Layne87
Different garota.
Well try to kiss Dayane in the bar if you are interested, could have been a bad night but she sure seemed money hungry with me. I'd love to see her in May and give her the thumbs down.
Hit the banos to get good looks at garotas.

Did you find Jessica at Barbarella, or just too much to keep busy?

After six trips to Rio, I have yet to go the Barbarella/Lido route (or agencies for that matter). Between the terma, beach/cafe, Help options, those have kept me well occupied.

What, may I ask are these ladies charging? Do they seem inclined to stay for the night? Are they indeed more attractive (or even better)more attentive than you might meet at say, Solarium??

Layne.. the town is Belo Horizonte ( Beautiful Horizon) one of the big city in Brazil
I think the girls there are as beautiful as ones in termas. I agree the light is so dark to check out the merchandise plus most of the girls are in street clothes so it seems to me a bit less glitzy than termas.
What i found so offensive is the cost of the drink there. One glass of Coke costs me almost 13.00$ back in 1999.
I met several ex-termas girls as well as few Help babes. All the garotas are freelancers and expected to be taken out for the rest of the night for a price I think is steepest in Rio.

Wilco-Yes this place is steep. I had one water and took her out. R100!!. She stated R300 for all night and flame me or not this is the best $120 I have ever spent in my life. I never hesitated. Every where else seems to be R200 for 2hours. There is one girl next door at help I have been working to get lower, but I am not good at this. I have not wanted any all nighters except from Poliana and the one help girl I have yet to get down on price.

rock3times- If this is true then I need to stay away from there if they are also this sweet. I would be married 5 times a year?!

canonperdido- No I never found Jessica. I never even had a chance to ask for her. This one swung by me within 15 minutes of me being there. I was hooked. I will go back this week and see if she is there. any questions for her?

No. Just curious.

Layne,
when I used the word "there" in the 2nd paragraph I meant " Barbarella" not Belo Horizonte. (: I have never been in Belo but I am sure the girls there are as beautiful as anywhere else in Brazil
I can't wait to retire and move to Rio beside Eve, Rio is the best creation that God has given to men
Viva Brazil

I agree completely.

Layne87,

I'm sure it was well worth the R$300 and I wouldn't give a crap what anyone thinks about how much i pay or don't pay. It has NO AFFECT WHATSOVER on the pricing and anyone who says it does really does not understand the game. It's all about YOUR negotiation skills.

I've had 3 offers of "condomless sex"so far. How bout you? (FWIW, I passed on all 3 and insisted on the "johnny cap""

Maybe we'll meet one of the days? I'm at MP's quite alot. In themorning usually...do you have long hair and glasses?

Nomalhombre- Thanks...this board seems to more mature than another one I belong to. They do not flame or opinionate badly here. Probably should have known this board understands the differences among people.

-yes I have been offered this condomless a bit too much in my opinion. Will include this in my tidbits when I file my report.

I have sat down a few times at MP. 6'4" blond 270 lb if you see me again. Sunglasses maybe.

Grabbed a taxi cab to Franks last night late. I never made it in. Poliana was too much of a pull on me so close to Franks. WOW Barbarellas was hopin'. OFF the Chart blond on the topless dance stage. NO FLAWS on this beauty. I was half way hoping my girl was already gone. I stared at her a few minutes and she was smiling. I forgot why yes I can have her huh. LOVE this place. I sat pretty close to stage and Poliana found me shortly after. She saw me looking at her. She also heard through her friends I have been bad at help. More on this one. Anyway, saw another off the chart brunette dance after the blonde. They were everywhere. Much better than Centaurus in my opinion. You could not do them all in a couple of weeks.

Thats why I love this forum, I have learned so much about Mexico and Thailand, so when I finally do go to these cities, I will be well prepared. God, I wish I had met someone like me before my first trip to Brasil, I could have saved myself so much hassle and headaches. Don't mean to start a arguement, but it DOES matter what other people pay. It can definately affect how much you have to negociate with the girl. I don't know about other countries, but I know how the game works in Rio.

Lets say a girl in town hooks up with a newbie or a sucker and he screws up and pays her 200US for a afternoon tryst. If she is lucky and gets a couple of suckers who pay this amount, she is going to be a terror to deal with. Why? Because she now believes her pussy is worth big money! SO here comes along "Thumper" who knows the deal and I offer her 100R to go to my room, she is immediately going to be offended becasue she thinks I am lowballing her. If she is in a bind she might take the money, but she is going to be bitter because she had to "lower herself" in order to make some cash. I have met countless girls who won't budge from 200-400US, you know why? Becasue some idiot payed her that much and she now thinks she is God's gift to men.

Countless times I have had conversations with girls in Help, MP, and the Termas who make the statement "100 dollars to Americans is nothing, but for me thats alot of money". They are all under the impression that we are rich and that 100 bucks is chump change! It takes me about 20 minutes to explain to the girl how much money we have to spend in Airplane tickets, hotels, food, drinks, taxis. It easily costs me about $1200 for a 5 day trip, and thats before I even touch a woman!! I don't fly for 10 hours to a third world country so i can turn around a spend first world pices. Thats why I can't understand guys who spend thousands to fly and stay in Argentina and then pay the girls $200 for one hour of sex.

The problem with paying alot of money on your first trip, is that it can be a pain when you become a Rio veteran and wise up. It will come back to bite you in the ass! Girls talk! If you pay one alot of money, guess what? Other females will find out and they will demand the same amount if they go with you. If she knows you paid her friend 200US last night, guess how much she is going to want?

Thumper- understand your point. You are missing something this newbie has noticed down here. We board members account for a very small percentage of hombres on the prowl. I see guys taking the $200 girl out almost every other night at help. The model blond is every night. She has not missed a night yet.

You stated my case for me also. I spent alot of money to get here. You think I am going to get a $20 street girl when I can grab a 10 GFE out of Barbarellas for $120 US all night or a 9 out of Help for $100 all night. After spending so much to get here, I am not going for the cheap seats. Sorry dude I will be your enemy every day over that one. I will NEVER hesitate on that offer. I am a 37 year old 6'4" 270 lb chubbie not so good looking country bumkin, so I can not negotiate a 10 for $R100.

My 2 centavos.

I am a Rio newbie but I am not a newbie to this game.

If a girl asks for more than I want to pay and we can not reach an amicable price. I simpley kiss them on the cheek and say thanks but no thanks. She~ll either leave (WHICH MEANS THE HIGHER ASKING PRICE DOES NOT AFFECT ME because I will not pay it.) or she will come down in price a little. If she comes down in price I then ^check her attitude with a few simple tests (I use these on all girls even terma girls). I ask for a kiss, if it is a deep´passionate kiss (the norm in Rio) then I know she is cool with me and the price. If I get a small kiss, I explain that it is important for me to have big kisses during sex and then ask for another kiss. The second kiss (if needed) will dtermine if I go with her. I also make it a habit to joke with the girl and at some point will put my finger on her lips as if to shush her and then if she sucks on it. We~re on. This process has worked for ME in 6 different countries. As always YMMV.

It~s obvious that some people believe that the actions of others will affect them. (and that~s cool). I don~t happen to believe that. (and that~s cool also (lol)

This place is great!

layne87- i applaud your point of view. having just come back from rio, and recieving more love from the garotas than i knew what to do with, i just couldnt find the energy to hardline these girls over a few bucks. every day of my life in the states is spent hagglin over $$$ whether its bizness, or anything else. when i am on vacation in an impoverished country such as brasil, that gives so much to its visitors, i cant see going the cheap charlie route. i understand that not everybody is in the same situation, but each man is free to do what he feels is right. some fellas may need to buck up a few extra bucks to have the experience of a lifetime, and are more than happy to do so. enjoy!!!!!

I got stuck in the back last time I was in Barbarella's. Is it okay to wander onto the dance floor with all the hotties? Or is there a better way to improve your lie/location. I may bribe the doorman next time I go in there.

I guess Normalhombre is correct, everyone is free to make their own decision on what they will spend. Whether you choose to pay top dollar or you choose to pay the going rate, it is up to the individual. I was only trying to give newbies a price scale to work with. I know I could have used one on my first trip (Before Redsnake and TSM) I payed the girls WAY too much money, stayed at a hotel that didn't allow guests and got taken (twice) for a $90 cab ride to the hotel. Nobody was more hopeless than me on first voyage, took me about 3 trips before I got hip to the game. So if my info can help keep somebody from getting screwed, than I am happy.

The only recommendation that I can make is to make sure you negotiate upfront!! God forbid you take one of these girls to your apartment who has gotten used to getting 200US/night from Joe Tourist and you decide to give her 150R in the morning. This isn't Thailand, these girls can get real nasty over money. I have read a number of Thailand posts of mongers who decide they will just give a girl a certain amount in the morning and if she doesn't like it, too bad. This won't go over too well in Rio

YT
Yes hombres are welcome to join the dance floor, maybe I need to learn dancing steps besides Portuguese.
My experience is garotas are aggressive to find a hook, they will walk around club or stand in the walking alley besides the regular dancing.

Aahhh, the eternal debate. I lean more to Thumpers way of thinking on this issue. Admittedly, I dont care to bargain hard (I think it can sometimes affect the session), but neither do I care to be taken to the cleaners. IMHO, anything over R$200 (maybeR$250 for one of the Barbarella garotas) is just too much. Not criticizing those who pay more, just not willing to do so myself.

Do the big spenders effect the 'going rate'? Undoubtedly they do, but as someone else pointed out. There will always be those who accept a Help girls first offer (usually very high to see if she's got a newbie)and there's no amount of debate or enlightnment here that will ever change that. When I find myself interested in a garota, I try to make the first offer (typically a little more than the going rate)in hopes of avoiding the bargaining and to show I'm familiar with the going rate. If they say no, I just move on and often they catch up with me later.

I never go to Help for the express reason of picking up a garota (thank God for termas), so if I don't find what I want, No big deal.

Good discussion. I hate to bargain but also want to pay a fair price. I too try to find out what the going rate is & then offer that price as my initial and final offer. And the going rate differs somewhat depending on a number of factors (how pretty the girl is, where are you?, etc). Girls in Barbarella are going to want more than the girls in VM. One of the main reasons that I love the termas is that everyone knows the prices - take it or leave it.

There is another thread called - Garota prices. Add you thoughts on what you think is a fair price.

Here is my line to Help and Lido garotas on my next trip:
"Eu tenho 200 Reais, Bem?"
Best way for me to set the price as I am not very good at negotiating.
Like YT says, thank goodness for Termas.
And I agree with Wilco, never go to Help or Barb with having to pick a garota, this is the day last stand.

Was wondering, if the majority of girls don`t speak any english and i don`t speak port. how wil we be able to negotiate and understand what each other expects? If i ask for a allnighter how will i know if she understands? Will that be a problem? Also when visiting barbarella`s do the waiteress or doorman speak english? Will there be a problem understanding what the cover charge will be, if drinks are included, if there will be drink minumums, how much for bar fines etc. I don`t want to have a problem understanding what i have to pay and whats included.

FA1
The doormen or at least managers speak some English.
Most garotas do not speak English like 90%.
Most garotas do not speak Spanish like 80%.
Some garotas do understand Spanish maybe in the 50%.
2 drinks is 40R, bar fine is 40R without a garota drink. If garota has a drink I think but i am not sure 50R is the bar fine.
Don't forget to tip doormen who open the taxi door for you (1R) when you leave not when you arrive.
Tip is required too when waiter brings the check but 1R is enough as well.
Using hands work if everything fails, or so I thought with working ladies.

While the discussion on Barberella is spirited, am the only one who thinks that this place is getting a bit too much as in overtly agressive ??
My next trip I plan to just bag this from my list.

Yes this place is way high. Maybe why they have the most talent. You can not get out of there with a girl for under R100. So with girl you are looking at the highest here in Rio. This is hombre's choice. Are you going for the 10 GFE all nighter down here or the quick 10 fuck from the Termas. It is just that simple. And yes Help is the nightcap of all clubs. Great if you score, if not then all is still good.

I personally like my GF from Barbarellas but YMMV. She has skipped there 2 nights to avoid the R100 Fee.

i must say that barbarellas was the one disappointment in rio. place seemed nice enough, but was so poorly lit that i could not see the women for real. then the 1st quote was for 400reais for the night. me and my friend simply drained our cocktails, got up and left. did not notice the talent to be at a different level than say centaurus, or solarium, which we had no problem pulling garotas out of, for private parties at our apt. of course at much less $$$

Visited Barbarella Thursday night around 12:30. Dark and packed, R$50 for entry and a drink! Aggressive vibe with tourists sitting at small tables and girls hovering and ogling both ways. Funny how we react so differently to a place. I wouldn't set foot there again and only saw a couple of interesting looking girls, one a morena dancing solo with nipples pointing to the moon.
Afterwards went to Help and rocked until 5am. The personality and looks of the girls much better to my liking, and I must have picked up a half dozen numbers. Couldn't close the deal that night as I had a GF waiting back in the hotel bed.
I would rate the difference between the two places as this: At Barb it's a straight hook-up with seasoned pros. The fun and spontaneity is totally absent, this is business. At Help there are so many girls that you can find a broader variety of experience. Previously during the week in Sao Paulo I had a similar evening at Kilt. Met several cuties that engaged at several levels. Very GFElike, warm and friendly, no pressure.
Like I said, we all have our own preferences.

Yes your YMMV on this place as well as others. GF explained to me this week I got lucky in finding her as other girls will pull a hit and run on their hombres promising more than they give. Prices are high for damn sure right now. R400 is avg she told me. Not many under R300. If they are not tired after they do you they want to return for more money, so fellas were em out when you get them back to your room. Not many americanos buying in there she told me also. We bargain too much. I was only the second american she had played with in her 2 months there.

One note on this place at 1am there were some solid 8's outside looking for work.

So Layne, if not Amercanos, who? Itallians or Germans? Surely not the locals???

A lot of German, Italian and Japanese outbid the American
Beware the competition

Those BASTARDS!!! LOL

Does anyone know if there is a dress code for the club? Will shorts and a t-shirt or polo with sneakers be ok? How about the other clubs in the lido area? Thanks for any info anyone can give.

I asked the same question before my trip.

Shorts will not do at all...Do your self a favor and dress nicely...this is the highest class club(IMHO) you will visit in Rio. Some of these women are true 10's...I dressed up a bit with dress slacks, shirt and shoes... and scored big time. Price did not go up because of my dress either.see my report.

The lookers are going to ask R300-400.

My opinion here.

Is picture taking allowed in the club? Should be there around 11:30 monday night, this place will be my first stop but don`t know if i will pull the trigger on anyone, depending how i feel after long flight may just be to tired and go home alone but the garotas might just light a fire under me and will have to bring one home.

Fooledagain1
If your plave arrives midday, just head to a terma in the afternoon to get rid of jetlag. I would not waste my first night if I were you. Being tired does not mean you can't do a couple of garotas.

Athos-- I want my first experience in Rio to be a good one and don`t know if thats possible after spending the night on a plane. The way i feel now is i won`t be in the mood for much except sleep. But of coarse that`s all subject to change once i get there and see these garotas up close and personal. Also to pick up someone at Barbarellas i won`t have 100 percent concentration level and could be taken advantage of. I`m staying for 24 days so a day or two feeling the place out shouldn`t hurt to bad and will also give me a chance to find the clubs and garotas thati like. Well, 7 hours till blastoff.

Fooledagain - I'd skip Barbarellas on 1st day; you'll be out of gas by midnight. Your plan of going to Solarium (or any other termas) in the afternoon on your 1st day is a great one. By the time that you leave Solarium, you'll truly be in the vacation spirit. 24 days - that is great; enjoy. Spend alot of time in the termas; you'll love it. The termas girls have a better attitude than many of the other women that you'll meet. I look forward to reading about your visit.

Made it top Rio, what a first week. First night ate at cafe in front of Help, wanted to check out the babes then head to barrbarella's. BUT when i saw the babes in those outfits noway i was leabving this place. Met a fellow americano and when in with him, he showed me the ropes. What a frickín club, really impressed with what i saw, could not believe my eyes. Have been back to help every night since, but time to move on to other adventures. Going to Barberellas tonight or Franks, will take a look first. Will post about help on help thread.

Went to Barbarrellas on monday and tuesday, don´t see any difference between these girls and the ones at Help. Just don´t see it, to me equal. I wiil check it out 2 more times, it could be the night i went. Overall i like the atmosphere better at help. But i did take out a beatiful blonde each night. There are maybe 2or3 blondes and acouple of brunettes you wón´t find at help but other than that every thing is equal. Both blondes where great, the first one gave me uncovered blowjob and we did it in every position, good time. The 2cd one covered blowjob and we did it in every position and every room in the apartment. Half way through she made suck one nipple and play with the other nipple and finger her pussy, she would put my fingers right where she wanted them,that was hard to cordinate those 3 activities at once, if one hand would stop she would grab it and start moving the fingers the way she wanted,this went on for at least 30 minutes, the whole time she is moaning and saying gostos, oh what a night.

Forgot to add, 50R, entry includes 2 drinks and 50 R bar fine to take out the Garotas. Payed Garotas 100US EACH FOR 2 hours. these Garotas did negotiate, they started at 200US and quickly came down to 100US but said for 100US they would have to get back to the club within 2 hours or so but both took their time didn´t rush things but were ready to go once things were over.

Forgot to add, 50R, entry includes 2 drinks and 50 R bar fine to take out the Garotas. Payed Garotas 100US EACH FOR 2 hours. these Garotas did negotiate, they started at 200US and quickly came down to 100US but said for 100US they would have to get back to the club within 2 hours or so but both took their time didn´t rush things but were ready to go once things were over.

Some of them may have already went back home like Pauliana did. This place was way better in the looks department then Help in late January.

Too bad as I was really looking forward to Barbarellas in a few weeks.

When you get there can also be a big factor - pickings usually are best relatively early (11-11:30pm). After that, sometimes the best ones get chosen and are gone for the night.

Very true. The first time I arrived at 1230 she was the best looking one there. However the second time I got there before 11 and howly cow much better selection. I wonder though like fooledagain experienced they come back for hombre #2....?? If you do not like seconds better chose before they return from Hombre #1 around 2am.

My theory is that the best ones don't return later that night. This theory assumes that when a man sees the most beautiful woman that he has ever seen in his life and she says it will cost x to get me to come home with you & she won't budge off that price then man caves so she stays all night. Now the ones that aren't so great looking, they can't ask an outrageous price & get it so they come in and out all night long.

Back to Barbarela´s on wensday and friday, was arriving between 11:30 and 12:30, there was more talent there this time. Almost fell out of my chair when a couple of girls hit the nude stage. Wensday went home alone needed to recharge and rest for a termas the next day. Friday hooked up with one one the garotas i seen on the nude stage, incredible body, beautiful skin, nice tight firm body, couldn´t not believe her opening price of 200R, had to ask a 2cd time then jumped on it instantly, bbbj, did it in every position and she was definitly into it, after i was done my cock wouldn´t go down, she says, you take viagra, i said no honey you keep rubbing that body on me and that´s far more powerful than any viagra could ever be. I don´t think she understood but i had a good laugh. These girls don´t want to hang out at the beach or go to dinner at all, some wouldn´t even give me their phone numbers, and as soon as sex is over they are out the door. But our time together was very much GFE, but when your done they are gone.

I still don´t see much difference between Barbarela´s and Help, there are some stunners, but there are stunners at Help, was at Help last night (sunday) incredible line up. Overall better than what i saw at Barbarela´s, no doubt, hands down it was better. Now, i have been to Help many more times than Barbarela´s, and i understand that on any given day the faces change and somtimes it is the luck of the draw of being in the right place at the right time but so far i don´t think Barbarela is worth it. I will try it at least once more, will arrive at 11pm. I did talk to one garota, Patrica, she says she has a tourist visa for the US and loves to travel and is willing to travel to US to hook up for good times. Don´t know if that is a legitamite offer or just a way to hook a tourist, any one have any thoughts.

Another man's junk is my treasure chest I suppose...No one out of Help offered the GFE/looks found in Barbarellas. Must be why they invented that word YMMV.

Is Help crowded with guys Fooledagain1?

FooledAgain1
When I was there last Nov, Help selection was dominated by mulatas while Barbarella was dominated by white garotas.

Lanye- Yes , alot more guys than i would have expected. About 1 to 1 ratio, but alot of guys just standing around, some 8´s and 9´s standing by themselves for a good part of the night. Athos- Yes many mulatas and morenos with some white garotas, but some incredible morenos, some of the most beautiful women i have seen in Rio are the morenos of Help and normally i favor blondes.