Athos,

I'm going to go to Sao Paolo and BA in January. So Bomboa blows Centaurus and Solarium away! That is so fantastic. I can't even think why you would want to go anywhere else. I'm leaving tomorrow for Rio, so I will see you down there.

BT

Athos, how long will you be in SP? Are you up for meeting up for a cold one?

Do you have a cell phone in SP? If so, where did you pick it up?

I think another Mall worth checking out is Shopping Morrumbi. Tons of hot chicks but I think Portuguese is a must.

Glad you liked Fracebel. Looking forward to hearing about W.

AlwaysC
Will be in SP till sun am so sat last night of fun
Am in Parthenon Contemporaneo, 11 3842 0166 room 1014. No cell for me so best time to call any time between 8:00 and 10:00 am, there is vm.

BT
It really depends on hombre´s taste
So far for me I loved Bomboa, my disneyland, imagine mansion filled with solid selection, same quality as termas except I would have had no problem picking a dirty dozen. 80 to 120 garotas, yes a few 6´s and older gals but mostly 8´s and low 20´s. I had another fantastic session Brazilian style with Priscila 1/2 japanose and 1/2 alemao, 200R to the girl for onje hour suite, they don´t have 40 min cabin. Cuarto is 69R, entrance which includes drinks and food, diff buffet daily, is 70R. So yeah Sampa is more expensive due to higher covers but I can get most garotas for regular 200R.
Go upstairs to jacuzzi room to take photos as the manager told me about it after i took one of my guys with his honey inside the club and that scared people for a second, big no no but i did not get mauled.
Garotas have same attitude as in termas. I was impressed with selection as I get this knowing smile when I see nice selection and I got it within 2 min.

I started day by going to CelCenter, 1/2 selection as FranceBel but extra offered openly. I think I have become too harcore, went with Julianna, 7.0 in looks, despite making Playboy July 2002 layout. CBJ but decent session.

Bahamas I was not impressed despite bevy of 7 and 8´s, as too hardcore looking. Went with pretty mulatta 7.0 in looks, cbj ok session.

W I recommend but bring wads of reals. It´s a restaurant, was way overdressed in coat and tie, While it took me 2 min at bomboa to get that knowing smile, took me less than 1 min to get that smile. Cover is 150R, ah the house will include even drinks if you pick a girl out. What a nice gesture :-) Prices are non negotiable, catering to well off locals and 2 gringos last night, I picked what i thought was a 10 but turned out to be a 9.0, Angelica, part time modelo de Porto Alegre. Garotas have good attitude and seemed lower mileage but higher end entertainment so go to vip room if you need small test drive. I was too horny so went back to hotel directly. Was a bit apprehensive before hearing price as up to 1000 reals but 600R was her price as each garota comes with different price tag. So total 750R, so yes could have had 3 garotas for that kinda of money. Session was very good but no rimming yesterday.

I am trying to hook up with Dani Mel M Class today. Maybe pizzeria today or tomorrow.

Athos

Athos,

Nice info. Thanks.

Moondog
Don´t go to cafe millenium as my friends were disappointed, brand new but not enough garotas.
You should try W and Bomboa.
Athos

I had a day I never thought i would in Brazil, 2 avg looking girls out of 3 yesterday.
Made a mistake by hooking up with Dani Mel from MClass web site even though her voice on the phone was not that good. Photographers can make a dog look like a playmate. Dani was very average looking, maybe 5.0+ but good service.
Then on to Bomboa, my buddies had told me that my honey Priscilla was seen working at cafe millenium so i was free at Bomboa.
My second test run at Bomboa so better understanding of the place. I´d say selection is about the same as 2 termas put together, so a few avg looking ones, bunch of 7 and 8. About 140 garotas work but there is a day shift and eve shift so expect 80 at night.
I tried this dyed blonde who reminded me a bit of Michele Pfeiffer. She turned out to be oustanding, 8.0 in looks, 10.0 in services, maybe more between oustanding and exceptional.
Selection was not that good at 6:00 pm but as soon as free buffet is served around 7:00 pm most garotas are in line to get their free meal, buffet till 10:00 pm.
We went later to W. I got the current info on this place. No advertising, word of mouth. Price is fixed 600R for any girl, whether ugly or gorgeous. 30 to 40 garotas on any given night, a few very avg looking, 1 or 2 even old, but 2/3 very doable, attractive in the 7 to 9 range, typically expect a young one 18 to 21, blonde with green eyes. Currently 2 super models are available for 5000R, ask the manager to check the book if you are in that zip code area.
We went from new customers to vip customer in 2 nights. They waive the 150R cover if you pick a girl so only 600R, well that´s a much better deal than overhyped boates Foto and Romanza.
Girls are under strict leashes; do not spend night at customers although my tag partner got this new garota to stay till 7:00 am as she did not know anything, 2 days in town, what dod i do kinda girl; do not mention any boates name.
They have a so called vip room, couch where you can fuck the girl for same price as take out.
I made the mistake of choosing too late as by 1:00 am most of the crew just disappeared on me.
So I left empty handed and was charged 100R instead of 150R.
90 percent of W lineup comes for Porto Alegre so we need to send someone to spend 2 or 3 days at Grotto Azul to forego higher prices.
Went to Cafe Photo, very nice place except upon close inspection, ladies are dressed for the night out but some old ones, some hardcore looking ones, if you work hard you will find a 7, but forget about finding an 8 or a 9. They have live music. I tought I picked a loira until I figured out she was a mulatta under the light at the hotel reception. Looks 5.0-, overall 9.0. Thank goodness excellent service, with rimming and bbbjtc after some ok sexo. I did not bargain very hard so paid her 300R.
I am set to hook up with Adyla Porto, mulatta with dyed blonde hair, from Malicia. Now we´re talking. I listened to her vm and loved her sensous and young voice. I was able to talk to her to set up appt and got instant raging hard on.
Later tonight, probably puztaria in Pinheiros then my SP research will end tomorrow probably at Bomboa as I was told full line up with no men, only day sauna is opened to women so i´d like to picture myself in robe with 6 garotas giving the tlc.
So far Rio is hands down better than SP for mongering trip but some very interesting places like Bomboa, W and FranceBel make it any business trip a vacation.
Athos
Athos

Athos - Get you butt back over here to Rio! I told your girlfriend Venessa at the terma that you´ll be back for her. The weather is hot here too. See you on Sunday.

Saw my friend yesterday. Got here on her cell phone.

Kojak
Hey our other sidekick loved W.
I know I need to work on my tan. Girlfriend? I have no girlfriend.

Athos:

Sorry that you're getting mixed results in Sampa. If you're still looking for another club to try out, try Miruna 644: Avenida Miruna, 644, 2 block after turning off of Av. 23 de Maio. Tel: 5042-2574 M-Sat, 18:00h to the last customer. Site: http://www.malicia.com.br/free/freenoite/mirunas/mirunas-init.htm, Manager: Fernando. It's just a nice bar with girls and rooms upstairs, "take-out" also available, no bar fine (I think). R$150/hr session. Best girl: Yasmin

It's a good place for a "happy hour" as the girls get there early.

BS

Hey no problem BadSeed. Actually I am a little bit sad to leave SP tomorrow but wait I am going back to Rio.
Adyla Porto was as pretty as picture except smaller than expected 5´0. I have never seen such a beautiful woman who could be so short. She drained me completely and did not want to leave but was so tired needed a break.
I totally messed up our schedule yesterday as we arrived at pizzeria at 19:00, no one there so we ended as you can guess at Bomboa again. I picked another 8.0 Valkiria, iniciante I think as she needs to learn the ropes. Good session but not great due to lack of experience pleasing men. Fantastic butt on a euro looking brunette. She could have been a model if 5´6 instead of 5´2.
Then it was too late to check out other W that Jarule gave address, so we gave Foto another try. Friday is even worse, only one level so I knew right away I had no chance to get laid.
For last day, I want to try Silmara at FranceBel, then head to Bomboa for feijodo, sauna opened to ladies, me and my hombre partner among very few hombres with full lineup. Last night full lineup with 1/2 customers. Today I expect 10 to 1 ratio.
Thanks for tip as i was thinking bomboa all nighter but now I have another choice.
BTW I am paying garotas 200R at Bomboa but I know many garotas will take 150R.
Foto guys please 250R max and you need to negotiate if tln a requiremnt. You can get a nasty session for 100 to 150R. Maybe I missed something or spring break.
If you hit it off at Bomboa, garotas will go to your hotel at no cost. Go with the vibes.

Bomboa definitely sounds like the place to go in Sampa. Remember, Hombres, most flights to Rio stop in Sao Paulo on the way (Sampa is Brazil's major air hub). There's no extra cost to include a stopover in Sampa in either direction on your way to Rio - i.e you could fly to Sampa, arrive there in the morning (most international flights do), stay overnight in Sampa, and then fly to Rio the next morning. Sounds like my plan for next visit to Brazil!
BS

P.S. Athos, short girls are great - wrap their legs around your waist and fuck 'em up against the wall..... ;-)

Badseed
Bomboa is not good on Sat, 1/3 of girls, too many young brazileiros.
Gave Bahamas Club another shot, selection is pretty good but expect cbj as too hardcore.
Glad to be back in Rio.

Athos,

Glad you liked Bomboa.

SP is off the hook for the non-pro scene, especially if u have some roots there and plan on staying for a while.

As GPs sao mais simpaticas no Rio...absolutamente.

If I am in SP next time you are there, I can certainly introduce you to some incredible clubs where a little bate papo will get ya laid. The big problem with SP is that if you hit the wrong place on the wrong night, you're miserable...but if you hit the right place at the right time, it'll blow away anything you can find in Rio. Kinda like Manhattan.

Did you get a chance to check out Connection Nightclub? It is worth a look.

Jarule

I was too lazy to go too far so sticked to Bomboa several nights.
The girls liked to go dancing at Love (spelling?) not Love Story the late night pick up.
I liked SP also for the fact that no Americans have spoiled it yet.
I never made it to Connection. But I am disappointed I went to Pizzeria too early so had to skip it, then completely missed the other W you mentioned.
I could only pick up ladies inclined to foreigners as my Portuguese is good enough only to pick up pros for now.

Athos

Jarule:
When will you be in Sao Paulo next?

Athos,

I'm surprised you didn't like Cafe Foto...maybe it has gone downhill since I was there in September. I think I did warn you about Romanza though.

I'll be working in Brazil indefinitely come Jan/Feb; and likely spend many weekends in SP from then onwards.

Jarule
Actually I preferred Romanza over Foto. If i am going to go with a below avg in looks, i might as well go with a garota with good attitude.
Having said that, the ugliest garota of my trip was from foto but she was technically very savy.
Maybe I hit SP at the wrong time, i heard spring break word.

Any of these clubs can be a miss on any given day or night. What is good in Romanza on one night, may be totaly bogus another night.

I met a beatiful girl in Romanza earlier this year, and am still friends with her. I know, the 3x rule, but she is fun,and turns heads where ever we go.

I wouldn't rule out any of these clubs on the basis of a few lousy nights. Shampoo is BA used to be a ripoff place, now it is classy.

As always, ymmv.

Moondog

I'm really shocked about your opinion of Foto. What day did you go? Either it was the wrong day, or the staggered garota entrance fee based on time has really caused havoc on the quality.

I don't know if I read it here, or someone told me, but I guess there's a black market for Foto free passes amongst the garotas now. There is also a free sex motel owned by Foto; if the girls steer the guys that way, they get a free pass.

The Brazilian putanheiros are clamoring about rumors of a Cafe Foto opening in Rio...but given the bad "economy", pehaps this will never happen.

In any case, I still like the fact that SP is not overflowing with European/American mongers. But it is quite an ugly city I must admit.

Jarule
ah ah ah I did not find the city ugly myself.
I tried Foto twice on Wed and Fri I believe. Fri is as bad as sat, only one level open.
I may have seen one pretty lady. Typically older and well dressed, hardcore all the way.
Bahamas had good selection, extreme hard core, laughable, skip it.
Romanza actually had one hot garota who reminded me of Sylvia at Adelita Bar in TJ but lousy attitude so did not bother to talk to her.
I was not really impressed either with mp´s like FranceBel but you can get lucky in there. Try Melissa, better looking than her pics while Silmara was 4 pts off her pics.
Lots of good free lancers though. Adyla Porto made my day.
I loved Bomboa, W and free lancers.
But again I missed 50 prives, 50 mp´s, 30 boates and dozen American Bars.
Garotas were surprised when I told them how Foto sucked as it has good rep for selection. The only interesting thing at Foto was this gigantic bouncer, my god 7´0 and over 350 pounds, could go toe to toe with Shaq.
But again I like 18 to 22 old ladies.
I´ll probably be back in SP some day. And I had a good time... I agree no gringoes, there was this biggest jerk at Centaurus and Monte Carlo in Rio, wearing sunglasses inside terma. I thought he was Italian, turns out biggest asshole from NYC. I wanted to punch the mf.

Athos,

Hmmm....now that I think about it, I don't think I've ever been to Foto on a Wednesday. Tuesdays are traditionally money nights. Friday/Sat. are slim pickings. I know the bouncer you are talking about. I like to call him "Muresan" after the former NBA freakishly tall big man.

W is quite good, though not quite worth the money you have to shell out. Selection varies at W, since lots of private parties (hosted by W) tend to draw away the talent on a given night.

I too have run into assholes from the U.S. at the Rio termas. One guy kept woofing and throwing his fists into the air...then yelling at the girls (in English) how he likes to pay 100R right off the bat when he takes a girl home, and how the garotas should call him "the pimp." Absolutely ridiculous behavior...felt like giving Freddy Seashore a call and booking him on a one way tour of the Rio favelas.

Anyone hear Rio is bidding for the Olympics? Talk about the world discovering Rio and ruining it for the rest of us. That'll do it right there.

I´ve noticed a lot more dumbass Americans acting stupid in Termas yelling at girls, pushing guys around, getting too drunk, etc..I saw the guy Athos mentioned and he was being an asshole. I also saw a guy yelling at a terma attendant and receptionist because they didn´t know what the price was in dollars he was paying.

People like this are the reason we have a bad reputation around the world.

Hombrecito - Right on Buddy. It's a shame that a few assholes give the rest of us a bad reputation. I always try and be considerate of others and treat others the way I would like to be treated. Hemp

yeah, definite embarrassing behavior from some Americans during that oil conference in early September...wherever you go, a few bad apples always have to ruin it for the bunch...

Rexxx, Hombrecito1:
I wouldn't sell the rest of the world so short. They have more valid reasons than that.

I observed something in SP that warrants further investigation ..at least for me..there is a large asian unfluence here...I have seen many and had one who has had some asian blood mixed with brazilian blood...WOW..what a combo...a beautiful asian tinted face with brazilian curves..damn my neck is sore from it all...maybe one of the best combos I have seen in mixed races..

Layne. There are two million Japenese in SP.

CP

cp, my bad, i just posted on brazil general discustion about anyone seeing mix of asian and brazilian. how many of those 2M japanese are garotas that we can find in clubs, termas, and so on?

layne, where did you see the one you had?
(OO)

By the way, i'm seeing a dramatic increase in SP prices on the ground here. americans and asians seem to be increasing in number exponentially at all the clubs (photo, vagao, bomboa, etc), driving prices up big time.

for example, for cafe photo, you'll find many hard-core vets charging 400R as the norm, 159R for entry, and of course anywhere from 50-200R for cab/love motel. that adds up to a minimum of 600R for a 1-2 hour session. the 19 year old blonde i took home has apparently received 1000s of reais from her asian clients, who want to take her out of brazil to service them back home.
she was also out the door within 50 minutes! i'm going to have to change my long-standing opinion on photo and give it a thumbs down.

for you tourists out there - the rio girls are without a doubt more friendly and willing to party for extended periods. SP's getting too expensive to live in!!

YMMV!!! Even though I fly in to SP/Rio about once every 8 weeks, I have yet to pay a garota over BR$300 for TLN.

But, also I have yet to step a foot into Photo. To me paying BR$159 for what 6 drinks, and the opportunity to take out a garota for around BR$600 is a waste of money. Even though I can afford it.

Also, since I usually stay at the SP Hilton. I make my rounds at all the clubs on Rua Nestor Pestana. In order of preference: Kilt, Vagao Plaza, Cocktail, and Skorpios. And if all else fails you got the Love Story disco as a last resort.

But Jarule, I understand where you are coming from. When you meet a nice one, be nice and be patient. There are many fishes in the sea/SP.

sf4dfish, who will be in SP either the weekend of Mar 7th or the 14th?

yeah, the kilt/vagao/cocktail/skorpios girls will go for much less (typically 200-250R), and depending on who they are, give you a bit more of the namorada service.

i actually have a very strict criteria for the program girls. they can't be over 20, can't have been on the program for more than a year, and must be very attractive. this usually knocks out 90% of program girls at most places i go to.

in any case, i'm back in cali but back to SP for extended stay late march. open to partying next time you're in town.

Jarule, I look forward to making the rounds with you one of these day's.

I also enjoy myself in Colombia. I know CTG the best. But have been to Cali and Bogota once before. Medellin is high on my list to see, as I have a thing for Paisas!

My criteria is not as strict as yours, but I see where your coming from. And it's great that we have differences and taste's. So, as not to step on a fellow mongers toes over a piece of "tail"!

Keep in touch, Mi Amigo!

sf4dfish

SF4,

i was toying with making a cartagena trip, and may do it one of these days. the only advantage of colombia (from what i have read) is that their non-pros are desperately eager for foreign boyfriends. unfortunately, once i went nuts on my portuguese, my spanish turned to shit.

what are your thoughts on colombia in general? would hate to be one of several americans who have been killed over there recently.

Jarule, just got back from Bog/Ctg. Crazy ME! flew in to Bog a day after the bombing. Went to Ctg the next day.

I would like to say just lie low! You, me and others could be in the wrong place! at the wrong time! But, I really love Colombianas. As others do!

Do plan to go back, soon!

Anyone in SP right now? I'm here for Carnaval because of bad scheduling, and will be here for the next few weeks before I have to travel back to the States again.

Jarule
I will be in SP March 11 through the 16. If you are still in town, we can hook up.

jarule and athos,

i will be in brasil march 7th -23rd, with a wide open itinerary. i wil be based in rio, but was planning to hit salvador and florinopolis. sp is also an option. would like to meet the two of you some day. let me know where you are staying in sp, as i do not know it at all. jarule....sta safe during carnival and enjoy. i will be staying in ipanema while in rio.

peace,

sonny p

Jarule,

Meet Athos, Youngtom, and I at Bomboa at 5:00 on the 11th.

My cell phone in Sao Paulo is: 9509-0682

Moondog

Moondog. Thanks for for SP number, but whyat do we do if we are to Palm Springs, or Boise, Iadaho? We all need your real number so that we will learn at the same rade you do.

CP

You will have to find the ladies in Palm Springs or Boise, write a report, and give out your phone number so that we can contact you for more information.

Moondog

I spent 5 days in SP, unfortunately that included a weekend. SP is a great place to monger but it's hit and miss. Sampa offers probably the highest number of CBJ percentage wise so if you come unprepared you will leave disappointed.
I love the escort scene. Many beautiful girls all in the 150 to 200R price range, 2 to 4 hours, not rushed in the comfort of your hotel or her apartment.
Bomboa offers same services as termas in Rio, so best whorehouse in Sampa. 200 to 250 girls work there but expect 80 girls in the lineup.
Connection had better lineup than Bomboa but located in eastern suburb, makes for interesting metro ride. Unoftunately way too many cbj, look for mulatta Larissa and you will not be disappointed, ass to die for, cute face, beijo negro, anal, what can I say? 200 girls work in older bulding but expect half to work on any given night. Interesting thing is girls are from all over the south and most live in premise, think of it as a poor man W, most are young and beautiful.
I liked Cafe Millenium but don't go till after 20:00, the manager demands that his customers leave premise satisfied so I'd be surprised to hear of any cbj there. Millenium competes with Bahamas, very young line up. You pay everything to the house so no negotiation required, it's night and day with Bahamas. I just cannot understand anyone venturing to Bahamas.
Miruna 644 was remodeling so big shit I had to miss it which literally kills me. Comes highly recommended so here it is between these 4 whorehouses, you gotta leave Sampa satisfied. You will find gems in higher quantity than Rio. Sampa is more expensive. If you think Rio is expensive, stick to Rio.
I do not recommend Bacos as way too far. For locals it's ok car ride.
For day time I highly recommend Clinica Antares, for 110R before 15:00 you can play with Renata or Monique, check their web site. I do not recommend FranceBel nor CelCenter unless you come with a cheat sheet, otherwise expect CBJ with pretty garota for 250R to 300R total. Alternativ is a good mp too, go for Larissa but lineup is sparse but conveniently located 2 blocks from metro stop.
I do not recommend Cafe Photo, attitude is bad, expect 10% of garotas with ok attitude. I talked at length with Eliane and she agreed with my assessment of Photo. Girls are beautiful but did I see a 10 no, did I a 9, yes, actually maybe a couple. Selection is solid in the 7 range. Better than Connection? maybe, maybe not.
I was a bit disappointed by W as I recognized more than 1/2 the selection. So low mileage yes, iniciante not really. Still guaranteed good time but at a high cost. Maybe for those needing the fantasy of a dinner date. I still like the place and would try it once per Sampa run. Beto is the manager. Actually 3 girls were even R$1000. I doubt they get laid once a month. Couple of magazine models available for R$2000, maybe 7, 8 in looks. One made cover of Carnaval month.
I did not like seedy Kilt/Vagao Plaza/Cocktail.
But I never made it to Love Story but it sounds like a cool place, as girls from all boates and many escorts converge to it at 3:00. I can only imagine as I am not a late night or early morning warrior. It's called "the office" by locals.
I highly recommend SP from mon to thurs. Luxurious hotels available at Motel 6 rates. Only downside is too much concrete and lots of taxy rides despite cool metro system.
More details in forthcoming trip report.

Athos,

Thanks for the info. Looking forward to your report.

Moondog

ATHOS

AS always you are a consistent source of right to the point and right on target info. I am very impressed with the progression you have made since I started this board.
Seems I should head to sampa during the week.
How well can you speak portuguese now?
How much can you understand on sexydicas?
I am interested to see how well my portuguese will be this trip. I have been studying for 4 months with a tutor 3 hours a week.
Also I will have finished pimsluer level 2 and I practice a little with brazilian friends at my gym. Btw, they have never heard of beijo negro but have taught me some things to tell the garotas like a local .
Looking forward to you report !!!!

Abandonado
How do they say rimming in portuguese?
Girls seemed to understand beijo negro.
My portuguese is ok to get a program, I finished level 3 easily but unfortunately my portuguese stayed stagnant on this trip. Still sometimes people ask me if i live in Brasil which is a good sign. But if i am in a long conversation, girls get frustrated as I barely understand anything.
SP is good to go mon through thu.

ATHOS
They didn't say ...but they had just never heard of it.
when my friends talk to each other I am lost..
here are some things they taught me:

I want to fuck you = eu quero te foder (comer)

do you want to get fucked really hard? =
Voce quer ser comida(fodida) bem gostoso

I like the way you fuck = eu gosto do jeito que voce fode.

play with your pussy = Brinca com sua buceta.

I am going to cum in your face = eu estou gozando na sua cara.

I can't wait to dirty talk these garotas in the termas.

What are my options for SP on a Sunday???

SF
Best is to have tel numbers handy and make reservation during the week.
Connection is open with prime time at 18:00, expect 20 girls to work.
Kilt is also open as well as Love Story on sun night.
Most escorts will not return phone calls.
Majority of mp's are also closed.

Sundays, and weekends are in general, are off nights for the program scene. I would spend weekends hitting regular clubs if I were you. Interesting but not very well known fact: there are A LOT of program girls who go to clubs in Moema and Vila Olimpia during the weekends (Fri, Sat, Sun). Of course, they are not really working, but anything in Brazil is possible.

Hey guys, how did you feel the non-pro action was in Sao Paolo?

I am probably going to be spending 1-2 months in Sao Paolo for work next year (either that, Rio, or Buenos Aires) ... unbelievably, I have a choice. The idea of the Japanese-Brasilian combo babes intrigues me.

On a side note (hate to be a throw a negative into the combo but I gotta ask), how badly has the AIDS epidemic hit Sao Paolo? I friend of my sister's had done some work in Sao Paolo about 5 years ago and told me that the epidemic has hit that town very hard.

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