Play, even average looking player's can score with non-pro's. The city is huge, population and infrastructure wise. You can see and run into pretty girls everywhere.

You can do really well if you are under forty, caucasian, dress casual/nice, speak some Port. Being a foreigner help's.

If I could be there like you? My preference would be in this order: SP, BA, and Rio third.

Rio is harder to score non-pro's, IMO!

Regarding HIV, just be careful as every else. sf4dfish

Sf4dfish, thank you - as always - with your advice. I think that I'll do my first month on the job in Sao Paolo then ... and I better starting working on my Pimsleur mp3's!

If all goes well, I'll either do a second month in Sao Paolo, or - if not - go for Buenos Aires.

As for my 'qualities,' I don't know where I rate, but I'm almost 30 and am Asian-American. When I head out there, I'll definitely scope the monger scene, but, considering how long I'll be out there, it might be nice to kindle some real with the garotas/chicas in the neighborhood. It's a long way away, but I'm looking forward to it. Moreover, it would be cool to meet some of the fellas if I head out there.

In my opinion, with limited Portuguese skills, you will be strictly limited to picking up English speaking non-pro garotas. If you are considered nice looking and can pick up decently in the U.S., you will have no problems picking up these girls in SP. My friend who is Asian-American like you, 6'2" 28 years old was a big hit. The mixed japa girls particuarly went nuts for him.

Forget about picking up the majority of garotas who do not speak English with limited Portuguese skills. You may luck onto some Maria Passaportes to bed, but not likely.

Pros are plentiful. No problems there, and they will like your Japa face. Reputation as big spenders.

There is an Asian invasion in SP (Koreans, Chinese, Japanese, etc). Most will think you belong to one of these immigrant groups. Good if they think you are japa; bad if they think you pertain to one of the other groups - as they are looked down upon by Paulistas for not having yet assimilated and learned the language...and for occupying the position of store keepers and street vendors.

Hope that helps.

Oh, and if you are planning on enjoying a heavy binge of pros, always check for STDs and use protective measures. I have spotted STDs on girls at both W and Photo.

When you say you "spotted" STD's, can you be more specific? Are we talking open sores, odor, etc?

Blister on one. Red zits on another.

I'm not a doctor, but unless mosquitos launched an attack in their genital area, that's what I'm assuming it was.

I certainly wasn't about to take a chance. Paid but did not partake.

How often do the termas have a Doctor come in to check the girls? I know Photo isn't a terma, but I thought it was pretty regular for them. It isn't exactly good for business to have word get around that some of their girls have "problems".

No health checks at Foto. W will check only the girls who live in the house, not the freelancers.

Even with exams, it's almost impossible to tell who has STDs. For example, herpes appears only during outbreaks, even though it can still be contagious when blisters are not present. Warts, herpes, etc can also be in mouth, inside vagina, etc.

You just never know for sure, so best to take precautions and hope you're lucky. Besides, if you're a monger and you get herpes, would you go around telling people you got herpes simplex A and B from a whore at X boate? There's still a lot of shame associated with these diseases.

(Message edited by bomboa on September 17, 2003)

By the way, I don't mean to cause a downer and disrupt the "it's all good, just fuck the girls and have a good time" attitude that prevades, but just be careful.

I was shocked when I saw what I saw on W and Foto girls, who you would normally consider high class, low mileage semi-pros. Yet I haven't seen anything suspicious at the Rio termas, although admittedly, I'm not a regular there.

No, it's good advice, but as with all diseases in life, it has more to do with luck than anything. Many of these young women don't have a clue as to how high of a risk they are putting themselves in, and therefore us.

This next comment probably belongs in a STD thread but I wanted to say it here for continuity.

I realize this is a Sao Paulo discussion, but I think the Rio termas are a little more diligent about their "employees". Somebody told me they have a Dr. come in once a week, maybe more. I had a girl that worked in one actually tell me that another girl had a "problem". I asked how she knew and she just said "Doctor", so the exam must have occurred there. I can't believe the "problem" was serious though because she was still working.

As for word getting around about a place, with the general anonymous nature of this website, I think it is possible to hurt business at a place so it is in their best interest to keep it clean so to speak. If someone was ashamed of telling it, they could just get on here with a second screen name and stir up some trouble for the place. Hmmmmmm.... sounds familiar.

Terma girls get their blood drawn at least once a week, terma 65 garotas told me twice a week on mon and fri. But i don't know for which tests.
For boates and free lancers like Barbarella and Help, my best guess is never. For boates like Bomboa, my best guess is they must have doctor in house. Free lancers means girls can work their own schedule. Boates like Bomboa is like a terma, girl has to work a min number of days or she has to pay for missing time.

So what happens if your at the termas and you enter the cabin with the girl and as you spread them you notice something and you pass. Do you still get charged for the hour you requested or can management reset your credit with another?

CN

Sao Paolo report

My plane landed at the International airport early in the morning. Customs was a breeze, my bags were on the conveyor belt within minutes, and I had secured a taxi ticket from a dispatcher, and was on my way through morning rush hour into Sao Paolo. Although I arrived at the hotel at 7:20 am, the Hilton Centro had
no problem giving me a room, and I crashed immediately.

By mid-afternoon, I had finished my sleep and had explored the neighboorhood. Right next to the hotel was a small cafe that offered a steak lunch that was fabulous, and so after my meal, I was ready for some easy mongering. Since the nearest metro stop was only a couple of blocks from the hotel, I decided to invest some reais in a round trip metro ticket, and was off to Clinica Antares for a massage. The clinica is located in a house about 3 blocks from the Praca do Arvore metro stop, a quick walk. Once inside the clinica, the receptionista offered me their daily menu, a book containing the photos of the girls working at the MP. The girls not available that day were marked - note that I was the only customer, so I had my choice of the available girls. Unfortunately, the famous Renata was off duty, so I chose the youngest, bustiest girl that I could find, this being Julia. I was brought up to a masssage room, and told that Julia would be there shortly, which turned about to be about 20 minutes. Julia looked a lot better than her photos in person (http://intl.clinicaantares.com.br/massagistas.htm), and things only got better when she stripped. The only defect I noticed was the very beginning of some cellulitis, but her breasts were world class, solid and natural.

After I took a shower, Julia pulled the massage pad off the massage table, and had me lie down on the pad (on the floor). A brief massage was followed by some rather enthusiastic sex, Julia had a very good work ethic. This was the point where some self control had a significant payoff, in a situation like that you can simply let go and finish quickly, or hold back for the whole ride, which I did. While Julia was trying to get me off, either via CBJ or various sex positions, I was exploring her body for all it was worth. This young lady had curves on her curves, but I held on until time was almost up.

Julia jumped into the shower a few minutes later, and I dressed to leave. When I peeked into the shower to tell her I was leaving, she asked me to hold on until she was done, apparently either she was required to stay with the client for the full time, (I had already given her a 10 reais tip), or she wanted to make sure that I didn't run off with any of her few possessions.

At any rate, when I descended to the reception area, I paid my 130 reais ($42) bill via credit card, and was off into the evening.

By the time I returned to the hotel, I was ready for something more, so I detoured into the streets behind the Hilton, where there was a small block full of bars. On one street corner, some girls were selling alchoholic drinks as if it were lemonade. I randomly picked a bar called "My Love", and had a seat at a small table. In front of me were about 10 girls dancing in the middle of the bars in various states of undress, most fairly zombie like (I would be a zombie, too, if I had to dance for hours on end). The bar's business model was to sell drinks to customers, and also to have the customers buy chica drinks, and collect a bar fine when
garotas left with a customer. There were lots of hard sells, either for chica drinks or to leave the bar, since anything was better for the garotas than dancing for hours. I, on the other hand, didn't really see any chicas that I was interested in taking to the hotel, but I was happy to buy chica drinks to work on my Portuguese, which was rather shaky at the time. After about 4 or 5 drinks, I staggered back to the Hilton, to catch some sleep before my flight to Brasilia in the morning.

How would you travel from the domestic airport to the Hilton?
Cab or charter bus?

CN

From Congonhas? May as well take a cab, it's relatively close and saves you all the hassle of finding a bus that takes you near the Hilton.

BS

dang..Julia has got a beautiful face explorer....proto typical of what I have only briefly found there...they may not have the hardest of bods but they have got the faces rio usually cant touch..thanks for report on her...

Ceenotes,

As this might be silly comment, there are two Hiltons in S.P. Original one is in Centro where new one is in near Shopping Morumbi. New Hilton is named Hilton Sao Paulo Morumbi and its address is in Novo Brooklin. It stands right by World Trade Center.

I statyed Hilton Morumbi last trip (July) and liked it. If you need, I can post a bit more here about the hotel. Please let me know.

off2golf...can you tell me what activities for play are near the one in Morumbi..cost..quality..chica friendly and all that?
I have been staying at the bluetree paulista which is 160-190 R for a pretty nice small room..american standard quality..maybe 4 star place..

Explorer-Nice report and Julia was a beauty. Nice find.

Layne87,

Only place I know in Morumbi area is AdvanceVIP massage place, which is fairly good. You may check www.advancevip.com.br which has fair level of details - pricing, pictures of garotas, contact number and map.

You may go and hang out in Shopping Morumbi which is fairly large size shopping mall. If nothing happens, at least you can enjoy the views. If you apporach girls with any kind of BS execuses and they can converse with you in English, I think it is fair game. I had one success previously.

As far as the Hilton hotel goes, room rate runs at around R500.00 a night and I have had no problem with my girls (only one at a time though). Brand new hotel (about 1 year old) and not well very known yet to business travellers so it is still quiet which I like it.

If you can talk them into upgrade to executive floor (24-27 floors), the executive floor at 24th floor has fabulous view of SP, very relaxing sofa's, big TV's, two high-speed internet computers and serve great, elegant and full spread breakfast, you can stop by any time for drinks and also serve free drinks (soft, beer, wine and variety of hard stuff) along with finger food during happy hours. And, they treat you like a king.

The Hilton Morumbi has special weekend rates of 399 Reais a night, which includes a dinner and breakfast for two. The dinner at the chic Canvas restaurant includes everything but the beverages. Meaning you can order appetizers, main course, and desert. personal note: they have some real cuties who work at the restaurant when I was there.

Shopping Morumbi is a parade show of pretty girls/women strolling around. You can spend the whole day there drolling! I did!

I personally like Shopping Higienopolis, but that's because I picked up a girl who works at the book store there and bedded her for a while.

The past Brazilian President lives right nearby, so it is a very safe and rich area. In other words, forget the customers, focus on the store girls if you have some game.

SF

Don't you think Canvas restaurant has unique deco? I like the place - food, deco and yes a couple of cuties. During my last stay, I developed very good rapport with the girls working at the Executive Lounge. I called one of them a couple of weeks ago to test water whether she would go out dinner and some fun with me on my next trip. She said she would love to. She is not as cute as the ones in the restaurant, but still decent. I'm looking forward to non-pro session!

Another decent place to take a girl for nice evening is Figueira located at Haddock Lobo 1738. I personally think their food is kind of mediocore but atmosphere is great, especially dining outside under the greatly large tree. Food is fairly pricy in SP standards.

Bomboa,

Where is Shopping Higienopolis? My driver took me to a shopping mall sometime last year and I think it was Shoppig Higienopolis. He no longer drives me so I can't go back to the place. If I remember correctly, it appeared relatively new mall and had very nice stores which attract great looking garotas.

It's about 5-10 minutes from the Jardins, very woodsy area for Sao Paulo. Clean, luxurious, and definitely top-notch female talent.

Speaking of Rua Haddock Lobo, I took a date to Arabia, an Arab restaurant located there, and thought it was great.

What mall is next to or in Jardim Europa. I think it's called Ibirapuera, with 3-4 levels of shopping and parking.
I think the best looking garota was the sales girl at Diesel jeans. Look so hot, I almost bought a pair of jeans for $R750.00.

Luckily the blood rushed back into my brain and I can buy the jeans in the states, much cheaper.

This Morumbi mall, how far is it from the Jardins?


CN

Has anyone used the services of :
"Bad Brazilians" (www.badbrazilians.com)?
I am going to Rio/SaoPaulo in November and am considering their services. It looks like they want cash only in advance, which has raised my antenna up.

Also, anyone else going to Rio/Sao Paulo in mid November and want to hook up for "safety in numbers", let me know.

I think I saw the guy in charge of it advertising his services on UMV.

The site itself looks kind of shady if you ask me. No name, no phone number, just an email address.

I highly doubt he is going to take you to anyplace not already covered by this board.

Better to hook up with an SP vet if you ask me. But it's up to you.

Thanks Bomboa for your input. I agree, it looks shady to me also, and unless anyone has positive feedback, I'm not going to use them.

Off2, all the employees of the Hilton Morumbi are nice.

Which EF employee did you connect with? The Japanese one, or the Filipina? Or just another one?

Remember, should you score a home run? It would be probably have to be done at another "park", other than the Hilton! She would want to be discrete!

SF,

I guess she can be classified as boderline loira and morena, very light tan skin. She is about 5'5" and very fit, which I like, and has beautifual and deep eyes, somewhat timid or shy everytime I talked to her.

Yes, I'll take her to different park for mutual exploration. Since I'm talking about her, I may call her tomorrow if the offer still stands.

I wonder the SP experts can post nightclubs, massage parlors, and anything in between that open on Sundays.

I could comb the site for the information but your assistance would make my life much easier. Thanks.

I'll be in SP in less than two weeks and landing on Saturday. My SP girl will be happy to see me and stay with me but it is always to good to have a plan B.

The Kilt is the only club that I know that is open on Sunday, and maybe Connection, and a few massage places. But that is it.

Also many of the cheapie MP's on Rua Agusta are open, if you are in the "hood"!

Always a gem or two can be found:-)

Stick to Kilt!

Found walking down the streets of the "hood."

Enjoy the life,

Moondog

In response to the "shady site comment" LOL the site has now changed to the address http://www.thebadbrazilian.com and there is more elborate contact information and such on the site.

I normally provide bilingual guide and protection services to traveling business exec. and the whole providing an alternate site to "hobbyists" was a bit new a first but is developing nicely.

Thomas I would ask that you reread the website as it Never asked for cash upfront with the exception for hotel reservations IF a discount was desired and please note hotel reservations have no mark up the deposit is just a means of ensuring the room stays avalible. A discount for all services offered is avalible for a 50% deposit but by no means is it mandatory.

As for Bomboa´s "Better to hook up with a SP vet if you ask me" remark, I think that i am probably one of the best "Vets" you can ask for down here, I have lived and worked in São Paulo for the past 7 years starting with my tour as a U.S. Consulate Marine Security Guard and am affiliated with the U.S. Consulate to this day as well as registered with the Federal Police, in another life ;-) I also provide Commercial representation services and actually work with "hobbyists" as a side "hobby" and to expand the knowledge currently avalible about SP.

As everyone can see there is an unfortunate tendency for Mongers / Travelers to focus on a limited amount of clubs here in Sampa inspite of the tremendous selection out there.

My service is honest above board and TAILORED TOWARDS NONE PORTUGUESE SPEAKERS AND FIRST TIME SAMPA VISITORS if you can speak a bit of the lingo and know your way around i would still be more than happy to sit down over a beer and share knowledge.

Feel free to email me or call me directly with any doubts or concerns. +55 (11) 8181-9428

Sundays you may find Triple A, Royal, Kilt, Bahamas 1600-0100, and Romanza open.

Regards
BB

Where, What, and How is Triple A and Royal?

Royal is located diretly across the street from Kilt and is run by Carmona and a french fellas who doesn´t speak much. They accept darker skinned girls and have decent pricing. No website as of yet. Minimum consumption runs R$35 and beers are R$15 per, the girls are avalible for an average of R$200 2 hours or R$250-300 for the whole night.

Triple A is NOT TO BE MISSEd, the owner is a M.D. and trains all of his girls in Oriental massage techniques before letting them work. The girls are normally 8-9 quality and run R$180 for the basic massage service plus R$100 "tip" for the rest. Its located in an old mansion near Park Ibirapuera and about 1 mile from kilt.
website address is:

http://www.girldelivery.com.br

They also have an incall service and run two other "massage parlours" this beiung the most high end of the three.

Thanks for your response BB concerning your services. I was unaware of the UMV website. I have looked it over and have found many positive feedbacks concerning your services.

Please understand that the biggest benefit of this board, and UMV, is to check up on specific providers and services, and to ascertain their honesty and validity. Being no posts for your services are on this board that I know of, I felt it proper to ask for information. Obviously, I did have a concern after reading your web information for whatever reason.

I will be in Sao Paulo on the 17th through the 19th of November, and I plan on using your services while there. I will be more than happy to post on this forum my experience with your organization when I get back so that other members will have the knowledge necessary to utilize your services with confidence.

Sunday Night Question!

I'm looking for a specific post... someone had mentioned three potential places (bars? discos? others?) for meeting nonpro's in SP on a Sunday afternoon/night. Damn, I've skimmed through everything over and over, and tried various searches, but I can't find this. I'd swear it was something with "Villa" or "Olympia" in it... but...

Can anyone provide any info, or know of the post?

I'm specifically interested in nonpro opportunities on a Sunday (Dec/21) because I understand that the pro opportunities are not so great Sundays.

FL,

O'Malley's Irish Pub is open on Sunday. There are many non-pros there as well as a sprinkling of pros.

All Blacks is another Irish Pub, but I am not sure if it is open on Sunday. I would think that it is.

For all pros, the Kilt is open on Sunday.

Moondog

Moondog, thanks for the info... what are the optimal hours for O'Malley's - afternoon, evening, or late night?

The post I'm looking for, I'd swear, had some disco (not pub) suggestion... something in a Villa-something neighborhood or the place is called Villa- or Olympia or something like that, I think I remember...

But thanks for the info on the pub.

Also, I've read that Kilt is open about 9p-3a - true on Sundays? What's the best time for being there? Would a late Kilt with a plan to go to Love Story at 3-4a if I'm still alone be the best program for a Sunday night?

Thanks!

FL,

O'Malley's has always been packed after 10 p.m.

I am not sure if Love story is open on Sunday Night/Monday morning. You will find something at the Kilt on Sunday night, it is usualy a good selection.

Moondog

Love Story is open every morning, they also have a web site. SP is known to be poor hobbywise fri, sat and sun.

Thanks.

I finally got to hit this place...I really liked the atmosphere but the talent level was only so-so...attitudes were pretty good....a bunch of middle tier ladies for R100-R150 it seemed when I asked and I look as about american as they come..so decent prices...If you like the hip hop music style their system was great...R50 entry fee with 2 drinks...

overall I liked it better than inside help and I assume the talent does come and go from here...probably 1/5th the size of help...

Layne, what else did you "hit" in SP:-)

Personally, it's my favorite city in all of Brasil! sf4dfish

I got to hit bomboa, millenium and love story..sent back an escort also....kilt was not open early enough for me so I shot over to bomboa...stayed at your hotel though..nice place..a little high at $95 but darn close to love story..had some weird plane reservations so I checked in at the hotel at 2am and had until 9pm to play ....

Layne my MAN, like I posted in a previous thread, call them direct and ask them for the rate in Reais. Local discounted price.

For that amount did you get up-graded to the Executive Floor?

Their direct number is (011) 3156-4300

Sorry my friend, next time let me know your possible arrival dates, and I will hook you up. Even for only one night. sf4dfish

yeah it was at least on the exec floors...what should a normal night be..also I was bumped off a flight at 12 midnight and it was your post that I remember love story next door..yeah good idea...so thanks for that post...