sweet girl from talking with her a bit and may go after her myself.

Hey Pecs, what time do I have to get there this weekend to beat you and your moron of an amigo to her?

I spotted her around 10PM Friday night. I'm pretty sure it was neither of you guys even though the guy who grabbed her appeared to be a gringo...the only other gringo in the joint at the time. When he grabbed her it looked like they didn't know each other before...she was a deer in headlights but rapidly warmed to the dude. Hats off to him!

Tell ya what. I've got a small connection of really good devoted chicas across the street at Rio Verde. I've seen them mucho over mucho time...so now I get mucho drama which I don't have time for. Why don't you and your amigo grab my RV chicas and leave the El Fracaso strawberry blonde to me???

But really, chicas this skinny don't usually do it for me. But that issue aside, this chica has got it!

You got to get there early on Friday as I am usually there at 6 and she comes in around 7. Don't worry about Melon, I don't he'll come around till later if at all as his plate is always full and he says he don't want to hang with me anymore as we go after same type of chicas.

I may check out the RV. Bordersushi told me about that place and I will check it out. Same setup or mostly take em to hotel crap?

If you go in Thurs or Fri and see an asian dude sitting by himself its me. Introduce yourself.

Pecs, I can't compare RV to El Fracaso from very much personal knowledge because most of what I know about the latter comes from reading the posts here. Sr. Pauncho talks about El Fracaso chicas going to the hotel in numbers that I think exceed what you'll find at RV, so it would seem that RV is less of a "go to the hotel" scene than El Fracaso is. The night shift in RV in particular is pretty tame classic ficha dancehall with only a small number of chicas giving off a puta vibe. That isn't to say that a larger number won't choose their spots and a decent number of chicas feas who are probably up for anything. But most guys don't come in to pay for sex - mainly to dance and get ripped to the point of unconsciousness. There are no Sr. Pauncho's that I know of at RV - i.e. gringos coming in to test drive every chica on wheels. Lots of funny fights, passing out, et al.

They do have a floor show which can get rowdy - especially during the day. In recent months I get more of a puta push from the daygirls....rarely get it from the night girls and I've never exhanged cash for sex with an RV night chica but for one time when it was at MY insistence. I'm not [completely] naive and I imagine plenty of the chicas go to the hotel, but they don't push it and they get very few customers pushing them to go. The chicas I've known there for some time would all insist that they never turn tricks - though one of them certainly had a short history of doing that at another ficha bar...and even there she was giving it away more often than not. I have gone out with the RV chica who is most special to me, but she's not letting me into her calzones unless I demonstrate serious intentions which I cannot do at this time.

I will probably be around Primero on Friday night and I'll keep an eye out for a lone asian.

For sure I will be at either El Fracaso or if I do good on Thurs at RV. On Friday I may be with MellonB as he going to be there th and fri.

I am intrigued... I have peeked into both this places but never hanged out.

I will do so upon my return from LA...

If anyone is up to it (particularly people who can enlight me re Monger travel around different parts of the world) I would not mind mtg there for a few cold ones.

Laterz

Went in Rv for the first time Thursday and was frankly intimidated by the place. Pushy meseros who tried to short change me. The buddy I went with told me some stories about the place and waiters druggin your drink and get robbed in the bathroom. didn't see many flacas at 5 pm but mnaybe check it out next week.

Talked myself out of a planned TJ trip this weekend so I missed a chance to get acquainted with the Fracaso Flaca.

Waiters can be obnoxious at RV but there are good ones and passive meseras as well. I use the same one or two waiters all the time and waive all the others off.

As for that other stuff, the zona is the dark edge of TJ and Art. 123 is the dark edge of the zona. I suppose anything can happen at a place like RV, but I've spent countless nights there without witnessing any incidents outside of the mostly harmless bar fights which the waiters extinguish instantly (or move them outside).

There is extreme variation in chica quality from day to day. Most days and nights don't offer enough talent to keep a gringo monger interested for longer than it takes to drink 1 beer, but there is definitely some treasure to be found among the riff raff more often than not.

Hung for a while last night, had a good time talking to several guys, dancing a bit, and generally checking out the vibes. I will probably give it a shot agin this evening. If you see a tall, brown haired gringo, come over and introduce youself.

El Fracaso has sweetened the mix by hiring a young cute mesera as of Saturday night. I went back last night and didn't see her.

Well, I'll be there tomorrow night to check out this hot new waitress. Probably nothing else in there. Will check out RV again also

There are 2 or 3 new waitresses - a couple more-or-less cute ones who also ficha dance.

I'm a little late posting but there are a few new ones:

Vanessa the tall SG who shows up at times.
(Either she's very friendly or she likes me.)
I'll have to try her one of these days

A Aunt/Niece pair - both about 25 & cute morenitas.
A snug pussy is a genetic common element.

The aunt (forget her name) is decidely fat.

The Niece (Viviana)has a normal figure, but chunky undressed.
Quite cute IMHO, I had to wait a while before I could dance with her.
I got her on her third day. Rather hairy pussy.

They both go for twenty + the room.

We'll have to wait and see what's available after New Years.

Both are relatively unskilled & just fuck and let you suck their tits.

Senor Paucho,

when you sample from El Fracaso: does the $20 buy you 20min, 30min, open?

BTW, I am hitting el Fracaso next weekend...who is up for mtg there?

Peace

Concarne,

With only 2 or 3 exceptions - I had a few weak moments - I pay 200 pesos ($18) for 30 minutes.

Usually "standard" service includes full nudity, all positions, (condoms of course) and occasionally a CBJ.

But I am a "known client" to the girls. Even so, some hold out for up to $50. I just don't fuck them. Eventually, most of them go for $20 with somebody.

I have been known to see them with their clothes off and up the ante to 400 pesos ($36) for one hour.

Of course if something HOT happens, YMMV.

The other day I stumbled across a "very average" chica about 30 and a little fat who had been sitting in the same spot for 3 years without me noticing her.

There was nobody I wanted to dance with so I danced with her, then took her to the room without a great deal of desire to do so.

WHAT A SURPRISE. We hit if off, spent an hour, went to lunch, returned to the room for a couple of hours (all at the $20/30 minutes rate), I left for a while, returned to the bar and took her to the room for 30 minutes (I was almost broke), and went to dinner.

It was late so I packed and tried to grab a cab, there were none available for a few minutes, so I parked my "granny cart" with the bouncer, and we went in and danced a couple of numbers til a cab arrived, and I left.

The sad thing is that she left the next day for her home in Culiacan. But she'll be back in mid-January. (I hope).

This girl is in no way novia material but a really solid performer in the sack. Of course it was chemistry and next time you never know.


p.s. I posit that "piece" would be a more appropriate closing on this board than "peace".

Mmm...

I have decided I will make this my homebase bar for a few weeks and see how things develop. I am keen on finding some FOB (fresh of the bus) chicas there.

If any hombres wish to meet there let me know...particularly anyone whith some international experience in SEA, India or the DR.

Laterz

Hey Concarne,

I'll be there Thur - Sat Night.

Buy you beer and check out the newbies.

Say hi to Carla and Claudia for me.

Pecs...I will be there Tue. Will see about thur-sat. I will inbox you.

Concarne

If I make it down this weekend (most likely), I'm up for checking this place out. Been there a few times before, but nothing really caught my eye.

we can finally have that chat about sea....being that i just got back from thailand, singapore and indo three wks ago, before the big waves hit town.

Concarne writes

"I am keen on finding some FOB (fresh of the bus) chicas there."

Well Fracaso doesn't offer any of the amenities that attract FOBs ie free temporary lodging, dancer and fichera salaries so I'm not convinced it's the best place to find them.

well, you will find chicas who are fresh out of the maquiladora at Fracaso. Most of them are recently divorced with three kids, though.

I stopped by El Fracaso last Tue...pretty chill, had a corona and watched a bit of soccer. Well lit, pretty basic, music not too laud, chica selection not so good.

I will give it a go one or two more times.

Try Friday after 7 or 8 PM,
Saturday after 7 pm
or Sunday after 5 or 6 PM

Socrates...whenever you are ready to chat let me know. Usu Tue, thur and weekends are doable for TJ for me.

perhaps this weekend. I'll keep you posted.

Is this a gringo friendly bar? I ducked in last night and got a hostile feeling.

You always get a few assholes in there that will pop off on you. Just either smile at them or if they are punks stare em down.

if they see you a couple of times they will ignore you. Some are pretty friendly and will sit and talk with you if you speak spanish.

Pickings are slim if you like em flaca.

Thanks Pecs- yes i do like 'em flaca so i guess this club won't do it for me. It is kind of off the beaten track so I don't feel as comfortable as AB or Chikago. Mongers in this club must be a hearty bunch!

I hooked up with a chica here last night. Had a good time, a couple of hours, for 490 pesos.

490 pesos for a couple of hours is very reasonable, how was the service?

So-so. The chica needs some training, but I don't know if I want to invest the time.

OK, Guys,

Let me tell you how to get over in a bar full of Poblanas (Puebla), Veracruzanas (Veracruz), and Tlaxcalanenses (Tlaxcala), you have to bring then about $20 worth of Camotes de Puebla (sweet potato candy shaped like small cigars).

This goes over better than a big box of Sees Candy, and if there are any leftovers, you can share them with SGs.

Of course you will be infringing on Senor Paunchos territory, but I have a new method I take them to a restaurant named Cemitas China Poblana where they serve Cemitas (a kind of sandwich) and Tacos Arabes.

I dont really care for these but the chcas are wild about them. It goes over better than an expensive restaurant.

Tacos de Pan Arabe? Where is this place?

It's on Negrete between 5th and 6th. I posted about it in the Restaurants section.

Fellow,

I will be hanging at El Fracaso tommorrow (Friday) around 8ish. Anyone wanting to trade stories inbox me.

Fellows,

I will be hanging at El Fracaso tommorrow (Friday) around 8ish. Anyone wanting to trade stories inbox me.

Sorry for the double post!

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Good luck, what hotel are you planning to stay at? If you stay at the Enva, you can easily take chicas over there, return to the bar, shampoo rinse repeat.

I´m in BA now and planning to comeback to Tj next week. Have most of the girls come back? Specifically Claudia and the little one who sits on the bench dance floor on the far side. Cant even remembe her name.

Pecs,

I cannot imagine that you are in BA and even thinking about El Fracaso Bar. Of course, for that matter, I am in Moscow right now thinking about the Fracaso, so what the hell.

Pecs...you are in BA? You lucky dog...

Dude we have to meet when you get back. I am having the hardest time deciding where to take a short (10-12 day) trip this summer. Colombia, Venezuela, Arg???? I need imput.

Now I am not even sure why I am bothering to check El F...oh well maybe I will get suuuuuuupper lucky...not.

Hey Explorer,

You are as pathetic as me. We zillion miles away and we think about that fucking dump of a bar. <I think Im preparing myself for BA withdrawal when i go home tomorrow.

Concarne....be glad to hook up with you. i´ll be in tj on Thur and friday. Let me know. I can only tell you about BA but go to the other tj site and see my fotos.

There were a couple of new girls (about 30) there a couple of weeks ago. The one with the gigantic tits didn't show so I asked her friend if she would pass her the CD copies I made next time she saw her.

We ended up dancing. She dances with an exaggerated sway to her hips - sexy.

So what the hell, I offered her 200 pesos for 30 minutes and she accepted readily after confirming that I would pay her also for our few dances.

She goes by Isela (true intials RGCV from healthcard) Claims 27 years but is 30.

Sits in the nearest half (row divided by pillar) of the west (left) facing seats on the dance floor.

This girl is extremely proactive in the sack. She damn near insisted on a CBJ. (I had wanted to sit and talk a bit.) Gives lots of unearned compliments - If my cock was as big as she said it was, I'd be selling it to the girls instead of paying for pussy.

We had such fun that I ended up extending to 2 hours for $80 (I had run out of pesos).

She's into the "act" of enjoying herself, but after a while began to quit faking.

It was altogether the most interesting & active session I've had in Tijuana. Enough excitement to turn my flaccid organ (I had been well-serviced earlier in the day while using Viagra) in to a rock hard pile driver. This is no small feat.

She claims to have worked at Adelitas in the past, and it shows in her ways.

She kept asking if I was a "mujeriego" (lady's man) and of course I firmly denied it.

I think I may return to her bed next week. (Yes !!)

Senor Pauncho, just out of curiosity, what exactly attracts you to the El Fracasco? Whenever I go there , it reminds me of a sleazy back street bar in Sonora. But with all the other bars around, I'm wondering what's the main attraction when assuming every chicas session is a hit/miss.

I'll be back in TJ in a couple of weeks and EF will definitely be one of my to-do places. Why do i keep going there? I'm attracted to the sleaziness I guess.

M. Bates.